Bridge QB Over Troubled Waters
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Bradford is interesting and his deal may be cheap due to his previous injuries
Bradford is interesting and his deal may be cheap due to his previous injuries
Would probably be a very similiar deal that we gave RG III... Something that's easy to get out of after one year if his injury history stays the same.
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Fitzpatrick stats:
Passing
- * Selected to Pro Bowl, + First-Team All-Pro
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Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV Career 133 119 48-70-1 2411 4039 59.7 26991 173 4.3 136 3.4 98 6.7 6.0 11.2 202.9 79.9 231 1224 6.03 5.41 5.4 9 13 79 4 yrs BUF 55 53 20-33-0 1041 1742 59.8 11654 80 4.6 64 3.7 98 6.7 6.0 11.2 211.9 79.8 97 581 6.02 5.33 5.3 4 6 34 2 yrs CIN 14 12 4-7-1 221 372 59.4 1905 8 2.2 9 2.4 79 5.1 4.5 8.6 136.1 70.0 38 193 4.18 3.58 9.3 3 2 yrs NYJ 30 27 13-14-0 563 965 58.3 6615 43 4.5 32 3.3 69 6.9 6.3 11.7 220.5 80.3 38 175 6.42 5.84 3.8 2 3 18 2 yrs STL 5 3 0-3-0 76 135 56.3 777 4 3.0 8 5.9 56 5.8 3.7 10.2 155.4 58.2 9 49 5.06 3.11 6.3 1 1 3 1 yr HOU 12 12 6-6-0 197 312 63.1 2483 17 5.4 8 2.6 76 8.0 7.9 12.6 206.9 95.3 21 83 7.21 7.15 6.3 9 1 yr TAM 6 3 2-1-0 96 163 58.9 1103 7 4.3 3 1.8 41 6.8 6.8 11.5 183.8 86.0 7 34 6.29 6.32 4.1 0 1 3 1 yr TEN 11 9 3-6-0 217 350 62.0 2454 14 4.0 12 3.4 77 7.0 6.3 11.3 223.1 82.0 21 109 6.32 5.62 5.7 2 2 9 2005 23 STL qb 12 4 3 0-3-0 76 135 56.3 777 4 3.0 8 5.9 56 5.8 3.7 10.2 194.3 58.2 9 49 5.06 3.11 6.3 1 1 3 2006 24 STL 11 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 99.7 0 0 0 2007 25 CIN 11 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 2008 26 CIN QB 11 13 12 4-7-1 221 372 59.4 1905 8 2.2 9 2.4 79 5.1 4.5 8.6 146.5 70.0 54.7 38 193 4.18 3.58 9.3 3 2009 27 BUF QB 14 10 8 4-4-0 127 227 55.9 1422 9 4.0 10 4.4 98 6.3 5.1 11.2 142.2 69.7 38.2 21 127 5.22 4.13 8.5 1 2 3 2010 28 BUF QB 14 13 13 4-9-0 255 441 57.8 3000 23 5.2 15 3.4 65 6.8 6.3 11.8 230.8 81.8 55.3 24 145 6.14 5.68 5.2 1 1 9 2011 29 BUF QB 14 16 16 6-10-0 353 569 62.0 3832 24 4.2 23 4.0 60 6.7 5.8 10.9 239.5 79.1 52.5 22 148 6.23 5.29 3.7 2 2 11 2012 30 BUF QB 14 16 16 6-10-0 306 505 60.6 3400 24 4.8 16 3.2 68 6.7 6.3 11.1 212.5 83.3 48.5 30 161 6.05 5.61 5.6 0 1 11 2013 31 TEN QB 4 11 9 3-6-0 217 350 62.0 2454 14 4.0 12 3.4 77 7.0 6.3 11.3 223.1 82.0 62.4 21 109 6.32 5.62 5.7 2 2 9 2014 32 HOU QB 14 12 12 6-6-0 197 312 63.1 2483 17 5.4 8 2.6 76 8.0 7.9 12.6 206.9 95.3 65.2 21 83 7.21 7.15 6.3 9 2015 33 NYJ QB 14 16 16 10-6-0 335 562 59.6 3905 31 5.5 15 2.7 69 6.9 6.9 11.7 244.1 88.0 65.3 19 94 6.56 6.46 3.3 2 3 13 2016 34 NYJ QB 14 14 11 3-8-0 228 403 56.6 2710 12 3.0 17 4.2 57 6.7 5.4 11.9 193.6 69.6 45.4 19 81 6.23 4.99 4.5 5 2017 35 TAM qb 14 6 3 2-1-0 96 163 58.9 1103 7 4.3 3 1.8 41 6.8 6.8 11.5 183.8 86.0 56.0 7 34 6.29 6.32 4.1 0 1 3 -
My choice ALL ALONG...contact the Jets and offer a 5th or 6th rounder for Josh McCown! He is a great option AND your QB coach when he retires!!!
