Why not Minkah at #1
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guess we have a long time to talk about it
Yes, we do... and as that time passes a consensus the top one (or two) QB prospect(s) will emerge.
thing is times have changed since then so many sports channels national sports radio (cough cough) the internet a lot of info out there some true some not but it usually gets figured out on message boards like these
And not just for rumors...
Go back to '83 and the average fan had no access to information, game tape, etc. to assess draft prospect for themselves. Pretty much the same in '93... better in '03... plenty by '13.
In the absence of the ability to self-assess fans could reference "expert" rankings, but what were few in '83 are now plentiful.
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Isn't CBS the big board that has Mason Rudolph as it's #1 QB?
It is. I believe they take a consensus from their writers and assign a grading scale. At least, they used to.
FWIW, I also think Derwin will be a better NFL safety than Minkah as well.
It is. I believe they take a consensus from their writers and assign a grading scale. At least, they used to.
Sounds more like NFL.com's process.
Historically CBS has been "powered by DraftScout.com". But since DraftScout doesn't merge underclassmen until the declaration deadline passes (I think the date is 01-15-18 this year), CBS does something else until then to generate clicks.
You draft a QB. Why? Because how many points did Garrett score this year?
Six... but they were called back due to an offsides.
In that same vein, Derwin is a (more) versatile player who followed a career path like that of Peppers - linebacker, safety, corner, $lb. Except he’s on a Sean Taylor level of athleticism, something Peppers is not.
That's the key with Derwin... he's not just a SS candidate, he has FS potential. Taylor is one comp I hear; Ed Reed is the other.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
It is. I believe they take a consensus from their writers and assign a grading scale. At least, they used to.
Sounds more like NFL.com's process.
Historically CBS has been "powered by DraftScout.com". But since DraftScout doesn't merge underclassmen until the declaration deadline passes (I think the date is 01-15-18 this year), CBS does something else until then to generate clicks.
You draft a QB. Why? Because how many points did Garrett score this year?
Six... but they were called back due to an offsides.
In that same vein, Derwin is a (more) versatile player who followed a career path like that of Peppers - linebacker, safety, corner, $lb. Except he’s on a Sean Taylor level of athleticism, something Peppers is not.
That's the key with Derwin... he's not just a SS candidate, he has FS potential. Taylor is one comp I hear; Ed Reed is the other.
... DraftScout doesn't merge underclassmen until the declaration deadline passes (I think the date is 01-15-18 this year)...
Well time flies... their top 750 is out... http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/top750.php?draftyear=2018&sortby=rateall&order=ASC
DSRank Name College Proj Hgt Wgt 40 20 10 Bench Vert Jump Broad Jump Shuttle 3Cone 1Darnold, *Sam 
QB, Southern California 1 6-3 220 4.74 
2Barkley, *Saquon
RB, Penn State 1 5-11 230 4.49 
3Rosen, *Josh 
QB, UCLA 1 6-3 218 4.97 
4Fitzpatrick, *Minkah
CB, Alabama 1 6-0 201 4.52 
5Chubb, Bradley
DE, North Carolina State 1 6-3 275 4.84 
6James, *Derwin
SS, Florida State 1 6-2 211 4.52 
7Payne, *DaRon
DT, Alabama 1 6-2 308 5.38 
8Nelson, *Quenton
OG, Notre Dame 1 6-4 330 5.23 
9Allen, *Josh
QB, Wyoming 1 6-4 240 4.76 
10Ward, *Denzel
CB, Ohio State 1 5-10 191 4.37 
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
You got a mixed bag of QBs available in this draft....and the third one taken is likely no better than the first one. Does it matter really if you miss on both Blaine Gabbert and Christian Ponder?
So now instead of one of two, it's one of three... or four... or six...
My point is yea? So?Darnold and Rosen may not be anywhere as good at playing their position as Minkah is at his. Some don't even have Darnold and Rosen or either as being in the top 2 at their positions.
As Tour said....if you have an absolutely No Brainer at QB...you go for the QB......but neither of those guys are considered a no brainer by any means.
Not what I said.
It may come down to: do we take the best PLAYER in this draft....or do we take who is the best perceived QB in the draft.
And there is the fallacy at the heart of your argument. Best PLAYER is just as much a matter of perception as best QB. And it's not your only fallacy...
Add that perception of college performance is the wrong criteria. It's projection of performance to the next level.
