Barkley at #1?
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No.
How many playoff games have the Cowboys won with Ezekiel Elliot?
Zeke only gets 2 years to win a playoff game or he's a horrible idea? Come on.
Before Emmitt Smith game changed Troy Aikman's situation from multiple concussions against Philly alone to frequenting playoffs and Superbowl Championships - their only playmaker Michael Irvin was waiting for help.
My point was, unless you think Dak Prescott didn't need Zeke's help at all, is he was a tremendous help to a first year starter at QB that wasn't the 1st or 2nd QB drafted ending in a Rookie of the Year celebration nobody saw coming.
Along the same line, Marshall Faulk was a gigantic help to a first year starter named Kurt Warner that was punctuated with Superbowl Championship, MVP and Pro Bowl honors for a QB nobody saw coming.
In saying all that, thanks for showing me if Barkley just played for Ohio State - Tia would be defending him the way you just got him to do. Good job with that. It looks like Barkley just had all those receptions, receiving yardage, rushing yardage, TDs and 1 Big 10 Championship to celebrate for the wrong school. Maybe I'm just getting old but I don't remember too many other Big 10 Championships at Penn State the last 13 years or so before Barkley became their big play maker. I think if we can get past the patriotism for Ohio State - we'd allow ourselves to see a pretty damn good football player if we wanted to. The thing Ohio State had when they won the National Championship that Zeke didn't was a defense that stockpiled the NFL draft. And I think Ohio State put more starters on offense and defense into NFL starting lineups in fairness.
Zeke is one of my all time fave RBs at Ohio State so I have zero to put down and loved his most underrated feature of BLOCKING beside his breakaway ability to score from anywhere. Barkley can score from anywhere as well - inclusive of passing game and kickoff return. Even though Ohio State manhandled PSU's line up front this year - Barkley had a kickoff return for a TD and a reception for a TD just 1 year after they beat Ohio State head to head. Yeah, Ohio State got to go to the Final 4 instead of the Big 10 Champions in 2016 but they lost 42-0. So, Barkley had to settle for scoring 3 TDs against USC with 194 yards rushing on 25 carries plus 5 receptions for 55 yards in the Bowl game they lost 52-49.
Zeke only gets 2 years to win a playoff game or he's a horrible idea? Come on.
Before Emmitt Smith game changed Troy Aikman's situation from multiple concussions against Philly alone to frequenting playoffs and Superbowl Championships - their only playmaker Michael Irvin was waiting for help.
My point was, unless you think Dak Prescott didn't need Zeke's help at all, is he was a tremendous help to a first year starter at QB that wasn't the 1st or 2nd QB drafted ending in a Rookie of the Year celebration nobody saw coming.
Along the same line, Marshall Faulk was a gigantic help to a first year starter named Kurt Warner that was punctuated with Superbowl Championship, MVP and Pro Bowl honors for a QB nobody saw coming.
In saying all that, thanks for showing me if Barkley just played for Ohio State - Tia would be defending him the way you just got him to do. Good job with that. It looks like Barkley just had all those receptions, receiving yardage, rushing yardage, TDs and 1 Big 10 Championship to celebrate for the wrong school. Maybe I'm just getting old but I don't remember too many other Big 10 Championships at Penn State the last 13 years or so before Barkley became their big play maker. I think if we can get past the patriotism for Ohio State - we'd allow ourselves to see a pretty damn good football player if we wanted to. The thing Ohio State had when they won the National Championship that Zeke didn't was a defense that stockpiled the NFL draft. And I think Ohio State put more starters on offense and defense into NFL starting lineups in fairness.
Zeke is one of my all time fave RBs at Ohio State so I have zero to put down and loved his most underrated feature of BLOCKING beside his breakaway ability to score from anywhere. Barkley can score from anywhere as well - inclusive of passing game and kickoff return. Even though Ohio State manhandled PSU's line up front this year - Barkley had a kickoff return for a TD and a reception for a TD just 1 year after they beat Ohio State head to head. Yeah, Ohio State got to go to the Final 4 instead of the Big 10 Champions in 2016 but they lost 42-0. So, Barkley had to settle for scoring 3 TDs against USC with 194 yards rushing on 25 carries plus 5 receptions for 55 yards in the Bowl game they lost 52-49.
They lost 31-0 ?
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For those of you saying no why? Is it because you are just against an RB at 1 or do you really think a QB solution has to be pick1??
