Indians To Stop Using Chief Wahoo Logo In Their Uniforms in 2019
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You're backtracking. You said the fans, who are the customers, didn't like it, and since it's a business, they catered to those fans. When I pointed out that virtually no fans are in support of this move (it's a small minority, no pun intended), you're now claiming they don't "need" to keep the Chief. So I guess you realize the whole fans don't want it thing was bunk?
Wahoo on the upstairs window. That's a sweet idea.
A guy on my street here in Austin has it on his curb numbers. Also has a big Brownie and other Browns stickets in his garage. Pretty cool.
So your argument for why I don't actually care about the logo is that you don't actually like the logo?
I don’t believe I ever said the majority of people don’t like it. I’m saying that the people who own the rights to “Chief Wahoo” decided that they want to get rid of it. They obviously thought there was enough opposition and that it was a good business move.
Now if the government came in and MADE them change it, THAT would be where I have a problem. But that isn’t the case.
Whether I personally have a problem with Chief Wahoo or not is irrelevant.
Its ironic that you and many on this board who love small government and personal freedoms just like me, want to FORCE an organization to KEEP something against their will.
Sounds a bit hypocritical.
I don’t believe I ever said the majority of people don’t like it. I’m saying that the people who own the rights to “Chief Wahoo” decided that they want to get rid of it. They obviously thought there was enough opposition and that it was a good business move.
Now if the government came in and MADE them change it, THAT would be where I have a problem. But that isn’t the case.
Whether I personally have a problem with Chief Wahoo or not is irrelevant.
Its ironic that you and many on this board who love small government and personal freedoms just like me, want to FORCE an organization to KEEP something against their will.
Sounds a bit hypocritical.
"Clearly not all fans loved it. If all fans loved it, it would’ve stayed."
Now, unless you're going to use some kind of "I'm not aware that exaggeration is a thing" position here, you really can't square that quote with what I bolded in your post. Simply put, you claimed the fans didn't want Wahoo. Then you backtracked and said the owner doesn't want Wahoo. Then when stillmotion called you out on that you've moved onto some "well Dolan's just looking 25 years down the road when all the homo offended millenials are running the market" argument.
I'm guessing you can't settle on one because they're all a bunch of garbage.
No. Where did you ever read that I don't like the logo? Like I said...I have lived with it my whole life. And I have it all over Tribe gear that I own.
What I said is : A. It was inevitable that it should go away and B. that it is a marketing gimmick.....just like all other team logos....and if it goes away...it is no hair off my arse because whatever they come up with next will probably be fine.
C. What I said was that those complaining about the removal of the logo do not really care about that logo so much.....they just want to complain about some perceived political correctness being involved in its removal.
My position is: I like the Chief....I have lived my life with it. But I understand that it is a racial caricature...and that it can be offensive to some. So, if the team decide's it is in their best interest to no longer use it on their uniforms or on the walls of the stadium.....I am fine with that. They are still not giving it up. They will still sell trinkets to people with the logo on it. And that is fine as well.
Now....do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth? Or do I have to reiterate it for the 4th or 5th time?
Let's see here. You say that the people upset that Wahoo is gone just want to piss off liberals and don't actually care about the logo. I say you're wrong, it's the best logo in sports. Your brilliant, scholarly retort is "No, I am absolutely right.....be cause it is a matter of opinion and my opinion carries far more weight. "
So yeah, the only support for your argument that I don't actually care about the logo is "yeah, well I'm smarter than you." You're better than this.
Heres one, but there are plenty. There’s really no way to prove it one way or the other, but when you do some digging it seems pretty apparent that the Indians name started as a derogatory nickname because we had an American Indian on our team.
Dude, I’m with you, I think the progressive movement is so dumb when it comes to almost everything. Black shootings, abortion, trans rights... its all a Marxist leftist agenda. I’m totally with you. But dude, this isn’t some blue haired dumb white bitch saying they don’t like Chief Wahoo. It’s literally members of Indian tribes who want it gone.
Ahh, not the literal members of Indian tribes! What will they ever do?
Wait I thought it was Dolan that wanted it gone?
