Alex smith
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KC is 8M over the cap before signing any rookies thanks to our new GM's incompetence.. Chiefs should be paying us to take Smith's contract [20.6M in 2018] off their hands. I don't see any reason we should give them anything higher than a 3rd, followed by us signing whatever quality D FA they don't sign.
How about a Brock Osweiler deal? We take him off their hands for the cost of his contract....and they give US a 2d/3rd rounder?
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Edit: sorry....I never believed any of you would actually take this seriously
How about a Brock Osweiler deal? We take him off their hands for the cost of his contract....and they give US a 2d/3rd rounder?
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Nyet. The Chiefs are already minus their first round pick thanks to trading up for Mahomes, they'll be looking to add picks, not subtract them. There will be far more interest in Smith (several teams at least) than the Ostrich. I wouldn't look for the bidding to get insane, but then you never know about those things. Alex has a proven track record- something Brock sorely lacks. Look for the Brockster to get flat out cut by Denver once the season is over- the way his contract is structured, it coast them nothing to do so.
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KC is 8M over the cap before signing any rookies thanks to our new GM's incompetence.. Chiefs should be paying us to take Smith's contract [20.6M in 2018] off their hands. I don't see any reason we should give them anything higher than a 3rd, followed by us signing whatever quality D FA they don't sign.
KC is 8M over the cap before signing any rookies thanks to our new GM's incompetence.. Chiefs should be paying us to take Smith's contract [20.6M in 2018] off their hands. I don't see any reason we should give them anything higher than a 3rd, followed by us signing whatever quality D FA they don't sign.
WTF incompetence ? you do realize that every team in the league go's up against the cap at some time or the other
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Arizona will likely invest draft picks in reaching top 10 for a rookie QB than for trading a soon to be FA aged 34. With a new coach they look like rebuilding and they don't need "temporary" solutions.
Denver: No way. Same division, aging players, cap space.
The real contenders I see there are the Jets and Jacksonville. I have my doubts on the Jets because I believe they signed McCown as a bridge quaterback to draft a rookie in this very draft. Which I strongly believe is the same we did when drafting Kizer.
I'd say that with starting QBs, either you sign them on FA or draft them, it's difficult for teams to be in the same position as the Browns, with both a lot of cap space, and many high picks. And in a QB deep draft like this, I see pushing for players like Smith teams with cap space and low picks (Jacksonville, and I can't think of any other more obvious).
Also, Jacksonville has to try to win NOW, so they need to get a good QB for this next 2 years, if they have learnt something from the Texans, which didn't syncronize having a good QB (Watson) with the top years of their defense.
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@boo-fagley said:
They are talking 2 - 1st round picks on KC sports radio which is ridiculous. I find it hard to believe that anyone would give a 1st round pick for Smith.
I will say a 2nd round pick which is still too much for my liking, but if KC flat let him go and certain criteria were reached by Smith in 2018 on his new team, KC could very well receive a 3rd round compensatory pick for Smith.
First round pick for Alex Smith is just crazy, especially considering where ours sit at, but even though our 2nd rounders are still considerably valuable, I'd make the move in a skinny second. Obviously I'd PREFER the latest 2nd rounder we have, but to be honest, I'd probably do just about anything to get the deal done. Again, I'm not trying to make Alex Smith out to be the second coming, but just think about the potential impact he could have on our TEAM, our coaches, and our front office. Here's what I mean...
So it goes without saying that we have set the bar "pretty low". Our main coaches have kept their jobs but know that they need improvement and need it yesterday. Even if Alex Smith helps us win 5 games (stop laughing, it's possible), that would likely be enough for everyone to keep their job another year. It would be another year for our players to learn in the same systems, to gel together, for our high picks to progress. It's another year of adding free agents that fit our philosophies, another year of Kizer learning behind an established veteran, and we start to get the continuity we've been dying for.
We're not completely devoid of talent, and obviously we are going to add a bunch of new players in the draft and I get the feeling we're going to be more aggressive than usual in free agency. We have to be aggressive because we're the worst team in the world, and we'll need to bust out both the charm AND the checkbook to get talent heading this way. Certainly there will be players who avoid us, but I don't believe we're going to have the toxic effect many fans and analysts anticipate. Look at Jamie Collins for example. He could've gone to a bunch of other teams but he didn't. Collins hasn't had the impact yet, but I'm not worried. He's a beast and he'll get there.