GO BROWNS!!!
My choice ALL ALONG...contact the Jets and offer a 5th or 6th rounder for Josh McCown! He is a great option AND your QB coach when he retires!!!
GO BROWNS!!!
Except...per the Walter Football link....he is a free agent...and it would not cost any draft picks. You just sign him.
Is Walter wrong...or did he leave something out?
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Gipper only hates Derek Anderson because of a trademark infringement on his nickname.
I'd be okay with Rosen and McCown.
WSS
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Somehow I don't think the Vikes will keep both Keenum and Bridgewater, both those guys want to start and Keenum has probably earned an 8- 10 mil per year deal. So if he hits the market I wouldn't mind paying him 20 mil for 2 years.
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Somehow I don't think the Vikes will keep both Keenum and Bridgewater, both those guys want to start and Keenum has probably earned an 8- 10 mil per year deal. So if he hits the market I wouldn't mind paying him 20 mil for 2 years.
Somehow I don't think the Vikes will keep both Keenum and Bridgewater, both those guys want to start and Keenum has probably earned an 8- 10 mil per year deal. So if he hits the market I wouldn't mind paying him 20 mil for 2 years.
Pretty good wages for 13 or 14 games spent in the University Hospital orthopedic section.
WSS
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Somehow I don't think the Vikes will keep both Keenum and Bridgewater, both those guys want to start and Keenum has probably earned an 8- 10 mil per year deal. So if he hits the market I wouldn't mind paying him 20 mil for 2 years.
Pretty good wages for 13 or 14 games spent in the University Hospital orthopedic section.
WSS
Pretty good wages for 13 or 14 games spent in the University Hospital orthopedic section.
WSS
Are you referring to Bridgewater or Keenum. My post was regarding Keenum.
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Why would McCown 'NOT' be in the good graces of Browns fans? If our previous FO's had any capability with foresight he should have been our QB this year.
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Pretty good wages for 13 or 14 games spent in the University Hospital orthopedic section.
WSS
Are you referring to Bridgewater or Keenum. My post was regarding Keenum.
Are you referring to Bridgewater or Keenum. My post was regarding Keenum.
Bilgewater. Not sure about Keenum I just think he got lucky because the team was doing well. Neither of them strike me as a Wily old veteran who would be happy to Mentor a kid.
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Why would McCown 'NOT' be in the good graces of Browns fans? If our previous FO's had any capability with foresight he should have been our QB this year.
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Why would McCown 'NOT' be in the good graces of Browns fans? If our previous FO's had any capability with foresight he should have been our QB this year.
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Bilgewater. Not sure about Keenum I just think he got lucky because the team was doing well. Neither of them strike me as a Wily old veteran who would be happy to Mentor a kid.
WSS
That is why I Xed them both out of my list to come here to serve the particular purpose that we need.
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That whole list sucks donkey balls for the most part. Chase Daniel could be interesting and Dorsey is familiar with him. Maybe he's another Jimmy Grabsapillow. I also think we will look seriously at Bradford and McCarron.
That whole list sucks donkey balls for the most part. Chase Daniel could be interesting and Dorsey is familiar with him. Maybe he's another Jimmy Grabsapillow. I also think we will look seriously at Bradford and McCarron.
Agreed on Bradford- if he can stay healthy- the Vikes will likely keep Keenum and Teddy. As I posted in another thread interest in McCarron (I hope) would be close to nothing if he loses his hearing on being a UFA, and the Bengals slap a second round tender on him. I'd like to think Dorsey will tell Hue- not worth the #33- I don't care how much you like him. They give him an original round tender- different story.
Ditto Gip's take on Fitzpatrick- he's not very good, but outside of the Po rah-rah pumpers does anyone really expect a lot of wins out of the Browns in 2018? I don't.
