Indians To Stop Using Chief Wahoo Logo In Their Uniforms in 2019
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It should be done because the Cleveland Indians organization wanted it to be done. It wasn’t the government telling them what to do, it was a business decision made by the owners. End of discussion.
Clearly not all fans loved it. If all fans loved it, it would’ve stayed. The owners deemed it more profitable to get rid of it, because there were enough fans that didn’t like it. Simple business decision. That’s how you run a business that stays afloat.
So the guy who thinks we're too PC doesn't think it's stupid to pander to the people who are too PC. That's the "logical response." Got it.
So the guy who thinks we're too PC doesn't think it's stupid to pander to the people who are too PC. That's the "logical response." Got it.
The way I see it....the guys who don't want it gone don't really give a rat's arse about the logo itself. They are just upset that perhaps political correctness has taken hold to extinguish a racial stereotype.
Which means either: A. they like that it is racially insensitive...or B. they don't care if it is or isn't....they just want to maintain it so that "PC culture" or some nonsense does not prevail.
Hardly anyone here has lived as long as I have with Chief Wahoo...and I have and do own numeous articles of paraphenalia with that logo on it...including hats, shirts, jackets etc. No one here practically has had as long a term attachment to it.
But, it is not that big of a deal to me if it is gone. It is...when it comes down to it....just a marketing gimmick. And marketing gimmicks come and go...and if this one goes...so be it. Just tell me what the next one is.
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By the way......the logo is ONLY no longer going to appear on the players uniforms and on the stadium walls. It is not disappearing.....the Indians are not giving it up as a marketing tool...they are just limiting it. They will still produce and sell paraphenalia with the logo on it....including in all the team shops in the stadium and elsewhere.
You should still be fully capable of buying a hat, T-shirt, key chain, etc. etc. etc. with Chief Wahoo on it. It just won't be on the players uniforms.
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Your a 'millennial' nuff said.
See, you’re further proving my point. “You’re a millennial” is not a logical argument against this. You’re just a grumpy old man. Prove otherwise, or you’re just playing identity politics. You’re better than this.
You won’t give me a logical response, because there is none.
See, you’re further proving my point. “You’re a millennial” is not a logical argument against this. You’re just a grumpy old man. Prove otherwise, or you’re just playing identity politics. You’re better than this.
(Uhm...no, he isn't. You haven't been around...that is exactly what he does/is.
You won’t give me a logical response, because there is none.
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First the Browns are forced to take the logo off their helmets, and now THIS?
Yes, considering that the Browns are allegedly named after Joe Louis....The Brown Bomber....(i.e. the Negro/African-American Bomber)....they too are named after a racial group.
So, refresh my memory...what did that Browns logo look like. A little Black Samboish?
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Interestingly....Bob Feller there looks like he could have been the model for that.
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Your a 'millennial' nuff said.
See, you’re further proving my point. “You’re a millennial” is not a logical argument against this. You’re just a grumpy old man. Prove otherwise, or you’re just playing identity politics. You’re better than this.
You won’t give me a logical response, because there is none.
See, you’re further proving my point. “You’re a millennial” is not a logical argument against this. You’re just a grumpy old man. Prove otherwise, or you’re just playing identity politics. You’re better than this.
You won’t give me a logical response, because there is none.
Remember to substitute the word idiot for millennial.
WSS
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See, you’re further proving my point. “You’re a millennial” is not a logical argument against this. You’re just a grumpy old man. Prove otherwise, or you’re just playing identity politics. You’re better than this.
You won’t give me a logical response, because there is none.
Remember to substitute the word idiot for millennial.
WSS
Remember to substitute the word idiot for millennial.
WSS
Yep. Tradition means nothing to these fools. These damned logo cry babies need to show their contempt for Ohio being NUMBER 1 in the nation in Heroin abuse & also address teen suicides. Those are REAL PROBLEMS you fukkin dweebs! Address THOSE!!!
Mike
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So the guy who thinks we're too PC doesn't think it's stupid to pander to the people who are too PC. That's the "logical response." Got it.