For those of you saying no why? Is it because you are just against an RB at 1 or do you really think a QB solution has to be pick1??
Against a RB that high in the modern NFL especially when it's becoming more and more obvious you can find tremendous value and production past the 1st round now.
Love Zeke and watching him, but would you rather have a 5-6 year back as a top 5 pick or spend that pick on a position with more longevity while taking someone like... David Johnson in a later round? I lean towards the latter.
edit: I'm also of the belief Barkley is a combine freak only because I don't love what I see on tape.
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I respect your opinion and where you are coming from Nero. However, I don't see a scoring threat from anywhere on the field from our starting RB Crow who may be leaving via FA. In fact, how many TDs did he even score? Not all his fault, but so many times when he hit the open field - he'd trip or fall down rather than acceleration gear anybody. We're very non-competitive at our starting RB position IMO. Since RBs touch the ball more frequently than any other position beside QB - we need our starter to have at least the same ability to catch and score as Duke. I tried to spell a lot of why I liked him out but I probably put too many people to sleep with how long-winded I got.
My avatar is Greg Pruitt that was a home run threat any time he touched the football in the pass game or the running game especially. We've missed a breakaway threat at RB forever; and this one weighs about 230 lbs. He's unique man.
I said "our biggest hole" I didn't say it wasn't a hole. Crowell isn't a homerun RB and Hue doesn't know how to call run plays, we definitely need to draft a RB. But our holes at QB and CB/Safety are far bigger.
I said "our biggest hole" I didn't say it wasn't a hole. Crowell isn't a homerun RB and Hue doesn't know how to call run plays, we definitely need to draft a RB. But our holes at QB and CB/Safety are far bigger.
I was editing it while you were replying so please take a look at scoring TDs on offense as our biggest hole. It is and aside from the QB position what position on offense touches the ball 2nd most frequently? If that's not enough, Crow is also a FA that may no longer be with us.
If you want to see what playing gridiron chess exclusively with pawns feels like - challenge someone to a game of chess and only use pawns but let your opponent use all the major attack pieces plus his pawns. Then tell me how easy is it is to use coherent strategies. It wasn't like the bad playcalling started just in 2016. Yeah, I agree it was horrible. That said, when the SAME OC had talent in Cincy - they were 12-4 with the guy playing gridiron chess feeling way less desperate and knee jerky than he was with the talent he had to work with in Cleveland. The year after he left Cincy they dropped to 6-9-1 with players complaining about the flat line in play calling (ie AJ Green) which carried over into 2017. Even better, Hue has hired a replacement at OC so he can focus more on being a HC that he was hired to be.
Nero, if we don't draft a QB first overall (assuming NYG and Indy don't want the #1 pass rusher in the draft) - what is the maximum # of QBs that will be drafted at #2 and #3 overall? In a year where there is arguably no clear cut consensus #1 QB prospect - there is very little drop-off in the top 3 QBs. Darnold wasn't even confident enough to compete this weekend while others stepped up and did well for themselves. My point is we'll have a top QB prospect in this draft class at #4 overall not to be confused with round 2 or 3 or 4. Not only that, we have enough money to land a very qualified FA veteran our rookie QB can learn from if necessary.
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Zeke only gets 2 years to win a playoff game or he's a horrible idea? Come on.
Before Emmitt Smith game changed Troy Aikman's situation from multiple concussions against Philly alone to frequenting playoffs and Superbowl Championships - their only playmaker Michael Irvin was waiting for help.
My point was, unless you think Dak Prescott didn't need Zeke's help at all, is he was a tremendous help to a first year starter at QB that wasn't the 1st or 2nd QB drafted ending in a Rookie of the Year celebration nobody saw coming.
Along the same line, Marshall Faulk was a gigantic help to a first year starter named Kurt Warner that was punctuated with Superbowl Championship, MVP and Pro Bowl honors for a QB nobody saw coming.
In saying all that, thanks for showing me if Barkley just played for Ohio State - Tia would be defending him the way you just got him to do. Good job with that. It looks like Barkley just had all those receptions, receiving yardage, rushing yardage, TDs and 1 Big 10 Championship to celebrate for the wrong school. Maybe I'm just getting old but I don't remember too many other Big 10 Championships at Penn State the last 13 years or so before Barkley became their big play maker. I think if we can get past the patriotism for Ohio State - we'd allow ourselves to see a pretty damn good football player if we wanted to. The thing Ohio State had when they won the National Championship that Zeke didn't was a defense that stockpiled the NFL draft. And I think Ohio State put more starters on offense and defense into NFL starting lineups in fairness.