I don't have as much as a problem of getting "rid of the wahoo logo" as I do "how we got rid of the wahoo logo".
Dolan did it ONLY because his boss (the comissioner) said he'd give us the allstar game.
And the problem is, is that when they see they can change things, they will constantly want more until you don't even have a right to free speech.
First they change team names, then columbus day, then you can't wear any halloween costume, you can't even be a bear because that's offensive to bears. You have to call everyone by their gender pronouns. Just because someone is offended doesn't give them the right to tell you how to act or what to do. I understand how they feel, and if the owner LEGIT wanted to do it, then why did he do it after the comissioner promised him the allstar game. Because he's a sellout and a pussy.
Give it up man. Buddha has dug his heels in on this whole "the owner wanted to get rid of it" narrative, and no matter how much you tell him that Dolan caved to outside pressures, he's not going to acknowledge or respond to it.
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But dude, this isn’t some blue haired dumb white bitch saying they don’t like Chief Wahoo. It’s literally members of Indian tribes who want it gone.
I don't have as much as a problem of getting "rid of the wahoo logo" as I do "how we got rid of the wahoo logo".
Dolan did it ONLY because his boss (the comissioner) said he'd give us the allstar game.
And the problem is, is that when they see they can change things, they will constantly want more until you don't even have a right to free speech.
First they change team names, then columbus day, then you can't wear any halloween costume, you can't even be a bear for halloween because that's offensive to bears. You have to call everyone by their gender pronouns. Just because someone is offended doesn't give them the right to tell you how to act or what to do. I understand how they feel, and if the owner LEGIT wanted to do it, then why did he do it after the commissioner promised him the allstar game. Because he's a sellout and a pussy.
I don't have as much as a problem of getting "rid of the wahoo logo" as I do "how we got rid of the wahoo logo".
Dolan did it ONLY because his boss (the comissioner) said he'd give us the allstar game.
And the problem is, is that when they see they can change things, they will constantly want more until you don't even have a right to free speech.
First they change team names, then columbus day, then you can't wear any halloween costume, you can't even be a bear for halloween because that's offensive to bears. You have to call everyone by their gender pronouns. Just because someone is offended doesn't give them the right to tell you how to act or what to do. I understand how they feel, and if the owner LEGIT wanted to do it, then why did he do it after the commissioner promised him the allstar game. Because he's a sellout and a pussy.
It’s an interesting argument, but here’s where the discrepancy is. Getting rid of Chief Wahoo does not equate to getting rid of free speech.
You or I can still buy a Chief Wahoo hat and wear it. Taking away free speech would be the government telling you you CANT wear a Chief Wahoo hat. No one is saying that.
You still have the right to express yourself and purchase and wear Chief Wahoo, even to the games.
On a side note:
How is the Cleveland Indians any different than the Cleveland Blacks?
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I don’t believe I ever said the majority of people don’t like it. I’m saying that the people who own the rights to “Chief Wahoo” decided that they want to get rid of it. They obviously thought there was enough opposition and that it was a good business move.
Now if the government came in and MADE them change it, THAT would be where I have a problem. But that isn’t the case.
Whether I personally have a problem with Chief Wahoo or not is irrelevant.
Its ironic that you and many on this board who love small government and personal freedoms just like me, want to FORCE an organization to KEEP something against their will.
Sounds a bit hypocritical.
"Clearly not all fans loved it. If all fans loved it, it would’ve stayed."
Now, unless you're going to use some kind of "I'm not aware that exaggeration is a thing" position here, you really can't square that quote with what I bolded in your post. Simply put, you claimed the fans didn't want Wahoo. Then you backtracked and said the owner doesn't want Wahoo. Then when stillmotion called you out on that you've moved onto some "well Dolan's just looking 25 years down the road when all the homo offended millenials are running the market" argument.
I'm guessing you can't settle on one because they're all a bunch of garbage.
No. Where did you ever read that I don't like the logo? Like I said...I have lived with it my whole life. And I have it all over Tribe gear that I own.
What I said is : A. It was inevitable that it should go away and B. that it is a marketing gimmick.....just like all other team logos....and if it goes away...it is no hair off my arse because whatever they come up with next will probably be fine.
