The 'who have you watched lately?' thread.
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Great content, thanks for taking the time to put that together Tia.
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Great content, thanks for taking the time to put that together Tia.
Great content, thanks for taking the time to put that together Tia.
Admittedly I've been distracted the last couple weeks so the last 1/3 was kind of rushed. I missed this last week because of family issues so I really didn't have time to proof-read or add secondary commentary that I like too.
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To Tiamati:
Just curious as to why Woody is not gobbling your knob since you waxed poetic about a MichiShmucker. I don't question your evaluation....except to ask: Is Defensive Tackle a position that the Browns would consider taking with one of their first round picks?
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To Tiamati:
Just curious as to why Woody is not gobbling your knob since you waxed poetic about a MichiShmucker. I don't question your evaluation....except to ask: Is Defensive Tackle a position that the Browns would consider taking with one of their first round picks?
To Tiamati:
Just curious as to why Woody is not gobbling your knob since you waxed poetic about a MichiShmucker. I don't question your evaluation....except to ask: Is Defensive Tackle a position that the Browns would consider taking with one of their first round picks?
Some mocks have Mo as a top 20 player, closest I could see to that might be Detroit as a team that values 1 gap interior shooters and maybe giving up some in the run game as the only team with a consistent and committed ground game in that division is Minnesota. I just see him as a better fit down South so maybe that's his issue? Either way I won't claim to know and honestly I really don't care. Hurst is a player that isn't going to be able to launch himself head first into NFL tackles and guards with reckless abandon like he does at times. He needs to play with more control and when he does that he could be great. Yet another reason why I feel the fit with Lebeau is so ideal. Old coach will get that type of improvement out of him.
The Brownies could use someone to provide more interior pressure but I see that as possibly being Coley and Brantley with more experience and health under their belt. I don't see a dominant interior player to justify that high of a pick. Hence why, as of this moment, I'm in favor of a small trade down from 4 and praying Chubb falls a few spots being that QB's will have a run early. We need additional pressure outside of banking on Garrett and right now that is very hit or miss with this team.
edit: Quite literally just read Patricia will be named HC of the Lions. I'm not entirely versed on his philosophies but I know he runs a lot of under fronts this year. So even that mock has little idea beyond simple projection. But given the versatility in personnel he demands, I guess I could still see Mo there.
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Great content, thanks for taking the time to put that together Tia.
Admittedly I've been distracted the last couple weeks so the last 1/3 was kind of rushed. I missed this last week because of family issues so I really didn't have time to proof-read or add secondary commentary that I like too.
Admittedly I've been distracted the last couple weeks so the last 1/3 was kind of rushed. I missed this last week because of family issues so I really didn't have time to proof-read or add secondary commentary that I like too.
Don't sweat the proof reading. Great stuff Tia!
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To Tiamati:
Just curious as to why Woody is not gobbling your knob since you waxed poetic about a MichiShmucker. I don't question your evaluation....except to ask: Is Defensive Tackle a position that the Browns would consider taking with one of their first round picks?
To Tiamati:
Just curious as to why Woody is not gobbling your knob since you waxed poetic about a MichiShmucker. I don't question your evaluation....except to ask: Is Defensive Tackle a position that the Browns would consider taking with one of their first round picks?
Most of what he said is true. Though it is worth noting Mo was PFF's highest rated player in all of CFB this year.
Also, we just drafted a handful of DT's. I doubt we go after Mo.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
To Tiamati:
Just curious as to why Woody is not gobbling your knob since you waxed poetic about a MichiShmucker. I don't question your evaluation....except to ask: Is Defensive Tackle a position that the Browns would consider taking with one of their first round picks?
Most of what he said is true. Though it is worth noting Mo was PFF's highest rated player in all of CFB this year.
Also, we just drafted a handful of DT's. I doubt we go after Mo.
Most of what he said is true. Though it is worth noting Mo was PFF's highest rated player in all of CFB this year.
Also, we just drafted a handful of DT's. I doubt we go after Mo.
Corey Coleman was PFF's highest rated receiver for the 2016 Draft and I called Michael Thomas better.
I appreciate evals and grades, but they're stat nerds that see one thing only - numbers. Not that I don't do something similar, but projections go beyond that.
Thanks for the kudos though, guys. Means a lot.