Didn't think McCown was a UFA, but if he's got another 2017 year production left in his 39 year old body, I'd welcome him back with open arms- and he'd be relatively cheap (last contract was for $7 million) and a perfect mentor for Darnold- or whoever we draft.
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Bilgewater. Not sure about Keenum I just think he got lucky because the team was doing well. Neither of them strike me as a Wily old veteran who would be happy to Mentor a kid.
WSS
That is why I Xed them both out of my list to come here to serve the particular purpose that we need.
That is why I Xed them both out of my list to come here to serve the particular purpose that we need.
Of course a lot of people out here think it's a good idea to pick up somebody that I wouldn't consider better than a bridge and making him the starter and not picking a quarterback in the top 4.
WSS
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That is why I Xed them both out of my list to come here to serve the particular purpose that we need.
Of course a lot of people out here think it's a good idea to pick up somebody that I wouldn't consider better than a bridge and making him the starter and not picking a quarterback in the top 4.
WSS
Of course a lot of people out here think it's a good idea to pick up somebody that I wouldn't consider better than a bridge and making him the starter and not picking a quarterback in the top 4.
WSS
Well....honestly....the ONLY guys that I see on the FA list that would fit that bill would be Cousins...or Garrapolo. And as I said, he is staying in SFO I suspect. And I am not that big of a Cousins guy.
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Of course a lot of people out here think it's a good idea to pick up somebody that I wouldn't consider better than a bridge and making him the starter and not picking a quarterback in the top 4.
WSS
Well....honestly....the ONLY guys that I see on the FA list that would fit that bill would be Cousins...or Garrapolo. And as I said, he is staying in SFO I suspect. And I am not that big of a Cousins guy.
Well....honestly....the ONLY guys that I see on the FA list that would fit that bill would be Cousins...or Garrapolo. And as I said, he is staying in SFO I suspect. And I am not that big of a Cousins guy.
Me neither especially if we're stuck with him for 4 years and we don't get a top qb draft pick.
WSS
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There is a big list of potential Free Agent QBs. that will come available in March.
Here is my position on some of them:
Cousins...will not sign with Browns...he will want a winner....and in my opinion he is not right for this team.
Drew Brees....do not see him leaving New Orleans...do any of you?
J. Garrapolo.....likely to be signed long term with the Niners.
Case Keenum....likely to be kept by the Vikings.....along with Teddy Twatwater.
So....I am taking all of the above off the board for the Browns
So.....who does that potentially leave for the Browns to sign as our "Bridge QB"? A veteran that can fill in for a year while a top prospect can learn the ropes. Well...here are some potential names.....a few of which could surprise.....if they came to the Browns in that role
Sam Bradford.....at age 30 he is like the same age as Cousins....but his injuries have...to my opinion relegated him to a bridge type guy or backup. A prime candidate.
AJ McCarron....he is only 27...and I know Jackson wants him.....but at that young age, would he be happy playing babysitter? I say no. Particularly if he does not become an unrestricted FA. Not my choice.
Geno Smith.....again, only 27.....and really, to my mind....not good enough...So, no.
Ryan Fitzpatrick....age 35. Has been a starter and backup most of his career. Actually...fits the bill fairly well. He is old enough, smart enough...and egoless...he could make a good mentor maybe. Another prime candidate.
Matt Moore....age 34.....a career backup...spot starter. Similar to Fitzpatrick...but I think Fitz would be a better choice with more starting experience. Possible
Jay Cutler....age 35....but he retired once...and with his ego and moodiness....not what you want to guide a young QB along. So...No
Chad Henne...age 34....basically a clone of Moore. so...eh,,, not likely
Kellen Clemens....age 35....Bernie Kosar got fired for telling the truth about how bad this guy is.....so while he might be the right vintage....I say nyet.
Mark Sanchez.....age 31. His days as a starting QB are done in my opinion. It could work.
Ryan Mallet.....age 30. Nothing more than a backup....between him and Sanchez, I would actually rather have Mr. Butt Fumble.
Chase Daniel...age 31. He only has 2 career starts in 8 years. We want someone capable of starting...so, no.
And how about this Trio of Amigos.....we KNOW they all have starting experience...why? Because they have all been full time starters for the Browns in the past:
Josh McCown...age 39. He epitomizes what we likely need. And as far as I know...he is still in the good graces of Browns fans, no? And he would relish the role.