C. What I said was that those complaining about the removal of the logo do not really care about that logo so much.....they just want to complain about some perceived political correctness being involved in its removal.
My position is: I like the Chief....I have lived my life with it. But I understand that it is a racial caricature...and that it can be offensive to some. So, if the team decide's it is in their best interest to no longer use it on their uniforms or on the walls of the stadium.....I am fine with that. They are still not giving it up. They will still sell trinkets to people with the logo on it. And that is fine as well.
Now....do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth? Or do I have to reiterate it for the 4th or 5th time?
Let's see here. You say that the people upset that Wahoo is gone just want to piss off liberals and don't actually care about the logo. I say you're wrong, it's the best logo in sports. Your brilliant, scholarly retort is "No, I am absolutely right.....be cause it is a matter of opinion and my opinion carries far more weight. "
So yeah, the only support for your argument that I don't actually care about the logo is "yeah, well I'm smarter than you." You're better than this.
Heres one, but there are plenty. There’s really no way to prove it one way or the other, but when you do some digging it seems pretty apparent that the Indians name started as a derogatory nickname because we had an American Indian on our team.
Dude, I’m with you, I think the progressive movement is so dumb when it comes to almost everything. Black shootings, abortion, trans rights... its all a Marxist leftist agenda. I’m totally with you. But dude, this isn’t some blue haired dumb white bitch saying they don’t like Chief Wahoo. It’s literally members of Indian tribes who want it gone.
Ahh, not the literal members of Indian tribes! What will they ever do?
Wait I thought it was Dolan that wanted it gone?
I don't have as much as a problem of getting "rid of the wahoo logo" as I do "how we got rid of the wahoo logo".
Dolan did it ONLY because his boss (the comissioner) said he'd give us the allstar game.
And the problem is, is that when they see they can change things, they will constantly want more until you don't even have a right to free speech.
First they change team names, then columbus day, then you can't wear any halloween costume, you can't even be a bear because that's offensive to bears. You have to call everyone by their gender pronouns. Just because someone is offended doesn't give them the right to tell you how to act or what to do. I understand how they feel, and if the owner LEGIT wanted to do it, then why did he do it after the comissioner promised him the allstar game. Because he's a sellout and a pussy.
Give it up man. Buddha has dug his heels in on this whole "the owner wanted to get rid of it" narrative, and no matter how much you tell him that Dolan caved to outside pressures, he's not going to acknowledge or respond to it.
"Clearly not all fans loved it. If all fans loved it, it would’ve stayed."
Now, unless you're going to use some kind of "I'm not aware that exaggeration is a thing" position here, you really can't square that quote with what I bolded in your post. Simply put, you claimed the fans didn't want Wahoo. Then you backtracked and said the owner doesn't want Wahoo. Then when stillmotion called you out on that you've moved onto some "well Dolan's just looking 25 years down the road when all the homo offended millenials are running the market" argument.
I'm guessing you can't settle on one because they're all a bunch of garbage.
Let's see here. You say that the people upset that Wahoo is gone just want to piss off liberals and don't actually care about the logo. I say you're wrong, it's the best logo in sports. Your brilliant, scholarly retort is "No, I am absolutely right.....be cause it is a matter of opinion and my opinion carries far more weight. "
So yeah, the only support for your argument that I don't actually care about the logo is "yeah, well I'm smarter than you." You're better than this.
Ahh, not the literal members of Indian tribes! What will they ever do?
Wait I thought it was Dolan that wanted it gone?
Give it up man. Buddha has dug his heels in on this whole "the owner wanted to get rid of it" narrative, and no matter how much you tell him that Dolan caved to outside pressures, he's not going to acknowledge or respond to it.
Dolan made a business decision. Whether it was to appease to crowd who didn’t like it, repair a relationship with Natives, or sellout for the all star game. (Probably all of the above)
Who really cares? It doesn’t change the fact that it doesn’t equate to taking away free speech, and no one forced him to do it.
