Mel Kiper says
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Josh Allen? Really?
Yes it's one of those bullshyt ESPN things that makes you join to read the whole thing but number one was surprising enough.
Josh Allen? Really?
He DID say that it's VERY early in the process.
The senior bowl could change Mel's draft board. The Combine. Free Agency could theoretically take QB right off our draft board. And even Joe Thomas could put a dent in the board.
BTW, I feel pretty sure that JT will let the Browns know his intentions before FA.
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Josh Allen? Really?
He DID say that it's VERY early in the process.
The senior bowl could change Mel's draft board. The Combine. Free Agency could theoretically take QB right off our draft board. And even Joe Thomas could put a dent in the board.
BTW, I feel pretty sure that JT will let the Browns know his intentions before FA.
He DID say that it's VERY early in the process.
The senior bowl could change Mel's draft board. The Combine. Free Agency could theoretically take QB right off our draft board. And even Joe Thomas could put a dent in the board.
BTW, I feel pretty sure that JT will let the Browns know his intentions before FA.
as i said in a different thread I believe JT will finish out his contract Unless his back and knee tell him otherwise
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as most players on this team, Joe likes playing for Hue, Hue respects Joe's career. Hue's contract thru 19,JT thur 18. JT has played with bad knee awhile, bad back, is kinda new, but he's played through that also. Joe's down 10 lbs,but I also say he try's to play to get Hue & team/town off 0 wins..Joe deserves to finish his career on his Terms..This Town can't & won't fault him on that.
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as most players on this team, Joe likes playing for Hue, Hue respects Joe's career. Hue's contract thru 19,JT thur 18. JT has played with bad knee awhile, bad back, is kinda new, but he's played through that also. Joe's down 10 lbs,but I also say he try's to play to get Hue & team/town off 0 wins..Joe deserves to finish his career on his Terms..This Town can't & won't fault him on that.
as most players on this team, Joe likes playing for Hue, Hue respects Joe's career. Hue's contract thru 19,JT thur 18. JT has played with bad knee awhile, bad back, is kinda new, but he's played through that also. Joe's down 10 lbs,but I also say he try's to play to get Hue & team/town off 0 wins..Joe deserves to finish his career on his Terms..This Town can't & won't fault him on that.
Just to add, listening to Red Zone tonight, Dieken said Joe's knee is feeling much better. He didn't get beat up for the entire season- we'll see what he decides to do...
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Mel Kiper blows. He knows nothing about which team is taking which player, as has been proven by reviewing his past "prognostications".
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It is so much fun doing mock drafts and going back to look at old mock drafts and better yet the old actual draft picks.......all the oooohs and aaaahhhhs and we coulda' hads.
Kind of like if I only played 224 and 7056 I would have hit the lottery tonight!
How many days until April 26?
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Mel Kiper blows. He knows nothing about which team is taking which player, as has been proven by reviewing his past "prognostications".
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I know Cal loves him some Josh Allen. If he had Rosen or Darnold's accuracy, he'd be a slam dunk #1 overall. Unfortunately, Mel has overlooked at this point in time Allen doesn't- and I have doubts he ever will.
And to mock Mel- I will never forget this one... "mmmmuuuusssstttt draft Hart Lee Dykes". first round pick, shades of Corey Coleman.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DykeHa00.htm
I have the same concerns you do about Allen, how much of his accuracy issues are him versus the receivers he has and the protection he gets. If his 56% is what it really is, we should pass.
I have the same concerns you do about Allen, how much of his accuracy issues are him versus the receivers he has and the protection he gets. If his 56% is what it really is, we should pass.
Explain how Allen is not just a Kizer clone.....since for both of them they appear to be big strong athletic guys.....who have trouble hitting the broad side of a barn door...according to some reports about Allen. And what about the penchant for committing turnovers? That...worse than his accuracy issues...is the downfall of Kizer.
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I have the same concerns you do about Allen, how much of his accuracy issues are him versus the receivers he has and the protection he gets. If his 56% is what it really is, we should pass.
