Alex smith
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NO veteran that is going to be brought in here is going to be anything but a bridge QB...to whomever we likely take at #1 overall. And NO bridge QB, in my opinion is worth more than a 3rd rounder.
If Smith cannot be gotten for a 3rd rounder....and maybe I would throw in at best a 6th or 7th....I would not make the trade. There will be other veteran FA QBs out there.
... NO bridge QB, in my opinion is worth more than a 3rd rounder.
If Smith cannot be gotten for a 3rd rounder....maybe I would throw in at best a 6th or 7th....
Way to take a stand.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Kiser and a pick for Smith
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... NO bridge QB, in my opinion is worth more than a 3rd rounder.
If Smith cannot be gotten for a 3rd rounder....maybe I would throw in at best a 6th or 7th....
Way to take a stand.
Way to take a stand.
Sorry you can't follow the logic. I would not give up higher than a third rounder but if you give up a third rounder and a lore pick I would go along with that pier and simple what's your problem can't comprehend itSorry you can't follow the logic. I would not give up higher than a third rounder but if you give up a third rounder and a lore pick I would go along with that pier and simple what's your problem can't comprehend it
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A 3rd + 6th is more than a 3rd...
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No Sheet SherlockNo Sheet Sherlock
In that case... you give logic a bad name.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
So you're saying that Alex Smith isn't worth as much as Kizer?
I'd take Alex Smith, #1, #4 & #33 and give up #35.
Not sure I'm following you. You would give 1 and 4 and 33 to get Alex Smith?
I will trade them Kizer straight up.
WSS
Not sure I'm following you. You would give 1 and 4 and 33 to get Alex Smith?
I will trade them Kizer straight up.
WSS
No I’d trade #35 for Alex Smith and leave this years draft with #1, #4, #33 and Alex
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Not sure I'm following you. You would give 1 and 4 and 33 to get Alex Smith?
I will trade them Kizer straight up.
WSS
No I’d trade #35 for Alex Smith and leave this years draft with #1, #4, #33 and Alex
No I’d trade #35 for Alex Smith and leave this years draft with #1, #4, #33 and Alex
Plus the other second rounder.
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No Sheet SherlockNo Sheet Sherlock
In that case... you give logic a bad name.
In that case... you give logic a bad name.
You give humanity and civility a bad name.
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You give humanity and civility a bad name.
That's rich.
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You give humanity and civility a bad name.
Can we turn that into a Bon Jovi song ?
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"Two firsts for Smith" say the Chiefs fans.
"No higher than a 3rd" exclaim the Browns fans.
You're all nuts.
The Browns need a legitimate NFL QB in the worst way - not the least of which is to instill an attitude of winning in that locker room. The Browns are desperate for such a player. In my opinion only two such players are available this off season- Smith and Cousins.
Obtaining Cousins is the least problematic option. The Browns can simply 1) convince him that Cleveland is his best option (not an easy sales job, but that's why the GM gets big bucks) and 2) pay him more than anyone else. If secured, Cousins will be a Brown under contract for 4 or 5 years.
Smith, however, doesn't come with any long-term certainty. He's got one year left on his contract and, if the Browns obtain him via trade, they'll have to secure him to a longer-term deal or the trade will arguably have been a worthless 1-year rental. Again, that's why the GM gets big bucks - it's his job to make that happen.
Of the two QB's I'm partial to Smith. He's coming off a season where he led the NFL in QBR and in completed passes of 30+ air yards. He is not a "dink and dunk" passer as some claim. Josh Gordon and Cory Coleman would be exciting and productive deep threats with Smith at QB.
The Browns are in a good position to obtain Smith via trade. They have more realistic ammo than any other squad. By realistic ammo I mean second-round picks and plenty of cap room. Because that's all it should take to get him. Smith is worth more than a 3rd round pick to a QB desperate team, and there are few clubs that can afford to take on his salary.
Bottom line - if the Browns have to offer their first pick in the second round to outbid all others to obtain Smith they should do it. Heck, they'd still be on the clock two picks later. There is NOBODY in the draft available at pick #33 that would come anywhere CLOSE to the value that Smith would bring to the Browns. Nobody.
That would be considered the steal of the draft. And a refreshing step in the right direction to returning the Browns to a legitimate, exciting NFL franchise.
Agreed on Smith. The Browns haven't had a good QB since... Kosar? Now you give a #33 and get 3 maybe 4 years of a good solid quaterback. Plus we have many other picks.
How many times you draft a second rounder and are THAT certain that he will contribute next 3 years? Just think of 3 years being able to FORGET about the QB position, because maybe Smith isn't great as Montana, but he's a good enough QB that if you get a good team around him will give you very good chances of becoming a contender.
I can see Smith getting injured or the rookie QB that we draft not being as good as we thought he'd be or ending up as a bust. Anything can happen and you can't be 100% sure about anything. But I don't see happening both things at the same time.
Agreed on Smith. The Browns haven't had a good QB since... Kosar? Now you give a #33 and get 3 maybe 4 years of a good solid quaterback. Plus we have many other picks.
How many times you draft a second rounder and are THAT certain that he will contribute next 3 years? Just think of 3 years being able to FORGET about the QB position, because maybe Smith isn't great as Montana, but he's a good enough QB that if you get a good team around him will give you very good chances of becoming a contender.
I can see Smith getting injured or the rookie QB that we draft not being as good as we thought he'd be or ending up as a bust. Anything can happen and you can't be 100% sure about anything. But I don't see happening both things at the same time.
This. ALL of this. Make it happen FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.
And I think it actually does happen.
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None of this. For the love of God, make none of it happen. And I don't think it does happen --- because of money.
