Cousins would "seriously consider" the Browns
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I do subscribe to the camp that stud RBs can be had in R2/3 ... so a QB/FS combo there at 1/4 followed by an RB at 33 is just as logical if not the way to go.
at #33, add in the mix that if the #2 or #3 LT drops to us we may need to start taking JT's replacement..Tour have ya worked up your last canidate after Orlando Brown worth considering at #33? CB's & Tackle seem like a light draft class
at #33, add in the mix that if the #2 or #3 LT drops to us we may need to start taking JT's replacement..Tour have ya worked up your last canidate after Orlando Brown worth considering at #33?
The way I see it is you "easily" get 4 starters with 1 - 4 - 33 - 35 ... obviously FA can impact this. But all the picks in the 3rd and 4th round should be seen as depth/contributors at the very least but not necessarily immediate impact guys. QB - FS - RB - OT would be how I'd draw it up. I think you can address CB & WR in free agency for immediate impacts then draft their depth in the 3rd and 4th. And if you somehow managed to add Bell in FA if he gets out of Pittsburgh then even better. I do think having so much young talent and cap space will allow a true BPA approach to the draft.
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Why would you spend a third of your salary cap on a barely competitive QB? His career record is average. His performance in primetime games sucks. His arm is average. Poor in the redzone. He's all stats with NO results. He gets the Browns to 8-8 maybe. Pass.
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I don’t think Barkley falls to #4 but I don’t think there’s anything wrong going Barkley at #1 and taking a QB at #4. Giants take Darnold and maybe the Jets trade up for Rosen but you still get your choice of Jackson/Allen/Mayfield at #4 in a “worst case” scenario. But with Jackson/Allen/Mayfield all there I could see teams standing pat and not trading up to #3, giving the Browns Rosen.
I don’t think Barkley falls to #4 but I don’t think there’s anything wrong going Barkley at #1 and taking a QB at #4. Giants take Darnold and maybe the Jets trade up for Rosen but you still get your choice of Jackson/Allen/Mayfield at #4 in a “worst case” scenario. But with Jackson/Allen/Mayfield all there I could see teams standing pat and not trading up to #3, giving the Browns Rosen.
I don't believe you wait till #4 to take your choice of what is left of the QBs, the Browns have to know which QB they want take him at #1 then let the cards fall at #4
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Why would you spend a third of your salary cap on a barely competitive QB? His career record is average. His performance in primetime games sucks. His arm is average. Poor in the redzone. He's all stats with NO results. He gets the Browns to 8-8 maybe. Pass.
Why would you spend a third of your salary cap on a barely competitive QB? His career record is average. His performance in primetime games sucks. His arm is average. Poor in the redzone. He's all stats with NO results. He gets the Browns to 8-8 maybe. Pass.
So hes a player who can come in and win us 8 games (potentially getting us into the playoffs), that's exactly what I'm looking for.
I can't believe there are so many browns fans on here that are like ," I don't want him, he only wins 8 games a season". Are you guys forgettng it usually takes 3 seasons for us to get 8 wins?
If you don't think he's a top 10-12 QB who isnt going to have us contending for the playoffs, I understand not wanting to pay that money. I don't know what makes you think that but I get it
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Why would you spend a third of your salary cap on a barely competitive QB? His career record is average. His performance in primetime games sucks. His arm is average. Poor in the redzone. He's all stats with NO results. He gets the Browns to 8-8 maybe. Pass.
So hes a player who can come in and win us 8 games (potentially getting us into the playoffs), that's exactly what I'm looking for.
I can't believe there are so many browns fans on here that are like ," I don't want him, he only wins 8 games a season". Are you guys forgettng it usually takes 3 seasons for us to get 8 wins?
If you don't think he's a top 10-12 QB who isnt going to have us contending for the playoffs, I understand not wanting to pay that money. I don't know what makes you think that but I get it
So hes a player who can come in and win us 8 games (potentially getting us into the playoffs), that's exactly what I'm looking for.
