Saquon Barkley Combine Bound
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Barkley ain't running no 4.3
About as dumb as the 'Peppers running a 4.3 crowd'.
Before they went to electronic timing, Darryl Green and Bo Jackson hold the unofficial records at 4.1 or something like that. Track speed doesn't mean much if you're not a football player, or can't stay healthy (ask the Bengals about 4.22 John Ross). I'd be mighty curious to see what Usain Bolt could do in a 40.
LOL, if Saquon is another Bo, I'd be interested @ #4, not #1 though. Quarterback comes first. As Jiggins pointed out, Dorsey hasn't taken RBs high, and there's a ton of quality guys who will be there in the second round.
Before they went to electronic timing, Darryl Green and Bo Jackson hold the unofficial records at 4.1 or something like that. Track speed doesn't mean much if you're not a football player, or can't stay healthy (ask the Bengals about 4.22 John Ross). I'd be mighty curious to see what Usain Bolt could do in a 40.
LOL, if Saquon is another Bo, I'd be interested @ #4, not #1 though. Quarterback comes first. As Jiggins pointed out, Dorsey hasn't taken RBs high, and there's a ton of quality guys who will be there in the second round.
Didn't Ben Gay (RB) run a 4.3 or some Sheet?
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Kent State RB Dri Archer ran a 4.26 40 at the combine & was out of league in a year & a half..10 rushes for 40 yards & 23 passing yards..a 3rd round pick that would rather fall down than take a hit..speeds good till ya get caught
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
Kent State RB Dri Archer ran a 4.26 40 at the combine & was out of league in a year & a half..10 rushes for 40 yards & 23 passing yards..a 3rd round pick that would rather fall down than take a hit..speeds good till ya get caught
Kent State RB Dri Archer ran a 4.26 40 at the combine & was out of league in a year & a half..10 rushes for 40 yards & 23 passing yards..a 3rd round pick that would rather fall down than take a hit..speeds good till ya get caught
This is what I argued with Po with, regarding Trent Richardson. RE: Saquon getting the nfl.com comparison to Barry Sanders. I never saw Sanders getting caught from behind in college. Trent? Plenty of times, didn't have the breakaway gear, not to mention worse field vision than our now RB Crowell.
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Kent State RB Dri Archer ran a 4.26 40 at the combine & was out of league in a year & a half..10 rushes for 40 yards & 23 passing yards..a 3rd round pick that would rather fall down than take a hit..speeds good till ya get caught
This is what I argued with Po with, regarding Trent Richardson. RE: Saquon getting the nfl.com comparison to Barry Sanders. I never saw Sanders getting caught from behind in college. Trent? Plenty of times, didn't have the breakaway gear, not to mention worse field vision than our now RB Crowell.
This is what I argued with Po with, regarding Trent Richardson. RE: Saquon getting the nfl.com comparison to Barry Sanders. I never saw Sanders getting caught from behind in college. Trent? Plenty of times, didn't have the breakaway gear, not to mention worse field vision than our now RB Crowell.
Barkley doesn't just have the strength (he put up 30 reps at a charity event last year) but he is also ghostly elusive and has breakaway speed.
Where the small guys that had fast times got into trouble was when they met up with contact.
Saquon doesn't need to go physical when he can easily make the defenders miss. Physical contact is the last resort when you don't have any other options. Barkley rarely runs out of options. It doesn't mean that he can't be physical in the run game. It all depends on the situation and it's very fluid. It's poetic when you watch Barkley move like water as he's slicing through a sea of defenders left grasping at air.
Barkley's like a Frankenstein creation at running back- He's part Juggernaut, part Ghost.
He will completely change the mindset of the team into contenders from day one.
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Projected Combine Numbers?
40 Yard Dash - 4.33 +/- .05
Bench Press -
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Here's more information about the 40yd dash compliments of Wiki. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40-yard_dash
40-yard dash
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThe 40-yard dash is a sprint covering 40 yards (36.58 m). It is primarily run to evaluate the speed and acceleration of American football players by scouts, particularly for the NFL Draft but also for collegiate recruiting. A player's recorded time can have a heavy impact on his prospects in college or professional football. This was traditionally only true for the "skill" positions such as running back, wide receiver, and defensive back, although now a fast 40-yard dash time is considered important for almost every position. The 40-yard dash is not an official race in track and field athletics and is not an IAAF-recognized event.