Zeke is one of my all time fave RBs at Ohio State so I have zero to put down and loved his most underrated feature of BLOCKING beside his breakaway ability to score from anywhere. Barkley can score from anywhere as well - inclusive of passing game and kickoff return. Even though Ohio State manhandled PSU's line up front this year - Barkley had a kickoff return for a TD and a reception for a TD just 1 year after they beat Ohio State head to head. Yeah, Ohio State got to go to the Final 4 instead of the Big 10 Champions in 2016 but they lost 42-0. So, Barkley had to settle for scoring 3 TDs against USC with 194 yards rushing on 25 carries plus 5 receptions for 55 yards in the Bowl game they lost 52-49.
They lost 31-0 ?
They lost 31-0 ?
My bad, but that didn't make it any more of a nail biter.
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They lost 31-0 ?
My bad, but that didn't make it any more of a nail biter.
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If Barkley is the for sure the best player and you are 1-31 last two years...you take him...end of story. You can get a QB at # 4. The argument that a RB hasn't went number 1 in 23 years doesn't matter. If Crowell leaves and you don't think Johnson is more than a change of pace back and a pass catcher out of the backfield then it makes sense. In the case of Barkley it seems his attitude is good...his college film is good...his combine numbers are good... Bo Jackson, Earl Campbell, O.J. Simpson were all number 1 overall picks. Ki Jana Carter would have been a player if he hadn't shredded his knee week 1 of the pre-season and never really looked the same. The running back can't go first overall statement is horse piss. Do you think he is the best TALENT in this draft? If he isn't hands down then don't select him...if he is then he goes number 1. I am not a scout, not a coach, not a GM so it really doesn't matter what the hell I think...I am just saying...
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For those of you saying no why? Is it because you are just against an RB at 1 or do you really think a QB solution has to be pick1??
Against a RB that high in the modern NFL especially when it's becoming more and more obvious you can find tremendous value and production past the 1st round now.
Love Zeke and watching him, but would you rather have a 5-6 year back as a top 5 pick or spend that pick on a position with more longevity while taking someone like... David Johnson in a later round? I lean towards the latter.
edit: I'm also of the belief Barkley is a combine freak only because I don't love what I see on tape.
Against a RB that high in the modern NFL especially when it's becoming more and more obvious you can find tremendous value and production past the 1st round now.
Love Zeke and watching him, but would you rather have a 5-6 year back as a top 5 pick or spend that pick on a position with more longevity while taking someone like... David Johnson in a later round? I lean towards the latter.
edit: I'm also of the belief Barkley is a combine freak only because I don't love what I see on tape.
Modern football varies. Some teams would like a guy that can do it all like Zeke, Bell and Gurley while others want to want to be more of a 2 man committee like Ingram and Kamara.
How much tape did you watch? The guy had 54 receptions for 632 yards and 3 TDs to mirror the hands you watched at the combines right? What sucks about that specifically? That's got modern NFL written all over it T. On top of that, he ran for 1271 yards on 217 carries for 5.9 yards per carry and 18 TDs in 2017 plus returning 2 kickoffs for TDs for 426 more yards. That looks like football player matching combine numbers to me in the sum of 23 TDs in just 13 games.
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Against a RB that high in the modern NFL especially when it's becoming more and more obvious you can find tremendous value and production past the 1st round now.
Love Zeke and watching him, but would you rather have a 5-6 year back as a top 5 pick or spend that pick on a position with more longevity while taking someone like... David Johnson in a later round? I lean towards the latter.
edit: I'm also of the belief Barkley is a combine freak only because I don't love what I see on tape.
Modern football varies. Some teams would like a guy that can do it all like Zeke, Bell and Gurley while others want to want to be more of a 2 man committee like Ingram and Kamara.
How much tape did you watch? The guy had 54 receptions for 632 yards and 3 TDs to mirror the hands you watched at the combines right? What sucks about that specifically? That's got modern NFL written all over it T. On top of that, he ran for 1271 yards on 217 carries for 5.9 yards per carry and 18 TDs in 2017 plus returning 2 kickoffs for TDs for 426 more yards. That looks like football player matching combine numbers to me in the sum of 23 TDs in just 13 games.