I don't care what some article says about our chances. We have the GM that previously traded for Alex Smith with us, we have an arsenal of draft picks, we have a ton of cash....and we have a desperate owner. And think about this...what would acquiring Alex Smith do for ticket sales? You think it would make a difference? I do. I'm not saying ticket sales would ERUPT or anything, but there would definitely be a spike, and getting Smith would immediately deflect all the terrible attention from us, and then everyone could start talking about building our team and winning some games. Perhaps most importantly, Smith is still signed with the Chiefs. Where he goes isn't up to him, unless he has a no-trade claus (I haven't heard that he does, but I could be wrong). Even if we trade for him and he says he doesn't want to sign a multi year deal, it won't matter. We get him for 2018, we franchise him in 2019, and then we reassess. However, if we do trade for him, it's highly likely he WILL sign with us, mainly because we'll make him stupid rich. Sure he's rich now, but we could overpay him and not even feel it. Who else could do that? Mr. Dorsey, make the deal happen the first second trades are allowed.
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I know everyone has linked the Browns to Alex Smith because of Dorsey but let's factor in a few things:
1) Dorsey traded for him 5 years ago...when he was 29 and still in the prime of his career. He will be 34/35 going into next season
2.) He traded UP in last year's draft to get a qb whom he thought was SIGNIFICANTLY better than him for this team. AKA, he was ready to move on from him
3.) Smith is owed almost $20 million next year. Not many teams can absorb that money. Obviously, the browns can, but why should they?
4.) Chiefs fans are delusional if anyone is offering a 2nd round pick for him. The chiefs have to make a decision before the first day of the league year, if not sooner about a)picking up his bonus b ) they are already OVER the cap. The best offer they are going to get is MAYBE a 4th with potential to be a 3rd and I highly doubt that is the case. Let's look at the suitors: Cleveland, Arizona (whom I think is going full tank), Jax (Kirk Cousins all-in and is Smith at this point that much better than Bortles plus if Tyrod Taylor is on the market), Denver (no way Elway wants a 34 y/o qb), Jets (see Josh McCown), Washington (assuming they don't resign cousins), Buffalo (assuming they release Taylor, but is Smith that much better than Taylor), and maybe Pittsburgh (if Big Ben retires)...Everywhere else he is going to be a back-up.
5.) The Chiefs have all but said Mahomes is the starting qb next year
SO based on this reasoning, someone please tell me WHY the Browns are going to give up a high round draft choice for this guy? I'm not saying he wouldn't be a welcome addition to this team, but I will not be happy if the Browns give up any top 65 picks for Alex Smith. That's just wasting picks and throwing them away. Then franchise tag a 34 y/o declining qb at $26 million per year? Are you crazy? Now, instead of wasting draft picks, the Browns are wasting money. If people haven't read the tea leaves, AJ McCarron is whom the Browns want. They are praying that he becomes an unrestricted FA on February 15th when the league rules on his eligibility...Being the collusionist that I am, I think the NFL rules in favor of the Bengals. The browns would much rather trade for him than Alex Smith.
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I know everyone has linked the Browns to Alex Smith because of Dorsey but let's factor in a few things:
1) Dorsey traded for him 5 years ago...when he was 29 and still in the prime of his career. He will be 34/35 going into next season
2.) He traded UP in last year's draft to get a qb whom he thought was SIGNIFICANTLY better than him for this team. AKA, he was ready to move on from him
3.) Smith is owed almost $20 million next year. Not many teams can absorb that money. Obviously, the browns can, but why should they?