The origin of timing football players for 40 yards comes from the average distance of a punt and the time it takes to reach that distance.[1] Punts average around 40 yards in distance from the line of scrimmage, and the hangtime (time of flight) averages approximately 4.5 seconds. Therefore, if a coach knows that a player runs 40 yards in 4.5 seconds, he will be able to leave the line of scrimmage when a punt is kicked, and reach the point where the ball comes down just as it arrives.
Timing method and track comparisons
In terms of judging a person's speed, the best method of timing is through lasers which start and stop the times when passed through. A laser start (from a stationary position) is more accurate for measuring pure speed as it does not register a runner's reaction time. However, the method of timing a 40-yard dash can affect the accuracy by as much 0.5 seconds (with the manual stopwatch method). The National Football League (NFL) did not begin using partial electronic timing (started by hand, stopped electronically) at the NFL Scouting Combine until 1999.[2][3] For purposes of measurement at the Combine, the run is made along the lower sideline from the 40 yard-line to the end zone, which has built-in rundown space.
In track and field races, the runner must react to the starting gun, which takes approximately 0.24 seconds, based on FAT timing. A runner with a reaction time less than .100 is subject to disqualification as that is deemed too fast of a reaction time. For electronically timed 40-yard dashes, the runner is allowed to start when he wishes, and a timer hand-starts the clock. This aspect means that comparisons with track times are impossible given that a reaction time is not factored in. Furthermore, the use of hand-timing in the 40-yard dash can considerably alter a runner's time; the methods are not comparable to the rigorous electronic timing used in track and field.
Jacoby Ford, who ran a 4.28 s in the 2010 NFL Combine, had a collegiate best of 6.51 s in the 60-meter dash (outside the top-40 of the all-time lists).[4] This highlights the difficulties in comparing track running times to football 40-yard times due to the different timing methods.[5]
Records
Auburn's Bo Jackson claims to have run a 40-yard dash with a time of 4.13 s.[6][7] A time of 4.18 run by Jackson within the same week added some support to the legitimacy of the times.[8][9] Texas Tech's Jakeem Grant was hand-timed by a New Orleans Saints scout as running a 4.10 in 2016, potentially beating Jackson's record.[10]Deion Sanders ran a 4.27-second 40-yard dash in 1989.[11]
In 2013, Carlin Isles recorded a time of 4.22 at a Detroit Lions facility during a workout.[12]
In 2017 Olympic sprinter Christian Coleman ran a time of 4.12 seconds on turf in response to claims that NFL players are as fast as Usain Bolt.[13]
Records at the NFL Scouting Combine[edit]
This is a list of the official 40-yard dash results of 4.30 seconds or better recorded at the NFL Scouting combine since 1999, the first year electronic timing was implemented at the NFL Scouting Combine.[14][15]
Time Name Height Weight Position College Year Draft 4.22[16] John Ross 5 ft 11 in (180 cm) 190 lb (86 kg) Wide receiver Washington 2017 No. 9 overall by Cincinnati Bengals 4.24 Rondel Menendez 5 ft 9 in (175 cm) 192 lb (87 kg) Wide receiver Eastern Kentucky 1999 No. 247 overall by Atlanta Falcons 4.24 Chris Johnson 5 ft 11 in (180 cm) 192 lb (87 kg) Running back East Carolina 2008 No. 24 overall by Tennessee Titans 4.26 Jerome Mathis 5 ft 11 in (180 cm) 184 lb (83 kg) Wide receiver Hampton 2005 No. 114 overall by Houston Texans 4.26 Dri Archer 5 ft 8 in (173 cm) 173 lb (78 kg) Running back Kent State 2014 No. 97 overall by Pittsburgh Steelers 4.27 Stanford Routt 6 ft 2 in (188 cm) 193 lb (88 kg) Cornerback Houston 2005 No. 38 overall by Oakland Raiders 4.27 Marquise Goodwin 5 ft 10 in (178 cm) 