Cousins would "seriously consider" the Browns
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Why are you guys so worried about money? We have a ridiculous amount and it doesn't roll over. If we don't sign Cousins that money probably goes to waste. Our front office has to work the contracts so we don't end up in cap hell if they can't do that they need to be fired
Unused Cap space certainly does roll over. That may well be the error in your thinking. It's not a "use it or lose it" situation. IIRC- and Tour can correct me if I'm wrong on this- the only caveat is (I think) there's a 5? year rolling period where a team has to spend a minimum on contracts. There's not only a ceiling, there's also a floor. And like they say "it's complicated".
Yup. working contracts is pretty important- that's why we're going to need cap room down the road- when we (think) we're only one player away, to afford the mega contract they're likely to demand. This isn't the time to make Cousins the highest paid QB in the league when the roster still has more holes in it than swiss cheese. I'm glad you're not doing the bean counting for the Browns.
Case in point- the Dolphins threw humongous money at Ndamukong Suh, and they currently have very little wiggle room to go out and sign FAs. Latest stat from over the cap has the Steelers $3million over- so where you think they're going to pull $10 million+ out of their a$$ to keep Le'veon Bell on the team? You want instant gratification? There's the guy we should go after.
Unused Cap space certainly does roll over. That may well be the error in your thinking. It's not a "use it or lose it" situation. IIRC- and Tour can correct me if I'm wrong on this- the only caveat is (I think) there's a 5? year rolling period where a team has to spend a minimum on contracts. There's not only a ceiling, there's also a floor. And like they say "it's complicated".
Yup. working contracts is pretty important- that's why we're going to need cap room down the road- when we (think) we're only one player away, to afford the mega contract they're likely to demand. This isn't the time to make Cousins the highest paid QB in the league when the roster still has more holes in it than swiss cheese. I'm glad you're not doing the bean counting for the Browns.
Case in point- the Dolphins threw humongous money at Ndamukong Suh, and they currently have very little wiggle room to go out and sign FAs. Latest stat from over the cap has the Steelers $3million over- so where you think they're going to pull $10 million+ out of their a$$ to keep Le'veon Bell on the team? You want instant gratification? There's the guy we should go after.
You're right I did forgot about the new cba. I had a pretty good idea how the old system works, this new stuff is way too complicated. Isn't it like you can roll it for like 5 years then you have to meet the cap floor?
We still have 118 millions so we can front load his salary and keep us from getting into cap issues down the road. The only team that could get in a bidding war with us is the jets and it would take almost all of their available cap space to get Cousins. I think he will not get the contract he's looking for
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Reports are now flying that Cousins to Denver is close to a done deal...
How? Given the start of the league year is still over a month away... I have no idea.
One other interesting tidbit... in addition to us, NYJ, and DNV pursuing Cousins... The Vikings were mentioned. Had not seen them mentioned before, but why not? They don't have a QB signed to their roster.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Reports are now flying that Cousins to Denver is close to a done deal...
How? Given the start of the league year is still over a month away... I have no idea.
One other interesting tidbit... in addition to us, NYJ, and DNV pursuing Cousins... The Vikings were mentioned. Had not seen them mentioned before, but why not? They don't have a QB signed to their roster.
Reports are now flying that Cousins to Denver is close to a done deal...
How? Given the start of the league year is still over a month away... I have no idea.
One other interesting tidbit... in addition to us, NYJ, and DNV pursuing Cousins... The Vikings were mentioned. Had not seen them mentioned before, but why not? They don't have a QB signed to their roster.
Similar to the Smith deal....all done but the signing on the date they can. And I had heard about the Vikings potential interest on Golic/Wingo.
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Reports are now flying that Cousins to Denver is close to a done deal...
How? Given the start of the league year is still over a month away... I have no idea.
One other interesting tidbit... in addition to us, NYJ, and DNV pursuing Cousins... The Vikings were mentioned. Had not seen them mentioned before, but why not? They don't have a QB signed to their roster.
Similar to the Smith deal....all done but the signing on the date they can. And I had heard about the Vikings potential interest on Golic/Wingo.
Similar to the Smith deal....all done but the signing on the date they can. And I had heard about the Vikings potential interest on Golic/Wingo.
I believe all 3 of the Vikings qb's are free agents this year maybe we can choose from their left overs ?
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Reports are now flying that Cousins to Denver is close to a done deal...
How? Given the start of the league year is still over a month away... I have no idea.