4.) Chiefs fans are delusional if anyone is offering a 2nd round pick for him. The chiefs have to make a decision before the first day of the league year, if not sooner about a)picking up his bonus b ) they are already OVER the cap. The best offer they are going to get is MAYBE a 4th with potential to be a 3rd and I highly doubt that is the case. Let's look at the suitors: Cleveland, Arizona (whom I think is going full tank), Jax (Kirk Cousins all-in and is Smith at this point that much better than Bortles plus if Tyrod Taylor is on the market), Denver (no way Elway wants a 34 y/o qb), Jets (see Josh McCown), Washington (assuming they don't resign cousins), Buffalo (assuming they release Taylor, but is Smith that much better than Taylor), and maybe Pittsburgh (if Big Ben retires)...Everywhere else he is going to be a back-up.
5.) The Chiefs have all but said Mahomes is the starting qb next year
SO based on this reasoning, someone please tell me WHY the Browns are going to give up a high round draft choice for this guy? I'm not saying he wouldn't be a welcome addition to this team, but I will not be happy if the Browns give up any top 65 picks for Alex Smith. That's just wasting picks and throwing them away. Then franchise tag a 34 y/o declining qb at $26 million per year? Are you crazy? Now, instead of wasting draft picks, the Browns are wasting money. If people haven't read the tea leaves, AJ McCarron is whom the Browns want. They are praying that he becomes an unrestricted FA on February 15th when the league rules on his eligibility...Being the collusionist that I am, I think the NFL rules in favor of the Bengals. The browns would much rather trade for him than Alex Smith.
I know everyone has linked the Browns to Alex Smith because of Dorsey but let's factor in a few things:
1) Dorsey traded for him 5 years ago...when he was 29 and still in the prime of his career. He will be 34/35 going into next season
2.) He traded UP in last year's draft to get a qb whom he thought was SIGNIFICANTLY better than him for this team. AKA, he was ready to move on from him
3.) Smith is owed almost $20 million next year. Not many teams can absorb that money. Obviously, the browns can, but why should they?
4.) Chiefs fans are delusional if anyone is offering a 2nd round pick for him. The chiefs have to make a decision before the first day of the league year, if not sooner about a)picking up his bonus b ) they are already OVER the cap. The best offer they are going to get is MAYBE a 4th with potential to be a 3rd and I highly doubt that is the case. Let's look at the suitors: Cleveland, Arizona (whom I think is going full tank), Jax (Kirk Cousins all-in and is Smith at this point that much better than Bortles plus if Tyrod Taylor is on the market), Denver (no way Elway wants a 34 y/o qb), Jets (see Josh McCown), Washington (assuming they don't resign cousins), Buffalo (assuming they release Taylor, but is Smith that much better than Taylor), and maybe Pittsburgh (if Big Ben retires)...Everywhere else he is going to be a back-up.
5.) The Chiefs have all but said Mahomes is the starting qb next year
SO based on this reasoning, someone please tell me WHY the Browns are going to give up a high round draft choice for this guy? I'm not saying he wouldn't be a welcome addition to this team, but I will not be happy if the Browns give up any top 65 picks for Alex Smith. That's just wasting picks and throwing them away. Then franchise tag a 34 y/o declining qb at $26 million per year? Are you crazy? Now, instead of wasting draft picks, the Browns are wasting money. If people haven't read the tea leaves, AJ McCarron is whom the Browns want. They are praying that he becomes an unrestricted FA on February 15th when the league rules on his eligibility...Being the collusionist that I am, I think the NFL rules in favor of the Bengals. The browns would much rather trade for him than Alex Smith.
Like your thinking, but- how old was Payton Manning when the Broncos got him? Their window is closing fast. RE: McCarron, assuming he's a RFA- what if the Bengals put a second round tender on him? Giving up the #33, for a guy who's only played a few games? You better see long term starter potential, and I don't trust Hue's QB judgement anymore at all.
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How about a Brock Osweiler deal? We take him off their hands for the cost of his contract....and they give US a 2d/3rd rounder?
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Nyet. The Chiefs are already minus their first round pick thanks to trading up for Mahomes, they'll be looking to add picks, not subtract them. There will be far more interest in Smith (several teams at least) than the Ostrich. I wouldn't look for the bidding to get insane, but then you never know about those things. Alex has a proven track record- something Brock sorely lacks. Look for the Brockster to get flat out cut by Denver once the season is over- the way his contract is structured, it coast them nothing to do so.