When did I ever say you’re too PC? I said America is too PC.
There is a distinct difference. Take for example the new lawsuit “Walmart is racist” because they lock up the black hair care products due to theft. There is a hard line reason to keep the black hair products locked up. If Walmart caves and takes the locks off, THAT’S pandering to PC people. There is no hard line reason to keep Chief Wahoo.
When did I ever say you’re too PC? I said America is too PC.
There is a distinct difference. Take for example the new lawsuit “Walmart is racist” because they lock up the black hair care products due to theft. There is a hard line reason to keep the black hair products locked up. If Walmart caves and takes the locks off, THAT’S pandering to PC people. There is no hard line reason to keep Chief Wahoo.
I was using we're as a general term since I'm American. You clearly have no problem with PC culture winning out, so please don't lie to us and say you do.
The notion that Chief Wahoo is racist is equally as dumb as your Wal-Mart example (in fact it's more dumb since Walmart might actually broach up against civil rights laws [don't know or particularly care]).
This is anecdotal but I follow about 5 Indians pages on facebook. Not a single comment or reaction to this that I've seen is positive. Literally hundreds of comments I've seen are all negative. So yeah, your argument about the fans is wrong. And if you polled MLB fans generally, I bet they'd be pro-Wahoo too. So which fans are you talking about?
The way I see it....the guys who don't want it gone don't really give a rat's arse about the logo itself. They are just upset that perhaps political correctness has taken hold to extinguish a racial stereotype.
Which means either: A. they like that it is racially insensitive...or B. they don't care if it is or isn't....they just want to maintain it so that "PC culture" or some nonsense does not prevail.
Hardly anyone here has lived as long as I have with Chief Wahoo...and I have and do own numeous articles of paraphenalia with that logo on it...including hats, shirts, jackets etc. No one here practically has had as long a term attachment to it.
But, it is not that big of a deal to me if it is gone. It is...when it comes down to it....just a marketing gimmick. And marketing gimmicks come and go...and if this one goes...so be it. Just tell me what the next one is.
Wrong. I have always told my friends that it was the best logo in sports. Nice try though.
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When did I ever say you’re too PC? I said America is too PC.
There is a distinct difference. Take for example the new lawsuit “Walmart is racist” because they lock up the black hair care products due to theft. There is a hard line reason to keep the black hair products locked up. If Walmart caves and takes the locks off, THAT’S pandering to PC people. There is no hard line reason to keep Chief Wahoo.
I was using we're as a general term since I'm American. You clearly have no problem with PC culture winning out, so please don't lie to us and say you do.
The notion that Chief Wahoo is racist is equally as dumb as your Wal-Mart example (in fact it's more dumb since Walmart might actually broach up against civil rights laws [don't know or particularly care]).
This is anecdotal but I follow about 5 Indians pages on facebook. Not a single comment or reaction to this that I've seen is positive. Literally hundreds of comments I've seen are all negative. So yeah, your argument about the fans is wrong. And if you polled MLB fans generally, I bet they'd be pro-Wahoo too. So which fans are you talking about?
The way I see it....the guys who don't want it gone don't really give a rat's arse about the logo itself. They are just upset that perhaps political correctness has taken hold to extinguish a racial stereotype.
Which means either: A. they like that it is racially insensitive...or B. they don't care if it is or isn't....they just want to maintain it so that "PC culture" or some nonsense does not prevail.
Hardly anyone here has lived as long as I have with Chief Wahoo...and I have and do own numeous articles of paraphenalia with that logo on it...including hats, shirts, jackets etc. No one here practically has had as long a term attachment to it.
But, it is not that big of a deal to me if it is gone. It is...when it comes down to it....just a marketing gimmick. And marketing gimmicks come and go...and if this one goes...so be it. Just tell me what the next one is.
Wrong. I have always told my friends that it was the best logo in sports. Nice try though.
Wrong. I have always told my friends that it was the best logo in sports. Nice try though.
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When did I ever say you’re too PC? I said America is too PC.