Explain how Allen is not just a Kizer clone.....since for both of them they appear to be big strong athletic guys.....who have trouble hitting the broad side of a barn door...according to some reports about Allen. And what about the penchant for committing turnovers? That...worse than his accuracy issues...is the downfall of Kizer.
Explain how Allen is not just a Kizer clone.....since for both of them they appear to be big strong athletic guys.....who have trouble hitting the broad side of a barn door...according to some reports about Allen. And what about the penchant for committing turnovers? That...worse than his accuracy issues...is the downfall of Kizer.
After watching 4 complete games of Allen- that's exactly my opinion Gip, he is a Kizer clone. That Mel would put him #1 on his big board means he's projecting (on a rumor he heard) Dorsey is going to be a Dork-sey, and draft him. Said it before- an inaccurate cannon is worthless in the pros...
As a counterpoint to Kiper...
I likee Jeremiah's first mock draft much better, and screw Walter Football- he has us totally passing on a QB in the 2018 draft- he's getting blasted out of the water for that level of ignorance....
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I have the same concerns you do about Allen, how much of his accuracy issues are him versus the receivers he has and the protection he gets. If his 56% is what it really is, we should pass.
Explain how Allen is not just a Kizer clone.....since for both of them they appear to be big strong athletic guys.....who have trouble hitting the broad side of a barn door...according to some reports about Allen. And what about the penchant for committing turnovers? That...worse than his accuracy issues...is the downfall of Kizer.
Explain how Allen is not just a Kizer clone.....since for both of them they appear to be big strong athletic guys.....who have trouble hitting the broad side of a barn door...according to some reports about Allen. And what about the penchant for committing turnovers? That...worse than his accuracy issues...is the downfall of Kizer.
Allen played in a pro-style offense, under an excellent coach.
Allen raised the level of competitiveness of his offense, his entire team, really, with his play
Allen plays with a chip on his shoulder, Kizer has sleepy eyes like Weeden.
Allen has never been benched for not getting it.
Allen inspired his entire college, home town, fans, his entire team.
Allen has outstanding leadership/intangibles - his coach loves him.
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Kizer never played in a pro-style offense.
Kizer played with an excellent cast of players around him for the competition they faced.
Kizer was benched because he wasn't getting it.
Kizer had a college coach who is not an excellent coach.
Kizer didn't inspire his entire team, college or town - he was benched.
Kizer hasn't shown outstanding leadership/intangibles - his coach benched him and criticized him.
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1) Who’s No. 1?
There’s no clear answer here. Darnold threw 13 interceptions, fumbled the ball 11 times and his completion percentage dipped by 4.1 percent year over year. Allen wilted against decent competition, throwing three interceptions and no touchdowns against Iowa and Oregon. Rosen had 26 touchdown passes, but UCLA sputtered to a 6-7 record on the season. (Rosen missed the blowout loss at Utah with a concussion). Nobody has distanced themselves from one another.
“I can see this thing playing out where any of the top three guys assert themselves as No. 1 at the NFL [scouting] combine,” said an area scout. “At the end of the season, Darnold and Rosen will have a chance to do it on a big stage. But if Allen was No. 1 [in April], I wouldn’t be shocked. They all have things they need to work on.”
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Explain how Allen is not just a Kizer clone.....since for both of them they appear to be big strong athletic guys.....who have trouble hitting the broad side of a barn door...according to some reports about Allen. And what about the penchant for committing turnovers? That...worse than his accuracy issues...is the downfall of Kizer.
Allen played in a pro-style offense, under an excellent coach.
Allen raised the level of competitiveness of his offense, his entire team, really, with his play
Allen plays with a chip on his shoulder, Kizer has sleepy eyes like Weeden.
Allen has never been benched for not getting it.
Allen inspired his entire college, home town, fans, his entire team.
Allen has outstanding leadership/intangibles - his coach loves him.
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Kizer never played in a pro-style offense.
Kizer played with an excellent cast of players around him for the competition they faced.
Kizer was benched because he wasn't getting it.
Kizer had a college coach who is not an excellent coach.
Kizer didn't inspire his entire team, college or town - he was benched.
Kizer hasn't shown outstanding leadership/intangibles - his coach benched him and criticized him.
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1) Who’s No. 1?
