Why not Minkah at #1
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Yes quarterbacks go high, the most important players on the field. There are also busts, a list of 50 including some recent BROWNS:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1047730-50-biggest-quarterback-busts-in-nfl-draft-history
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I'm not going to research it, but I'd say that from current NFL QBs, how many were taken in first round? And how many you'd say they are good. A Russell Wilson appears once in 5-10 years. A Brady in the 6th once in a lifetime.
Not sure what you are asking? Are you asking where, of the starting QBs on the 32 teams this past year, did they get drafted?
I know at least about half of them were 1st rounders. Just off the top of my head:
Goff #1 overall
Rivers #4
Palmer #1...now retired
Watson #10
Alex Smith #1
Rodgers (injured like #24..not sure about Hundley)
Trubisky #2
Stafford #1
Mariota #2
Ryan #3
Newton #1
Bortles #3
Cutler mid 1st...like #11
Winston #1
Flaco...like #18 I think
Ben R. #11
Wentz #2
Eli #1
Luck #1 injured
Others:
Wilson 3rd round
Carr 2d round
Garrapolo 2d
Prescott 4th round
Keenum: UDFA
Brees 2d (#32...which was 2d at the time)
Brissett...not sure...mid rounder
Kizer 2d
Dalton 2d
Cousins 4th
Taylor...not sure mid rounder?
Brady 6th
And if you can tell me who the Jets and Broncos started...I guess I may be able to tell what round they came in. Siemian was like 7th round. Bryce Petty was 3rd. Osweiler was 2d or 3rd.
Not sure what you are asking? Are you asking where, of the starting QBs on the 32 teams this past year, did they get drafted?
I know at least about half of them were 1st rounders. Just off the top of my head:
Goff #1 overall
Rivers #4
Palmer #1...now retired
Watson #10
Alex Smith #1
Rodgers (injured like #24..not sure about Hundley)
Trubisky #2
Stafford #1
Mariota #2
Ryan #3
Newton #1
Bortles #3
Cutler mid 1st...like #11
Winston #1
Flaco...like #18 I think
Ben R. #11
Wentz #2
Eli #1
Luck #1 injured
Others:
Wilson 3rd round
Carr 2d round
Garrapolo 2d
Prescott 4th round
Keenum: UDFA
Brees 2d (#32...which was 2d at the time)
Brissett...not sure...mid rounder
Kizer 2d
Dalton 2d
Cousins 4th
Taylor...not sure mid rounder?
Brady 6th
And if you can tell me who the Jets and Broncos started...I guess I may be able to tell what round they came in. Siemian was like 7th round. Bryce Petty was 3rd. Osweiler was 2d or 3rd.
OK. Among those, I'd only take the following non-first rounders: Wilson, Carr, Garoppolo, Brees, Brady. 5 out of 32 is not a very nice statistic.
Among first rounders: Stafford, Mariota, Ryan, Newton, Winston (meh), Flacco, BR, Eli, Wentz, Luck. 11 out of 32.
So it could be said that you double your chances by drafting a QB on first round. Not because drafting a random guy on 1st makes him automatically good, but because everyone drafts BPA thay fits their needs, just before someone else tries to draft him. So if you draft someone on 1st it is because a bigger number of teams think he's good, therefore there's less risk to fail.
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You saying Marino was better than either Kelly or Elway?
No just a top QB.
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Again....Mocks are projections about what they think a team WILL do....they are NOT a ranking of the actual best talent. I would expect that just about everyone would expect the Browns to take a QB at #1.
But I am asking: should they? As....are any of these guys really worthy of the #1 pick? Most RANKINGS of talent say no....most mocks say that is what will happen.
As to your last statement....we ALL should now that a QB WILL lose you a lot of games (or did you not watch the Browns this year?)......and perhaps a top DB will prevent you from losing a lot of games.
no hue lost us all those games sashi didn't help either by not keeping a vet qb on the team,so ya a decent coach and a good qb can take you to the promised land before a db will
no hue lost us all those games sashi didn't help either by not keeping a vet qb on the team,so ya a decent coach and a good qb can take you to the promised land before a db will
Well....of 16 losses....Hue gets the Lions share.....but...Kizer was directly responsible for all the TOs....so if he doesn't get the lion's share....he gets the Tiger's share.