Add that "grading" is imprecise. It's why FOs group players of similar grades on their boards.
So now instead of one of two, it's one of three... or four... or six...
Not what I said.
And there is the fallacy at the heart of your argument. Best PLAYER is just as much a matter of perception as best QB. And it's not your only fallacy...
Add that perception of college performance is the wrong criteria. It's projection of performance to the next level.
Add that "grading" is imprecise. It's why FOs group players of similar grades on their boards.
How many more times are you going to contradict yourself just for the personal pleasure of disagreeing with me?
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You make a good case Tim. As I said I'd take whichever one is still there @4 if we go QB #1. I just prefer the defensive "brain" out there for a Browns team that looks lost from time to time on defense. Never underestimate the value of instant play diagnosis by a skilled defensive wrecker. If James is as good at that as Fitz I would not complain. Dat Nguyen was famous for that ability. Go directly to the 2:42 mark.
Dat Nguyen is a name I had not heard in a long time. It is a shame that injuries took a toll on him.
Dat Nguyen is a name I had not heard in a long time. It is a shame that injuries took a toll on him.
Tends to happen to undersized players who play like they aren't undersized.
Really good kid, too. He was at TAMU when my daughter was... I met him a couple times.
Yeah these Bama and LSU guys never seem to be quite as good as their billing.
Sarcasm?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
So now instead of one of two, it's one of three... or four... or six...
Not what I said.
And there is the fallacy at the heart of your argument. Best PLAYER is just as much a matter of perception as best QB. And it's not your only fallacy...
Add that perception of college performance is the wrong criteria. It's projection of performance to the next level.
Add that "grading" is imprecise. It's why FOs group players of similar grades on their boards.
How many more times are you going to contradict yourself just for the personal pleasure of disagreeing with me?
How many more times are you going to contradict yourself just for the personal pleasure of disagreeing with me?
Where have I done that?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Dat Nguyen is a name I had not heard in a long time. It is a shame that injuries took a toll on him.
Tends to happen to undersized players who play like they aren't undersized.
Really good kid, too. He was at TAMU when my daughter was... I met him a couple times.
Yeah these Bama and LSU guys never seem to be quite as good as their billing.
Sarcasm?
Tends to happen to undersized players who play like they aren't undersized.
Really good kid, too. He was at TAMU when my daughter was... I met him a couple times.
He was raised in Rockport and his family had a Vietnamese restaurant almost on the bay call "Who Dat". It had a lot of his stuff from A&M and Dallas displayed there. Nice family. They went back and got me some of their nouc mam (fish sauce) off the family table when I said I had served as an advisor in Phan Thiet - nouc mam capital of Vietnam. None of the watered down stuff set out so Americans could tolerate it. The really pungent smelly stuff I had come to love on everything.
I still wonder if their business was ruined by the hurricane this summer.
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How many more times are you going to contradict yourself just for the personal pleasure of disagreeing with me?
Where have I done that?
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... DraftScout doesn't merge underclassmen until the declaration deadline passes (I think the date is 01-15-18 this year)...
Well time flies... their top 750 is out... http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/top750.php?draftyear=2018&sortby=rateall&order=ASC
DSRank Name College Proj Hgt Wgt 40 20 10 Bench Vert Jump Broad Jump Shuttle 3Cone 1Darnold, *Sam
QB, Southern California 1 6-3 220 4.74
2Barkley, *Saquon
RB, Penn State 1 5-11 230 4.49
3Rosen, *Josh
QB, UCLA 1 6-3 218 4.97
4Fitzpatrick, *Minkah
CB, Alabama 1 6-0 201 4.52
5Chubb, Bradley
DE, North Carolina State 1 6-3 275 4.84
6James, *Derwin
SS, Florida State 1 6-2 211 4.52
7Payne, *DaRon
DT, Alabama 1 6-2 308 5.38
8Nelson, *Quenton
OG, Notre Dame 1 6-4 330 5.23
9Allen, *Josh
QB, Wyoming 1 6-4 240 4.76
10Ward, *Denzel
CB, Ohio State 1 5-10 191 4.37
Well time flies... their top 750 is out... http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/top750.php?draftyear=2018&sortby=rateall&order=ASC
DSRank Name College Proj Hgt Wgt 40 20 10 Bench Vert Jump Broad Jump Shuttle 3Cone 1Darnold, *Sam
QB, Southern California 1 6-3 220 4.74
2Barkley, *Saquon
RB, Penn State 1 5-11 230 4.49
3Rosen, *Josh
QB, UCLA 1 6-3 218 4.97
4Fitzpatrick, *Minkah
CB, Alabama 1 6-0 201 4.52
5Chubb, Bradley
DE, North Carolina State 1 6-3 275 4.84
6James, *Derwin
SS, Florida State 1 6-2 211 4.52
7Payne, *DaRon
DT, Alabama 1 6-2 308 5.38
8Nelson, *Quenton
OG, Notre Dame 1 6-4 330 5.23
9Allen, *Josh
QB, Wyoming 1 6-4 240 4.76
10Ward, *Denzel
CB, Ohio State 1 5-10 191 4.37
No major issues- I like these block ratings- surprisingly, your guy Benkert is nowhere to be seen....