Derek Anderson...age 35. If this SOB had played the rest of his career the way he did in 2007.....we would have not had the shitestorm we have had at QB the last 10 years.....he would have been our long term starter. But after that one year....he became a DeShone Kizer prequel. Still....how would he be as a Bridge QB?
Brandon Weeden....age 34. Right age! Experience as starter and backup. Yet, I know the response: God Forbid!!
So...to bottom line this.....the Browns best bet is to take on either Bradford, or Fitzpatrick....or Josh McCown.
Secondary choices: McCarron, Moore, Sanchez, and Anderson.
There is a big list of potential Free Agent QBs. that will come available in March.
Here is my position on some of them:
Cousins...will not sign with Browns...he will want a winner....and in my opinion he is not right for this team.
Drew Brees....do not see him leaving New Orleans...do any of you?
J. Garrapolo.....likely to be signed long term with the Niners.
Case Keenum....likely to be kept by the Vikings.....along with Teddy Twatwater.
So....I am taking all of the above off the board for the Browns
So.....who does that potentially leave for the Browns to sign as our "Bridge QB"? A veteran that can fill in for a year while a top prospect can learn the ropes. Well...here are some potential names.....a few of which could surprise.....if they came to the Browns in that role
Sam Bradford.....at age 30 he is like the same age as Cousins....but his injuries have...to my opinion relegated him to a bridge type guy or backup. A prime candidate.
AJ McCarron....he is only 27...and I know Jackson wants him.....but at that young age, would he be happy playing babysitter? I say no. Particularly if he does not become an unrestricted FA. Not my choice.
Geno Smith.....again, only 27.....and really, to my mind....not good enough...So, no.
Ryan Fitzpatrick....age 35. Has been a starter and backup most of his career. Actually...fits the bill fairly well. He is old enough, smart enough...and egoless...he could make a good mentor maybe. Another prime candidate.
Matt Moore....age 34.....a career backup...spot starter. Similar to Fitzpatrick...but I think Fitz would be a better choice with more starting experience. Possible
Jay Cutler....age 35....but he retired once...and with his ego and moodiness....not what you want to guide a young QB along. So...No
Chad Henne...age 34....basically a clone of Moore. so...eh,,, not likely
Kellen Clemens....age 35....Bernie Kosar got fired for telling the truth about how bad this guy is.....so while he might be the right vintage....I say nyet.
Mark Sanchez.....age 31. His days as a starting QB are done in my opinion. It could work.
Ryan Mallet.....age 30. Nothing more than a backup....between him and Sanchez, I would actually rather have Mr. Butt Fumble.
Chase Daniel...age 31. He only has 2 career starts in 8 years. We want someone capable of starting...so, no.
And how about this Trio of Amigos.....we KNOW they all have starting experience...why? Because they have all been full time starters for the Browns in the past:
Josh McCown...age 39. He epitomizes what we likely need. And as far as I know...he is still in the good graces of Browns fans, no? And he would relish the role.
Derek Anderson...age 35. If this SOB had played the rest of his career the way he did in 2007.....we would have not had the shitestorm we have had at QB the last 10 years.....he would have been our long term starter. But after that one year....he became a DeShone Kizer prequel. Still....how would he be as a Bridge QB?
Brandon Weeden....age 34. Right age! Experience as starter and backup. Yet, I know the response: God Forbid!!
So...to bottom line this.....the Browns best bet is to take on either Bradford, or Fitzpatrick....or Josh McCown.
Secondary choices: McCarron, Moore, Sanchez, and Anderson.
It cousins or nothing. I don’t know if you knew he said he would not mind playing for the browns. And you not going to get a better qb in the draft. He has ranked top 5 in stats for the past three years with the skins I will take that all day
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There is a big list of potential Free Agent QBs. that will come available in March.
Here is my position on some of them:
Cousins...will not sign with Browns...he will want a winner....and in my opinion he is not right for this team.
Drew Brees....do not see him leaving New Orleans...do any of you?
J. Garrapolo.....likely to be signed long term with the Niners.
Case Keenum....likely to be kept by the Vikings.....along with Teddy Twatwater.