One other interesting tidbit... in addition to us, NYJ, and DNV pursuing Cousins... The Vikings were mentioned. Had not seen them mentioned before, but why not? They don't have a QB signed to their roster.
Reports are now flying that Cousins to Denver is close to a done deal...
How? Given the start of the league year is still over a month away... I have no idea.
seems that The Senior Bowl week now jumps deals even before combine..last night am watching the state of the Union.seemed like Trump fired the national anthem at Roger..than within 5 minutes after.. reports of Smith to DC fired right back at Trump..me thinks, the timing had a idea
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Reports are now flying that Cousins to Denver is close to a done deal...
How? Given the start of the league year is still over a month away... I have no idea.
One other interesting tidbit... in addition to us, NYJ, and DNV pursuing Cousins... The Vikings were mentioned. Had not seen them mentioned before, but why not? They don't have a QB signed to their roster.
Similar to the Smith deal....all done but the signing on the date they can. And I had heard about the Vikings potential interest on Golic/Wingo.
Similar to the Smith deal....all done but the signing on the date they can.
Except the league year is not over so as of now Cousins is still a WSH employee and any talking to him is considered "illegal tampering" under league rules. There is a "legal tampering" period a day or so before the official start of the league year... and there's a more relaxed view of "conversations" with agents as that day approaches, but this is way outside that timing.
So it can't be "similar".
Thinking more on it... either WSH has filed paperwork to release Cousins or they've given permission to teams to talk to their employee.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Similar to the Smith deal....all done but the signing on the date they can.
Except the league year is not over so as of now Cousins is still a WSH employee and any talking to him is considered "illegal tampering" under league rules. There is a "legal tampering" period a day or so before the official start of the league year... and there's a more relaxed view of "conversations" with agents as that day approaches, but this is way outside that timing.
So it can't be "similar".
Thinking more on it... either WSH has filed paperwork to release Cousins or they've given permission to teams to talk to their employee.
Except the league year is not over so as of now Cousins is still a WSH employee and any talking to him is considered "illegal tampering" under league rules. There is a "legal tampering" period a day or so before the official start of the league year... and there's a more relaxed view of "conversations" with agents as that day approaches, but this is way outside that timing.
So it can't be "similar".
Thinking more on it... either WSH has filed paperwork to release Cousins or they've given permission to teams to talk to their employee.
a team could still trade for him so why can't it be similar
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Similar to the Smith deal....all done but the signing on the date they can. And I had heard about the Vikings potential interest on Golic/Wingo.
I believe all 3 of the Vikings qb's are free agents this year maybe we can choose from their left overs ?
YAWN.
I believe all 3 of the Vikings qb's are free agents this year maybe we can choose from their left overs ?
Idiot fukcking Browns fans going through more mental masturbation....inventing Browns football moves that have abso-Shmucking-lutely no chance of even being considered.....let alone happening.
Seriously, don't you jackoffs get tired pf dping this same.schidt year after year after year?
Is reality that fukcing hard for you to accept?
NOBODY OF ANY TALENT WANTS TO COME TO SCHIDTHOLE cleveland.
Myels Garrett made goddamned video offering fellatio to Jerry Jones to rescue him. A top rated college qb threatened to stay on college rather than come.to schidt hole-land.
Meanwhile. You jackoffs believe Cleveland is a mover-shaker.......top franchise.
Do you hear players objecting to any other city?
But hey..........go ahead.....pretend that Cleveland is a really.cool place. EVERYONE wants to play on Cleveland. LMAO.
I imagine this is why.the Browns continue to draft.schidt like Garrett and Coleman. Top.guys won't play here.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
YAWN.
I believe all 3 of the Vikings qb's are free agents this year maybe we can choose from their left overs ?
Idiot fukcking Browns fans going through more mental masturbation....inventing Browns football moves that have abso-Shmucking-lutely no chance of even being considered.....let alone happening.
Seriously, don't you jackoffs get tired pf dping this same.schidt year after year after year?
Is reality that fukcing hard for you to accept?
NOBODY OF ANY TALENT WANTS TO COME TO SCHIDTHOLE cleveland.
Myels Garrett made goddamned video offering fellatio to Jerry Jones to rescue him. A top rated college qb threatened to stay on college rather than come.to schidt hole-land.
Meanwhile. You jackoffs believe Cleveland is a mover-shaker.......top franchise.
Do you hear players objecting to any other city?