Modern football varies. Some teams would like a guy that can do it all like Zeke, Bell and Gurley while others want to want to be more of a 2 man committee like Ingram and Kamara.
How much tape did you watch? The guy had 54 receptions for 632 yards and 3 TDs to mirror the hands you watched at the combines right? What sucks about that specifically? That's got modern NFL written all over it T. On top of that, he ran for 1271 yards on 217 carries for 5.9 yards per carry and 18 TDs in 2017 plus returning 2 kickoffs for TDs for 426 more yards. That looks like football player matching combine numbers to me in the sum of 23 TDs in just 13 games.
To answer your questions - would I take Ingram and Kamara over Quon?.... yeah.
How much tape? Almost all of 2017 and some 16'. Also never said anything of it "sucks".. just not in love with what I saw.
I've resorted myself to not bother with full evals on players I'm not overly fond of - Saquon is one of them. So the condensed version. He has receptions but his propensity for the occasional "focus" drop is something that raises a red flag. I don't believe he's as slippery in the open field as his combine stats and certain highlights make him to be. For the one move he put on the Iowa backer, he couldn't clear the nickel DB and for possessing "power back" size/strength, really seems to not play with much desire for contact. That was a trend on tape. I heard a comparison to LT and had to chuckle because Tomlinson was a patient, tackles/gap runner with brilliant vision and with balance especially after contact. For the most part Quon gets the yards his line blocks for a little else unless some defender just misses him or he makes them miss. I believe that's why you'll see him rip one for 70 then do jack-Sheet the rest of the game. I really don't see Barkley as the next LT. He's bigger and still no where near as violent. The times he has taken huge losses or runs for little/no gain it's almost like he's unwilling to lower his shoulder, get behind his pads and punish a defender so he instead tries to outrun or out move everybody. You can dismiss that all you want but that might be the biggest concern I have. His lack of history showing that he will just try to power ahead and keep the chains moving as opposed to constantly attempting the home run shot. I want a threat to score but also the sort of back that will wear down a defense as the game goes on. Believe me, I'll be more than happy to go at someone in space. However stopping a guy with 30+lbs on me down hill with a head of steam? That Sheet suuuuucks and makes you think twice.
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For those of you saying no why? Is it because you are just against an RB at 1 or do you really think a QB solution has to be pick1??
I've slightly changed my mind about Barkley #1 overall. Some of this is Combine Euphoria workout warrior stuff. Vernon Gholston anyone? I'm going to let the dust settle before I throw my hat in the Saquon ring. Still 60% QB at #1.
It's been well documented Saquon got most of his yardage outside the tackles- a lot tougher act to repeat in the NFL. Sure teams were keying on stopping him- but I noticed in the TE Combine workouts Penn State's Mike Gesicki isn't exactly a bum- my bet is he's first round for sure. For Saquon's runs- it was swing miss, swing miss, home run.
MHO is still #1 QB + Fitzpartick\Chubb is > Barkley + ? QB. And we still may have the scenario where quarterbacks go with the top 3 picks- and Barkley is still there at #4.
Stay tuned folks.
I've slightly changed my mind about Barkley #1 overall. Some of this is Combine Euphoria workout warrior stuff. Vernon Gholston anyone? I'm going to let the dust settle before I throw my hat in the Saquon ring. Still 60% QB at #1.
It's been well documented Saquon got most of his yardage outside the tackles- a lot tougher act to repeat in the NFL. Sure teams were keying on stopping him- but I noticed in the TE Combine workouts Penn State's Mike Gesicki isn't exactly a bum- my bet is he's first round for sure. For Saquon's runs- it was swing miss, swing miss, home run.
MHO is still #1 QB + Fitzpartick\Chubb is > Barkley + ? QB. And we still may have the scenario where quarterbacks go with the top 3 picks- and Barkley is still there at #4.
Stay tuned folks.
The difference between Barkley and Gholston is Gholston only had 1 strength/pass rush move while he was Raggedy Ann against the run and pass in the NFL. Barkley can catch 54 passes for 632 yards and 3 TDs in a 13 game season while adding 18 TDs and 1271 more yards via the running game and also contribute 2 kickoffs for TDs matching football player to combine numbers.
The Barkley hype didn't begin at the combines Larry. It began kicking into gear when PSU won the Big 10 Championship his soph year behind his 1898 yards from scrimmage and 22 TDs. When he improved all that as a junior - he only needed the combine to confirm what people saw on the field. And it did.