Nyet. The Chiefs are already minus their first round pick thanks to trading up for Mahomes, they'll be looking to add picks, not subtract them. There will be far more interest in Smith (several teams at least) than the Ostrich. I wouldn't look for the bidding to get insane, but then you never know about those things. Alex has a proven track record- something Brock sorely lacks. Look for the Brockster to get flat out cut by Denver once the season is over- the way his contract is structured, it coast them nothing to do so.
See above where I edited to put my statement in pink......as it was clearly a jest
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Does anyone have any clue what it would take to trade for Alex Smith? I know at one point people wanted to wait for him to be released, that way he costs only money and not draft picks, but waiting for a release would probably guarantee that he signs with a team who WASN'T 0-16. You can bet your paycheck Arizona is going to be ALL over Smith as well, so I'm guessing the price for his services is going to be pretty high...but how high?
Does anyone have any clue what it would take to trade for Alex Smith? I know at one point people wanted to wait for him to be released, that way he costs only money and not draft picks, but waiting for a release would probably guarantee that he signs with a team who WASN'T 0-16. You can bet your paycheck Arizona is going to be ALL over Smith as well, so I'm guessing the price for his services is going to be pretty high...but how high?
A talking head on ESPN radio was mentioning a 3rd or possibly a 2nd rounder.
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@boo-fagley said:
They are talking 2 - 1st round picks on KC sports radio which is ridiculous. I find it hard to believe that anyone would give a 1st round pick for Smith.
I will say a 2nd round pick which is still too much for my liking, but if KC flat let him go and certain criteria were reached by Smith in 2018 on his new team, KC could very well receive a 3rd round compensatory pick for Smith.
If KC "let's him go", then they are not entitled to a compensatory pick. Trade is their only option for getting anything in return plus it saves them ~$4mm in dead money.
Agree with your trade valuation. A low 2nd would be my limit.
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I know everyone has linked the Browns to Alex Smith because of Dorsey but let's factor in a few things:
1) Dorsey traded for him 5 years ago...when he was 29 and still in the prime of his career. He will be 34/35 going into next season
2.) He traded UP in last year's draft to get a qb whom he thought was SIGNIFICANTLY better than him for this team. AKA, he was ready to move on from him
3.) Smith is owed almost $20 million next year. Not many teams can absorb that money. Obviously, the browns can, but why should they?
4.) Chiefs fans are delusional if anyone is offering a 2nd round pick for him. The chiefs have to make a decision before the first day of the league year, if not sooner about a)picking up his bonus b ) they are already OVER the cap. The best offer they are going to get is MAYBE a 4th with potential to be a 3rd and I highly doubt that is the case. Let's look at the suitors: Cleveland, Arizona (whom I think is going full tank), Jax (Kirk Cousins all-in and is Smith at this point that much better than Bortles plus if Tyrod Taylor is on the market), Denver (no way Elway wants a 34 y/o qb), Jets (see Josh McCown), Washington (assuming they don't resign cousins), Buffalo (assuming they release Taylor, but is Smith that much better than Taylor), and maybe Pittsburgh (if Big Ben retires)...Everywhere else he is going to be a back-up.
5.) The Chiefs have all but said Mahomes is the starting qb next year
SO based on this reasoning, someone please tell me WHY the Browns are going to give up a high round draft choice for this guy? I'm not saying he wouldn't be a welcome addition to this team, but I will not be happy if the Browns give up any top 65 picks for Alex Smith. That's just wasting picks and throwing them away. Then franchise tag a 34 y/o declining qb at $26 million per year? Are you crazy? Now, instead of wasting draft picks, the Browns are wasting money. If people haven't read the tea leaves, AJ McCarron is whom the Browns want. They are praying that he becomes an unrestricted FA on February 15th when the league rules on his eligibility...Being the collusionist that I am, I think the NFL rules in favor of the Bengals. The browns would much rather trade for him than Alex Smith.
I know everyone has linked the Browns to Alex Smith because of Dorsey but let's factor in a few things:
1) Dorsey traded for him 5 years ago...when he was 29 and still in the prime of his career. He will be 34/35 going into next season
2.) He traded UP in last year's draft to get a qb whom he thought was SIGNIFICANTLY better than him for this team. AKA, he was ready to move on from him
3.) Smith is owed almost $20 million next year. Not many teams can absorb that money. Obviously, the browns can, but why should they?