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Let's see here. You say that the people upset that Wahoo is gone just want to piss off liberals and don't actually care about the logo. I say you're wrong, it's the best logo in sports. Your brilliant, scholarly retort is "No, I am absolutely right.....be cause it is a matter of opinion and my opinion carries far more weight. "
So yeah, the only support for your argument that I don't actually care about the logo is "yeah, well I'm smarter than you." You're better than this
Sorry...but you are just confusing yourself. Again, let me try to explain things to you like you were a 4 year old:
A. Yes....I believe that MOST people who are upset at the Tribe eliminating the Chief are just upset because they see it as a PC move...and NOT because they love the logo. Now MAYBE you are the rare exception....maybe you do think it is a great logo...which is fine....there are always exceptions to any rule. But I think I am right about what I say as to the reason most are "upset"...that they just want to be anti-PC nudniks. (you can look that term up)
B. I also said that if anyone has a right to be upset about the change it is a guy like me who HAS lived with and liked the logo for far longer than you have been alive (something like 56 years in my case). I am saying that a guy like me has far more equity....far more personal investment in this team and its appendages...including things like logos etc. than most other people (including even you). Ergo....if a guy like me can accept the situation and move on.....so can you and all the other schmos out there.
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I'm having fun with you. Do you need a safe space or time out?
I'm having fun with you. Do you need a safe space or time out?
He needs his care bear...
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I'm having fun with you. Do you need a safe space or time out?
He needs his care bear...
He needs his care bear...
Lol Shmuck SJWs and Shmuck safe spaces.
Long live Trump. Long live western civilization.
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Lol Shmuck SJWs and Shmuck safe spaces.
Long live Trump. Long live western civilization.
Those last two sentences are oxymoronic.
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Lol Shmuck SJWs and Shmuck safe spaces.
Long live Trump. Long live western civilization.
Those last two sentences are oxymoronic.
Those last two sentences are oxymoronic.
How so?
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Those last two sentences are oxymoronic.
How so?
How so?
Trump, and civilized. You figure it out.
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How so?
Trump, and civilized. You figure it out.
Trump, and civilized. You figure it out.
?? Your answer does nothing to prove your point. Do you have any facts to back up your opinion?
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Trump, and civilized. You figure it out.
?? Your answer does nothing to prove your point. Do you have any facts to back up your opinion?
?? Your answer does nothing to prove your point. Do you have any facts to back up your opinion?
Jesus. Seriously?
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I don't have as much as a problem of getting "rid of the wahoo logo" as I do "how we got rid of the wahoo logo".
Dolan did it ONLY because his boss (the comissioner) said he'd give us the allstar game.
And the problem is, is that when they see they can change things, they will constantly want more until you don't even have a right to free speech.
First they change team names, then columbus day, then you can't wear any halloween costume, you can't even be a bear for halloween because that's offensive to bears. You have to call everyone by their gender pronouns. Just because someone is offended doesn't give them the right to tell you how to act or what to do. I understand how they feel, and if the owner LEGIT wanted to do it, then why did he do it after the commissioner promised him the allstar game. Because he's a sellout and a pussy.
It’s an interesting argument, but here’s where the discrepancy is. Getting rid of Chief Wahoo does not equate to getting rid of free speech.
You or I can still buy a Chief Wahoo hat and wear it. Taking away free speech would be the government telling you you CANT wear a Chief Wahoo hat. No one is saying that.
You still have the right to express yourself and purchase and wear Chief Wahoo, even to the games.
On a side note:
How is the Cleveland Indians any different than the Cleveland Blacks?
It’s an interesting argument, but here’s where the discrepancy is. Getting rid of Chief Wahoo does not equate to getting rid of free speech.
You or I can still buy a Chief Wahoo hat and wear it. Taking away free speech would be the government telling you you CANT wear a Chief Wahoo hat. No one is saying that.
You still have the right to express yourself and purchase and wear Chief Wahoo, even to the games.
On a side note:
How is the Cleveland Indians any different than the Cleveland Blacks?
Did you really just ask that question and you're still going to claim you're not a PC guy? Okie dokie.
Also, I see you've now moved on to "this isn't a free speech violation" (something no one on this thread IIRC has argued anyway). Seriously, pick one and stick with it.