There’s no clear answer here. Darnold threw 13 interceptions, fumbled the ball 11 times and his completion percentage dipped by 4.1 percent year over year. Allen wilted against decent competition, throwing three interceptions and no touchdowns against Iowa and Oregon. Rosen had 26 touchdown passes, but UCLA sputtered to a 6-7 record on the season. (Rosen missed the blowout loss at Utah with a concussion). Nobody has distanced themselves from one another.
“I can see this thing playing out where any of the top three guys assert themselves as No. 1 at the NFL [scouting] combine,” said an area scout. “At the end of the season, Darnold and Rosen will have a chance to do it on a big stage. But if Allen was No. 1 [in April], I wouldn’t be shocked. They all have things they need to work on.”
Allen played in a pro-style offense, under an excellent coach.
Allen raised the level of competitiveness of his offense, his entire team, really, with his play
Allen plays with a chip on his shoulder, Kizer has sleepy eyes like Weeden.
Allen has never been benched for not getting it.
Allen inspired his entire college, home town, fans, his entire team.
Allen has outstanding leadership/intangibles - his coach loves him.
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Kizer never played in a pro-style offense.
Kizer played with an excellent cast of players around him for the competition they faced.
Kizer was benched because he wasn't getting it.
Kizer had a college coach who is not an excellent coach. Kizer's coach also said he wasn't ready for the NFL and Sashi was too dumb to listen.
Kizer didn't inspire his entire team, college or town - he was benched.
Kizer hasn't shown outstanding leadership/intangibles - his coach benched him and criticized him.
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1) Who’s No. 1?
There’s no clear answer here. Darnold threw 13 interceptions, fumbled the ball 11 times and his completion percentage dipped by 4.1 percent year over year. Allen wilted against decent competition, throwing three interceptions and no touchdowns against Iowa and Oregon. Rosen had 26 touchdown passes, but UCLA sputtered to a 6-7 record on the season. (Rosen missed the blowout loss at Utah with a concussion). Nobody has distanced themselves from one another.
“I can see this thing playing out where any of the top three guys assert themselves as No. 1 at the NFL [scouting] combine,” said an area scout. “At the end of the season, Darnold and Rosen will have a chance to do it on a big stage. But if Allen was No. 1 [in April], I wouldn’t be shocked. They all have things they need to work on.”
All the above stuff on Allen is nice Cal- but none of it matters if.
I'm not ruling out Allen as a good qb- but again, you conveniently ignore the one glaring similarity Allen and Kizer share- they're inaccurate. Josh isn't in the same league in the accuracy department as that other Josh, Darnold, or Mayfield. Especially Baker- he's crazy accurate.
PS other than playing in a pro style offense the exact same could be said about Mayfield- and he played a lot higher competition than Mountain West. Except you're so hung up on character issues, you can't see the forest because of the trees.
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Explain how Allen is not just a Kizer clone.....since for both of them they appear to be big strong athletic guys.....who have trouble hitting the broad side of a barn door...according to some reports about Allen. And what about the penchant for committing turnovers? That...worse than his accuracy issues...is the downfall of Kizer.
Allen played in a pro-style offense, under an excellent coach.
Allen raised the level of competitiveness of his offense, his entire team, really, with his play
Allen plays with a chip on his shoulder, Kizer has sleepy eyes like Weeden.
Allen has never been benched for not getting it.
Allen inspired his entire college, home town, fans, his entire team.
Allen has outstanding leadership/intangibles - his coach loves him.
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Kizer never played in a pro-style offense.
Kizer played with an excellent cast of players around him for the competition they faced.
Kizer was benched because he wasn't getting it.
Kizer had a college coach who is not an excellent coach.
Kizer didn't inspire his entire team, college or town - he was benched.
Kizer hasn't shown outstanding leadership/intangibles - his coach benched him and criticized him.
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1) Who’s No. 1?
There’s no clear answer here. Darnold threw 13 interceptions, fumbled the ball 11 times and his completion percentage dipped by 4.1 percent year over year. Allen wilted against decent competition, throwing three interceptions and no touchdowns against Iowa and Oregon. Rosen had 26 touchdown passes, but UCLA sputtered to a 6-7 record on the season. (Rosen missed the blowout loss at Utah with a concussion). Nobody has distanced themselves from one another.
