Alex smith
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"Two firsts for Smith" say the Chiefs fans.
"No higher than a 3rd" exclaim the Browns fans.
You're all nuts.
The Browns need a legitimate NFL QB in the worst way - not the least of which is to instill an attitude of winning in that locker room. The Browns are desperate for such a player. In my opinion only two such players are available this off season- Smith and Cousins.
Obtaining Cousins is the least problematic option. The Browns can simply 1) convince him that Cleveland is his best option (not an easy sales job, but that's why the GM gets big bucks) and 2) pay him more than anyone else. If secured, Cousins will be a Brown under contract for 4 or 5 years.
Smith, however, doesn't come with any long-term certainty. He's got one year left on his contract and, if the Browns obtain him via trade, they'll have to secure him to a longer-term deal or the trade will arguably have been a worthless 1-year rental. Again, that's why the GM gets big bucks - it's his job to make that happen.
Of the two QB's I'm partial to Smith. He's coming off a season where he led the NFL in QBR and in completed passes of 30+ air yards. He is not a "dink and dunk" passer as some claim. Josh Gordon and Cory Coleman would be exciting and productive deep threats with Smith at QB.
The Browns are in a good position to obtain Smith via trade. They have more realistic ammo than any other squad. By realistic ammo I mean second-round picks and plenty of cap room. Because that's all it should take to get him. Smith is worth more than a 3rd round pick to a QB desperate team, and there are few clubs that can afford to take on his salary.
Bottom line - if the Browns have to offer their first pick in the second round to outbid all others to obtain Smith they should do it. Heck, they'd still be on the clock two picks later. There is NOBODY in the draft available at pick #33 that would come anywhere CLOSE to the value that Smith would bring to the Browns. Nobody.
That would be considered the steal of the draft. And a refreshing step in the right direction to returning the Browns to a legitimate, exciting NFL franchise.
"Two firsts for Smith" say the Chiefs fans.
"No higher than a 3rd" exclaim the Browns fans.
You're all nuts.
The Browns need a legitimate NFL QB in the worst way - not the least of which is to instill an attitude of winning in that locker room. The Browns are desperate for such a player. In my opinion only two such players are available this off season- Smith and Cousins.
Obtaining Cousins is the least problematic option. The Browns can simply 1) convince him that Cleveland is his best option (not an easy sales job, but that's why the GM gets big bucks) and 2) pay him more than anyone else. If secured, Cousins will be a Brown under contract for 4 or 5 years.
Smith, however, doesn't come with any long-term certainty. He's got one year left on his contract and, if the Browns obtain him via trade, they'll have to secure him to a longer-term deal or the trade will arguably have been a worthless 1-year rental. Again, that's why the GM gets big bucks - it's his job to make that happen.
Of the two QB's I'm partial to Smith. He's coming off a season where he led the NFL in QBR and in completed passes of 30+ air yards. He is not a "dink and dunk" passer as some claim. Josh Gordon and Cory Coleman would be exciting and productive deep threats with Smith at QB.
The Browns are in a good position to obtain Smith via trade. They have more realistic ammo than any other squad. By realistic ammo I mean second-round picks and plenty of cap room. Because that's all it should take to get him. Smith is worth more than a 3rd round pick to a QB desperate team, and there are few clubs that can afford to take on his salary.
Bottom line - if the Browns have to offer their first pick in the second round to outbid all others to obtain Smith they should do it. Heck, they'd still be on the clock two picks later. There is NOBODY in the draft available at pick #33 that would come anywhere CLOSE to the value that Smith would bring to the Browns. Nobody.
That would be considered the steal of the draft. And a refreshing step in the right direction to returning the Browns to a legitimate, exciting NFL franchise.
Agreed on Smith. The Browns haven't had a good QB since... Kosar? Now you give a #33 and get 3 maybe 4 years of a good solid quaterback. Plus we have many other picks.
How many times you draft a second rounder and are THAT certain that he will contribute next 3 years? Just think of 3 years being able to FORGET about the QB position, because maybe Smith isn't great as Montana, but he's a good enough QB that if you get a good team around him will give you very good chances of becoming a contender.
I can see Smith getting injured or the rookie QB that we draft not being as good as we thought he'd be or ending up as a bust. Anything can happen and you can't be 100% sure about anything. But I don't see happening both things at the same time.