But hey..........go ahead.....pretend that Cleveland is a really.cool place. EVERYONE wants to play on Cleveland. LMAO.
I imagine this is why.the Browns continue to draft.schidt like Garrett and Coleman. Top.guys won't play here.
YAWN.
Idiot fukcking Browns fans going through more mental masturbation....inventing Browns football moves that have abso-Shmucking-lutely no chance of even being considered.....let alone happening.
Seriously, don't you jackoffs get tired pf dping this same.schidt year after year after year?
Is reality that fukcing hard for you to accept?
NOBODY OF ANY TALENT WANTS TO COME TO SCHIDTHOLE cleveland.
Myels Garrett made goddamned video offering fellatio to Jerry Jones to rescue him. A top rated college qb threatened to stay on college rather than come.to schidt hole-land.
Meanwhile. You jackoffs believe Cleveland is a mover-shaker.......top franchise.
Do you hear players objecting to any other city?
But hey..........go ahead.....pretend that Cleveland is a really.cool place. EVERYONE wants to play on Cleveland. LMAO.
I imagine this is why.the Browns continue to draft.schidt like Garrett and Coleman. Top.guys won't play here.
For someone giving up the NFL you seem strangely obsessed with the Browns.
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Similar to the Smith deal....all done but the signing on the date they can.
Except the league year is not over so as of now Cousins is still a WSH employee and any talking to him is considered "illegal tampering" under league rules. There is a "legal tampering" period a day or so before the official start of the league year... and there's a more relaxed view of "conversations" with agents as that day approaches, but this is way outside that timing.
So it can't be "similar".
Thinking more on it... either WSH has filed paperwork to release Cousins or they've given permission to teams to talk to their employee.
Except the league year is not over so as of now Cousins is still a WSH employee and any talking to him is considered "illegal tampering" under league rules. There is a "legal tampering" period a day or so before the official start of the league year... and there's a more relaxed view of "conversations" with agents as that day approaches, but this is way outside that timing.
So it can't be "similar".
Thinking more on it... either WSH has filed paperwork to release Cousins or they've given permission to teams to talk to their employee.
Sure...
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A little Skin Bracer for the Cousins optimists...
... Cousins can pick his destination. Sure, the Browns have the most money, but unless they come in way over what other suitors are willing to pay him, Cousins will likely not choose the Browns. Last year, Tony Jefferson chose the Ravens over the Browns in free agency for less money because he wanted to have a better chance at the playoffs.
Cousins told New York radio station WFAN on Tuesday he wants to go to a winner.
“Winning is everything, especially at this stage of my career,” Cousins said. “I’m going into Year 7. Because I’ve been franchise-tagged twice, it’s not about the money so much. It’s about winning. I want to win.
“This isn’t the NBA," he said. "You can’t just get one player and now you’re in the AFC championship game or NFC championship game. There are other pieces that come into play.”
https://scout.com/nfl/browns/Article/Will-the-Browns-pay-the-price-for-their-1-31-record-114477106
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But on the other hand ochocinco says we're a lock... so y'all got that going for you...
Chad Johnson says Kirk Cousins will sign with Cleveland Browns, Joe Thomas says team is the favorite
"Don't listen to any sources out there, I said it first," Johnson added.Author: Ben AxelrodPublished: 11:59 AM EST February 1, 2018 -
Glance at teams with QB need and space to accomodate a $30mm/yr QB...
Team Cap
SpaceEffective Cap
Space
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# Active
Cap SpendingDead
Money49ers $113,574,832 $113,574,832 61 $105,419,029 $15,054,569 Browns $109,653,737 $109,653,737 70 $116,984,421 $10,274,802 Jets $72,446,618 $72,446,618 55 $118,713,011 $2,918,337 Vikings $50,163,643 $49,203,643 49 $140,910,744 $654,816 Bills $29,418,581 $29,418,581 52 $141,045,590 $18,719,288 Broncos $26,773,245 $26,773,245 59 $161,069,049 $365,907 BUF and DNV would have to do a little shuffling, but are well within "striking distance".
Teams that would have to do a lot more work include:
Jaguars $16,517,319 $16,517,319 66 $188,606,617 $644,803 Cardinals $8,714,438 $8,714,438 51 $170,213,859 $673,489 Dolphins $7,487,613 $7,487,613 55 $169,304,860 $276,688 If going to a winner is a strong consideration, then the Vikes, Broncos and Jags would have to be the top contenders.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Jags extended Bortles so they are out of the running.
