Trade Kizer and release Gordon ?
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Maybe he had a deadline and nothing going on in his head?
Which is different from any other time.... how?
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We'd be idiots to trade Kizer
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We'd be idiots to trade Kizer
Exactly Woodster- he's still on his rookie 2nd round deal (looked it up on spotrac just over $1 million) and at worst he'll be third string this year.
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News must be slow for LaCanfora.. this is only a move we "should" do when you realize his initial assumption is that the Browns "should" always be making bad deals that benefit everyone else.
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DeShone Kizer #7 QB
Cleveland Browns | Official Team Site
Height: 6-4 Weight: 233 Age: 22
Born: 1/3/1996 Toledo , OH
College: Notre Dame
Experience: 2nd season
High School: Central Catholic HS [Toledo, OH]
TDS
11
INT
22
YDS
2,894
RTG
60.5
PASSINGYear Team G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate 2017 Cleveland Browns 15 476 255 53.6 31.7 2,894 6.1 192.9 11 2.3 22 4.6 56T 43 3 38 226 60.5 TOTAL 15 476 255 53.6 31.7 2,894 6.1 192.9 11 2.3 22 4.6 56 43 3 38 226 60.5 RUSHINGYear Team G Att Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Lng 1st 1st% 20+ 40+ FUM 2017 Cleveland Browns 15 77 5.1 419 5.4 27.9 5 20 28 36.4 2 0 3 TOTAL 15 77 5.1 419 5.4 27.9 5 20 28 36.4 2 0 3 FUMBLESYear Team G FUM Lost FF Rec Rec Yds Yds TD OOB Sfty TB 2017 Cleveland Browns 15 9 6 -- 2 -- 0 -- -- 0 0 0 TOTAL 15 9 6 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 
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247 is trash and Canfora is a hack.
we usually don't agree on much, but you're dead right.
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I would have never drafted the kid. That said, I will repeat myself for #201, he has more upside, and greater physical skills than any QB we have, and more than likely, any QB we are considering.
The kid had the Steelers dead to rights. Fumble fingers Coleman screwed the kid over. Kizer can play. Unfortunately, he mixes in enough horseschidt to sour an entire game. Decision making? He can get better. Really, is he costing so much that releasing him is a big bonus? WHo would we put in his place?
Sorry, this kid has better skills than RG3. He likes his job, the players like him, he isn't making a mess off the field and reportedly he is a hard butt worker. Black Tarkenton or not, you gotta be nuts to get rid of a kid of this caliber.
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Yea, we know all about him....what's your point?
Yea, we know all about him....what's your point?
He sucks.
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Trading Kizer makes no sense. Although he had a miserable season, he still got a TON of experience. If the game ever slows down for him, we may have a solid backup QB worst case, and best case we have a guy who could start (although severely unlikely). Kizer was 21 people, and he showed toughness, grit, and best of all, heart. That last game against Pittsburgh really showed me something, and although he started off MISERABLY and our team was down 14 early, he didn't lose his head and probably finished playing the best game of the year. And don't give me any crap about Pittsburgh resting their players because they didn't. The ONLY defensive player who didn't play was their star DT.
It's not worth discussing trading Josh Gordon because that's dumb.
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I would have never drafted the kid. That said, I will repeat myself for #201, he has more upside, and greater physical skills than any QB we have, and more than likely, any QB we are considering.
The kid had the Steelers dead to rights. Fumble fingers Coleman screwed the kid over. Kizer can play. Unfortunately, he mixes in enough horseschidt to sour an entire game. Decision making? He can get better. Really, is he costing so much that releasing him is a big bonus? WHo would we put in his place?
Sorry, this kid has better skills than RG3. He likes his job, the players like him, he isn't making a mess off the field and reportedly he is a hard butt worker. Black Tarkenton or not, you gotta be nuts to get rid of a kid of this caliber.
I would have never drafted the kid. That said, I will repeat myself for #201, he has more upside, and greater physical skills than any QB we have, and more than likely, any QB we are considering.
The kid had the Steelers dead to rights. Fumble fingers Coleman screwed the kid over. Kizer can play. Unfortunately, he mixes in enough horseschidt to sour an entire game. Decision making? He can get better. Really, is he costing so much that releasing him is a big bonus? WHo would we put in his place?
Sorry, this kid has better skills than RG3. He likes his job, the players like him, he isn't making a mess off the field and reportedly he is a hard butt worker. Black Tarkenton or not, you gotta be nuts to get rid of a kid of this caliber.
With a real HC the rookie could have had 4-5 wins in 2017. Huey Fig Newton did him no favors and his so called "receivers" even less so. I have not given up on him either.