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Does anyone have any clue what it would take to trade for Alex Smith? I know at one point people wanted to wait for him to be released, that way he costs only money and not draft picks, but waiting for a release would probably guarantee that he signs with a team who WASN'T 0-16. You can bet your paycheck Arizona is going to be ALL over Smith as well, so I'm guessing the price for his services is going to be pretty high...but how high?
A talking head on ESPN radio was mentioning a 3rd or possibly a 2nd rounder.
Feels right...
@boo-fagley said:
They are talking 2 - 1st round picks on KC sports radio which is ridiculous. I find it hard to believe that anyone would give a 1st round pick for Smith.
I will say a 2nd round pick which is still too much for my liking, but if KC flat let him go and certain criteria were reached by Smith in 2018 on his new team, KC could very well receive a 3rd round compensatory pick for Smith.
If KC "let's him go", then they are not entitled to a compensatory pick. Trade is their only option for getting anything in return plus it saves them ~$4mm in dead money.
Agree with your trade valuation. A low 2nd would be my limit.
Feels right...
If KC "let's him go", then they are not entitled to a compensatory pick. Trade is their only option for getting anything in return plus it saves them ~$4mm in dead money.
Agree with your trade valuation. A low 2nd would be my limit.
If all it takes is a second round pick, then we have to make the deal. Obviously, the difficulty will be for us to hang on to our HIGHER ones (33 and 35 I think) and then trade the one from later in the 2nd. That being said, Kansas City kind of has us bent over a barrel, and if push comes to shove, I imagine we'll make the deal for whichever pick is needed to get the job done.
As many of us have stated, we aren't EXACTLY the prime free agent destination for obvious reasons. This is why TRADING for the QB we want makes the most sense. Some fans may argue that the Chiefs are simply going to release Smith, so why not save our draft picks and sign him from free agency? Well the answer is we most likely would not GET him because he'd have his choice of basically 4 teams, and I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be at the top of the list. We have 3 second rounders, let's use one on a STARTING QB.
Fans like myself are already dreaming about Alex Smith throwing to Duke Johnson, Josh Gordon, Corey Coleman (let's forgive him already), Seth Devalve (he could BREAK OUT with Smith), and David Njoku. Hue Jackson was good at scheming guys open, and obviously Alex Smith isn't going to complete EVERYTHING, but his accuracy would be a giant improvement. How many times did Kizer over shoot Njoku on that deep seam or down the sideline? Alex throws that as well as anyone. I think the big question mark is Josh Gordon (duh). Just about every fan has now entered the "waiting to read/hear bad news on Gordon" part of the offseason, and it's something that really hasn't let us down in the past. We waited for it, and we got it. Truth be told, this version of Gordon APPEARS to be the real thing, but the NFL drug program is no joke, and he doesn't even have to test positive to be banished. He can miss a test, be late for one, have diluted urine, or take Nyquil for a cold and then be positive for alcohol. Make no mistake, we need him. He wasn't completely in tune with the offense, but you could definitely see what he means to a QB. He also opens up the field for everyone else AND gives the defense something to worry about. An important factor we were sorely lacking.
Could we still be a 5 or even 6 win team with another QB, maybe Bradford, Keenum, or even Teddy Twatwater? I honestly don't think so, which is why I'm so over the top for Smith. Even if we only get him for 2-3 years, that guy be enough to propel our franchise forward for the first time in forever.
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"Two firsts for Smith" say the Chiefs fans.
"No higher than a 3rd" exclaim the Browns fans.
You're all nuts.
The Browns need a legitimate NFL QB in the worst way - not the least of which is to instill an attitude of winning in that locker room. The Browns are desperate for such a player. In my opinion only two such players are available this off season- Smith and Cousins.
Obtaining Cousins is the least problematic option. The Browns can simply 1) convince him that Cleveland is his best option (not an easy sales job, but that's why the GM gets big bucks) and 2) pay him more than anyone else. If secured, Cousins will be a Brown under contract for 4 or 5 years.
Smith, however, doesn't come with any long-term certainty. He's got one year left on his contract and, if the Browns obtain him via trade, they'll have to secure him to a longer-term deal or the trade will arguably have been a worthless 1-year rental. Again, that's why the GM gets big bucks - it's his job to make that happen.
Of the two QB's I'm partial to Smith. He's coming off a season where he led the NFL in QBR and in completed passes of 30+ air yards. He is not a "dink and dunk" passer as some claim. Josh Gordon and Cory Coleman would be exciting and productive deep threats with Smith at QB.