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It’s an interesting argument, but here’s where the discrepancy is. Getting rid of Chief Wahoo does not equate to getting rid of free speech.
You or I can still buy a Chief Wahoo hat and wear it. Taking away free speech would be the government telling you you CANT wear a Chief Wahoo hat. No one is saying that.
You still have the right to express yourself and purchase and wear Chief Wahoo, even to the games.
On a side note:
How is the Cleveland Indians any different than the Cleveland Blacks?
Did you really just ask that question and you're still going to claim you're not a PC guy? Okie dokie.
Also, I see you've now moved on to "this isn't a free speech violation" (something no one on this thread IIRC has argued anyway). Seriously, pick one and stick with it.
Did you really just ask that question and you're still going to claim you're not a PC guy? Okie dokie.:
How is the Cleveland Indians any different than the Cleveland Blacks?
Also, I see you've now moved on to "this isn't a free speech violation" (something no one on this thread IIRC has argued anyway). Seriously, pick one and stick with it.
FYI....the Cleveland Browns ARE essentially the Cleveland "Blacks" or Cleveland Negroes if you want.....by one theory. That theory being that the Browns are named after Joe Louis....the Brown (as in brown skin) Bomber. Now....this theory's prime promotor was Paul Brown.....because he wanted to pretend the team was not named after him....so he came up with the Joe Louis thing. My only question, Paul, is if you wanted to name the team after Joe Louis, and not yourself...then why did you not name them the Bombers? Instead going for the Browns? The Bombers may have been a popular nickname...considering we just came out of WWII.
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It’s an interesting argument, but here’s where the discrepancy is. Getting rid of Chief Wahoo does not equate to getting rid of free speech.
You or I can still buy a Chief Wahoo hat and wear it. Taking away free speech would be the government telling you you CANT wear a Chief Wahoo hat. No one is saying that.
You still have the right to express yourself and purchase and wear Chief Wahoo, even to the games.
On a side note:
How is the Cleveland Indians any different than the Cleveland Blacks?
Did you really just ask that question and you're still going to claim you're not a PC guy? Okie dokie.
Also, I see you've now moved on to "this isn't a free speech violation" (something no one on this thread IIRC has argued anyway). Seriously, pick one and stick with it.
Did you really just ask that question and you're still going to claim you're not a PC guy? Okie dokie.
Also, I see you've now moved on to "this isn't a free speech violation" (something no one on this thread IIRC has argued anyway). Seriously, pick one and stick with it.
Dude, the guy before me literally said it’s a free speech violation. Lol, do you even read?
No matter what I say, you’re going to twist it. At the end of the day, you lost. Just accept that Chief Wahoo is gone and move on
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?? Your answer does nothing to prove your point. Do you have any facts to back up your opinion?
Jesus. Seriously?
Jesus. Seriously?
Absolutely. If it’s so obvious, why can’t you back up your claim?
Oh yeah, because it’s based on emotion and not facts.
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Don't you have something else to contribute except Chief Wahoo? Are you a redskin?
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Jesus. Seriously?
Absolutely. If it’s so obvious, why can’t you back up your claim?
Oh yeah, because it’s based on emotion and not facts.
Absolutely. If it’s so obvious, why can’t you back up your claim?
Oh yeah, because it’s based on emotion and not facts.
OK...here you go....just turn to any new media outlet in America....and you will have your information all day, every day. (except for a couple of the sychophantic ones).
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Absolutely. If it’s so obvious, why can’t you back up your claim?
Oh yeah, because it’s based on emotion and not facts.
OK...here you go....just turn to any new media outlet in America....and you will have your information all day, every day. (except for a couple of the sychophantic ones).
OK...here you go....just turn to any new media outlet in America....and you will have your information all day, every day. (except for a couple of the sychophantic ones).
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OK...here you go....just turn to any new media outlet in America....and you will have your information all day, every day. (except for a couple of the sychophantic ones).
Are you always gonna be this big of an idjit? (Likely, considering)
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Are you always gonna be this big of an idjit? (Likely, considering)
Are you always gonna be this big of an idjit? (Likely, considering)
What specifically is idiotic about the contents of that video?
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