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As the main guy fighting off the salary cap hawks in favor of Cousins, I think I'm out after the Smith trade. Smith netted a 3rd and a premium young corner. You would have to think the redskins are looking at that and thinking they can atleast get a 1st for Cousins, if not more. I would love to have Cousins but if we have to give up a pick in the top 3 rounds I would much rather look at a free agent like Bridgewater. Worse come to worse we start the rookie or we let Kizer take the lumps next year
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Glance at teams with QB need and space to accomodate a $30mm/yr QB...
Team Cap
SpaceEffective Cap
Space️
# Active
Cap SpendingDead
Money49ers $113,574,832 $113,574,832 61 $105,419,029 $15,054,569 Browns $109,653,737 $109,653,737 70 $116,984,421 $10,274,802 Jets $72,446,618 $72,446,618 55 $118,713,011 $2,918,337 Vikings $50,163,643 $49,203,643 49 $140,910,744 $654,816 Bills $29,418,581 $29,418,581 52 $141,045,590 $18,719,288 Broncos $26,773,245 $26,773,245 59 $161,069,049 $365,907 BUF and DNV would have to do a little shuffling, but are well within "striking distance".
Teams that would have to do a lot more work include:
Jaguars $16,517,319 $16,517,319 66 $188,606,617 $644,803 Cardinals $8,714,438 $8,714,438 51 $170,213,859 $673,489 Dolphins $7,487,613 $7,487,613 55 $169,304,860 $276,688 If going to a winner is a strong consideration, then the Vikes, Broncos and Jags would have to be the top contenders.
Glance at teams with QB need and space to accomodate a $30mm/yr QB...
Team Cap
SpaceEffective Cap
Space️
# Active
Cap SpendingDead
Money49ers $113,574,832 $113,574,832 61 $105,419,029 $15,054,569 Browns $109,653,737 $109,653,737 70 $116,984,421 $10,274,802 Jets $72,446,618 $72,446,618 55 $118,713,011 $2,918,337 Vikings $50,163,643 $49,203,643 49 $140,910,744 $654,816 Bills $29,418,581 $29,418,581 52 $141,045,590 $18,719,288 Broncos $26,773,245 $26,773,245 59 $161,069,049 $365,907 BUF and DNV would have to do a little shuffling, but are well within "striking distance".
Teams that would have to do a lot more work include:
Jaguars $16,517,319 $16,517,319 66 $188,606,617 $644,803 Cardinals $8,714,438 $8,714,438 51 $170,213,859 $673,489 Dolphins $7,487,613 $7,487,613 55 $169,304,860 $276,688 If going to a winner is a strong consideration, then the Vikes, Broncos and Jags would have to be the top contenders.49ers
49ers already have their guy. Are Jets really much better if at all than Browns if "winning is the goal? Vikings...yes...but will they prefer to stick with what they know in Keenum/the Twat etc.
Bills have what is supposed to be a good defense...so they could be in their with Broncos....but both, as you say, would have to shuffle cap space.
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As the main guy fighting off the salary cap hawks in favor of Cousins, I think I'm out after the Smith trade. Smith netted a 3rd and a premium young corner. You would have to think the redskins are looking at that and thinking they can atleast get a 1st for Cousins, if not more. I would love to have Cousins but if we have to give up a pick in the top 3 rounds I would much rather look at a free agent like Bridgewater. Worse come to worse we start the rookie or we let Kizer take the lumps next year
As the main guy fighting off the salary cap hawks in favor of Cousins, I think I'm out after the Smith trade. Smith netted a 3rd and a premium young corner. You would have to think the redskins are looking at that and thinking they can atleast get a 1st for Cousins, if not more. I would love to have Cousins but if we have to give up a pick in the top 3 rounds I would much rather look at a free agent like Bridgewater. Worse come to worse we start the rookie or we let Kizer take the lumps next year
Washington would have to sign him or give him the 34 million tag to trade him. So there will be no compensation given up to get Captain Kirk except for the exorbitant amounts of money he will demand, worth it or not
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Jags extended Bortles so they are out of the running.
Where would I sign up?
Jags extended Bortles so they are out of the running.
Link? Not finding that news anywhere...
JAX was pretty well committed when Bortles just put his wrist under the knife which fully guaranteed his 5th-year-option, 2018 contract. Well played, Mr. Bortles.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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