The Browns are in a good position to obtain Smith via trade. They have more realistic ammo than any other squad. By realistic ammo I mean second-round picks and plenty of cap room. Because that's all it should take to get him. Smith is worth more than a 3rd round pick to a QB desperate team, and there are few clubs that can afford to take on his salary.
Bottom line - if the Browns have to offer their first pick in the second round to outbid all others to obtain Smith they should do it. Heck, they'd still be on the clock two picks later. There is NOBODY in the draft available at pick #33 that would come anywhere CLOSE to the value that Smith would bring to the Browns. Nobody.
That would be considered the steal of the draft. And a refreshing step in the right direction to returning the Browns to a legitimate, exciting NFL franchise.
... simply 1) convince him that Cleveland is his best option..
Smith, however, doesn't come with any long-term certainty. He's got one year left on his contract and, if the Browns obtain him via trade, they'll have to secure him to a longer-term deal or the trade will arguably have been a worthless 1-year rental.
Anything but simple...
With Smith, as with any vet, there is always the certainty of the tag on which to fall back. If we have not found and prepared our long-term QB by the 2020 season, then it will become the next-next FO's problem.
That being said, Kansas City kind of has us bent over a barrel, and if push comes to shove, I imagine we'll make the deal for whichever pick is needed to get the job done.
But there is the counter pressure on KC to clear cap space... and only a trade clears the full $20mm.
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NO veteran that is going to be brought in here is going to be anything but a bridge QB...to whomever we likely take at #1 overall. And NO bridge QB, in my opinion is worth more than a 3rd rounder.
If Smith cannot be gotten for a 3rd rounder....and maybe I would throw in at best a 6th or 7th....I would not make the trade. There will be other veteran FA QBs out there.
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NO veteran that is going to be brought in here is going to be anything but a bridge QB...to whomever we likely take at #1 overall. And NO bridge QB, in my opinion is worth more than a 3rd rounder.
If Smith cannot be gotten for a 3rd rounder....and maybe I would throw in at best a 6th or 7th....I would not make the trade. There will be other veteran FA QBs out there.
NO veteran that is going to be brought in here is going to be anything but a bridge QB...to whomever we likely take at #1 overall. And NO bridge QB, in my opinion is worth more than a 3rd rounder.
If Smith cannot be gotten for a 3rd rounder....and maybe I would throw in at best a 6th or 7th....I would not make the trade. There will be other veteran FA QBs out there.
I think if Kirk Cousins is as good as some of the Pumpers around here think he's better than a bridge quarterback. He could play here for a good number more years.
I don't particularly think of him that way but some of you guys seem to. At least we don't have to give up a high pic just some loose cash.
WSS
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Buffalo is a QB away from being a perennial playoff contender...They have 2 first round picks...I believe they'd be willing to give up one of those picks for Smith
We are not giving up a top 5 pick for Smith...Thus I don't see us as a player for Smith.
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NO veteran that is going to be brought in here is going to be anything but a bridge QB...to whomever we likely take at #1 overall. And NO bridge QB, in my opinion is worth more than a 3rd rounder.
If Smith cannot be gotten for a 3rd rounder....and maybe I would throw in at best a 6th or 7th....I would not make the trade. There will be other veteran FA QBs out there.
... NO bridge QB, in my opinion is worth more than a 3rd rounder.
If Smith cannot be gotten for a 3rd rounder....maybe I would throw in at best a 6th or 7th....
Way to take a stand.
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Kiser and a pick for Smith
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... NO bridge QB, in my opinion is worth more than a 3rd rounder.
If Smith cannot be gotten for a 3rd rounder....maybe I would throw in at best a 6th or 7th....
Way to take a stand.
Way to take a stand.
Sorry you can't follow the logic. I would not give up higher than a third rounder but if you give up a third rounder and a lore pick I would go along with that pier and simple what's your problem can't comprehend itSorry you can't follow the logic. I would not give up higher than a third rounder but if you give up a third rounder and a lore pick I would go along with that pier and simple what's your problem can't comprehend it
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A 3rd + 6th is more than a 3rd...
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No Sheet SherlockNo Sheet Sherlock
In that case... you give logic a bad name.
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So you're saying that Alex Smith isn't worth as much as Kizer?
I'd take Alex Smith, #1, #4 & #33 and give up #35.