I can't believe there are so many browns fans on here that are like ," I don't want him, he only wins 8 games a season". Are you guys forgettng it usually takes 3 seasons for us to get 8 wins?
If you don't think he's a top 10-12 QB who isnt going to have us contending for the playoffs, I understand not wanting to pay that money. I don't know what makes you think that but I get it
Are you even listening to what several Redskins fans are saying? You've set the bar too low, if 8 wins is your goal. Looks like you're ready to have a parade for that level of mediocrity. For example, 50 miles south of Dayton where Dandy Andy Dalton (with a stellar supporting cast- there's a good comparison) is just barely good enough to make the playoffs, and go one and done. I want better than that.To pay Kirk that kind of money, I want Rodgers, Brady, Rothlisberger good. Reports from Washington- sorry to bust your bubble- say Cousins isn't in that league- though he's probably going to get paid like he is.
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Redskins fans are stuck. Like you for so long we just wanted stability and a good option. We now have that ... and hes good and made us consistent. We were so bad the past 2 years from the lack of draft picks and this year had a ton of injuries so it’s hard to say whether it’s Cousins or the team. We are now bored with .500 and want “the next step” and whether that includes cousins or not ... no one knows. Cousins very well could be elite with talent around him. He just hasn’t had much to work with in DC.
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So hes a player who can come in and win us 8 games (potentially getting us into the playoffs), that's exactly what I'm looking for.
I can't believe there are so many browns fans on here that are like ," I don't want him, he only wins 8 games a season". Are you guys forgettng it usually takes 3 seasons for us to get 8 wins?
If you don't think he's a top 10-12 QB who isnt going to have us contending for the playoffs, I understand not wanting to pay that money. I don't know what makes you think that but I get it
Are you even listening to what several Redskins fans are saying? You've set the bar too low, if 8 wins is your goal. Looks like you're ready to have a parade for that level of mediocrity. For example, 50 miles south of Dayton where Dandy Andy Dalton (with a stellar supporting cast- there's a good comparison) is just barely good enough to make the playoffs, and go one and done. I want better than that.To pay Kirk that kind of money, I want Rodgers, Brady, Rothlisberger good. Reports from Washington- sorry to bust your bubble- say Cousins isn't in that league- though he's probably going to get paid like he is.
Are you even listening to what several Redskins fans are saying? You've set the bar too low, if 8 wins is your goal. Looks like you're ready to have a parade for that level of mediocrity. For example, 50 miles south of Dayton where Dandy Andy Dalton (with a stellar supporting cast- there's a good comparison) is just barely good enough to make the playoffs, and go one and done. I want better than that.To pay Kirk that kind of money, I want Rodgers, Brady, Rothlisberger good. Reports from Washington- sorry to bust your bubble- say Cousins isn't in that league- though he's probably going to get paid like he is.
I never said he was in that league, but he is a top 10-12 guy and he can get us to the playoffs.
We're a rebuilding team and the bar is too low? What if our draft pick sucks? Alex Smith isn't going to make this team much better. So we suffer for 3 more years instead of watching a competent offense.
We have talent in this team, and we should get a ton more this off-season. Cousins could make us contenders in the AFCN with in a year or 2. I'm tired of Cleveland being the laughing stock of the NFL. Let's bring in the best talent available and win some games
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Redskins fans are stuck. Like you for so long we just wanted stability and a good option. We now have that ... and hes good and made us consistent. We were so bad the past 2 years from the lack of draft picks and this year had a ton of injuries so it’s hard to say whether it’s Cousins or the team. We are now bored with .500 and want “the next step” and whether that includes cousins or not ... no one knows. Cousins very well could be elite with talent around him. He just hasn’t had much to work with in DC.