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Yea, we know all about him....what's your point?
He sucks.
OK, Fair point!
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I would have never drafted the kid. That said, I will repeat myself for #201, he has more upside, and greater physical skills than any QB we have, and more than likely, any QB we are considering.
The kid had the Steelers dead to rights. Fumble fingers Coleman screwed the kid over. Kizer can play. Unfortunately, he mixes in enough horseschidt to sour an entire game. Decision making? He can get better. Really, is he costing so much that releasing him is a big bonus? WHo would we put in his place?
Sorry, this kid has better skills than RG3. He likes his job, the players like him, he isn't making a mess off the field and reportedly he is a hard butt worker. Black Tarkenton or not, you gotta be nuts to get rid of a kid of this caliber.
I would have never drafted the kid. That said, I will repeat myself for #201, he has more upside, and greater physical skills than any QB we have, and more than likely, any QB we are considering.
The kid had the Steelers dead to rights. Fumble fingers Coleman screwed the kid over. Kizer can play. Unfortunately, he mixes in enough horseschidt to sour an entire game. Decision making? He can get better. Really, is he costing so much that releasing him is a big bonus? WHo would we put in his place?
Sorry, this kid has better skills than RG3. He likes his job, the players like him, he isn't making a mess off the field and reportedly he is a hard butt worker. Black Tarkenton or not, you gotta be nuts to get rid of a kid of this caliber.
Agree that we do not dump him. He does have that raw potential....but no, no reason to get rid of him. That does not mean though that we do not bring in his potential replacement.
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We'd be idiots to trade Kizer
Exactly Woodster- he's still on his rookie 2nd round deal (looked it up on spotrac just over $1 million) and at worst he'll be third string this year.
Exactly Woodster- he's still on his rookie 2nd round deal (looked it up on spotrac just over $1 million) and at worst he'll be third string this year.
Some people may not realize that Kizer didn't really have that much experience at ND plus he was a passing and running QB there, doesn't always translate to the NFL game. And maybe he had recievers that could catch?
Passing
Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Notre Dame 422 695 60.7 5805 8.4 8.5 47 19 147.7 *2015 Notre Dame Ind SO QB 13 210 334 62.9 2880 8.6 8.5 21 10 150.1 2016 Notre Dame Ind JR QB 12 212 361 58.7 2925 8.1 8.4 26 9 145.6 Rushing Receiving Scrimmage Year School Conf Class Pos G Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD Plays Yds Avg TD Career Notre Dame 264 997 3.8 18 1 4 4.0 0 265 1001 3.8 18 *2015 Notre Dame Ind SO QB 13 135 525 3.9 10 0 0 0 135 525 3.9 10 2016 Notre Dame Ind JR QB 12 129 472 3.7 8 1 4 4.0 0 130 476 3.7 8 -
Exactly Woodster- he's still on his rookie 2nd round deal (looked it up on spotrac just over $1 million) and at worst he'll be third string this year.
Some people may not realize that Kizer didn't really have that much experience at ND plus he was a passing and running QB there, doesn't always translate to the NFL game. And maybe he had recievers that could catch?
Passing
Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Notre Dame 422 695 60.7 5805 8.4 8.5 47 19 147.7 *2015 Notre Dame Ind SO QB 13 210 334 62.9 2880 8.6 8.5 21 10 150.1 2016 Notre Dame Ind JR QB 12 212 361 58.7 2925 8.1 8.4 26 9 145.6 Rushing Receiving Scrimmage Year School Conf Class Pos G Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD Plays Yds Avg TD Career Notre Dame 264 997 3.8 18 1 4 4.0 0 265 1001 3.8 18 *2015 Notre Dame Ind SO QB 13 135 525 3.9 10 0 0 0 135 525 3.9 10 2016 Notre Dame Ind JR QB 12 129 472 3.7 8 1 4 4.0 0 130 476 3.7 8 Some people may not realize that Kizer didn't really have that much experience at ND plus he was a passing and running QB there, doesn't always translate to the NFL game. And maybe he had recievers that could catch?
There are a lot of times that I wish he would have run instead of thrown. How many of his Ints. were in the red zone? A fair number. If he had just run instead of throwing all those picks....the Browns may have actually won a couple of games. It would at least have given us FG opportunities, rather than being a turnover.
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Some people may not realize that Kizer didn't really have that much experience at ND plus he was a passing and running QB there, doesn't always translate to the NFL game. And maybe he had recievers that could catch?