So....I am taking all of the above off the board for the Browns
So.....who does that potentially leave for the Browns to sign as our "Bridge QB"? A veteran that can fill in for a year while a top prospect can learn the ropes. Well...here are some potential names.....a few of which could surprise.....if they came to the Browns in that role
Sam Bradford.....at age 30 he is like the same age as Cousins....but his injuries have...to my opinion relegated him to a bridge type guy or backup. A prime candidate.
AJ McCarron....he is only 27...and I know Jackson wants him.....but at that young age, would he be happy playing babysitter? I say no. Particularly if he does not become an unrestricted FA. Not my choice.
Geno Smith.....again, only 27.....and really, to my mind....not good enough...So, no.
Ryan Fitzpatrick....age 35. Has been a starter and backup most of his career. Actually...fits the bill fairly well. He is old enough, smart enough...and egoless...he could make a good mentor maybe. Another prime candidate.
Matt Moore....age 34.....a career backup...spot starter. Similar to Fitzpatrick...but I think Fitz would be a better choice with more starting experience. Possible
Jay Cutler....age 35....but he retired once...and with his ego and moodiness....not what you want to guide a young QB along. So...No
Chad Henne...age 34....basically a clone of Moore. so...eh,,, not likely
Kellen Clemens....age 35....Bernie Kosar got fired for telling the truth about how bad this guy is.....so while he might be the right vintage....I say nyet.
Mark Sanchez.....age 31. His days as a starting QB are done in my opinion. It could work.
Ryan Mallet.....age 30. Nothing more than a backup....between him and Sanchez, I would actually rather have Mr. Butt Fumble.
Chase Daniel...age 31. He only has 2 career starts in 8 years. We want someone capable of starting...so, no.
And how about this Trio of Amigos.....we KNOW they all have starting experience...why? Because they have all been full time starters for the Browns in the past:
Josh McCown...age 39. He epitomizes what we likely need. And as far as I know...he is still in the good graces of Browns fans, no? And he would relish the role.
Derek Anderson...age 35. If this SOB had played the rest of his career the way he did in 2007.....we would have not had the shitestorm we have had at QB the last 10 years.....he would have been our long term starter. But after that one year....he became a DeShone Kizer prequel. Still....how would he be as a Bridge QB?
Brandon Weeden....age 34. Right age! Experience as starter and backup. Yet, I know the response: God Forbid!!
So...to bottom line this.....the Browns best bet is to take on either Bradford, or Fitzpatrick....or Josh McCown.
Secondary choices: McCarron, Moore, Sanchez, and Anderson.
It cousins or nothing. I don’t know if you knew he said he would not mind playing for the browns. And you not going to get a better qb in the draft. He has ranked top 5 in stats for the past three years with the skins I will take that all day
It cousins or nothing. I don’t know if you knew he said he would not mind playing for the browns. And you not going to get a better qb in the draft. He has ranked top 5 in stats for the past three years with the skins I will take that all day
So much of what you say is subject to question:
A. I do NOT think he has ranked in the top 5 in stats. (Of course...you have to decide which stats are the most important).
B. I am NOT of the belief that you cannot get a better QB in the draft. Maybe not for the 2018 season...but long term? There are a number of potentially better QB candidates.
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Cousins stat rankings in 2017
Completions: #8
Attempts: #8
Total Yards: #7
TDs: #8
Passer rating: not top 10
Yards per game: #9
Yards per attempt: #9
Yards per completion: #10
Attempts per game: #10
Completion percentage: #9
TD percentage: #8
Game winning drives: #2
Comebacks: not top 10
Some negatives:
Most interceptions thrown: #7
Most times sacked: #5
Most yards lost on sacks: #1
So...I guess, statistically, overall you might say that he was a Top Ten QB in 2017. (but not top 5 in anything but one positive stat.)
So...is he a huge improvement over what we have now. Obviously.
Would he come here if he were buried in a pile of cash? Possibly....but then....those other teams that might pursue him....and which have a better chance of winning NOW with him...will also bury his a-s-s is cash as well.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2017/leaders.htm
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Actually, Cousins had a better statistical season in 2016 as opposed to 2017. He WAS in the Top 5 in a number of statistical categories in 2016:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2016/leaders.htm
And in 2015...he was actually a bit worse statistically then than he was in 2017. He only occasionally appeared in the Top Ten of stats. (major exception...he did lead the league in pass completion Pct.....about his only Top 5 appearance:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2015/leaders.htm
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