4.) Chiefs fans are delusional if anyone is offering a 2nd round pick for him. The chiefs have to make a decision before the first day of the league year, if not sooner about a)picking up his bonus b ) they are already OVER the cap. The best offer they are going to get is MAYBE a 4th with potential to be a 3rd and I highly doubt that is the case. Let's look at the suitors: Cleveland, Arizona (whom I think is going full tank), Jax (Kirk Cousins all-in and is Smith at this point that much better than Bortles plus if Tyrod Taylor is on the market), Denver (no way Elway wants a 34 y/o qb), Jets (see Josh McCown), Washington (assuming they don't resign cousins), Buffalo (assuming they release Taylor, but is Smith that much better than Taylor), and maybe Pittsburgh (if Big Ben retires)...Everywhere else he is going to be a back-up.
5.) The Chiefs have all but said Mahomes is the starting qb next year
SO based on this reasoning, someone please tell me WHY the Browns are going to give up a high round draft choice for this guy? I'm not saying he wouldn't be a welcome addition to this team, but I will not be happy if the Browns give up any top 65 picks for Alex Smith. That's just wasting picks and throwing them away. Then franchise tag a 34 y/o declining qb at $26 million per year? Are you crazy? Now, instead of wasting draft picks, the Browns are wasting money. If people haven't read the tea leaves, AJ McCarron is whom the Browns want. They are praying that he becomes an unrestricted FA on February 15th when the league rules on his eligibility...Being the collusionist that I am, I think the NFL rules in favor of the Bengals. The browns would much rather trade for him than Alex Smith.
Hell yes you can give up a 2nd for him and then use are #1 pick on a Q.B I mean no one is gonna give a Sheet about what we gave up just as long as the Q.B situation is solidified
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"Two firsts for Smith" say the Chiefs fans.
"No higher than a 3rd" exclaim the Browns fans.
You're all nuts.
The Browns need a legitimate NFL QB in the worst way - not the least of which is to instill an attitude of winning in that locker room. The Browns are desperate for such a player. In my opinion only two such players are available this off season- Smith and Cousins.
Obtaining Cousins is the least problematic option. The Browns can simply 1) convince him that Cleveland is his best option (not an easy sales job, but that's why the GM gets big bucks) and 2) pay him more than anyone else. If secured, Cousins will be a Brown under contract for 4 or 5 years.
Smith, however, doesn't come with any long-term certainty. He's got one year left on his contract and, if the Browns obtain him via trade, they'll have to secure him to a longer-term deal or the trade will arguably have been a worthless 1-year rental. Again, that's why the GM gets big bucks - it's his job to make that happen.
Of the two QB's I'm partial to Smith. He's coming off a season where he led the NFL in QBR and in completed passes of 30+ air yards. He is not a "dink and dunk" passer as some claim. Josh Gordon and Cory Coleman would be exciting and productive deep threats with Smith at QB.
The Browns are in a good position to obtain Smith via trade. They have more realistic ammo than any other squad. By realistic ammo I mean second-round picks and plenty of cap room. Because that's all it should take to get him. Smith is worth more than a 3rd round pick to a QB desperate team, and there are few clubs that can afford to take on his salary.
Bottom line - if the Browns have to offer their first pick in the second round to outbid all others to obtain Smith they should do it. Heck, they'd still be on the clock two picks later. There is NOBODY in the draft available at pick #33 that would come anywhere CLOSE to the value that Smith would bring to the Browns. Nobody.
That would be considered the steal of the draft. And a refreshing step in the right direction to returning the Browns to a legitimate, exciting NFL franchise.
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"Two firsts for Smith" say the Chiefs fans.
"No higher than a 3rd" exclaim the Browns fans.
You're all nuts.
The Browns need a legitimate NFL QB in the worst way - not the least of which is to instill an attitude of winning in that locker room. The Browns are desperate for such a player. In my opinion only two such players are available this off season- Smith and Cousins.