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Derwin AND Minkah
Go Shmucking crazy
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Yes quarterbacks go high, the most important players on the field. There are also busts, a list of 50 including some recent BROWNS:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1047730-50-biggest-quarterback-busts-in-nfl-draft-history
Yes quarterbacks go high, the most important players on the field. There are also busts, a list of 50 including some recent BROWNS:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1047730-50-biggest-quarterback-busts-in-nfl-draft-history
There is a bit of assholery in there. And definitely a few that don't belong. Culpepper, Pennington, O'brien, Kerry Collins....were all actually fairly good QBs. I believe Couch should not be in there.
And this must be fairly old....as there is no Weeden/Manziel in there.
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no hue lost us all those games sashi didn't help either by not keeping a vet qb on the team,so ya a decent coach and a good qb can take you to the promised land before a db will
Well....of 16 losses....Hue gets the Lions share.....but...Kizer was directly responsible for all the TOs....so if he doesn't get the lion's share....he gets the Tiger's share.
Well....of 16 losses....Hue gets the Lions share.....but...Kizer was directly responsible for all the TOs....so if he doesn't get the lion's share....he gets the Tiger's share.
ha aha aha I agree but if we would bother to develop a qb (hopefully we bring in a vet qb) I would rather go that route which is why i would like to see us draft a qb #1 and hopefully we draft the right one
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Not sure what you are asking? Are you asking where, of the starting QBs on the 32 teams this past year, did they get drafted?
I know at least about half of them were 1st rounders. Just off the top of my head:
Goff #1 overall
Rivers #4
Palmer #1...now retired
Watson #10
Alex Smith #1
Rodgers (injured like #24..not sure about Hundley)
Trubisky #2
Stafford #1
Mariota #2
Ryan #3
Newton #1
Bortles #3
Cutler mid 1st...like #11
Winston #1
Flaco...like #18 I think
Ben R. #11
Wentz #2
Eli #1
Luck #1 injured
Others:
Wilson 3rd round
Carr 2d round
Garrapolo 2d
Prescott 4th round
Keenum: UDFA
Brees 2d (#32...which was 2d at the time)
Brissett...not sure...mid rounder
Kizer 2d
Dalton 2d
Cousins 4th
Taylor...not sure mid rounder?
Brady 6th
And if you can tell me who the Jets and Broncos started...I guess I may be able to tell what round they came in. Siemian was like 7th round. Bryce Petty was 3rd. Osweiler was 2d or 3rd.
OK. Among those, I'd only take the following non-first rounders: Wilson, Carr, Garoppolo, Brees, Brady. 5 out of 32 is not a very nice statistic.
Among first rounders: Stafford, Mariota, Ryan, Newton, Winston (meh), Flacco, BR, Eli, Wentz, Luck. 11 out of 32.
So it could be said that you double your chances by drafting a QB on first round. Not because drafting a random guy on 1st makes him automatically good, but because everyone drafts BPA thay fits their needs, just before someone else tries to draft him. So if you draft someone on 1st it is because a bigger number of teams think he's good, therefore there's less risk to fail.
OK. Among those, I'd only take the following non-first rounders: Wilson, Carr, Garoppolo, Brees, Brady. 5 out of 32 is not a very nice statistic.
Among first rounders: Stafford, Mariota, Ryan, Newton, Winston (meh), Flacco, BR, Eli, Wentz, Luck. 11 out of 32.
So it could be said that you double your chances by drafting a QB on first round. Not because drafting a random guy on 1st makes him automatically good, but because everyone drafts BPA thay fits their needs, just before someone else tries to draft him. So if you draft someone on 1st it is because a bigger number of teams think he's good, therefore there's less risk to fail.
Huh?
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Derwin AND Minkah
Go Shmucking crazy
In theory...not a bad idea. Would never happen....but the Browns could definitely use a combo like that.