There is a distinct difference. Take for example the new lawsuit “Walmart is racist” because they lock up the black hair care products due to theft. There is a hard line reason to keep the black hair products locked up. If Walmart caves and takes the locks off, THAT’S pandering to PC people. There is no hard line reason to keep Chief Wahoo.
I was using we're as a general term since I'm American. You clearly have no problem with PC culture winning out, so please don't lie to us and say you do.
The notion that Chief Wahoo is racist is equally as dumb as your Wal-Mart example (in fact it's more dumb since Walmart might actually broach up against civil rights laws [don't know or particularly care]).
This is anecdotal but I follow about 5 Indians pages on facebook. Not a single comment or reaction to this that I've seen is positive. Literally hundreds of comments I've seen are all negative. So yeah, your argument about the fans is wrong. And if you polled MLB fans generally, I bet they'd be pro-Wahoo too. So which fans are you talking about?
The way I see it....the guys who don't want it gone don't really give a rat's arse about the logo itself. They are just upset that perhaps political correctness has taken hold to extinguish a racial stereotype.
Which means either: A. they like that it is racially insensitive...or B. they don't care if it is or isn't....they just want to maintain it so that "PC culture" or some nonsense does not prevail.
Hardly anyone here has lived as long as I have with Chief Wahoo...and I have and do own numeous articles of paraphenalia with that logo on it...including hats, shirts, jackets etc. No one here practically has had as long a term attachment to it.
But, it is not that big of a deal to me if it is gone. It is...when it comes down to it....just a marketing gimmick. And marketing gimmicks come and go...and if this one goes...so be it. Just tell me what the next one is.
Wrong. I have always told my friends that it was the best logo in sports. Nice try though.
I was using we're as a general term since I'm American. You clearly have no problem with PC culture winning out, so please don't lie to us and say you do.
The notion that Chief Wahoo is racist is equally as dumb as your Wal-Mart example (in fact it's more dumb since Walmart might actually broach up against civil rights laws [don't know or particularly care]).
This is anecdotal but I follow about 5 Indians pages on facebook. Not a single comment or reaction to this that I've seen is positive. Literally hundreds of comments I've seen are all negative. So yeah, your argument about the fans is wrong. And if you polled MLB fans generally, I bet they'd be pro-Wahoo too. So which fans are you talking about?
Wrong. I have always told my friends that it was the best logo in sports. Nice try though.
You’re making so many assumptions.
No, tradition isn’t a good enough reason. Change is inevitable, accept it or live in a miserable existence.
My Wal-Mart example isn’t dumb, it’s 100% on point.
Walmart has a reason to need to lock up the black hair care products.
What reason do the Indians have to need to keep Chief Wahoo?
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I was using we're as a general term since I'm American. You clearly have no problem with PC culture winning out, so please don't lie to us and say you do.
The notion that Chief Wahoo is racist is equally as dumb as your Wal-Mart example (in fact it's more dumb since Walmart might actually broach up against civil rights laws [don't know or particularly care]).
This is anecdotal but I follow about 5 Indians pages on facebook. Not a single comment or reaction to this that I've seen is positive. Literally hundreds of comments I've seen are all negative. So yeah, your argument about the fans is wrong. And if you polled MLB fans generally, I bet they'd be pro-Wahoo too. So which fans are you talking about?
Wrong. I have always told my friends that it was the best logo in sports. Nice try though.
You’re making so many assumptions.
No, tradition isn’t a good enough reason. Change is inevitable, accept it or live in a miserable existence.
My Wal-Mart example isn’t dumb, it’s 100% on point.
Walmart has a reason to need to lock up the black hair care products.
What reason do the Indians have to need to keep Chief Wahoo?
You’re making so many assumptions.
No, tradition isn’t a good enough reason. Change is inevitable, accept it or live in a miserable existence.
My Wal-Mart example isn’t dumb, it’s 100% on point.
Walmart has a reason to need to lock up the black hair care products.
What reason do the Indians have to need to keep Chief Wahoo?
To piss your generation off?
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
In 2019 the fans can still buy and display what they want -but- if they buy or are given promotional shirts and jerseys they will not have the chief wahoo anywhere on them. Should be interesting to see how much it really matters.