181 lb (82 kg) Wide receiver Texas 2013 No. 78 overall by Buffalo Bills 4.28 Champ Bailey 6 ft 0 in (183 cm) 192 lb (87 kg) Cornerback Georgia 1999 No. 7 overall by Washington Redskins 4.28 Jacoby Ford 5 ft 9 in (175 cm) 190 lb (86 kg) Wide receiver Clemson 2010 No. 108 overall by Oakland Raiders 4.28[17] Jalen Myrick 5 ft 10 in (178 cm) 200 lb (91 kg) Cornerback Minnesota 2017 No. 222 overall by Jacksonville Jaguars 4.28[18] J. J. Nelson 5 ft 10 in (178 cm) 156 lb (71 kg) Wide receiver UAB 2015 No. 159 overall by Arizona Cardinals 4.28 DeMarcus Van Dyke 6 ft 1 in (185 cm) 187 lb (85 kg) Cornerback Miami 2011 No. 81 overall by Oakland Raiders 4.29 Fabian Washington 5 ft 11 in (180 cm) 188 lb (85 kg) Cornerback Nebraska 2005 No. 23 overall by Oakland Raiders 4.29 Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie 6 ft 2 in (188 cm) 184 lb (83 kg) Cornerback Tennessee State 2008 No. 16 overall by the Arizona Cardinals 4.29 Josh Robinson 5 ft 10 in (178 cm) 199 lb (90 kg) Cornerback UCF 2012 No. 66 overall by Minnesota Vikings 4.30 Darrent Williams 5 ft 9 in (175 cm) 176 lb (80 kg) Cornerback Oklahoma State 2005 No. 56 overall by Denver Broncos 4.30 Tye Hill 5 ft 10 in (178 cm) 185 lb (84 kg) Cornerback Clemson 2006 No. 15 overall by St. Louis Rams 4.30 Yamon Figurs 5 ft 11 in (180 cm) 174 lb (79 kg) Wide receiver Kansas State 2007 No. 74 overall by Baltimore Ravens 4.30 Darrius Heyward-Bey[19] 6 ft 2 in (188 cm) 210 lb (95 kg) Wide receiver Maryland 2009 No. 7 overall by Oakland Raiders Average time by position
According to a five-year NFL combine report, wide receivers and cornerbacks had the fastest average times at 4.55, followed by running backs at 4.59. The following average times were measured between 2008 and 2012 at the NFL combine.[20]
Position Time Wide receiver 4.55 Cornerback 4.55 Running back 4.59 Safety 4.62 Outside linebacker 4.74 Tight end 4.77 Fullback 4.80 Inside linebacker 4.80 Quarterback 4.87 Defensive end 4.88 Defensive tackle 5.13 Center 5.30 Offensive tackle 5.32 Offensive guard 5.36 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Looking at this the 2nd time, I noticed that only 2 players since 1999 (on the fastest time chart) weighed in over 200 lbs.
1) Jalen Myrick, 5' 10 - 200 lbs CB last year 2017
2) Darrius Heyward-Bey, 6'2" - 210 lbs WR back in 2009
It's been reported that before the college football season Saquon Barkley ran a timed 40 yard dash of 4.33 seconds.
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"Penn State on Wednesday hand-timed at 4.33 seconds in the 40 during winter conditioning tests...
Last year, Barkley ran the team's fastest time at 4.38 seconds. So he's getting faster!...
Barkley's 40 (again, hand-timed) would have been the second-fastest among running backs at last year's NFL combine (Dallas' Ezekiel Elliott ran a 4.47). Backs run Friday at this year's combine, so we'll see how Barkley's time matches against the current draft prospects."
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The NFL should start having these guys run two 40 yard dashes.
One without a helmet and pads - then another one in full gameday gear.
That would be interesting to see.
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Barkley is much more highly rated by about every major scouting report than Zeke was. I know that ends up meeting squat in the end, but he's absolutely on his level as a prospect. Whether that pans out or not, who knows.
He's highly touted on all the draft boards, but compared to zeke he didn't do sheet. Zeke dominated the playoffs. Barkley hasn't shown that level, not consistently against the top teams.
He's highly touted on all the draft boards, but compared to zeke he didn't do sheet. Zeke dominated the playoffs. Barkley hasn't shown that level, not consistently against the top teams.
I swear to God it's like you people don't even know how the google machine works.
