Why not Minkah at #1
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Marino was the #27 pick in the draft. 5 others were taken before him...but he can arguably be considered the best of that group...though you do have Elway and Kelly in there.
Do you think there is a #27 Marino that could go this year? It is certainly possible.
Do you think that as many as 5-6 will go in round one? That has only happened twice in the common draft era...as many as 5 QBs taken. 1983 and 1999.
1983 produced 3 HOFers, one very good one (O/Brien), one mediocre (Eason)..and one bust (Blackledge). 1999 produced one borderline HOF in McNabb. One pretty good one in Culpepper. Another fairly good one imo...whose career was cut short by injury: Couch, and two complete busts: Akili and McCown.
Marino was in the 1983 best ever QB draft hard to make the top 10 there! PLUS the drug rumours (some said planted) dropped Marino but Don Shula didn't buy it.
Marino was in the 1983 best ever QB draft hard to make the top 10 there! PLUS the drug rumours (some said planted) dropped Marino but Don Shula didn't buy it.
thing is times have changed since then so many sports channels national sports radio (cough cough) the internet a lot of info out there some true some not but it usually gets figured out on message boards like these
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I'll start to count draft-related threads from now on and enjoy the artillery sound.
I am going to do some pop corn. Wanna some?
99 bottles of beer on the wall, 99 bottles of beer. Take one down and pass it around
98 bottles of beer on the wall. 98 bottles of beer on the wall, 98 bottles of beer. Take one down and pass it around,
97 bottles of beer on the wall.97 bottles of beer on the wall, 97 bottles of beer. Take one down and pass it around, 96 bottles of beer on the wall.........v
Yeah the Indians will be playing before long.
oh hell yes popcorn and beer and drunken bantering gotta love it
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Lets not even talk about 2019. Hell, my theory is that it may certainly be possible that you could get your best QB coming out of this draft somewhere down the line....2d 3rd round. You know...like a Russell Wilson. I don't predict it....just saying it is possible.
I'm not going to research it, but I'd say that from current NFL QBs, how many were taken in first round? And how many you'd say they are good. A Russell Wilson appears once in 5-10 years. A Brady in the 6th once in a lifetime.
I'm not going to research it, but I'd say that from current NFL QBs, how many were taken in first round? And how many you'd say they are good. A Russell Wilson appears once in 5-10 years. A Brady in the 6th once in a lifetime.
Not sure what you are asking? Are you asking where, of the starting QBs on the 32 teams this past year, did they get drafted?
I know at least about half of them were 1st rounders. Just off the top of my head:
Goff #1 overall
Rivers #4
Palmer #1...now retired
Watson #10
Alex Smith #1
Rodgers (injured like #24..not sure about Hundley)
Trubisky #2
Stafford #1
Mariota #2
Ryan #3
Newton #1
Bortles #3
Cutler mid 1st...like #11
Winston #1
Flaco...like #18 I think
Ben R. #11
Wentz #2
Eli #1
Luck #1 injured
Others:
Wilson 3rd round
Carr 2d round
Garrapolo 2d
Prescott 4th round
Keenum: UDFA
Brees 2d (#32...which was 2d at the time)
Brissett...not sure...mid rounder
Kizer 2d
Dalton 2d
Cousins 4th
Taylor...not sure mid rounder?
Brady 6th
And if you can tell me who the Jets and Broncos started...I guess I may be able to tell what round they came in. Siemian was like 7th round. Bryce Petty was 3rd. Osweiler was 2d or 3rd.
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every mock draft has rosen and Donald going #1 and #2 only walters has barkley going #1 which they say it could be Donald
we have to go QB drafting a db is not going to win games
every mock draft has rosen and Donald going #1 and #2 only walters has barkley going #1 which they say it could be Donald
we have to go QB drafting a db is not going to win games
Again....Mocks are projections about what they think a team WILL do....they are NOT a ranking of the actual best talent. I would expect that just about everyone would expect the Browns to take a QB at #1.
But I am asking: should they? As....are any of these guys really worthy of the #1 pick? Most RANKINGS of talent say no....most mocks say that is what will happen.
As to your last statement....we ALL should know that a QB WILL lose you a lot of games (or did you not watch the Browns this year?)......and perhaps a top DB will prevent you from losing a lot of games.