Chiefs are over the cap before signing any of their own FA's and think they're going to get picks? No way. Browns have all the cards. If Chiefs want to make a trade, they need to add picks for us to take their salary.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
You give humanity and civility a bad name.
Can we turn that into a Bon Jovi song ?
Can we turn that into a Bon Jovi song ?
Sounds more like a Cher political song in the making.
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... simply 1) convince him that Cleveland is his best option..
Smith, however, doesn't come with any long-term certainty. He's got one year left on his contract and, if the Browns obtain him via trade, they'll have to secure him to a longer-term deal or the trade will arguably have been a worthless 1-year rental.
Anything but simple...
With Smith, as with any vet, there is always the certainty of the tag on which to fall back. If we have not found and prepared our long-term QB by the 2020 season, then it will become the next-next FO's problem.
That being said, Kansas City kind of has us bent over a barrel, and if push comes to shove, I imagine we'll make the deal for whichever pick is needed to get the job done.
But there is the counter pressure on KC to clear cap space... and only a trade clears the full $20mm.
But there is the counter pressure on KC to clear cap space... and only a trade clears the full $20mm.
And again, this cannot be stated enough. I get he may be worth in terms of value, but I'd bet a cold 6 pack he'll go for a late 2nd. It's well known the Chiefs are in a complete bind on how they can pay Smith the $20 million without making serious roster cuts to pay him. Who knows, maybe that's the route they go.
But don't forget what Houston gave US just to clear up cap space last year. Knowing the boner they have for Mahomes and the fact they are bent over a barrel cap space wise, teams aren't going to bend on draft value. There's no need to give up a valuable pick in the 30s.
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Sounds more like a Cher political song in the making.
You give humanity and civility a bad name.
Can we turn that into a Bon Jovi song ?
Joni Mitchell maybeActually....more Alannis Morrisette. She is always going all emo on us, no? -
I think we wait out KC and KC gives us a 6th to take Smith off their cap.
Browns are the only team they can trade with -- they need that cap relief both for resigning their own and other FA and draft picks..
That means we hold the cards, period -- we could just sign one of the MIN QB's if need be.
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I think we wait out KC and KC gives us a 6th to take Smith off their cap.
Browns are the only team they can trade with -- they need that cap relief both for resigning their own and other FA and draft picks..
That means we hold the cards, period -- we could just sign one of the MIN QB's if need be.
I think we wait out KC and KC gives us a 6th to take Smith off their cap.
Browns are the only team they can trade with -- they need that cap relief both for resigning their own and other FA and draft picks..
That means we hold the cards, period -- we could just sign one of the MIN QB's if need be.
How do you come to the conclusion that the Browns are the only team they can trade with? Several teams may be looking for the services of Smith. A few others may be in the same position that we are in....looking for a "bridge guy". Cardinals for one. I would say that the Broncos could be in for the services of Smith but the Chefs will not trade him in their division. Hell...the Vikings may be looking for a QB of his stature...since all theirs will be FAs. Redskins maybe if Cousins does not go back there. Jets possibly. Maybe even the Bills if they are Tyred of Tyrod.
So...again, explain how we are the only ones. Hell....KC could just decide to keep him as well. Why not?
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None of this. For the love of God, make none of it happen. And I don't think it does happen --- because of money.
Chiefs are over the cap before signing any of their own FA's and think they're going to get picks? No way. Browns have all the cards. If Chiefs want to make a trade, they need to add picks for us to take their salary.
None of this. For the love of God, make none of it happen. And I don't think it does happen --- because of money.
Chiefs are over the cap before signing any of their own FA's and think they're going to get picks? No way. Browns have all the cards. If Chiefs want to make a trade, they need to add picks for us to take their salary.
You're dreaming. It only takes two teams to start a bidding war U. Kansas City has an asset that we (and several other teams) may find desirable. The Browns definitely don't have all the cards. This isn't even remotely comparable to us getting a second round pick to take Osweiler off the Texans' hands- Smith is a proven commodity, Osweiler stunk in Houston.
I think we wait out KC and KC gives us a 6th to take Smith off their cap.
Browns are the only team they can trade with -- they need that cap relief both for resigning their own and other FA and draft picks..
That means we hold the cards, period -- we could just sign one of the MIN QB's if need be.
Second things first. Vikings China Doll Bradford, or bum knee Teddy? Going for factory seconds again? No thanks.
As to no other team being able to bid, Wrongo. We probably have the most draft assets to win a bidding war, but there's a bunch of other QB needy teams that can finagle (or easily manage) to get Smith's salary under the cap. Take a look.
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/
Cardinals- $10 milion
Jaguars (short of winning the Super Bowl, they may dump Bortles) $17 million
Broncos (shades of getting Manning, their window is closing fast) $29 million
Bills (bye Tyrod, hello Alex, BTW they have two first round picks one of which would trump one of our seconds) $31 million
Redskins (if Cousins walks) $52 million.
Jets $72 million
How do you come to the conclusion that the Browns are the only team they can trade with? Several teams may be looking for the services of Smith. A few others may be in the same position that we are in....looking for a "bridge guy". Cardinals for one. I would say that the Broncos could be in for the services of Smith but the Chefs will not trade him in their division. Hell...the Vikings may be looking for a QB of his stature...since all theirs will be FAs. Redskins maybe if Cousins does not go back there. Jets possibly. Maybe even the Bills if they are Tyred of Tyrod.
So...again, explain how we are the only ones. Hell....KC could just decide to keep him as well. Why not?
See above- only thing I'll disagree on Gip is to keep Smith, they would have to dump several high priced vets to stay under the cap. Even trading a guy like Eric Berry wouldn't get it done... Good point on the Broncos though...
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