Barkley: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/saquon-barkley-1.html
Zeke: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ezekiel-elliott-1.html
And you'd realize their stats are actually alarmingly similar. They scored the exact same amount of rushing TD's and within 100 yards of each other in rushing yards. Barkley decisively has the edge in receiving TD's as well and only has a lower YPC clip as he rushed over 100 times more than Zeke did.
If you don't like a guy, that's fine. This has not for me ever been a love fest for Barkley. But jesus christ, at least try to make a case for yourself.
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He's highly touted on all the draft boards, but compared to zeke he didn't do sheet. Zeke dominated the playoffs. Barkley hasn't shown that level, not consistently against the top teams.
I swear to God it's like you people don't even know how the google machine works.
Barkley: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/saquon-barkley-1.html
Zeke: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ezekiel-elliott-1.html
And you'd realize their stats are actually alarmingly similar. They scored the exact same amount of rushing TD's and within 100 yards of each other in rushing yards. Barkley decisively has the edge in receiving TD's as well and only has a lower YPC clip as he rushed over 100 times more than Zeke did.
If you don't like a guy, that's fine. This has not for me ever been a love fest for Barkley. But jesus christ, at least try to make a case for yourself.
I swear to God it's like you people don't even know how the google machine works.
Barkley: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/saquon-barkley-1.html
Zeke: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ezekiel-elliott-1.html
And you'd realize their stats are actually alarmingly similar. They scored the exact same amount of rushing TD's and within 100 yards of each other in rushing yards. Barkley decisively has the edge in receiving TD's as well and only has a lower YPC clip as he rushed over 100 times more than Zeke did.
If you don't like a guy, that's fine. This has not for me ever been a love fest for Barkley. But jesus christ, at least try to make a case for yourself.
The case has been made many times over. Curiously, I have never seen you respond to one of my long posts breaking down his rather pathetic YPCs when subtracting fluke plays.
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Bottom line on Barkley:
If he is there at #4....he may be worth considering. But RB...unlike QB is NOT an essential need that high in the draft. A more critical need would be a defensive backfielder....CB or Safety.
Now...the question is: does "talent" outweigh "need"? Sometimes it can......but is the supposed talents of Barkley far greater than those of say Minkah Fitzpatrick or Derwin James....or some other defenders...such that we can ignore the need in favor of the talent?
Do all of you....or do the "experts" have a clear picture on this situation?
So those are the option this GM must weigh:
A. Is Barkley really so much more talented than the DBs....or is he not?
B. If so...do we go that route....and ignore our more dire need?
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Bottom line on Barkley:
If he is there at #4....he may be worth considering. But RB...unlike QB is NOT an essential need that high in the draft. A more critical need would be a defensive backfielder....CB or Safety.
Now...the question is: does "talent" outweigh "need"? Sometimes it can......but is the supposed talents of Barkley far greater than those of say Minkah Fitzpatrick or Derwin James....or some other defenders...such that we can ignore the need in favor of the talent?
Do all of you....or do the "experts" have a clear picture on this situation?
So those are the option this GM must weigh:
A. Is Barkley really so much more talented than the DBs....or is he not?
B. If so...do we go that route....and ignore our more dire need?
Bottom line on Barkley:
If he is there at #4....he may be worth considering. But RB...unlike QB is NOT an essential need that high in the draft. A more critical need would be a defensive backfielder....CB or Safety.
Now...the question is: does "talent" outweigh "need"? Sometimes it can......but is the supposed talents of Barkley far greater than those of say Minkah Fitzpatrick or Derwin James....or some other defenders...such that we can ignore the need in favor of the talent?
Do all of you....or do the "experts" have a clear picture on this situation? (by the way...I would like a real opinion on this...not PoGs...he can just STFU)
So those are the option this GM must weigh:
A. Is Barkley really so much more talented than the DBs....or is he not?
B. If so...do we go that route....and ignore our more dire need?
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I swear to God it's like you people don't even know how the google machine works.
Barkley: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/saquon-barkley-1.html
Zeke: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ezekiel-elliott-1.html
And you'd realize their stats are actually alarmingly similar. They scored the exact same amount of rushing TD's and within 100 yards of each other in rushing yards. Barkley decisively has the edge in receiving TD's as well and only has a lower YPC clip as he rushed over 100 times more than Zeke did.