Obtaining Cousins is the least problematic option. The Browns can simply 1) convince him that Cleveland is his best option (not an easy sales job, but that's why the GM gets big bucks) and 2) pay him more than anyone else. If secured, Cousins will be a Brown under contract for 4 or 5 years.
Smith, however, doesn't come with any long-term certainty. He's got one year left on his contract and, if the Browns obtain him via trade, they'll have to secure him to a longer-term deal or the trade will arguably have been a worthless 1-year rental. Again, that's why the GM gets big bucks - it's his job to make that happen.
Of the two QB's I'm partial to Smith. He's coming off a season where he led the NFL in QBR and in completed passes of 30+ air yards. He is not a "dink and dunk" passer as some claim. Josh Gordon and Cory Coleman would be exciting and productive deep threats with Smith at QB.
The Browns are in a good position to obtain Smith via trade. They have more realistic ammo than any other squad. By realistic ammo I mean second-round picks and plenty of cap room. Because that's all it should take to get him. Smith is worth more than a 3rd round pick to a QB desperate team, and there are few clubs that can afford to take on his salary.
Bottom line - if the Browns have to offer their first pick in the second round to outbid all others to obtain Smith they should do it. Heck, they'd still be on the clock two picks later. There is NOBODY in the draft available at pick #33 that would come anywhere CLOSE to the value that Smith would bring to the Browns. Nobody.
That would be considered the steal of the draft. And a refreshing step in the right direction to returning the Browns to a legitimate, exciting NFL franchise.
"Two firsts for Smith" say the Chiefs fans.
"No higher than a 3rd" exclaim the Browns fans.
You're all nuts.
The Browns need a legitimate NFL QB in the worst way - not the least of which is to instill an attitude of winning in that locker room. The Browns are desperate for such a player. In my opinion only two such players are available this off season- Smith and Cousins.
Obtaining Cousins is the least problematic option. The Browns can simply 1) convince him that Cleveland is his best option (not an easy sales job, but that's why the GM gets big bucks) and 2) pay him more than anyone else. If secured, Cousins will be a Brown under contract for 4 or 5 years.
Smith, however, doesn't come with any long-term certainty. He's got one year left on his contract and, if the Browns obtain him via trade, they'll have to secure him to a longer-term deal or the trade will arguably have been a worthless 1-year rental. Again, that's why the GM gets big bucks - it's his job to make that happen.
Of the two QB's I'm partial to Smith. He's coming off a season where he led the NFL in QBR and in completed passes of 30+ air yards. He is not a "dink and dunk" passer as some claim. Josh Gordon and Cory Coleman would be exciting and productive deep threats with Smith at QB.
The Browns are in a good position to obtain Smith via trade. They have more realistic ammo than any other squad. By realistic ammo I mean second-round picks and plenty of cap room. Because that's all it should take to get him. Smith is worth more than a 3rd round pick to a QB desperate team, and there are few clubs that can afford to take on his salary.
Bottom line - if the Browns have to offer their first pick in the second round to outbid all others to obtain Smith they should do it. Heck, they'd still be on the clock two picks later. There is NOBODY in the draft available at pick #33 that would come anywhere CLOSE to the value that Smith would bring to the Browns. Nobody.
That would be considered the steal of the draft. And a refreshing step in the right direction to returning the Browns to a legitimate, exciting NFL franchise.
Agreed on Smith. The Browns haven't had a good QB since... Kosar? Now you give a #33 and get 3 maybe 4 years of a good solid quaterback. Plus we have many other picks.
How many times you draft a second rounder and are THAT certain that he will contribute next 3 years? Just think of 3 years being able to FORGET about the QB position, because maybe Smith isn't great as Montana, but he's a good enough QB that if you get a good team around him will give you very good chances of becoming a contender.
I can see Smith getting injured or the rookie QB that we draft not being as good as we thought he'd be or ending up as a bust. Anything can happen and you can't be 100% sure about anything. But I don't see happening both things at the same time.
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Does anyone have any clue what it would take to trade for Alex Smith? I know at one point people wanted to wait for him to be released, that way he costs only money and not draft picks, but waiting for a release would probably guarantee that he signs with a team who WASN'T 0-16. You can bet your paycheck Arizona is going to be ALL over Smith as well, so I'm guessing the price for his services is going to be pretty high...but how high?
