Okay kiddies here's your inevitable gun control thread

By the way didn't mean to get hijacked into an entire Maxine Waters thread. Anybody have an opinion on the unfortunate fact that only Zero Tolerance will have any effect on gun violence?

WSS

BaconHound

Unfortunately the mere discussion of guns in America is being framed improperly, it's about practical real life experience and not idealism.

Westside Steve

@baconhound said:

Unfortunately the mere discussion of guns in America is being framed improperly, it's about practical real life experience and not idealism.

you will need to elaborate on that.

WSS

MLD Woody

@calfoxwc said:

http://www.azquotes.com/author/21938-Maxine_Waters

so, here's some real quotes by stupid maxine waters

https://www.truthorfiction.com/maxine-waters-i-march-because-my-mother-couldnt-have-an-abortion/

Looks like there's a very real chance that is fake. So good start there Cal... But I can't say I'm surprised. You only know how to find info you agree with, not reputable info.

MLD Woody

@westside-steve said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/maxinepwaters

By the way didn't mean to get hijacked into an entire Maxine Waters thread. Anybody have an opinion on the unfortunate fact that only Zero Tolerance will have any effect on gun violence?

WSS

I'm sure you didn't, but that shed a light on a very real, underlying problem with any political debate. How are we going to debate the merits of gun control when you, and so many others, believe a fake twitter account? When you believe whatever fake news goes in front of you because it reinforces your beliefs?

It's hard to have any real debate there. The other side has to first tell you why your info is actual fake news. And then if you're presented with real info that disagrees with your worldview it will be called fake news.

I get you think that Maxine Waters stuff was off topic... But it's at the very core of what's wrong with our country politically today.

OldBrownsFan

I think the gun control debate should be this: How do we protect gun rights for law abiding citizens and keep guns away from those who have no business owning one much less something like an assault rifle? In the latest case it sure looks like the FBI dropped the ball when they were tipped off about the shooter in Florida and failed to do anything. In the church shooting a few months ago the shooter should not have been able to have a gun with a domestic violence in the Air Force that failed to get entered into the system. We have to be honest and admit that there are no laws that can prevent these shootings but we can take steps to try to minimize them. Like most issues with terrorism we should look to our friends in Israel and use their models in our own schools with armed teachers and better security. Designated "gun free" zones are just plain stupid and probably even make things worse as murderers know they will be facing unarmed people. What I don't want to see happen is law abiding citizens losing their second amendment rights over the actions of a few evil people.

Westside Steve

@mld-woody said:

I'm sure you didn't, but that shed a light on a very real, underlying problem with any political debate. How are we going to debate the merits of gun control when you, and so many others, believe a fake twitter account? When you believe whatever fake news goes in front of you because it reinforces your beliefs?

It's hard to have any real debate there. The other side has to first tell you why your info is actual fake news. And then if you're presented with real info that disagrees with your worldview it will be called fake news.

I get you think that Maxine Waters stuff was off topic... But it's at the very core of what's wrong with our country politically today.

Actually I neglected to check out the post which I usually do. And I admitted it. And even after that rather than to add anything to the conversation you continue down your road of defending Ms Waters tooth and nail.

WSS

Canton Dawg

Just think, over 3000 Americans lost their lives on 9/11 and not a single shot was fired.

The Oklahoma City bomber killed 168 with fertilizer.

There was a guy in China that hacked and killed 34 to death with a knife.

Vehicles seem to be en Vogue these days, used to mow down pedestrians.

Stopping the guns isn’t the answer, where there’s a will...there’s a way.

Westside Steve

@canton-dawg said:

Just think, over 3000 Americans lost their lives on 9/11 and not a single shot was fired.

The Oklahoma City bomber killed 168 with fertilizer.

There was a guy in China that hacked and killed 34 to death with a knife.

Vehicles seem to be en Vogue these days, used to mow down pedestrians.

Stopping the guns isn’t the answer, where there’s a will...there’s a way.

That's not true. The only way to cut down on or stop gun violence is a zero tolerance policy for gun possession. 10 or 20 years for possession 20 or 40 for selling 40 to life for smuggling. Guaranteed prison terms sooner or later the guns will be gone and there will be less gun violence. That's really the case. Anybody disagree? You're dreaming.

I'm not advocating that just facing the fact. And yes we will still have butcher knives arson swords clubs vehicles Etc but if the goal is really to eliminate gun violence that's it.

We want the issue not the solution.

WSS

DieHardBrownsFan

Never happen. It would be impossible to enforce in this country. There are millions upon millions of guns already out, with probably billions of ammo, etc. Records of who owns what are probably very sketchy at best.

Westside Steve

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Never happen. It would be impossible to enforce in this country. There are millions upon millions of guns already out, with probably billions of ammo, etc. Records of who owns what are probably very sketchy at best.

I never said it would happen I never said I advocated it. I said that's the only policy that will work. And even if it did the effort would have to be draconian and it would take decades.

WSS

MLD Woody

@westside-steve said:

Actually I neglected to check out the post which I usually do. And I admitted it. And even after that rather than to add anything to the conversation you continue down your road of defending Ms Waters tooth and nail.

WSS

Except I'm not defending her at all. I'm pointing out that something you posted was wrong. Another common pitfall on this board.

If false information about Hilary is posted, and then I debunk it, I'm not defending Hilary. I'm just pointing out false information. Actual fake news. I'm defending the idea of what a real debate should be.

Both that, and the continued willingness to be fooled by and then spread false information, are two major points in why any political debate with people like this are pointless. How is any ground or compromise going to be made when someone is so easily and willingly swayed by false info.

I called Cal out for something similar in another thread. He proceeded to backtrack in one, and then post more unauthenticated quotes. He literally has such a poor understanding of what a legitimate source is that, in order to defend himself on posting fake quotes, he did the exact same thing again

All of this is on topic. All of this is at the core of those clusterShmuck of a board. A microcosm of our American politics as a hole. Why would anyone try to debate the merits of gun control when people are easily swayed by a meme on Facebook?

BaconHound

@westside-steve said:

you will need to elaborate on that.

WSS

Gun control advocates are too quick to act as if banning certain guns or background checks will solve the problem and gun rights advocates drape themselves in the flag and act as though any discussion on limiting gun access means communist Russia is our next evolution.

Canton Dawg

MLD Woody

@canton-dawg said:

So we should make drugs legal?

JAFBF

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