If you don't like a guy, that's fine. This has not for me ever been a love fest for Barkley. But jesus christ, at least try to make a case for yourself.
The case has been made many times over. Curiously, I have never seen you respond to one of my long posts breaking down his rather pathetic YPCs when subtracting fluke plays.
The case has been made many times over. Curiously, I have never seen you respond to one of my long posts breaking down his rather pathetic YPCs when subtracting fluke plays.
....because I've made my case several times over that I don't have an opinion on Barkley one way or the other. All I've said all along is to make a blanket statement that he's not a top tier prospect is absurd.
What happened to you man? You used to be a high quality poster but lately it's like you turned into Ghoolie.
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He's highly touted on all the draft boards, but compared to zeke he didn't do sheet. Zeke dominated the playoffs. Barkley hasn't shown that level, not consistently against the top teams.
I swear to God it's like you people don't even know how the google machine works.
Barkley: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/saquon-barkley-1.html
Zeke: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ezekiel-elliott-1.html
And you'd realize their stats are actually alarmingly similar. They scored the exact same amount of rushing TD's and within 100 yards of each other in rushing yards. Barkley decisively has the edge in receiving TD's as well and only has a lower YPC clip as he rushed over 100 times more than Zeke did.
If you don't like a guy, that's fine. This has not for me ever been a love fest for Barkley. But jesus christ, at least try to make a case for yourself.
I swear to God it's like you people don't even know how the google machine works.
Barkley: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/saquon-barkley-1.html
Zeke: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ezekiel-elliott-1.html
And you'd realize their stats are actually alarmingly similar. They scored the exact same amount of rushing TD's and within 100 yards of each other in rushing yards. Barkley decisively has the edge in receiving TD's as well and only has a lower YPC clip as he rushed over 100 times more than Zeke did.
If you don't like a guy, that's fine. This has not for me ever been a love fest for Barkley. But jesus christ, at least try to make a case for yourself.
I like him, I just don't think he's anything close to zeke and him at #1 over the qb of choice is insane.
Look at the yardage he put up his last 3 games vs Wisconsin Oregon and Bama. Averaged 232 yds a game against the three best teams... 3 championship / playoff games. Show me 3 opponents in a row of any caliber that barkley did that to in 2017. I'm not saying he won't be good, but zeke wouldn't have 3 games in a row under 65 yds like SB.
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It's so funny that some guys just can't or don't want to "get it".... here read it for yourself, from an article on August 18th, 2015.
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- Ezekiel Elliott and the Ohio State offensive line could make most quarterbacks look good.
For all the headlines generated by the Buckeyes' ability to replace a star quarterback with another star quarterback last season, the development of the running game was every bit as important to Ohio State's national championship season.
No matter if J.T. Barrett or Cardale Jones takes snaps for the Buckeyes this season, Elliott could be the focal point of Ohio State's offense. The junior ran for 1,878 yards and 18 touchdowns last year and enters this season on pretty much every list of Heisman Trophy hopefuls.
At the start of last season, Elliott and an offensive line breaking in four new starters struggled to get rolling. In a September home loss to Virginia Tech, Elliott ran eight times for 32 yards. But when Ohio State turned it on down the stretch, Elliott and the offensive line were dominant.
''Zeke was the exact same player all year, but then the people around him just needed to play better in order for him to really show what he was capable of,'' tackle Taylor Decker said.
Elliott had 153 yards and two scores at Michigan State, then had three 200-yard games in the postseason. Against Wisconsin, Alabama and Oregon, Elliott ran for 698 yards and eight touchdowns.
''The key with Zeke is if you can get him to the second level, his skill set at the second level is unbelievable,'' offensive line coach and co-offensive coordinator Ed Warinner said.
The offensive line now returns four starters, including Decker, who considered entering the NFL draft early before deciding to return to Columbus, and guard Pat Elflein. There might not be a better group of blockers in the country.
''I think we're definitely farther along than we were last year at this point, especially from a chemistry standpoint and an experience standpoint,'' Decker said.
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So, is it any wonder why Zeke's stats were so inflated? Imagine what a much more athletic and skilled player like Barkley would have done with Ohio State's Offensive Line. Teams began to key in on Barkley and his offensive line struggled. Penn State used this to their advantage and began to get the ball to Barkley in other ways, one of the reasons that his receptions and yards exponentially increased each season.