A talking head on ESPN radio was mentioning a 3rd or possibly a 2nd rounder.
Feels right...
@boo-fagley said:
They are talking 2 - 1st round picks on KC sports radio which is ridiculous. I find it hard to believe that anyone would give a 1st round pick for Smith.
I will say a 2nd round pick which is still too much for my liking, but if KC flat let him go and certain criteria were reached by Smith in 2018 on his new team, KC could very well receive a 3rd round compensatory pick for Smith.
If KC "let's him go", then they are not entitled to a compensatory pick. Trade is their only option for getting anything in return plus it saves them ~$4mm in dead money.
Agree with your trade valuation. A low 2nd would be my limit.
Feels right...
If KC "let's him go", then they are not entitled to a compensatory pick. Trade is their only option for getting anything in return plus it saves them ~$4mm in dead money.
Agree with your trade valuation. A low 2nd would be my limit.
If all it takes is a second round pick, then we have to make the deal. Obviously, the difficulty will be for us to hang on to our HIGHER ones (33 and 35 I think) and then trade the one from later in the 2nd. That being said, Kansas City kind of has us bent over a barrel, and if push comes to shove, I imagine we'll make the deal for whichever pick is needed to get the job done.
As many of us have stated, we aren't EXACTLY the prime free agent destination for obvious reasons. This is why TRADING for the QB we want makes the most sense. Some fans may argue that the Chiefs are simply going to release Smith, so why not save our draft picks and sign him from free agency? Well the answer is we most likely would not GET him because he'd have his choice of basically 4 teams, and I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be at the top of the list. We have 3 second rounders, let's use one on a STARTING QB.
Fans like myself are already dreaming about Alex Smith throwing to Duke Johnson, Josh Gordon, Corey Coleman (let's forgive him already), Seth Devalve (he could BREAK OUT with Smith), and David Njoku. Hue Jackson was good at scheming guys open, and obviously Alex Smith isn't going to complete EVERYTHING, but his accuracy would be a giant improvement. How many times did Kizer over shoot Njoku on that deep seam or down the sideline? Alex throws that as well as anyone. I think the big question mark is Josh Gordon (duh). Just about every fan has now entered the "waiting to read/hear bad news on Gordon" part of the offseason, and it's something that really hasn't let us down in the past. We waited for it, and we got it. Truth be told, this version of Gordon APPEARS to be the real thing, but the NFL drug program is no joke, and he doesn't even have to test positive to be banished. He can miss a test, be late for one, have diluted urine, or take Nyquil for a cold and then be positive for alcohol. Make no mistake, we need him. He wasn't completely in tune with the offense, but you could definitely see what he means to a QB. He also opens up the field for everyone else AND gives the defense something to worry about. An important factor we were sorely lacking.
Could we still be a 5 or even 6 win team with another QB, maybe Bradford, Keenum, or even Teddy Twatwater? I honestly don't think so, which is why I'm so over the top for Smith. Even if we only get him for 2-3 years, that guy be enough to propel our franchise forward for the first time in forever.
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"Two firsts for Smith" say the Chiefs fans.
"No higher than a 3rd" exclaim the Browns fans.
You're all nuts.
The Browns need a legitimate NFL QB in the worst way - not the least of which is to instill an attitude of winning in that locker room. The Browns are desperate for such a player. In my opinion only two such players are available this off season- Smith and Cousins.
Obtaining Cousins is the least problematic option. The Browns can simply 1) convince him that Cleveland is his best option (not an easy sales job, but that's why the GM gets big bucks) and 2) pay him more than anyone else. If secured, Cousins will be a Brown under contract for 4 or 5 years.
Smith, however, doesn't come with any long-term certainty. He's got one year left on his contract and, if the Browns obtain him via trade, they'll have to secure him to a longer-term deal or the trade will arguably have been a worthless 1-year rental. Again, that's why the GM gets big bucks - it's his job to make that happen.
Of the two QB's I'm partial to Smith. He's coming off a season where he led the NFL in QBR and in completed passes of 30+ air yards. He is not a "dink and dunk" passer as some claim. Josh Gordon and Cory Coleman would be exciting and productive deep threats with Smith at QB.