Not sure I'm following you. You would give 1 and 4 and 33 to get Alex Smith?
I will trade them Kizer straight up.
WSS
Not sure I'm following you. You would give 1 and 4 and 33 to get Alex Smith?
I will trade them Kizer straight up.
WSS
No I’d trade #35 for Alex Smith and leave this years draft with #1, #4, #33 and Alex
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Not sure I'm following you. You would give 1 and 4 and 33 to get Alex Smith?
I will trade them Kizer straight up.
WSS
No I’d trade #35 for Alex Smith and leave this years draft with #1, #4, #33 and Alex
No I’d trade #35 for Alex Smith and leave this years draft with #1, #4, #33 and Alex
Plus the other second rounder.
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No Sheet SherlockNo Sheet Sherlock
In that case... you give logic a bad name.
In that case... you give logic a bad name.
You give humanity and civility a bad name.
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You give humanity and civility a bad name.
That's rich.
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You give humanity and civility a bad name.
Can we turn that into a Bon Jovi song ?
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"Two firsts for Smith" say the Chiefs fans.
"No higher than a 3rd" exclaim the Browns fans.
You're all nuts.
The Browns need a legitimate NFL QB in the worst way - not the least of which is to instill an attitude of winning in that locker room. The Browns are desperate for such a player. In my opinion only two such players are available this off season- Smith and Cousins.
Obtaining Cousins is the least problematic option. The Browns can simply 1) convince him that Cleveland is his best option (not an easy sales job, but that's why the GM gets big bucks) and 2) pay him more than anyone else. If secured, Cousins will be a Brown under contract for 4 or 5 years.
Smith, however, doesn't come with any long-term certainty. He's got one year left on his contract and, if the Browns obtain him via trade, they'll have to secure him to a longer-term deal or the trade will arguably have been a worthless 1-year rental. Again, that's why the GM gets big bucks - it's his job to make that happen.
Of the two QB's I'm partial to Smith. He's coming off a season where he led the NFL in QBR and in completed passes of 30+ air yards. He is not a "dink and dunk" passer as some claim. Josh Gordon and Cory Coleman would be exciting and productive deep threats with Smith at QB.
The Browns are in a good position to obtain Smith via trade. They have more realistic ammo than any other squad. By realistic ammo I mean second-round picks and plenty of cap room. Because that's all it should take to get him. Smith is worth more than a 3rd round pick to a QB desperate team, and there are few clubs that can afford to take on his salary.
Bottom line - if the Browns have to offer their first pick in the second round to outbid all others to obtain Smith they should do it. Heck, they'd still be on the clock two picks later. There is NOBODY in the draft available at pick #33 that would come anywhere CLOSE to the value that Smith would bring to the Browns. Nobody.
That would be considered the steal of the draft. And a refreshing step in the right direction to returning the Browns to a legitimate, exciting NFL franchise.
Agreed on Smith. The Browns haven't had a good QB since... Kosar? Now you give a #33 and get 3 maybe 4 years of a good solid quaterback. Plus we have many other picks.
How many times you draft a second rounder and are THAT certain that he will contribute next 3 years? Just think of 3 years being able to FORGET about the QB position, because maybe Smith isn't great as Montana, but he's a good enough QB that if you get a good team around him will give you very good chances of becoming a contender.
I can see Smith getting injured or the rookie QB that we draft not being as good as we thought he'd be or ending up as a bust. Anything can happen and you can't be 100% sure about anything. But I don't see happening both things at the same time.
Agreed on Smith. The Browns haven't had a good QB since... Kosar? Now you give a #33 and get 3 maybe 4 years of a good solid quaterback. Plus we have many other picks.
How many times you draft a second rounder and are THAT certain that he will contribute next 3 years? Just think of 3 years being able to FORGET about the QB position, because maybe Smith isn't great as Montana, but he's a good enough QB that if you get a good team around him will give you very good chances of becoming a contender.
I can see Smith getting injured or the rookie QB that we draft not being as good as we thought he'd be or ending up as a bust. Anything can happen and you can't be 100% sure about anything. But I don't see happening both things at the same time.
This. ALL of this. Make it happen FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.
And I think it actually does happen.
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None of this. For the love of God, make none of it happen. And I don't think it does happen --- because of money.
Chiefs are over the cap before signing any of their own FA's and think they're going to get picks? No way. Browns have all the cards. If Chiefs want to make a trade, they need to add picks for us to take their salary.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
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