Barkley is the most skilled and athletic player regardless of position coming out this year. He's a freak. Fast, Strong and Elusive are just the tip of the iceberg. He's also incredibly Grounded and Hardworking. Intelligent and Humble. He's a leader on and off the field. He's the total package and completely worthy of the number 1 pick of the draft, regardless of position. He will raise the play of nearly every player on the entire team, offense - defense - special teams... he may even help Hue Jackson at being an NFL coach.
There are 6 QBs that have first round grades. In my order of best to okay- Mayfield, Allen, Darnold, Rosen, Jackson and Rudolph. And to be honest I haven't even had a chance to look at Rudolph yet so that's why he's at the bottom. But with that many QBs if you can't take Barkley #1 and still get a great QB- you should honestly start looking for a new job.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
OK, 22 pages of Saquon was getting unwieldy. Apparently one of our respected posters was really angry I locked the thread- even though he was outvoted 3-1.
So here's your thread to talk Barkley all you want, just keep it to new material. Please- The Management.
OK, 22 pages of Saquon was getting unwieldy. Apparently one of our respected posters was really angry I locked the thread- even though he was outvoted 3-1.
So here's your thread to talk Barkley all you want, just keep it to new material.
That or cut down on the ecstasy before posting. I'm just thankful the music in his videos didn't include Air Supply, not to be confused with taking 1 Barkley fan's breath away....
Does anyone have any videos of Barkley running well inside of the tackles against a good defense? I remember back when Reggie Bush was supposed to be the next GREAT RB to be considered at #1 overall. Houston did the unthinkable and drafted Mario Williams first while Bush was drafted #2 overall. Nothing ever made Houston sorry for doing so. Bush had a good career and was a nice receiver out of the backfield but never performed like the #1 overall pick he was supposed to be. He made some good contributions particularly as a receiver out of the backfield in his role in the RB Committee of 3 Payton used all the way to a Superbowl Championship. Today, Payton got this kind of RB in round 3 while his RB committee is only a party of 2. The Rookie of the Year in both conferences were both 3rd round RBs while 2018 is also supposed to be deep/strong at RB.
I think Barkley is an intriguing prospect but not enough to kick whatever QB our FO deems as the right guy for Cleveland off our door step. That's playing leapfrog with a unicorn without the vaseline. I speak from the experience of watching us trade up for Trent Richardson at #3 while giving it the ole "okay we can make Brandon Weeden a 1st rd QB as the 4th one to come off the board." Meanwhile, the 2nd and 3rd QBs off the board in the 2012 draft didn't turn out much better.
If we start the RUN on QBs at #1 overall - guess who dictates this draft? Cleveland! These runs on various positions especially one as important as QB has a way of reminding us supply and demand has a way of hurdling the BPA thing.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Kent State RB Dri Archer ran a 4.26 40 at the combine & was out of league in a year & a half..10 rushes for 40 yards & 23 passing yards..a 3rd round pick that would rather fall down than take a hit..speeds good till ya get caught
Kent State RB Dri Archer ran a 4.26 40 at the combine & was out of league in a year & a half..10 rushes for 40 yards & 23 passing yards..a 3rd round pick that would rather fall down than take a hit..speeds good till ya get caught
And we traded Earnest Byner to the Washington Redskins for the 4.3 forties of Mike Oliphant. The RB who ran the 4.65 forties at East Carolina became the Pro Bowl Workhorse RB of Joe Gibbs' SB Champions while we got the 175 pound former track star from Puget Sound. Byner made 2 Pro Bowls in Washington...
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It's so funny that some guys just can't or don't want to "get it".... here read it for yourself, from an article on August 18th, 2015.
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- Ezekiel Elliott and the Ohio State offensive line could make most quarterbacks look good.
For all the headlines generated by the Buckeyes' ability to replace a star quarterback with another star quarterback last season, the development of the running game was every bit as important to Ohio State's national championship season.
No matter if J.T. Barrett or Cardale Jones takes snaps for the Buckeyes this season, Elliott could be the focal point of Ohio State's offense. The junior ran for 1,878 yards and 18 touchdowns last year and enters this season on pretty much every list of Heisman Trophy hopefuls.