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every mock draft has rosen and Donald going #1 and #2 only walters has barkley going #1 which they say it could be Donald
we have to go QB drafting a db is not going to win games
Again....Mocks are projections about what they think a team WILL do....they are NOT a ranking of the actual best talent. I would expect that just about everyone would expect the Browns to take a QB at #1.
But I am asking: should they? As....are any of these guys really worthy of the #1 pick? Most RANKINGS of talent say no....most mocks say that is what will happen.
As to your last statement....we ALL should know that a QB WILL lose you a lot of games (or did you not watch the Browns this year?)......and perhaps a top DB will prevent you from losing a lot of games.
Again....Mocks are projections about what they think a team WILL do....they are NOT a ranking of the actual best talent. I would expect that just about everyone would expect the Browns to take a QB at #1.
But I am asking: should they? As....are any of these guys really worthy of the #1 pick? Most RANKINGS of talent say no....most mocks say that is what will happen.
As to your last statement....we ALL should now that a QB WILL lose you a lot of games (or did you not watch the Browns this year?)......and perhaps a top DB will prevent you from losing a lot of games.
no hue lost us all those games sashi didn't help either by not keeping a vet qb on the team,so ya a decent coach and a good qb can take you to the promised land before a db will
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Marino was the #27 pick in the draft. 5 others were taken before him...but he can arguably be considered the best of that group...though you do have Elway and Kelly in there.
Do you think there is a #27 Marino that could go this year? It is certainly possible.
Do you think that as many as 5-6 will go in round one? That has only happened twice in the common draft era...as many as 5 QBs taken. 1983 and 1999.
1983 produced 3 HOFers, one very good one (O/Brien), one mediocre (Eason)..and one bust (Blackledge). 1999 produced one borderline HOF in McNabb. One pretty good one in Culpepper. Another fairly good one imo...whose career was cut short by injury: Couch, and two complete busts: Akili and McCown.
Marino was in the 1983 best ever QB draft hard to make the top 10 there! PLUS the drug rumours (some said planted) dropped Marino but Don Shula didn't buy it.
Marino was in the 1983 best ever QB draft hard to make the top 10 there! PLUS the drug rumours (some said planted) dropped Marino but Don Shula didn't buy it.
You saying Marino was better than either Kelly or Elway?
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Yes quarterbacks go high, the most important players on the field. There are also busts, a list of 50 including some recent BROWNS:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1047730-50-biggest-quarterback-busts-in-nfl-draft-history
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
I'm not going to research it, but I'd say that from current NFL QBs, how many were taken in first round? And how many you'd say they are good. A Russell Wilson appears once in 5-10 years. A Brady in the 6th once in a lifetime.
Not sure what you are asking? Are you asking where, of the starting QBs on the 32 teams this past year, did they get drafted?
I know at least about half of them were 1st rounders. Just off the top of my head:
Goff #1 overall
Rivers #4
Palmer #1...now retired
Watson #10
Alex Smith #1
Rodgers (injured like #24..not sure about Hundley)
Trubisky #2
Stafford #1
Mariota #2
Ryan #3
Newton #1
Bortles #3
Cutler mid 1st...like #11
Winston #1
Flaco...like #18 I think
Ben R. #11
Wentz #2
Eli #1
Luck #1 injured
Others:
Wilson 3rd round
Carr 2d round
Garrapolo 2d
Prescott 4th round
Keenum: UDFA
Brees 2d (#32...which was 2d at the time)
Brissett...not sure...mid rounder
Kizer 2d
Dalton 2d
Cousins 4th
Taylor...not sure mid rounder?
Brady 6th
And if you can tell me who the Jets and Broncos started...I guess I may be able to tell what round they came in. Siemian was like 7th round. Bryce Petty was 3rd. Osweiler was 2d or 3rd.
Not sure what you are asking? Are you asking where, of the starting QBs on the 32 teams this past year, did they get drafted?