Redskins fans are stuck. Like you for so long we just wanted stability and a good option. We now have that ... and hes good and made us consistent. We were so bad the past 2 years from the lack of draft picks and this year had a ton of injuries so it’s hard to say whether it’s Cousins or the team. We are now bored with .500 and want “the next step” and whether that includes cousins or not ... no one knows. Cousins very well could be elite with talent around him. He just hasn’t had much to work with in DC.
No kidding. There are very few quarterbacks in the league that can rise a substandard team to a playoff team. And a playoff team is usually pretty damn good no matter which quarterback is under Center as long as he's decent. Look at the Eagles the Vikings and the Jaguars.
I don't doubt that Kirk Cousins could be competent it's just that I don't want to skip on a top prospect to get him here.
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Redskins fans are stuck. Like you for so long we just wanted stability and a good option. We now have that ... and hes good and made us consistent. We were so bad the past 2 years from the lack of draft picks and this year had a ton of injuries so it’s hard to say whether it’s Cousins or the team. We are now bored with .500 and want “the next step” and whether that includes cousins or not ... no one knows. Cousins very well could be elite with talent around him. He just hasn’t had much to work with in DC.
No kidding. There are very few quarterbacks in the league that can rise a substandard team to a playoff team. And a playoff team is usually pretty damn good no matter which quarterback is under Center as long as he's decent. Look at the Eagles the Vikings and the Jaguars.
I don't doubt that Kirk Cousins could be competent it's just that I don't want to skip on a top prospect to get him here.
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I don't doubt that Kirk Cousins could be competent it's just that I don't want to skip on a top prospect to get him here.
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There’s only so many elite talents. If you think Rosen or Darnold can elevate to be a Top 3-5 QB you just draft them and have them for “cheap” for 5 years. If you’re not sure, Cousins is at least a known commodity to a certain extent and is only 28.
If you put Cousins on the Jags, Vikings or Broncos they all would likely have been SB contenders.
I will say, given how bad the Skins defense has been the last 3 years ... and how awful our offensive weapons were this year ... Cousins needs to get a ton of credit. He certainly didn’t elevate the team to playoff caliber but he was close, and the team was ravaged by injuries and he didn’t have a legit 1 or 2 WR. Like I said, I think he can get a team to the title but he won’t “carry” anyone. He makes a bad team .500 ... and would make a decent team playoff caliber. Just hard to say how high his ceiling will be.
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Cousins is a goody two-shoes nerd who's too soft to win a big game. Make him the highest paid player? No way. Dude folds under pressure. He doesn't have the "it" factor to justify a massive payday. Nice guys get stepped on. He's a nice guy.
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Are you even listening to what several Redskins fans are saying? You've set the bar too low, if 8 wins is your goal. Looks like you're ready to have a parade for that level of mediocrity. For example, 50 miles south of Dayton where Dandy Andy Dalton (with a stellar supporting cast- there's a good comparison) is just barely good enough to make the playoffs, and go one and done. I want better than that.To pay Kirk that kind of money, I want Rodgers, Brady, Rothlisberger good. Reports from Washington- sorry to bust your bubble- say Cousins isn't in that league- though he's probably going to get paid like he is.
I never said he was in that league, but he is a top 10-12 guy and he can get us to the playoffs.
We're a rebuilding team and the bar is too low? What if our draft pick sucks? Alex Smith isn't going to make this team much better. So we suffer for 3 more years instead of watching a competent offense.
We have talent in this team, and we should get a ton more this off-season. Cousins could make us contenders in the AFCN with in a year or 2. I'm tired of Cleveland being the laughing stock of the NFL. Let's bring in the best talent available and win some games
I never said he was in that league, but he is a top 10-12 guy and he can get us to the playoffs.
We're a rebuilding team and the bar is too low? What if our draft pick sucks? Alex Smith isn't going to make this team much better. So we suffer for 3 more years instead of watching a competent offense.
We have talent in this team, and we should get a ton more this off-season. Cousins could make us contenders in the AFCN with in a year or 2. I'm tired of Cleveland being the laughing stock of the NFL. Let's bring in the best talent available and win some games
Obviously you weren't listening when I directed a comment in your direction. You want wins- any wins- and screw the long term consequences.