At the start of last season, Elliott and an offensive line breaking in four new starters struggled to get rolling. In a September home loss to Virginia Tech, Elliott ran eight times for 32 yards. But when Ohio State turned it on down the stretch, Elliott and the offensive line were dominant.
''Zeke was the exact same player all year, but then the people around him just needed to play better in order for him to really show what he was capable of,'' tackle Taylor Decker said.
Elliott had 153 yards and two scores at Michigan State, then had three 200-yard games in the postseason. Against Wisconsin, Alabama and Oregon, Elliott ran for 698 yards and eight touchdowns.
''The key with Zeke is if you can get him to the second level, his skill set at the second level is unbelievable,'' offensive line coach and co-offensive coordinator Ed Warinner said.
The offensive line now returns four starters, including Decker, who considered entering the NFL draft early before deciding to return to Columbus, and guard Pat Elflein. There might not be a better group of blockers in the country.
''I think we're definitely farther along than we were last year at this point, especially from a chemistry standpoint and an experience standpoint,'' Decker said.
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So, is it any wonder why Zeke's stats were so inflated? Imagine what a much more athletic and skilled player like Barkley would have done with Ohio State's Offensive Line. Teams began to key in on Barkley and his offensive line struggled. Penn State used this to their advantage and began to get the ball to Barkley in other ways, one of the reasons that his receptions and yards exponentially increased each season.
Barkley is the most skilled and athletic player regardless of position coming out this year. He's a freak. Fast, Strong and Elusive are just the tip of the iceberg. He's also incredibly Grounded and Hardworking. Intelligent and Humble. He's a leader on and off the field. He's the total package and completely worthy of the number 1 pick of the draft, regardless of position. He will raise the play of nearly every player on the entire team, offense - defense - special teams... he may even help Hue Jackson at being an NFL coach.
There are 6 QBs that have first round grades. In my order of best to okay- Mayfield, Allen, Darnold, Rosen, Jackson and Rudolph. And to be honest I haven't even had a chance to look at Rudolph yet so that's why he's at the bottom. But with that many QBs if you can't take Barkley #1 and still get a great QB- you should honestly start looking for a new job.
But with that many QBs if you can't take Barkley #1 and still get a great QB- you should honestly start looking for a new job.
None of that gets me pumped up about watching 2 QBs get drafted before we're reduced to the 3rd one off the board when we could have had the pick of the litter at #1 overall. There's 2 RBs just on Georgia that had better yards per carry while this is an even deeper draft at RB than it is at QB.
And give me a break with your angle that Penn State had inferior blocking/personnel, especially when they beat Ohio State in 2016 before going on to win the Big 10 Championship. They've given McSorely enough time to throw for 29 TD to 8 INT with 7 TD rushing in 2016 and 28 TD to 10 INT with 11 TD rushing in 2017. I just find it interesting that between Barkley and McSorely - you recently felt compelled to enough to alibi/explain why Barkley found running inside more challenging than McSorely did. And you actually blamed McSorely for it when he's been coached up on his inside option keys and reads with text book execution. So, the offensive line was ONLY good at opening holes inside when McSorely ran the ball? Don't look now - but you might be describing the very next Reggie Bush. If so, his role as a Receiver out of the backfield means you want us replacing Duke Johnson first and foremost?
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He's highly touted on all the draft boards, but compared to zeke he didn't do sheet. Zeke dominated the playoffs. Barkley hasn't shown that level, not consistently against the top teams.
I swear to God it's like you people don't even know how the google machine works.
Barkley: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/saquon-barkley-1.html
Zeke: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ezekiel-elliott-1.html
And you'd realize their stats are actually alarmingly similar. They scored the exact same amount of rushing TD's and within 100 yards of each other in rushing yards. Barkley decisively has the edge in receiving TD's as well and only has a lower YPC clip as he rushed over 100 times more than Zeke did.
If you don't like a guy, that's fine. This has not for me ever been a love fest for Barkley. But jesus christ, at least try to make a case for yourself.
I swear to God it's like you people don't even know how the google machine works.