“I can see this thing playing out where any of the top three guys assert themselves as No. 1 at the NFL [scouting] combine,” said an area scout. “At the end of the season, Darnold and Rosen will have a chance to do it on a big stage. But if Allen was No. 1 [in April], I wouldn’t be shocked. They all have things they need to work on.”
Allen played in a pro-style offense, under an excellent coach.
Allen raised the level of competitiveness of his offense, his entire team, really, with his play
Allen plays with a chip on his shoulder, Kizer has sleepy eyes like Weeden.
Allen has never been benched for not getting it.
Allen inspired his entire college, home town, fans, his entire team.
Allen has outstanding leadership/intangibles - his coach loves him.
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Kizer never played in a pro-style offense.
Kizer played with an excellent cast of players around him for the competition they faced.
Kizer was benched because he wasn't getting it.
Kizer had a college coach who is not an excellent coach.
Kizer didn't inspire his entire team, college or town - he was benched.
Kizer hasn't shown outstanding leadership/intangibles - his coach benched him and criticized him.
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1) Who’s No. 1?
There’s no clear answer here. Darnold threw 13 interceptions, fumbled the ball 11 times and his completion percentage dipped by 4.1 percent year over year. Allen wilted against decent competition, throwing three interceptions and no touchdowns against Iowa and Oregon. Rosen had 26 touchdown passes, but UCLA sputtered to a 6-7 record on the season. (Rosen missed the blowout loss at Utah with a concussion). Nobody has distanced themselves from one another.
“I can see this thing playing out where any of the top three guys assert themselves as No. 1 at the NFL [scouting] combine,” said an area scout. “At the end of the season, Darnold and Rosen will have a chance to do it on a big stage. But if Allen was No. 1 [in April], I wouldn’t be shocked. They all have things they need to work on.”
But, through all this...the allegation that he cannot hit the broad side of a barn door is not refuted.
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Mel Kiper blows. He knows nothing about which team is taking which player, as has been proven by reviewing his past "prognostications".
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Allen played in a pro-style offense, under an excellent coach.
Allen raised the level of competitiveness of his offense, his entire team, really, with his play
Allen plays with a chip on his shoulder, Kizer has sleepy eyes like Weeden.
Allen has never been benched for not getting it.
Allen inspired his entire college, home town, fans, his entire team.
Allen has outstanding leadership/intangibles - his coach loves him.
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Kizer never played in a pro-style offense.
Kizer played with an excellent cast of players around him for the competition they faced.
Kizer was benched because he wasn't getting it.
Kizer had a college coach who is not an excellent coach.
Kizer didn't inspire his entire team, college or town - he was benched.
Kizer hasn't shown outstanding leadership/intangibles - his coach benched him and criticized him.
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1) Who’s No. 1?
There’s no clear answer here. Darnold threw 13 interceptions, fumbled the ball 11 times and his completion percentage dipped by 4.1 percent year over year. Allen wilted against decent competition, throwing three interceptions and no touchdowns against Iowa and Oregon. Rosen had 26 touchdown passes, but UCLA sputtered to a 6-7 record on the season. (Rosen missed the blowout loss at Utah with a concussion). Nobody has distanced themselves from one another.
“I can see this thing playing out where any of the top three guys assert themselves as No. 1 at the NFL [scouting] combine,” said an area scout. “At the end of the season, Darnold and Rosen will have a chance to do it on a big stage. But if Allen was No. 1 [in April], I wouldn’t be shocked. They all have things they need to work on.”
But, through all this...the allegation that he cannot hit the broad side of a barn door is not refuted.
But, through all this...the allegation that he cannot hit the broad side of a barn door is not refuted.
of course it isn't - until you watch his games, any highlight video. I mean "cannot hit the ..." and then he does it all over the highlight films. You need "el kabong" to knock some sense in to ya? Of course he can.