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Modern football varies. Some teams would like a guy that can do it all like Zeke, Bell and Gurley while others want to want to be more of a 2 man committee like Ingram and Kamara.
How much tape did you watch? The guy had 54 receptions for 632 yards and 3 TDs to mirror the hands you watched at the combines right? What sucks about that specifically? That's got modern NFL written all over it T. On top of that, he ran for 1271 yards on 217 carries for 5.9 yards per carry and 18 TDs in 2017 plus returning 2 kickoffs for TDs for 426 more yards. That looks like football player matching combine numbers to me in the sum of 23 TDs in just 13 games.
To answer your questions - would I take Ingram and Kamara over Quon?.... yeah.
How much tape? Almost all of 2017 and some 16'. Also never said anything of it "sucks".. just not in love with what I saw.
I've resorted myself to not bother with full evals on players I'm not overly fond of - Saquon is one of them. So the condensed version. He has receptions but his propensity for the occasional "focus" drop is something that raises a red flag. I don't believe he's as slippery in the open field as his combine stats and certain highlights make him to be. For the one move he put on the Iowa backer, he couldn't clear the nickel DB and for possessing "power back" size/strength, really seems to not play with much desire for contact. That was a trend on tape. I heard a comparison to LT and had to chuckle because Tomlinson was a patient, tackles/gap runner with brilliant vision and with balance especially after contact. For the most part Quon gets the yards his line blocks for a little else unless some defender just misses him or he makes them miss. I believe that's why you'll see him rip one for 70 then do jack-Sheet the rest of the game. I really don't see Barkley as the next LT. He's bigger and still no where near as violent. The times he has taken huge losses or runs for little/no gain it's almost like he's unwilling to lower his shoulder, get behind his pads and punish a defender so he instead tries to outrun or out move everybody. You can dismiss that all you want but that might be the biggest concern I have. His lack of history showing that he will just try to power ahead and keep the chains moving as opposed to constantly attempting the home run shot. I want a threat to score but also the sort of back that will wear down a defense as the game goes on. Believe me, I'll be more than happy to go at someone in space. However stopping a guy with 30+lbs on me down hill with a head of steam? That Sheet suuuuucks and makes you think twice.
To answer your questions - would I take Ingram and Kamara over Quon?.... yeah.
How much tape? Almost all of 2017 and some 16'. Also never said anything of it "sucks".. just not in love with what I saw.
I've resorted myself to not bother with full evals on players I'm not overly fond of - Saquon is one of them. So the condensed version. He has receptions but his propensity for the occasional "focus" drop is something that raises a red flag. I don't believe he's as slippery in the open field as his combine stats and certain highlights make him to be. For the one move he put on the Iowa backer, he couldn't clear the nickel DB and for possessing "power back" size/strength, really seems to not play with much desire for contact. That was a trend on tape. I heard a comparison to LT and had to chuckle because Tomlinson was a patient, tackles/gap runner with brilliant vision and with balance especially after contact. For the most part Quon gets the yards his line blocks for a little else unless some defender just misses him or he makes them miss. I believe that's why you'll see him rip one for 70 then do jack-Sheet the rest of the game. I really don't see Barkley as the next LT. He's bigger and still no where near as violent. The times he has taken huge losses or runs for little/no gain it's almost like he's unwilling to lower his shoulder, get behind his pads and punish a defender so he instead tries to outrun or out move everybody. You can dismiss that all you want but that might be the biggest concern I have. His lack of history showing that he will just try to power ahead and keep the chains moving as opposed to constantly attempting the home run shot. I want a threat to score but also the sort of back that will wear down a defense as the game goes on. Believe me, I'll be more than happy to go at someone in space. However stopping a guy with 30+lbs on me down hill with a head of steam? That Sheet suuuuucks and makes you think twice.
I didn't ask you if you preferred Ingram and Kamara over Quon. I was just telling you some teams preferred 2 man committees like them while others that have appeared in playoffs have preferred a workhorse like Zeke, Gurley and Bell while I forgot Jax riding on the shoulders on their 1st round RB Fournette.
Even though we disagree on Quon - I enjoy and respect your players evals.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
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Mike Garafolo
Yep. Firmly. As in I truly believe he’s their pick at 1 as of right now. As for the QB and what they might do at 4, there is very strong buzz Cleveland likes Baker Mayfield a lot.
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To answer your questions - would I take Ingram and Kamara over Quon?.... yeah.