Human nature being what it is I imagine there will be a LOT of Wahoo in the stands, on cars and houses, we always had a Wahoo in our upstairs window.
I imagine sales of everything should be quite brisk everywhere including the counterfeit and nonlicensed merchandise.
Ahhhhhh the business of sporrs.
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The way I see it....the guys who don't want it gone don't really give a rat's arse about the logo itself. They are just upset that perhaps political correctness has taken hold to extinguish a racial stereotype.
Which means either: A. they like that it is racially insensitive...or B. they don't care if it is or isn't....they just want to maintain it so that "PC culture" or some nonsense does not prevail.
Hardly anyone here has lived as long as I have with Chief Wahoo...and I have and do own numeous articles of paraphenalia with that logo on it...including hats, shirts, jackets etc. No one here practically has had as long a term attachment to it.
But, it is not that big of a deal to me if it is gone. It is...when it comes down to it....just a marketing gimmick. And marketing gimmicks come and go...and if this one goes...so be it. Just tell me what the next one is.
Wrong. I have always told my friends that it was the best logo in sports. Nice try though.
No, I am absolutely right.....be cause it is a matter of opinion and my opinion carries far more weight. How long have you been an Indians fan? I started being one around 1962. And as much as I have cared for it....I never thought by any means that it was the best logo in sports. To me the best logo was always the no logo of the Browns. As I said, it was always just a marketing device. If I can live with a change in whatever marketing device they use after 55 years, so can you. Besides....as I noted...they are NOT giving it up as a marketing device...they are just not going to put it on their uniforms.
I mean...take the Browns......as noted...they have NO logo on their uniforms....but they certainly have logos.....the Brownie, the dog logos, the B logos etc. They are not on the uniforms, yet they are heavily marketed. That will likely be the case for Chief Wahoo.
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The Brownie....not on the uniforms
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Two other Browns logos...not on uniform:
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You’re making so many assumptions.
No, tradition isn’t a good enough reason. Change is inevitable, accept it or live in a miserable existence.
My Wal-Mart example isn’t dumb, it’s 100% on point.
Walmart has a reason to need to lock up the black hair care products.
What reason do the Indians have to need to keep Chief Wahoo?
To piss your generation off?
To piss your generation off?
Cool ?
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To piss your generation off?
Cool ?
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I was using we're as a general term since I'm American. You clearly have no problem with PC culture winning out, so please don't lie to us and say you do.
The notion that Chief Wahoo is racist is equally as dumb as your Wal-Mart example (in fact it's more dumb since Walmart might actually broach up against civil rights laws [don't know or particularly care]).
This is anecdotal but I follow about 5 Indians pages on facebook. Not a single comment or reaction to this that I've seen is positive. Literally hundreds of comments I've seen are all negative. So yeah, your argument about the fans is wrong. And if you polled MLB fans generally, I bet they'd be pro-Wahoo too. So which fans are you talking about?
Wrong. I have always told my friends that it was the best logo in sports. Nice try though.
You’re making so many assumptions.
No, tradition isn’t a good enough reason. Change is inevitable, accept it or live in a miserable existence.
My Wal-Mart example isn’t dumb, it’s 100% on point.
Walmart has a reason to need to lock up the black hair care products.
What reason do the Indians have to need to keep Chief Wahoo?
You’re making so many assumptions.
No, tradition isn’t a good enough reason. Change is inevitable, accept it or live in a miserable existence.
My Wal-Mart example isn’t dumb, it’s 100% on point.
Walmart has a reason to need to lock up the black hair care products.
What reason do the Indians have to need to keep Chief Wahoo?
You're backtracking. You said the fans, who are the customers, didn't like it, and since it's a business, they catered to those fans. When I pointed out that virtually no fans are in support of this move (it's a small minority, no pun intended), you're now claiming they don't "need" to keep the Chief. So I guess you realize the whole fans don't want it thing was bunk?
In 2019 the fans can still buy and display what they want -but- if they buy or are given promotional shirts and jerseys they will not have the chief wahoo anywhere on them. Should be interesting to see how much it really matters.