Barkley: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/saquon-barkley-1.html
Zeke: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ezekiel-elliott-1.html
And you'd realize their stats are actually alarmingly similar. They scored the exact same amount of rushing TD's and within 100 yards of each other in rushing yards. Barkley decisively has the edge in receiving TD's as well and only has a lower YPC clip as he rushed over 100 times more than Zeke did.
If you don't like a guy, that's fine. This has not for me ever been a love fest for Barkley. But jesus christ, at least try to make a case for yourself.
Probably the way a crackhead might look at it.
"You see the Rams are still thinking that they are playing Tony Dorsett" -Jim Brown 1978 -
OK, 22 pages of Saquon was getting unwieldy. Apparently one of our respected posters was really angry I locked the thread- even though he was outvoted 3-1.
So here's your thread to talk Barkley all you want, just keep it to new material.
That or cut down on the ecstasy before posting. I'm just thankful the music in his videos didn't include Air Supply, not to be confused with taking 1 Barkley fan's breath away....
Does anyone have any videos of Barkley running well inside of the tackles against a good defense? I remember back when Reggie Bush was supposed to be the next GREAT RB to be considered at #1 overall. Houston did the unthinkable and drafted Mario Williams first while Bush was drafted #2 overall. Nothing ever made Houston sorry for doing so. Bush had a good career and was a nice receiver out of the backfield but never performed like the #1 overall pick he was supposed to be. He made some good contributions particularly as a receiver out of the backfield in his role in the RB Committee of 3 Payton used all the way to a Superbowl Championship. Today, Payton got this kind of RB in round 3 while his RB committee is only a party of 2. The Rookie of the Year in both conferences were both 3rd round RBs while 2018 is also supposed to be deep/strong at RB.
I think Barkley is an intriguing prospect but not enough to kick whatever QB our FO deems as the right guy for Cleveland off our door step. That's playing leapfrog with a unicorn without the vaseline. I speak from the experience of watching us trade up for Trent Richardson at #3 while giving it the ole "okay we can make Brandon Weeden a 1st rd QB as the 4th one to come off the board." Meanwhile, the 2nd and 3rd QBs off the board in the 2012 draft didn't turn out much better.
If we start the RUN on QBs at #1 overall - guess who dictates this draft? Cleveland! These runs on various positions especially one as important as QB has a way of reminding us supply and demand has a way of hurdling the BPA thing.
If we start the RUN on QBs at #1 overall - guess who dictates this draft? Cleveland! These runs on various positions especially one as important as QB has a way of reminding us supply and demand has a way of hurdling the BPA thing.
That's a very interesting idea, Flugel. I had never thought of it when facing this draft.
I bet that if we draft a QB with #1 and Giants do too, a team is going to get nervous and make an irresistible final offer to the Colts and get another QB, allowing us to get whoever we want to with #4.
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If we start the RUN on QBs at #1 overall - guess who dictates this draft? Cleveland! These runs on various positions especially one as important as QB has a way of reminding us supply and demand has a way of hurdling the BPA thing.
That's a very interesting idea, Flugel. I had never thought of it when facing this draft.
I bet that if we draft a QB with #1 and Giants do too, a team is going to get nervous and make an irresistible final offer to the Colts and get another QB, allowing us to get whoever we want to with #4.
That's a very interesting idea, Flugel. I had never thought of it when facing this draft.
I bet that if we draft a QB with #1 and Giants do too, a team is going to get nervous and make an irresistible final offer to the Colts and get another QB, allowing us to get whoever we want to with #4.
I only suggested it about four times in the locked thread, Nero.
PO just can't comprehend it's a definite possibility.
The key (assuming we take a QB #1) is if the Giants think Manning still has enough gas in the tank to make a serious playoff run with a healthy Odell Beckham and Barkley. My thinking is not, they'd be crazy to not grab Eli's replacement when they have the chance.
I've already said the Colts will be open for business in a trade down with either the Broncos (Elway was scouting Mayfield and Allen at the Seinor Bowl) or the Jets. Buffalo has two first round picks and could be in the mix. Bidding war? Good possibility, they'll know Cleveland already has their QB, and aren't taking one @ #4.
OTOH, I'm with Flugels we take Barkley first then we could be looking at the third choice QB at #4. I'm not willing to take that chance, and pretty sure Dorsey isn't either.
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