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Most of what he said is true. Though it is worth noting Mo was PFF's highest rated player in all of CFB this year.
Also, we just drafted a handful of DT's. I doubt we go after Mo.
Corey Coleman was PFF's highest rated receiver for the 2016 Draft and I called Michael Thomas better.
I appreciate evals and grades, but they're stat nerds that see one thing only - numbers. Not that I don't do something similar, but projections go beyond that.
Thanks for the kudos though, guys. Means a lot.
Corey Coleman was PFF's highest rated receiver for the 2016 Draft and I called Michael Thomas better.
I appreciate evals and grades, but they're stat nerds that see one thing only - numbers. Not that I don't do something similar, but projections go beyond that.
Thanks for the kudos though, guys. Means a lot.
He's a DT.... I don't think they're just looking at a box score. And I don't think theM picking Coleman as their highest performing WR in college a few years ago invalidates all of PFF because he's performed underwhelmingly here while battling injuries. But, to each their own.
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Corey Coleman was PFF's highest rated receiver for the 2016 Draft and I called Michael Thomas better.
I appreciate evals and grades, but they're stat nerds that see one thing only - numbers. Not that I don't do something similar, but projections go beyond that.
Thanks for the kudos though, guys. Means a lot.
He's a DT.... I don't think they're just looking at a box score. And I don't think theM picking Coleman as their highest performing WR in college a few years ago invalidates all of PFF because he's performed underwhelmingly here while battling injuries. But, to each their own.
He's a DT.... I don't think they're just looking at a box score. And I don't think theM picking Coleman as their highest performing WR in college a few years ago invalidates all of PFF because he's performed underwhelmingly here while battling injuries. But, to each their own.
I have no argument with that. Where Don Brown uses him is primarily as an interior defender, but that doesn't negate the fact where you play at the collegiate level won't always be your primary in the NFL.
My point wasn't to invalidate PFF's scores but that their grades are just that - numbers. Thus not always translatable to future success. Football isn't always quantified by such things. And that their top graded players and CFB ---> NFL projections aren't always something to abide by either.
Mo, along with every other player, earns those high marks and rightfully so. But to highlight the flaw/anomaly in their rankings is that they don't take into account how those scores are earned schematically speaking.
To return to the CC example, I remember after the draft giving a quick eval about Coleman being the greatest beneficiary of a Baylor offense that routinely gave him 1on1 looks against overwhelmed Big12 DB's while playing in a high volume offense. At the same time his drop percentage being all but completely discounted from their grades.
No one system of evaluation is perfect, they all have their faults. Which is why I feel it's so important to use all of them as an all encompassing tool to one's advantage.
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Hurst played alongside Mone in our 4 lineman sets, and Mone was the more true big run stopping DT. Hurst was more of an interior pass rusher.
We did run a 3 line set sometimes though, without Mone.
Though I don't think anyone is expecting Hurst to come in and be some mammoth run stopper. Maybe a 3-4 end? A DT in a 4-3? Idk.
Clearly the PFF rankings won't directly translate to NFL success. There are a lot of variables there. Just like high school rankings don't directly translate. But, at the same time, you have a better chance to be successful I'm college as a 5* than a 3*. That's the point I'm getting at.
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Hurst played alongside Mone in our 4 lineman sets, and Mone was the more true big run stopping DT. Hurst was more of an interior pass rusher.
We did run a 3 line set sometimes though, without Mone.
Though I don't think anyone is expecting Hurst to come in and be some mammoth run stopper. Maybe a 3-4 end? A DT in a 4-3? Idk.
Clearly the PFF rankings won't directly translate to NFL success. There are a lot of variables there. Just like high school rankings don't directly translate. But, at the same time, you have a better chance to be successful I'm college as a 5* than a 3*. That's the point I'm getting at.
Hurst played alongside Mone in our 4 lineman sets, and Mone was the more true big run stopping DT. Hurst was more of an interior pass rusher.
We did run a 3 line set sometimes though, without Mone.
Though I don't think anyone is expecting Hurst to come in and be some mammoth run stopper. Maybe a 3-4 end? A DT in a 4-3? Idk.
Clearly the PFF rankings won't directly translate to NFL success. There are a lot of variables there. Just like high school rankings don't directly translate. But, at the same time, you have a better chance to be successful I'm college as a 5* than a 3*. That's the point I'm getting at.