The Browns are in a good position to obtain Smith via trade. They have more realistic ammo than any other squad. By realistic ammo I mean second-round picks and plenty of cap room. Because that's all it should take to get him. Smith is worth more than a 3rd round pick to a QB desperate team, and there are few clubs that can afford to take on his salary.
Bottom line - if the Browns have to offer their first pick in the second round to outbid all others to obtain Smith they should do it. Heck, they'd still be on the clock two picks later. There is NOBODY in the draft available at pick #33 that would come anywhere CLOSE to the value that Smith would bring to the Browns. Nobody.
That would be considered the steal of the draft. And a refreshing step in the right direction to returning the Browns to a legitimate, exciting NFL franchise.
... simply 1) convince him that Cleveland is his best option..
Smith, however, doesn't come with any long-term certainty. He's got one year left on his contract and, if the Browns obtain him via trade, they'll have to secure him to a longer-term deal or the trade will arguably have been a worthless 1-year rental.
Anything but simple...
With Smith, as with any vet, there is always the certainty of the tag on which to fall back. If we have not found and prepared our long-term QB by the 2020 season, then it will become the next-next FO's problem.
That being said, Kansas City kind of has us bent over a barrel, and if push comes to shove, I imagine we'll make the deal for whichever pick is needed to get the job done.
But there is the counter pressure on KC to clear cap space... and only a trade clears the full $20mm.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
NO veteran that is going to be brought in here is going to be anything but a bridge QB...to whomever we likely take at #1 overall. And NO bridge QB, in my opinion is worth more than a 3rd rounder.
If Smith cannot be gotten for a 3rd rounder....and maybe I would throw in at best a 6th or 7th....I would not make the trade. There will be other veteran FA QBs out there.
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NO veteran that is going to be brought in here is going to be anything but a bridge QB...to whomever we likely take at #1 overall. And NO bridge QB, in my opinion is worth more than a 3rd rounder.
If Smith cannot be gotten for a 3rd rounder....and maybe I would throw in at best a 6th or 7th....I would not make the trade. There will be other veteran FA QBs out there.
NO veteran that is going to be brought in here is going to be anything but a bridge QB...to whomever we likely take at #1 overall. And NO bridge QB, in my opinion is worth more than a 3rd rounder.
If Smith cannot be gotten for a 3rd rounder....and maybe I would throw in at best a 6th or 7th....I would not make the trade. There will be other veteran FA QBs out there.
I think if Kirk Cousins is as good as some of the Pumpers around here think he's better than a bridge quarterback. He could play here for a good number more years.
I don't particularly think of him that way but some of you guys seem to. At least we don't have to give up a high pic just some loose cash.
WSS
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Buffalo is a QB away from being a perennial playoff contender...They have 2 first round picks...I believe they'd be willing to give up one of those picks for Smith
We are not giving up a top 5 pick for Smith...Thus I don't see us as a player for Smith.
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NO veteran that is going to be brought in here is going to be anything but a bridge QB...to whomever we likely take at #1 overall. And NO bridge QB, in my opinion is worth more than a 3rd rounder.
If Smith cannot be gotten for a 3rd rounder....and maybe I would throw in at best a 6th or 7th....I would not make the trade. There will be other veteran FA QBs out there.
... NO bridge QB, in my opinion is worth more than a 3rd rounder.
If Smith cannot be gotten for a 3rd rounder....maybe I would throw in at best a 6th or 7th....
Way to take a stand.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Kiser and a pick for Smith
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... NO bridge QB, in my opinion is worth more than a 3rd rounder.
If Smith cannot be gotten for a 3rd rounder....maybe I would throw in at best a 6th or 7th....
Way to take a stand.
Way to take a stand.
Sorry you can't follow the logic. I would not give up higher than a third rounder but if you give up a third rounder and a lore pick I would go along with that pier and simple what's your problem can't comprehend itSorry you can't follow the logic. I would not give up higher than a third rounder but if you give up a third rounder and a lore pick I would go along with that pier and simple what's your problem can't comprehend it
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