How much tape? Almost all of 2017 and some 16'. Also never said anything of it "sucks".. just not in love with what I saw.
I've resorted myself to not bother with full evals on players I'm not overly fond of - Saquon is one of them. So the condensed version. He has receptions but his propensity for the occasional "focus" drop is something that raises a red flag. I don't believe he's as slippery in the open field as his combine stats and certain highlights make him to be. For the one move he put on the Iowa backer, he couldn't clear the nickel DB and for possessing "power back" size/strength, really seems to not play with much desire for contact. That was a trend on tape. I heard a comparison to LT and had to chuckle because Tomlinson was a patient, tackles/gap runner with brilliant vision and with balance especially after contact. For the most part Quon gets the yards his line blocks for a little else unless some defender just misses him or he makes them miss. I believe that's why you'll see him rip one for 70 then do jack-Sheet the rest of the game. I really don't see Barkley as the next LT. He's bigger and still no where near as violent. The times he has taken huge losses or runs for little/no gain it's almost like he's unwilling to lower his shoulder, get behind his pads and punish a defender so he instead tries to outrun or out move everybody. You can dismiss that all you want but that might be the biggest concern I have. His lack of history showing that he will just try to power ahead and keep the chains moving as opposed to constantly attempting the home run shot. I want a threat to score but also the sort of back that will wear down a defense as the game goes on. Believe me, I'll be more than happy to go at someone in space. However stopping a guy with 30+lbs on me down hill with a head of steam? That Sheet suuuuucks and makes you think twice.
I didn't ask you if you preferred Ingram and Kamara over Quon. I was just telling you some teams preferred 2 man committees like them while others that have appeared in playoffs have preferred a workhorse like Zeke, Gurley and Bell while I forgot Jax riding on the shoulders on their 1st round RB Fournette.
Even though we disagree on Quon - I enjoy and respect your players evals.
I didn't ask you if you preferred Ingram and Kamara over Quon. I was just telling you some teams preferred 2 man committees like them while others that have appeared in playoffs have preferred a workhorse like Zeke, Gurley and Bell while I forgot Jax riding on the shoulders on their 1st round RB Fournette.
Even though we disagree on Quon - I enjoy and respect your players evals.
Well I'm telling you that's the type of approach I would prefer as opposed to a one horse show.
Likewise. You're someone that, even at times I find myself disagreeing with, makes a presentable and logical argument.
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I have been in favor of Barkley all along, unless the Browns have Rosen as their top QB choice. He is the only one I feel is worthy of the #1 pick. So to me its either, pick Rosen before anyone else can get him, or pick Barkley and then Allen or Mayfly or whoever at 4.
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To answer your questions - would I take Ingram and Kamara over Quon?.... yeah.
How much tape? Almost all of 2017 and some 16'. Also never said anything of it "sucks".. just not in love with what I saw.
I've resorted myself to not bother with full evals on players I'm not overly fond of - Saquon is one of them. So the condensed version. He has receptions but his propensity for the occasional "focus" drop is something that raises a red flag. I don't believe he's as slippery in the open field as his combine stats and certain highlights make him to be. For the one move he put on the Iowa backer, he couldn't clear the nickel DB and for possessing "power back" size/strength, really seems to not play with much desire for contact. That was a trend on tape. I heard a comparison to LT and had to chuckle because Tomlinson was a patient, tackles/gap runner with brilliant vision and with balance especially after contact. For the most part Quon gets the yards his line blocks for a little else unless some defender just misses him or he makes them miss. I believe that's why you'll see him rip one for 70 then do jack-Sheet the rest of the game. I really don't see Barkley as the next LT. He's bigger and still no where near as violent. The times he has taken huge losses or runs for little/no gain it's almost like he's unwilling to lower his shoulder, get behind his pads and punish a defender so he instead tries to outrun or out move everybody. You can dismiss that all you want but that might be the biggest concern I have. His lack of history showing that he will just try to power ahead and keep the chains moving as opposed to constantly attempting the home run shot. I want a threat to score but also the sort of back that will wear down a defense as the game goes on. Believe me, I'll be more than happy to go at someone in space. However stopping a guy with 30+lbs on me down hill with a head of steam? That Sheet suuuuucks and makes you think twice.
I didn't ask you if you preferred Ingram and Kamara over Quon. I was just telling you some teams preferred 2 man committees like them while others that have appeared in playoffs have preferred a workhorse like Zeke, Gurley and Bell while I forgot Jax riding on the shoulders on their 1st round RB Fournette.