You did see my recommendation on being a late 1st round pick and going to the Titans, I trust?
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Yeah, I read it. I said I agree with pretty much all of it. I just think it's worth mentioning he was PFFs top overall player.
Also, we'll have to see how the combine goes. I remember that being when Aaron Donald blew up.
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To Tiamati:
Just curious as to why Woody is not gobbling your knob since you waxed poetic about a MichiShmucker. I don't question your evaluation....except to ask: Is Defensive Tackle a position that the Browns would consider taking with one of their first round picks?
Most of what he said is true. Though it is worth noting Mo was PFF's highest rated player in all of CFB this year.
Also, we just drafted a handful of DT's. I doubt we go after Mo.
Also, we just drafted a handful of DT's. I doubt we go after Mo.
I doubt tia's evaluation are based upon which positions we are likely to draft. He just likes doing evaluations.... albeit probably with some positions preferred over others.
No one system of evaluation is perfect, they all have their faults. Which is why I feel it's so important to use all of them as an all encompassing tool to one's advantage.
Agree... I look as well at various grades, rankings. It's nice when they "validate" my takes, but I don't sweat it when they don't. In either case understanding why, if discernible, they do or don't agree with my take can be useful.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Also, we just drafted a handful of DT's. I doubt we go after Mo.
I doubt tia's evaluation are based upon which positions we are likely to draft. He just likes doing evaluations.... albeit probably with some positions preferred over others.
No one system of evaluation is perfect, they all have their faults. Which is why I feel it's so important to use all of them as an all encompassing tool to one's advantage.
Agree... I look as well at various grades, rankings. It's nice when they "validate" my takes, but I don't sweat it when they don't. In either case understanding why, if discernible, they do or don't agree with my take can be useful.
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Saw the Barkley and Sutton has a camp thread...
I've got one on deck that isn't going to please that crowd.
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On deck...
Poona Ford - not easy finding tape on
and Rasheem Green.... pretty easy starting with the NoD game.
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On deck...
Poona Ford - not easy finding tape on
and Rasheem Green.... pretty easy starting with the NoD game.
and Rasheem Green..
Not that it means anything, but he's a name that the FirstPick sym is taking for us more and more when I GM a team other than the Browns. Sym nabs him to start Round 2.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
For all those that love Harrison from Stanford and think he's a first rounder.... you should be all means love this kid. I give you, Poona Ford.
Vs Baylor. I'll use early examples so you don't have to go far into the tape.@ 0:16 Makes contact and doesn't let the Center anchor. Alternates hands on the punch until he gets the rips/swim past. Good balance and base, keeping his feet under him. Ford makes this play.
@0:45 0Tech heads up, draws double, still has play strength to hold his ground.
@0:55 Eyes up, good pad and balance level, timing feet and hands, reads mesh point and attacks QB's upfield shoulder.
@6:50 1tech shade, fires to inside should of RG and drives too far inside allowing crease. See's cutback and attempts to roll into lane. Undiscplined at times.- Play strength
- Good hand usage
- Balance and footwork sync
- Maintains low center and pad level keeping interior lineman from getting under him.
Consistently holds point against doubles and walks back centers.
You don't see him extending out over his base much. Decent arm length allows him to keep interior lineman from getting hands into him. Also doesn't fire into lineman off base very often, but when he does allows himself to be out leveraged and turned inside/outside. Flows well laterally when aligned outside shade of guard because of adequate wingspan and awareness.
I've watched VS. Baylor, TCU, halfway through the WVU game and I want to re-watch the USC game as well. In this small sample size the trends haven't really changed video to video (yet) No Jeckyll and Hyde play style to my eye. Good motor, strong interior player. I'll have more examples the more I watch but I plan on getting his entire 2017 season in. So far, I really like what I see. I'll have more on him later. -
Not that it means anything, but he's a name that the FirstPick sym is taking for us more and more when I GM a team other than the Browns. Sym nabs him to start Round 2.
I watched the NoD game, vs Texas and then Colorado. Wasn't impressed enough to watch much further. Saw an eval that compares him to Carlos Dunlap... size wise - perhaps. In terms of play strength, first step and availability to make a year 1 impact? Didn't see it flash at any point really.
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