I know at least about half of them were 1st rounders. Just off the top of my head:
Goff #1 overall
Rivers #4
Palmer #1...now retired
Watson #10
Alex Smith #1
Rodgers (injured like #24..not sure about Hundley)
Trubisky #2
Stafford #1
Mariota #2
Ryan #3
Newton #1
Bortles #3
Cutler mid 1st...like #11
Winston #1
Flaco...like #18 I think
Ben R. #11
Wentz #2
Eli #1
Luck #1 injured
Others:
Wilson 3rd round
Carr 2d round
Garrapolo 2d
Prescott 4th round
Keenum: UDFA
Brees 2d (#32...which was 2d at the time)
Brissett...not sure...mid rounder
Kizer 2d
Dalton 2d
Cousins 4th
Taylor...not sure mid rounder?
Brady 6th
And if you can tell me who the Jets and Broncos started...I guess I may be able to tell what round they came in. Siemian was like 7th round. Bryce Petty was 3rd. Osweiler was 2d or 3rd.
OK. Among those, I'd only take the following non-first rounders: Wilson, Carr, Garoppolo, Brees, Brady. 5 out of 32 is not a very nice statistic.
Among first rounders: Stafford, Mariota, Ryan, Newton, Winston (meh), Flacco, BR, Eli, Wentz, Luck. 11 out of 32.
So it could be said that you double your chances by drafting a QB on first round. Not because drafting a random guy on 1st makes him automatically good, but because everyone drafts BPA thay fits their needs, just before someone else tries to draft him. So if you draft someone on 1st it is because a bigger number of teams think he's good, therefore there's less risk to fail.
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You saying Marino was better than either Kelly or Elway?
No just a top QB.
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Again....Mocks are projections about what they think a team WILL do....they are NOT a ranking of the actual best talent. I would expect that just about everyone would expect the Browns to take a QB at #1.
But I am asking: should they? As....are any of these guys really worthy of the #1 pick? Most RANKINGS of talent say no....most mocks say that is what will happen.
As to your last statement....we ALL should now that a QB WILL lose you a lot of games (or did you not watch the Browns this year?)......and perhaps a top DB will prevent you from losing a lot of games.
no hue lost us all those games sashi didn't help either by not keeping a vet qb on the team,so ya a decent coach and a good qb can take you to the promised land before a db will
no hue lost us all those games sashi didn't help either by not keeping a vet qb on the team,so ya a decent coach and a good qb can take you to the promised land before a db will
Well....of 16 losses....Hue gets the Lions share.....but...Kizer was directly responsible for all the TOs....so if he doesn't get the lion's share....he gets the Tiger's share.
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Derwin AND Minkah
Go Shmucking crazy
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Yes quarterbacks go high, the most important players on the field. There are also busts, a list of 50 including some recent BROWNS:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1047730-50-biggest-quarterback-busts-in-nfl-draft-history
Yes quarterbacks go high, the most important players on the field. There are also busts, a list of 50 including some recent BROWNS:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1047730-50-biggest-quarterback-busts-in-nfl-draft-history
There is a bit of assholery in there. And definitely a few that don't belong. Culpepper, Pennington, O'brien, Kerry Collins....were all actually fairly good QBs. I believe Couch should not be in there.
And this must be fairly old....as there is no Weeden/Manziel in there.
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no hue lost us all those games sashi didn't help either by not keeping a vet qb on the team,so ya a decent coach and a good qb can take you to the promised land before a db will
Well....of 16 losses....Hue gets the Lions share.....but...Kizer was directly responsible for all the TOs....so if he doesn't get the lion's share....he gets the Tiger's share.
Well....of 16 losses....Hue gets the Lions share.....but...Kizer was directly responsible for all the TOs....so if he doesn't get the lion's share....he gets the Tiger's share.
ha aha aha I agree but if we would bother to develop a qb (hopefully we bring in a vet qb) I would rather go that route which is why i would like to see us draft a qb #1 and hopefully we draft the right one
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Not sure what you are asking? Are you asking where, of the starting QBs on the 32 teams this past year, did they get drafted?
I know at least about half of them were 1st rounders. Just off the top of my head:
Goff #1 overall
Rivers #4
Palmer #1...now retired
Watson #10
Alex Smith #1
Rodgers (injured like #24..not sure about Hundley)
Trubisky #2
Stafford #1
Mariota #2
Ryan #3
Newton #1
Bortles #3
Cutler mid 1st...like #11
Winston #1
Flaco...like #18 I think
Ben R. #11
Wentz #2
Eli #1
Luck #1 injured
Others:
Wilson 3rd round
Carr 2d round
Garrapolo 2d
Prescott 4th round
Keenum: UDFA
Brees 2d (#32...which was 2d at the time)
Brissett...not sure...mid rounder
Kizer 2d
Dalton 2d
Cousins 4th
Taylor...not sure mid rounder?