Even though we disagree on Quon - I enjoy and respect your players evals.
Even though we disagree on Quon - I enjoy and respect your players evals.
Likewise. You're someone that, even at times I find myself disagreeing with, makes a presentable and logical argument.
FFS. We are in a football forum, you guys are supposed to throw sh!t at each other when you disagree!
If we start acting like this, what will we end up like? Civilized men discussing and respecting each other? Yuck!!!
Need some privacy? Go to a motel!
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1. QB you like the most
4. Fitzpatrick
Get back into late round one if needed and take Sony Michel
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Dorsey found the NFL rushing leader in the 3rd round last year, hes here to fix our QB problem and knows he can find a good RB later in the draft. So no to not picking a QB at 1.
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Okay loddies and lassies, top of the morning to yuz! Watching the difference between top QB prospects become much less of a difference has me rethinking my way over to Barkley at #1. Hear me out first; because all of this time I was right where Mark O was on the QB vrs Barkley debate only he articulated our argument way better than me. He'll still have things I agree on except the reality that even our favorite QBs have more things to worry about than Barkley has. So, here goes the overcaffeinated world according to me:
If we don't start the run on QBs at #1 overall - isn't there still only 2 draft picks before we draft again at #4? And how many weeks will this be after the team with the most money to spend on a FA QB does so? And isn't it possible this is a unique year where 2-3 QBs can be very equivalent in what they offer because they all have some concerns? Aside from that, when the 2 other teams pick before our 4th spot - what guarantee do we have they will take the 1 we are slightly favoring? Whether I agree with the drool fest over Josh Allen or not - maybe it's a good thing he can throw the ball all the way to Canada just like Jamarcus Russell could. He could be one of the QBs that goes before we pick at #4 because someone will be willing to forget he only threw 16 TD passes last year against a lesser brand of corner and pass rushers with pedestrian accuracy. I know I know he LOVES football though. All it takes is 1 team that doesn't care about short game accuracy and the tighter windows of red zones. We've already gone the bionic arm route in lieu of accuracy with Weeden, Anderson and Kizer which are 3 very good reasons we still need a QB today right? They LOVED football too before they realized their lack of accuracy in a world that requires fitting air tight windows in congested red zones them feeling like a McCoy surrounded by 65,000 Hatfields. It's been like a never ending video to the song "You Lost that Loving Feeling..."
YES, Mayfield and Darnold are my not-so-perfect faves but much to my surprise Rosen (with a lot of help from SD Tom's persistence and media examples at the combines) got me to see him in ways I was previously unwilling to - closed some serious ground on both. I don't give a rat what he said when he was 17 that has been so blow out of context to look like he just said those things 4-5 years later. And when he questioned which sport he was better between his #1 ranking in tennis vrs his #1 QB ranking in Rivals and Scout - that's not a lack of love or passion for the sport he chose at 17. It's probably something a lot of people would question. I also find it interesting that some of his previous critics at the football camp back before he was a senior in high school have made it a point to say he's a lot more mature today to the extent they've changed their opinion of him for the better. The last Head Coach he had gave him far better reviews than Justin Gilbert's college Head Coach had for all healthy consumers.
So WHY have I about faced my opinion to take a RB first especially in a draft that is so deep at the position? As I've looked at all of the RBs in the draft, a lot of them aren't going to be 3 down RBs in the NFL because they lack the 1 thing Barkley might be very underrated at. Catching the football out of the backfield aside from his ideal size to handle a bigger work load. He had 54 receptions for 632 yards and 3 TDs to go with his 1200+ yards and 18 TDs on the ground aside from his kickoff returns for TDs. If you're not impressed - you simply don't want to be. The only RB that resembles Barkley is SDSU's Rashaad Penny but there's no guarantees he's on our doorstep later in the draft. Meanwhile, Sony Michel I thought was an ideal alternative only had 9 receptions in 14-15 games while his playing weight of about 215 lbs reminds us he'll stay a part time RB.