There are a lot of times that I wish he would have run instead of thrown. How many of his Ints. were in the red zone? A fair number. If he had just run instead of throwing all those picks....the Browns may have actually won a couple of games. It would at least have given us FG opportunities, rather than being a turnover.
There are a lot of times that I wish he would have run instead of thrown. How many of his Ints. were in the red zone? A fair number. If he had just run instead of throwing all those picks....the Browns may have actually won a couple of games. It would at least have given us FG opportunities, rather than being a turnover.
There are really only two situations in which I wish he had ran last year 1) When he was under center 2) When he took snaps in shotgun.
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I would have never drafted the kid. That said, I will repeat myself for #201, he has more upside, and greater physical skills than any QB we have, and more than likely, any QB we are considering.
The kid had the Steelers dead to rights. Fumble fingers Coleman screwed the kid over. Kizer can play. Unfortunately, he mixes in enough horseschidt to sour an entire game. Decision making? He can get better. Really, is he costing so much that releasing him is a big bonus? WHo would we put in his place?
Sorry, this kid has better skills than RG3. He likes his job, the players like him, he isn't making a mess off the field and reportedly he is a hard butt worker. Black Tarkenton or not, you gotta be nuts to get rid of a kid of this caliber.
Agree that we do not dump him. He does have that raw potential....but no, no reason to get rid of him. That does not mean though that we do not bring in his potential replacement.
Agree that we do not dump him. He does have that raw potential....but no, no reason to get rid of him. That does not mean though that we do not bring in his potential replacement.
You know Gip, who are you, Hue, me, or anyone else to say that a veteran or new draftee will be his replacement? The new guy is still going to have to compete. The last time I looked, nobody gave Kizer the starting job. Whatever the level of talent we had, Kizer beat them. How do we know that Kizer won't beat out McCarron, et. al?
Here is what bothers me about this schidt pile. At QB, we aren't looking for a QB, we are looking for a savior, a miracle worker, someone to magically save the jobs of management and make the owner look respectable.
If we are looking for a QB? Then Kizer is not a question mark. He is part of this team and it is in everyone's interest to make this kid all he can be. I think Hue and the Browns treated this kid like schidt. Pulling him, not giving him confidence, not giving him weapons, and giving him an unimaginative, sitting duck offense that Joe Montana couldn't succeed in.
Anyone can draft talent. All these kids have talent. Developing players, that's what the Browns suck at. Kizer is a solid athlete, and a solid young man. You don't get rid of that spirit, you build on it.
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Hey guys, first post and life long Raider fan here. I applaud the Browns for sticking with Gordon and the way he is humbly dedicated to the team. I hope he retires a Brown.
I wanted to pop in and offer my input to you guys and to be honest you are not that far of. Some things I would consider:
Sign McCarron and by all means keep Kizer, but stash as the #2 and let him settle down from 2017.
Miami just tagged Landry. Make a serious run at him ( you got cap, use it now $15 - $16 mil per annum), send Miami your #4 this year and next yrs first.You have all those second rnd picks to make up for the loss of #4. Landry on one side, Gordon on the other (drool)
Sign Gordon, I believe he would sign for a reasonable amount
Draft Barkley #1
Good luck on the season
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Agree that we do not dump him. He does have that raw potential....but no, no reason to get rid of him. That does not mean though that we do not bring in his potential replacement.
You know Gip, who are you, Hue, me, or anyone else to say that a veteran or new draftee will be his replacement? The new guy is still going to have to compete. The last time I looked, nobody gave Kizer the starting job. Whatever the level of talent we had, Kizer beat them. How do we know that Kizer won't beat out McCarron, et. al?
Here is what bothers me about this schidt pile. At QB, we aren't looking for a QB, we are looking for a savior, a miracle worker, someone to magically save the jobs of management and make the owner look respectable.
If we are looking for a QB? Then Kizer is not a question mark. He is part of this team and it is in everyone's interest to make this kid all he can be. I think Hue and the Browns treated this kid like schidt. Pulling him, not giving him confidence, not giving him weapons, and giving him an unimaginative, sitting duck offense that Joe Montana couldn't succeed in.
Anyone can draft talent. All these kids have talent. Developing players, that's what the Browns suck at. Kizer is a solid athlete, and a solid young man. You don't get rid of that spirit, you build on it.
You know Gip, who are you, Hue, me, or anyone else to say that a veteran or new draftee will be his replacement? The new guy is still going to have to compete. The last time I looked, nobody gave Kizer the starting job. Whatever the level of talent we had, Kizer beat them. How do we know that Kizer won't beat out McCarron, et. al?
Hue gave him the job.
The pee wee football coach naming his bench warmer son starting QB doesnt make it right.
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