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Well....of 16 losses....Hue gets the Lions share.....but...Kizer was directly responsible for all the TOs....so if he doesn't get the lion's share....he gets the Tiger's share.
ha aha aha I agree but if we would bother to develop a qb (hopefully we bring in a vet qb) I would rather go that route which is why i would like to see us draft a qb #1 and hopefully we draft the right one
ha aha aha I agree but if we would bother to develop a qb (hopefully we bring in a vet qb) I would rather go that route which is why i would like to see us draft a qb #1 and hopefully we draft the right one
Elvis trumps Bowie.....go for the QB at #4.
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OK. Among those, I'd only take the following non-first rounders: Wilson, Carr, Garoppolo, Brees, Brady. 5 out of 32 is not a very nice statistic.
Among first rounders: Stafford, Mariota, Ryan, Newton, Winston (meh), Flacco, BR, Eli, Wentz, Luck. 11 out of 32.
So it could be said that you double your chances by drafting a QB on first round. Not because drafting a random guy on 1st makes him automatically good, but because everyone drafts BPA thay fits their needs, just before someone else tries to draft him. So if you draft someone on 1st it is because a bigger number of teams think he's good, therefore there's less risk to fail.
Huh?
Huh?
You were talking about waiting to 2nd round to draft a QB, but the odds are against that move.
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OK. Among those, I'd only take the following non-first rounders: Wilson, Carr, Garoppolo, Brees, Brady. 5 out of 32 is not a very nice statistic.
Among first rounders: Stafford, Mariota, Ryan, Newton, Winston (meh), Flacco, BR, Eli, Wentz, Luck. 11 out of 32.
So it could be said that you double your chances by drafting a QB on first round. Not because drafting a random guy on 1st makes him automatically good, but because everyone drafts BPA thay fits their needs, just before someone else tries to draft him. So if you draft someone on 1st it is because a bigger number of teams think he's good, therefore there's less risk to fail.
Huh?
Huh?
i think maybe he meant you have better odd's when drafting a QB within the first 4 picks to have a good one
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Elvis trumps Bowie.....go for the QB at #4.
the Bowie Elvis debate to continue
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Huh?
You were talking about waiting to 2nd round to draft a QB, but the odds are against that move.
You were talking about waiting to 2nd round to draft a QB, but the odds are against that move.
I was not talking about that. I did say that it may be possible that we could get one in round 2 that could be every bit as good as the guys that might go in round one.....given the melange of talent at the position...but I was not talking about doing that.
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Elvis trumps Bowie.....go for the QB at #4.
the Bowie Elvis debate to continue
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You were talking about waiting to 2nd round to draft a QB, but the odds are against that move.
I was not talking about that. I did say that it may be possible that we could get one in round 2 that could be every bit as good as the guys that might go in round one.....given the melange of talent at the position...but I was not talking about doing that.
I was not talking about that. I did say that it may be possible that we could get one in round 2 that could be every bit as good as the guys that might go in round one.....given the melange of talent at the position...but I was not talking about doing that.
Uh huh. My fault then. (Insert here "sorry I'm Spaniard" excuses)
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No need....love them both.
did you watch the Bowie special on hbo Monday night ? it was all right the last ten minutes were great
side note: draft a QB #1
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Minkah isn’t even the top rated safety, much less the top rated prospect.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Derwin AND Minkah
Go Shmucking crazy
So where would Peppers play?
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I was not talking about that. I did say that it may be possible that we could get one in round 2 that could be every bit as good as the guys that might go in round one.....given the melange of talent at the position...but I was not talking about doing that.
Uh huh. My fault then. (Insert here "sorry I'm Spaniard" excuses)
Uh huh. My fault then. (Insert here "sorry I'm Spaniard" excuses)
What derogatory term do the English have for Spaniards?
Or, there is this joke: How do you find the Spanish? Look on the bottom of the Channel.
An American tourist goes into a restaurant in Spain and orders the specialty of the house. When his dinner arrives, he asks the waiter what it is. "These, senor," replied the waiter in broken English, "are the arms of the bull killed in the ring today." The tourist swallowed hard but tasted the dish and thought it was delicious. So he comes back the next evening and orders the same item. When it is served, he says to the waiter, "These arms... are much smaller than the ones I had last night." "Yes, senor," replied the waiter, "You see...the bull, he does not always lose.
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