Human nature being what it is I imagine there will be a LOT of Wahoo in the stands, on cars and houses, we always had a Wahoo in our upstairs window.
I imagine sales of everything should be quite brisk everywhere including the counterfeit and nonlicensed merchandise.
Ahhhhhh the business of sporrs.
Wahoo on the upstairs window. That's a sweet idea.
A guy on my street here in Austin has it on his curb numbers. Also has a big Brownie and other Browns stickets in his garage. Pretty cool.
The way I see it....the guys who don't want it gone don't really give a rat's arse about the logo itself. They are just upset that perhaps political correctness has taken hold to extinguish a racial stereotype.
Which means either: A. they like that it is racially insensitive...or B. they don't care if it is or isn't....they just want to maintain it so that "PC culture" or some nonsense does not prevail.
Hardly anyone here has lived as long as I have with Chief Wahoo...and I have and do own numeous articles of paraphenalia with that logo on it...including hats, shirts, jackets etc. No one here practically has had as long a term attachment to it.
But, it is not that big of a deal to me if it is gone. It is...when it comes down to it....just a marketing gimmick. And marketing gimmicks come and go...and if this one goes...so be it. Just tell me what the next one is.
Wrong. I have always told my friends that it was the best logo in sports. Nice try though.
No, I am absolutely right.....be cause it is a matter of opinion and my opinion carries far more weight. How long have you been an Indians fan? I started being one around 1962. And as much as I have cared for it....I never thought by any means that it was the best logo in sports. To me the best logo was always the no logo of the Browns. As I said, it was always just a marketing device. If I can live with a change in whatever marketing device they use after 55 years, so can you. Besides....as I noted...they are NOT giving it up as a marketing device...they are just not going to put it on their uniforms.
I mean...take the Browns......as noted...they have NO logo on their uniforms....but they certainly have logos.....the Brownie, the dog logos, the B logos etc. They are not on the uniforms, yet they are heavily marketed. That will likely be the case for Chief Wahoo.
So your argument for why I don't actually care about the logo is that you don't actually like the logo?
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Identity Politics and Cultural Appropriation are the cause of this. The neo-marxist thought of thinking taught at universities preys on people me and war's age (20s) and younger. People are taught to think that everything is a hierarchy of power with white males at the top and that it's all their fault. They are also taught that if they're offended, they can change the way people think, talk, or act. One example is Dr. Jordan Peterson in Canada and the recent law making everyone call people by their preferred gender pro-nouns, such as Zi and Zir. One you enforce people saying certain words, you're on the fine line from limiting free speech.
On the Wahoo subject, most people don't know that we used to be the Cleveland Naps, after legend Nap Lajoie. Most people also didn't know that Jim Thorpe had an all indian football team with an indian name and logo, and that the Indians named the team after Louis Sockalexis, a Native American star, that played in Cleveland.[17]
The fact is that people consider that "Native Americans were oppressed", which is true, BUT that has nothing to do with the fact that the team was very likely named after the star.
I'm not a big fan of the Chief Wahoo Logo, but I think because people don't like something or are "offended", that doesn't give them the right to tell you what to do. That's ridiculous.
Dolan is on record saying he didn't think it was offensive, but to make a deal to have the ALL STAR GAME in Cleveland, I think he gave into "phasing the chief out".
But the question is whats next? Why doesn't Kansas City get rid of the Chiefs? Atlanta rename the Braves? Washington get rid of the Redskins, and Chicago do away with the Blackhawks. Truly, all of those teams must be racist, and whatever someone else's perception of something must be more important then what the business owner, fans who pay money, or other consensus citizens think.
Also, we should do away with Columbus Day, and turn it into Indigenous People's day like they did here in Cali. Even though most Italians in New York didn't celebrate Columbus himself, but the fact that Italian Americans accomplished a lot of good in America and did a lot of good (The friction was even shown in a Sopranos Episode).
We should tear down every Robert E Lee statue, and any statue of any person that "offended" anyone, even though Statues are a reminder of history, not a celebration of that specific person.