Regarding top 10-12 guys so is Alex Smith. Man- you just want Cousins so bad, you can't even see there's other options out there. Cousins is not significantly better than Smith, and sorry if you're totally in denial about that. Smith can get us to the same place- without the long term commitment.
Two years of Smith- $45 million max. Cousins $95 million guaranteed minimum- for the same level of talent. You just flunked accounting 101.
+++ Apparently you're afraid we're going to mess up another #1 overall QB pick.
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https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/29/joe-thomas-i-would-actually-sign-kirk-cousins/
Cleveland Browns left tackle Joe Thomas has not been shy about expressing his opinions on all things lately, including the future of the troublesome quarterback position in Cleveland. Thomas weighed in with an interesting choice about the Browns QB options during an appearance on ESPN’s Golic and Wingo show.
“We have $118 million in cap space. So we’ve got plenty of money to do whatever we want,” Thomas told Golic and Wingo last week. “But I would actually sign Kirk Cousins and then I would use the first and fourth pick on the best players available.”
Who does Thomas have in mind for those picks?
“Probably Saquon Barkley and one of the defensive players. I’m not exactly sure where they go, where they rank all the quarterbacks. But, for me, I would rather sign Kirk Cousins because we have the money. Then you don’t have to trade a draft pick for a guy like Alex Smith.”
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Looks like Joe's switching horses since it looks like Drew Brees isn't coming to Cleveland anytime soon.
On Cousins... there were some comments that make up my take. His redzone performance concerns me. His price tag promises to be way out of line with his W/L impact.
As for the Cousins/Smith debate... In 2017 Smith was the league's top QB in deep throw efficiency... something both Hue and Todd value.
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I never said he was in that league, but he is a top 10-12 guy and he can get us to the playoffs.
We're a rebuilding team and the bar is too low? What if our draft pick sucks? Alex Smith isn't going to make this team much better. So we suffer for 3 more years instead of watching a competent offense.
We have talent in this team, and we should get a ton more this off-season. Cousins could make us contenders in the AFCN with in a year or 2. I'm tired of Cleveland being the laughing stock of the NFL. Let's bring in the best talent available and win some games
Obviously you weren't listening when I directed a comment in your direction. You want wins- any wins- and screw the long term consequences.
Regarding top 10-12 guys so is Alex Smith. Man- you just want Cousins so bad, you can't even see there's other options out there. Cousins is not significantly better than Smith, and sorry if you're totally in denial about that. Smith can get us to the same place- without the long term commitment.
Two years of Smith- $45 million max. Cousins $95 million guaranteed minimum- for the same level of talent. You just flunked accounting 101.
+++ Apparently you're afraid we're going to mess up another #1 overall QB pick.
Obviously you weren't listening when I directed a comment in your direction. You want wins- any wins- and screw the long term consequences.
Regarding top 10-12 guys so is Alex Smith. Man- you just want Cousins so bad, you can't even see there's other options out there. Cousins is not significantly better than Smith, and sorry if you're totally in denial about that. Smith can get us to the same place- without the long term commitment.
Two years of Smith- $45 million max. Cousins $95 million guaranteed minimum- for the same level of talent. You just flunked accounting 101.
+++ Apparently you're afraid we're going to mess up another #1 overall QB pick.
Cousins isn't significantly better? How many games do you think Smith would have won if he was in Washington? Cousins didnt have Travis Kelce, Tyreek Hill, Kareem Hunt, or a top notch defense. Somehow how he put up better numbers evert year.
I'm not trying to make Cousins something he's not, hes good, not elite. On the other hand you are making a case for a guy that only plays well in the right system surrounded with top level talent. We don't run that kind of offense and we don't have that level of talent.