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/valuechart.php?draftyear=2018
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/valuechart2.php?draftyear=2018
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Well time flies... their top 750 is out... http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/top750.php?draftyear=2018&sortby=rateall&order=ASC
DSRank Name College Proj Hgt Wgt 40 20 10 Bench Vert Jump Broad Jump Shuttle 3Cone 1Darnold, *Sam
QB, Southern California 1 6-3 220 4.74
2Barkley, *Saquon
RB, Penn State 1 5-11 230 4.49
3Rosen, *Josh
QB, UCLA 1 6-3 218 4.97
4Fitzpatrick, *Minkah
CB, Alabama 1 6-0 201 4.52
5Chubb, Bradley
DE, North Carolina State 1 6-3 275 4.84
6James, *Derwin
SS, Florida State 1 6-2 211 4.52
7Payne, *DaRon
DT, Alabama 1 6-2 308 5.38
8Nelson, *Quenton
OG, Notre Dame 1 6-4 330 5.23
9Allen, *Josh
QB, Wyoming 1 6-4 240 4.76
10Ward, *Denzel
CB, Ohio State 1 5-10 191 4.37
No major issues- I like these block ratings- surprisingly, your guy Benkert is nowhere to be seen....
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/valuechart.php?draftyear=2018
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/valuechart2.php?draftyear=2018
No major issues- I like these block ratings- surprisingly, your guy Benkert is nowhere to be seen....
lol... now you remember one of my guys...
Kurt is their #9 QB with a Round 4/5 cusp parojection and ranked as the 165th player overall... right where a good, darkhorse should be. He'll rise, as all my darkhorses do, and likely sneak into Round 3.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=129869&draftyear=2018&genpos=QB
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
No major issues- I like these block ratings- surprisingly, your guy Benkert is nowhere to be seen....
lol... now you remember one of my guys...
Kurt is their #9 QB with a Round 4/5 cusp parojection and ranked as the 165th player overall... right where a good, darkhorse should be. He'll rise, as all my darkhorses do, and likely sneak into Round 3.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=129869&draftyear=2018&genpos=QB
lol... now you remember one of my guys...
Kurt is their #9 QB with a Round 4/5 cusp parojection and ranked as the 165th player overall... right where a good, darkhorse should be. He'll rise, as all my darkhorses do, and likely sneak into Round 3.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=129869&draftyear=2018&genpos=QB
LOL, those who already have hitched their wagon to a specific player need to realize I haven't done that yet. (Almost all options are on my table- short of) Cousins- too short a window and too expensive, Allen- too damn inaccurate, and Lamar Jackson- RG IV.
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Dat Nguyen is a name I had not heard in a long time. It is a shame that injuries took a toll on him.
Tends to happen to undersized players who play like they aren't undersized.
Really good kid, too. He was at TAMU when my daughter was... I met him a couple times.
Yeah these Bama and LSU guys never seem to be quite as good as their billing.
Sarcasm?
Tends to happen to undersized players who play like they aren't undersized.
Remember the Colts safety Bob Sanders, from Iowa?
Helluva player, smallish guy who threw his body around, missed a ton of games.
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Remember the Colts safety Bob Sanders, from Iowa?
Absolutely... pretty much the poster child for "writing checks the body couldn't cash."
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Elvis trumps Bowie.....go for the QB at #4.
Elvis isn’t fit to hold Bowie’s jock.
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Your post count is 22,374.
& your post count is 40,000+, you calling Tour a slacker?
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Your post count is 22,374.
& your post count is 40,000+, you calling Tour a slacker?
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