Maybe if we don't remember the evils of history and the past, it might repeat itself? But the fact is people should have the freedom to be stupid, and to have a stupid opinion.
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You’re making so many assumptions.
No, tradition isn’t a good enough reason. Change is inevitable, accept it or live in a miserable existence.
My Wal-Mart example isn’t dumb, it’s 100% on point.
Walmart has a reason to need to lock up the black hair care products.
What reason do the Indians have to need to keep Chief Wahoo?
You're backtracking. You said the fans, who are the customers, didn't like it, and since it's a business, they catered to those fans. When I pointed out that virtually no fans are in support of this move (it's a small minority, no pun intended), you're now claiming they don't "need" to keep the Chief. So I guess you realize the whole fans don't want it thing was bunk?
In 2019 the fans can still buy and display what they want -but- if they buy or are given promotional shirts and jerseys they will not have the chief wahoo anywhere on them. Should be interesting to see how much it really matters.
Human nature being what it is I imagine there will be a LOT of Wahoo in the stands, on cars and houses, we always had a Wahoo in our upstairs window.
I imagine sales of everything should be quite brisk everywhere including the counterfeit and nonlicensed merchandise.
Ahhhhhh the business of sporrs.
Wahoo on the upstairs window. That's a sweet idea.
A guy on my street here in Austin has it on his curb numbers. Also has a big Brownie and other Browns stickets in his garage. Pretty cool.
The way I see it....the guys who don't want it gone don't really give a rat's arse about the logo itself. They are just upset that perhaps political correctness has taken hold to extinguish a racial stereotype.
Which means either: A. they like that it is racially insensitive...or B. they don't care if it is or isn't....they just want to maintain it so that "PC culture" or some nonsense does not prevail.
Hardly anyone here has lived as long as I have with Chief Wahoo...and I have and do own numeous articles of paraphenalia with that logo on it...including hats, shirts, jackets etc. No one here practically has had as long a term attachment to it.
But, it is not that big of a deal to me if it is gone. It is...when it comes down to it....just a marketing gimmick. And marketing gimmicks come and go...and if this one goes...so be it. Just tell me what the next one is.
Wrong. I have always told my friends that it was the best logo in sports. Nice try though.
No, I am absolutely right.....be cause it is a matter of opinion and my opinion carries far more weight. How long have you been an Indians fan? I started being one around 1962. And as much as I have cared for it....I never thought by any means that it was the best logo in sports. To me the best logo was always the no logo of the Browns. As I said, it was always just a marketing device. If I can live with a change in whatever marketing device they use after 55 years, so can you. Besides....as I noted...they are NOT giving it up as a marketing device...they are just not going to put it on their uniforms.
I mean...take the Browns......as noted...they have NO logo on their uniforms....but they certainly have logos.....the Brownie, the dog logos, the B logos etc. They are not on the uniforms, yet they are heavily marketed. That will likely be the case for Chief Wahoo.
So your argument for why I don't actually care about the logo is that you don't actually like the logo?
You're backtracking. You said the fans, who are the customers, didn't like it, and since it's a business, they catered to those fans. When I pointed out that virtually no fans are in support of this move (it's a small minority, no pun intended), you're now claiming they don't "need" to keep the Chief. So I guess you realize the whole fans don't want it thing was bunk?
Wahoo on the upstairs window. That's a sweet idea.
A guy on my street here in Austin has it on his curb numbers. Also has a big Brownie and other Browns stickets in his garage. Pretty cool.
So your argument for why I don't actually care about the logo is that you don't actually like the logo?
I don’t believe I ever said the majority of people don’t like it. I’m saying that the people who own the rights to “Chief Wahoo” decided that they want to get rid of it. They obviously thought there was enough opposition and that it was a good business move.
Now if the government came in and MADE them change it, THAT would be where I have a problem. But that isn’t the case.
Whether I personally have a problem with Chief Wahoo or not is irrelevant.
Its ironic that you and many on this board who love small government and personal freedoms just like me, want to FORCE an organization to KEEP something against their will.
Sounds a bit hypocritical.
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