We could still take a QB 1st overall if we feel that he is the best option. Cousins will likely get a 5 year deal with little garuntees in the last 2 years of the deal. The guy we draft will have a 4 year deal with a 5th year option. So if cousins gives us 3 years of breathing room while we develop our guy we could potentially move him with little cap damage and have out QB of the future. Isn't that what you want from Smith? This way we get a better player who has shown he can win on a team of our caliber
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Looks like Joe's switching horses since it looks like Drew Brees isn't coming to Cleveland anytime soon.
On Cousins... there were some comments that make up my take. His redzone performance concerns me. His price tag promises to be way out of line with his W/L impact.
As for the Cousins/Smith debate... In 2017 Smith was the league's top QB in deep throw efficiency... something both Hue and Todd value.
Looks like Joe's switching horses since it looks like Drew Brees isn't coming to Cleveland anytime soon.
On Cousins... there were some comments that make up my take. His redzone performance concerns me. His price tag promises to be way out of line with his W/L impact.
As for the Cousins/Smith debate... In 2017 Smith was the league's top QB in deep throw efficiency... something both Hue and Todd value.
2017 is a good indicator of Smith's play style. He's been in the league for a long time and he's a well known dink and dunk kind of guy. It's hard to belive he developed the deep ball at 33 years old.
Money shouldn't be an issue if you have more than enough and the player wins games.
Cousins redzone # arent thagt bad. He definitely has room for improvement but it may have something to do with his recivers being on the smaller side. Cousins primary targets have been Crowder, Garcon, Desean Jackson, Jordan Reed. None of these guys are particularly good red zone targets. Even their TE Reed is in the shorter side and plays like a possesson receiver.
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Obviously you weren't listening when I directed a comment in your direction. You want wins- any wins- and screw the long term consequences.
Regarding top 10-12 guys so is Alex Smith. Man- you just want Cousins so bad, you can't even see there's other options out there. Cousins is not significantly better than Smith, and sorry if you're totally in denial about that. Smith can get us to the same place- without the long term commitment.
Two years of Smith- $45 million max. Cousins $95 million guaranteed minimum- for the same level of talent. You just flunked accounting 101.
+++ Apparently you're afraid we're going to mess up another #1 overall QB pick.
Cousins isn't significantly better? How many games do you think Smith would have won if he was in Washington? Cousins didnt have Travis Kelce, Tyreek Hill, Kareem Hunt, or a top notch defense. Somehow how he put up better numbers evert year.
I'm not trying to make Cousins something he's not, hes good, not elite. On the other hand you are making a case for a guy that only plays well in the right system surrounded with top level talent. We don't run that kind of offense and we don't have that level of talent.
We could still take a QB 1st overall if we feel that he is the best option. Cousins will likely get a 5 year deal with little garuntees in the last 2 years of the deal. The guy we draft will have a 4 year deal with a 5th year option. So if cousins gives us 3 years of breathing room while we develop our guy we could potentially move him with little cap damage and have out QB of the future. Isn't that what you want from Smith? This way we get a better player who has shown he can win on a team of our caliber
I'm not trying to make Cousins something he's not, hes good, not elite. On the other hand you are making a case for a guy that only plays well in the right system surrounded with top level talent. We don't run that kind of offense and we don't have that level of talent.
We could still take a QB 1st overall if we feel that he is the best option. Cousins will likely get a 5 year deal with little garuntees in the last 2 years of the deal. The guy we draft will have a 4 year deal with a 5th year option. So if cousins gives us 3 years of breathing room while we develop our guy we could potentially move him with little cap damage and have out QB of the future. Isn't that what you want from Smith? This way we get a better player who has shown he can win on a team of our caliber
That's where we'll have to disagree. You're willing to pay a "good" player "elite" money. Said it before, bad economics. Cousins a better player? His potential contract is "face of the Franchise". If you're going to stick to your guns that Cousins is better, I'm not going to debate you anymore on that. Ha, so exactly how many more wins is Cousins good for than Smith at twice the price? Two? Let Denver take the guy for a one last shot at the SB. @ 30 years old really think he's going to want to walk into a multi year rebuild with the Browns?