The allegation is simply "rah rah for the top rated brah" ya? That is as bs as showing 4 ints in a playoff game by Peyton Manning, and saying "see? he can't hit the broadside of a barn"
If all you needed was accuracy, here's your qb:
"Analysis
Strengths
XXX has an NFL-quality frame that allows him to look over the offensive line and deliver his throws without a hitch. His quick release is his strongest asset, as he consistently fires the ball with a compact throwing motion and strong delivery. The ball zips off his arm, and he has the ability to fit it in any tight space. He is "all of the above" in terms of being a mature, poised leader. He is an accurate passer on throws short and long, and he has that gunslinger mentality to go for the deep ball when it's an option. He understands route progressions and throwing the ball to allow his receiver to make a play." -
Allen played in a pro-style offense, under an excellent coach.
Allen raised the level of competitiveness of his offense, his entire team, really, with his play
Allen plays with a chip on his shoulder, Kizer has sleepy eyes like Weeden.
Allen has never been benched for not getting it.
Allen inspired his entire college, home town, fans, his entire team.
Allen has outstanding leadership/intangibles - his coach loves him.
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Kizer never played in a pro-style offense.
Kizer played with an excellent cast of players around him for the competition they faced.
Kizer was benched because he wasn't getting it.
Kizer had a college coach who is not an excellent coach. Kizer's coach also said he wasn't ready for the NFL and Sashi was too dumb to listen.
Kizer didn't inspire his entire team, college or town - he was benched.
Kizer hasn't shown outstanding leadership/intangibles - his coach benched him and criticized him.
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1) Who’s No. 1?
There’s no clear answer here. Darnold threw 13 interceptions, fumbled the ball 11 times and his completion percentage dipped by 4.1 percent year over year. Allen wilted against decent competition, throwing three interceptions and no touchdowns against Iowa and Oregon. Rosen had 26 touchdown passes, but UCLA sputtered to a 6-7 record on the season. (Rosen missed the blowout loss at Utah with a concussion). Nobody has distanced themselves from one another.
“I can see this thing playing out where any of the top three guys assert themselves as No. 1 at the NFL [scouting] combine,” said an area scout. “At the end of the season, Darnold and Rosen will have a chance to do it on a big stage. But if Allen was No. 1 [in April], I wouldn’t be shocked. They all have things they need to work on.”
All the above stuff on Allen is nice Cal- but none of it matters if.
I'm not ruling out Allen as a good qb- but again, you conveniently ignore the one glaring similarity Allen and Kizer share- they're inaccurate. Josh isn't in the same league in the accuracy department as that other Josh, Darnold, or Mayfield. Especially Baker- he's crazy accurate.
PS other than playing in a pro style offense the exact same could be said about Mayfield- and he played a lot higher competition than Mountain West. Except you're so hung up on character issues, you can't see the forest because of the trees.
guess who that qb was?
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/profiles/brandon-weeden?id=2532970
PS other than playing in a pro style offense the exact same could be said about Mayfield- and he played a lot higher competition than Mountain West. Except you're so hung up on character issues, you can't see the forest because of the trees.
nah. so there ya go. Brandon Weedon was your superstar accurate passer with awesome girly stats. congrats, hoopla.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/8/2/15986274/lincoln-riley-oklahoma-sooners-offense
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I'm sure the use of the words "highlight films" is lost on you.
I question Allen's ball placement and it was one of the first things that stood out when watching the Utah State game.
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I'm sure the use of the words "highlight films" is lost on you.
I question Allen's ball placement and it was one of the first things that stood out when watching the Utah State game.
I'm sure the use of the words "highlight films" is lost on you.
I question Allen's ball placement and it was one of the first things that stood out when watching the Utah State game.
and as usual, you are wrong. Perhaps the definition of "can't" is lost on you.
can'tkant/contractionmodal verb: can't-
cannot.
Therefore, if I throw a football at a barn from 30 yards away, and I hit it once out of ten times, it is inaccurate to say I cannot hit the barn. What would be accurate, is to say I'm not able to hit it all the time. If a qb throws even one perfectly thrown pass, he CAN hit the broadside of a barn, he just may not do it often.
Therefore, your curt retort misses the point. Are you unable to hit the broadside of a point? Sure you can - you just missed this time.
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guess who that qb was?