Brady 6th
And if you can tell me who the Jets and Broncos started...I guess I may be able to tell what round they came in. Siemian was like 7th round. Bryce Petty was 3rd. Osweiler was 2d or 3rd.
OK. Among those, I'd only take the following non-first rounders: Wilson, Carr, Garoppolo, Brees, Brady. 5 out of 32 is not a very nice statistic.
Among first rounders: Stafford, Mariota, Ryan, Newton, Winston (meh), Flacco, BR, Eli, Wentz, Luck. 11 out of 32.
So it could be said that you double your chances by drafting a QB on first round. Not because drafting a random guy on 1st makes him automatically good, but because everyone drafts BPA thay fits their needs, just before someone else tries to draft him. So if you draft someone on 1st it is because a bigger number of teams think he's good, therefore there's less risk to fail.
OK. Among those, I'd only take the following non-first rounders: Wilson, Carr, Garoppolo, Brees, Brady. 5 out of 32 is not a very nice statistic.
Among first rounders: Stafford, Mariota, Ryan, Newton, Winston (meh), Flacco, BR, Eli, Wentz, Luck. 11 out of 32.
So it could be said that you double your chances by drafting a QB on first round. Not because drafting a random guy on 1st makes him automatically good, but because everyone drafts BPA thay fits their needs, just before someone else tries to draft him. So if you draft someone on 1st it is because a bigger number of teams think he's good, therefore there's less risk to fail.
Huh?
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Derwin AND Minkah
Go Shmucking crazy
In theory...not a bad idea. Would never happen....but the Browns could definitely use a combo like that.
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Well....of 16 losses....Hue gets the Lions share.....but...Kizer was directly responsible for all the TOs....so if he doesn't get the lion's share....he gets the Tiger's share.
ha aha aha I agree but if we would bother to develop a qb (hopefully we bring in a vet qb) I would rather go that route which is why i would like to see us draft a qb #1 and hopefully we draft the right one
ha aha aha I agree but if we would bother to develop a qb (hopefully we bring in a vet qb) I would rather go that route which is why i would like to see us draft a qb #1 and hopefully we draft the right one
Elvis trumps Bowie.....go for the QB at #4.
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OK. Among those, I'd only take the following non-first rounders: Wilson, Carr, Garoppolo, Brees, Brady. 5 out of 32 is not a very nice statistic.
Among first rounders: Stafford, Mariota, Ryan, Newton, Winston (meh), Flacco, BR, Eli, Wentz, Luck. 11 out of 32.
So it could be said that you double your chances by drafting a QB on first round. Not because drafting a random guy on 1st makes him automatically good, but because everyone drafts BPA thay fits their needs, just before someone else tries to draft him. So if you draft someone on 1st it is because a bigger number of teams think he's good, therefore there's less risk to fail.
Huh?
Huh?
You were talking about waiting to 2nd round to draft a QB, but the odds are against that move.
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OK. Among those, I'd only take the following non-first rounders: Wilson, Carr, Garoppolo, Brees, Brady. 5 out of 32 is not a very nice statistic.
Among first rounders: Stafford, Mariota, Ryan, Newton, Winston (meh), Flacco, BR, Eli, Wentz, Luck. 11 out of 32.
So it could be said that you double your chances by drafting a QB on first round. Not because drafting a random guy on 1st makes him automatically good, but because everyone drafts BPA thay fits their needs, just before someone else tries to draft him. So if you draft someone on 1st it is because a bigger number of teams think he's good, therefore there's less risk to fail.
Huh?
Huh?
i think maybe he meant you have better odd's when drafting a QB within the first 4 picks to have a good one
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Elvis trumps Bowie.....go for the QB at #4.
the Bowie Elvis debate to continue
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Huh?
You were talking about waiting to 2nd round to draft a QB, but the odds are against that move.
You were talking about waiting to 2nd round to draft a QB, but the odds are against that move.
I was not talking about that. I did say that it may be possible that we could get one in round 2 that could be every bit as good as the guys that might go in round one.....given the melange of talent at the position...but I was not talking about doing that.
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