2017 is a good indicator of Smith's play style. He's been in the league for a long time and he's a well known dink and dunk kind of guy. It's hard to belive he developed the deep ball at 33 years old.
Money shouldn't be an issue if you have more than enough and the player wins games.
Cousins redzone # arent thagt bad. He definitely has room for improvement but it may have something to do with his recivers being on the smaller side. Cousins primary targets have been Crowder, Garcon, Desean Jackson, Jordan Reed. None of these guys are particularly good red zone targets. Even their TE Reed is in the shorter side and plays like a possesson receiver.
Yeah, I'd like to see wins too. Seeing a lot of them next year with Cousins is about as likely as Jimmy giving me a 50% price break on my season tickets.
Money is an issue if you don't want to put your team in cap hell down the road. I'll give you a couple fer instances. Garrett turns into another Bruce Smith- got some space for a Suh contract? Gordon reverts to his pro bowl form and stays off of drugs = top 5 WR money. We're going to have a bunch of guys a few years down the road coming off their rookie deals- (like Schobert) and if we want to keep them, we had better have the cap room to do so.
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Looks like Joe's switching horses since it looks like Drew Brees isn't coming to Cleveland anytime soon.
On Cousins... there were some comments that make up my take. His redzone performance concerns me. His price tag promises to be way out of line with his W/L impact.
As for the Cousins/Smith debate... In 2017 Smith was the league's top QB in deep throw efficiency... something both Hue and Todd value.
2017 is a good indicator of Smith's play style. He's been in the league for a long time and he's a well known dink and dunk kind of guy. It's hard to belive he developed the deep ball at 33 years old.
Money shouldn't be an issue if you have more than enough and the player wins games.
Cousins redzone # arent thagt bad. He definitely has room for improvement but it may have something to do with his recivers being on the smaller side. Cousins primary targets have been Crowder, Garcon, Desean Jackson, Jordan Reed. None of these guys are particularly good red zone targets. Even their TE Reed is in the shorter side and plays like a possesson receiver.
2017 is a good indicator of Smith's play style. He's been in the league for a long time and he's a well known dink and dunk kind of guy. It's hard to belive he developed the deep ball at 33 years old.
Money shouldn't be an issue if you have more than enough and the player wins games.
Cousins redzone # arent thagt bad. He definitely has room for improvement but it may have something to do with his recivers being on the smaller side. Cousins primary targets have been Crowder, Garcon, Desean Jackson, Jordan Reed. None of these guys are particularly good red zone targets. Even their TE Reed is in the shorter side and plays like a possesson receiver.
Could be that Smith had untapped deep ball ability all along.
Quickest way I can think of to make all that cap space disappear is to start by overpaying a QB.
In 2016 Cousins was the 3rd worst full time starter in redzone completion percentage at 44%. In 2017 he rose to T-7th worst at 50%. He did have a good 2015, his first full season, when his 60% clip put him in the top 5.
His 2016 showing inspired the following November article...
Kirk Cousins has been the NFL’s worst red zone QB, and it’s not close
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Cousins is an established loser. Give a rookie a shot. Maybe he actually wins a playoff game.
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We have 118 million in cap space. If we spend 30m on a QB we still have a ton of cap space. We could make Garrett and Gordon the highest paid players at their positions and still have enough money to bring in some free agents. Not to mention were going to lose other players in the next couple of years like Thomas, McCourty, and others who don't live up to their contract or aren't good fits.
Spending on a QB won't hurt us unless we get carried away in free agency. Getting a QB is the easiest way to get wins and Cousins wins games.
I know I'm coming off as Cousins fan boy, but I'm not. I am anti- Smith because I've watched him play since he was drafted. He would be a waste of money that won't get us in a position to get into the playoffs. If your looking for someone to take lumps until the rookie is ready just throw Kizer out there. It won't cost us anything and we weren't going to the playoffs anyway
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