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/profiles/brandon-weeden?id=2532970
PS other than playing in a pro style offense the exact same could be said about Mayfield- and he played a lot higher competition than Mountain West. Except you're so hung up on character issues, you can't see the forest because of the trees.
nah. so there ya go. Brandon Weedon was your superstar accurate passer with awesome girly stats. congrats, hoopla.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/8/2/15986274/lincoln-riley-oklahoma-sooners-offense
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/8/2/15986274/lincoln-riley-oklahoma-sooners-offense
sorry cal,Tia won't let me get excited about Riley coaching the Browns..Luckily we already failed with Chip Kelly before Chip did at Philly..good read though..gonna miss Mayfield in Lincoln's offense
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guess who that qb was?
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/profiles/brandon-weeden?id=2532970
PS other than playing in a pro style offense the exact same could be said about Mayfield- and he played a lot higher competition than Mountain West. Except you're so hung up on character issues, you can't see the forest because of the trees.
nah. so there ya go. Brandon Weedon was your superstar accurate passer with awesome girly stats. congrats, hoopla.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/8/2/15986274/lincoln-riley-oklahoma-sooners-offense
guess who that qb was?
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/profiles/brandon-weeden?id=2532970
nah. so there ya go. Brandon Weedon was your superstar accurate passer with awesome girly stats. congrats, hoopla.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/8/2/15986274/lincoln-riley-oklahoma-sooners-offense
Go ahead Cal- how long did it take you to find the outlier? Inaccurate in college= 9\10 times inaccurate in the pros.
of course it isn't - until you watch his games, any highlight video. I mean "cannot hit the ..." and then he does it all over the highlight films. You need "el kabong" to knock some sense in to ya? Of course he can.
The allegation is simply "rah rah for the top rated brah" ya? That is as bs as showing 4 ints in a playoff game by Peyton Manning, and saying "see? he can't hit the broadside of a barn"
If all you needed was accuracy, here's your qb:
"Analysis
Strengths
XXX has an NFL-quality frame that allows him to look over the offensive line and deliver his throws without a hitch. His quick release is his strongest asset, as he consistently fires the ball with a compact throwing motion and strong delivery. The ball zips off his arm, and he has the ability to fit it in any tight space. He is "all of the above" in terms of being a mature, poised leader. He is an accurate passer on throws short and long, and he has that gunslinger mentality to go for the deep ball when it's an option. He understands route progressions and throwing the ball to allow his receiver to make a play."
An accurate passer with a 56% completion rate in college-compared to Mayfield's 70%+ You quoting Wee-Done, get the f outta here.
so his receivers were dropping every other pass? Don't think so. I watched his games Cal, he's inaccurate as hell (you have as much rose colored glasses on on this guy as Po does on Barkley)- don't bring up Manning or anyone else. Highlight films mean crap, as tia just pointed out. Kizer's highlights were freaking spectacular too... $hit, you want me to drag up Kizer's 2017 "highlight" reel from 2017 with the Browns? You'd swear to God, he's the second coming of Brett Favre. Screw highlights without a fair and balanced look at the lowlights.... I just might do that for kicks and giggles... .
Finally- quit arguing with me about the merits of your Dreamboat, Mother Hen. I've already told you (around 10X) I have a big pro Wyoming bias. If I honestly thought Allen was all that hot, I'd share your feelings. I don't and he's not.
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I have the same concerns you do about Allen, how much of his accuracy issues are him versus the receivers he has and the protection he gets. If his 56% is what it really is, we should pass.
Explain how Allen is not just a Kizer clone.....since for both of them they appear to be big strong athletic guys.....who have trouble hitting the broad side of a barn door...according to some reports about Allen. And what about the penchant for committing turnovers? That...worse than his accuracy issues...is the downfall of Kizer.
Explain how Allen is not just a Kizer clone.....since for both of them they appear to be big strong athletic guys.....who have trouble hitting the broad side of a barn door...according to some reports about Allen. And what about the penchant for committing turnovers? That...worse than his accuracy issues...is the downfall of Kizer.
I haven't seen much of Allen so if he isn't accurate then pass on him, we already have plenty of QBs onthe roster with accuracy issues.
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