Barkley has better gears than Duke Johnson without the history of injury Duke had at the U - which ultimately made his NFL taker understand how much of a workload he'd handle best. Right now, we don't have a scoring threat on the roster inclusive of the Josh Gordon who has only scored 1 TD in his only 10 starts since 2013. Barkley is good for the passing game and our running game without us tipping off tendencies using 2 different guys all the time. If you want to recruit the interest of a FA QB - you tell him you are going to give him Barkley like Polian equipped Peyton Manning with Marshall Faulk in his first NFL huddle and then Edge James thereafter. When Faulk went to the Rams, a little known QB named Kurt Warner at 29 years of age enjoyed a RB that could bury the blitz with TD receptions all the way to a Pro Bowl and MVP caliber season punctuated with a Superbowl Championship. For that matter, there's Dak Prescott WITH Zeke and WITHOUT Zeke - can you guess which version made him Rookie of the Year?
In adding Barkley, we don't need to draft another RB. We get our Marshall Faulk that can score from anywhere on the field in the pass game or running game. Meanwhile, as all the other teams are in those runs drafting RBs in this deep draft - this gets us looking at WRs and DBs and a dual purpose TE like Oklahoma's Mark Andrews. We also have Free Agency and the most money to spend on some yes price tags we finally HAVE to compete for (rather than overpaying the Jamar Taylor we still need to upgrade causing us to double-dip anyway). You get what you pay for and the unwillingness to compete for the better guys often causes desperate knee jerk overpayments on bums/has-beens like Dwayne Bowe and Kenny Brat.
The biggest difference between Barkley and the first QB is every top QB we consider gives us at least 1-2 more concerns than Barkley does. The good news? There's only 2 picks between who we take at #1 and when we pick again. We're going to add QBs with as much money as we have for FA as well as up as high as #4 overall. Barkley and these 2 QBs plus three 2nd round picks plus the 1st pick of round 3?
All this from a guy that was getting a huge kick out of the "Love PO tion #9" Springbreak girls gone wild caliber passion packed threads recruiting the testosterone to throw down and polarize. IMO, this is a classic example of letting some things settle before racing to a final conclusion far before it's necessary. My mind may change again but I'm enjoying the excitement of the opportunity this experienced FO (with proven success in the draft, free agency and trades) has in front of it.
Okay loddies and lassies, top of the morning to yuz! Watching the difference between top QB prospects become much less of a difference has me rethinking my way over to Barkley at #1. Hear me out first; because all of this time I was right where Mark O was on the QB vrs Barkley debate only he articulated our argument way better than me. He'll still have things I agree on except the reality that even our favorite QBs have more things to worry about than Barkley has. So, here goes the overcaffeinated world according to me:
If we don't start the run on QBs at #1 overall - isn't there still only 2 draft picks before we draft again at #4? And how many weeks will this be after the team with the most money to spend on a FA QB does so? And isn't it possible this is a unique year where 2-3 QBs can be very equivalent in what they offer because they all have some concerns? Aside from that, when the 2 other teams pick before our 4th spot - what guarantee do we have they will take the 1 we are slightly favoring? Whether I agree with the drool fest over Josh Allen or not - maybe it's a good thing he can throw the ball all the way to Canada just like Jamarcus Russell could. He could be one of the QBs that goes before we pick at #4 because someone will be willing to forget he only threw 16 TD passes last year against a lesser brand of corner and pass rushers with pedestrian accuracy. I know I know he LOVES football though. All it takes is 1 team that doesn't care about short game accuracy and the tighter windows of red zones. We've already gone the bionic arm route in lieu of accuracy with Weeden, Anderson and Kizer which are 3 very good reasons we still need a QB today right? They LOVED football too before they realized their lack of accuracy in a world that requires fitting air tight windows in congested red zones them feeling like a McCoy surrounded by 65,000 Hatfields. It's been like a never ending video to the song "You Lost that Loving Feeling..."
YES, Mayfield and Darnold are my not-so-perfect faves but much to my surprise Rosen (with a lot of help from SD Tom's persistence and media examples at the combines) got me to see him in ways I was previously unwilling to - closed some serious ground on both. I don't give a rat what he said when he was 17 that has been so blow out of context to look like he just said those things 4-5 years later. And when he questioned which sport he was better between his #1 ranking in tennis vrs his #1 QB ranking in Rivals and Scout - that's not a lack of love or passion for the sport he chose at 17. It's probably something a lot of people would question. I also find it interesting that some of his previous critics at the football camp back before he was a senior in high school have made it a point to say he's a lot more mature today to the extent they've changed their opinion of him for the better. The last Head Coach he had gave him far better reviews than Justin Gilbert's college Head Coach had for all healthy consumers.
So WHY have I about faced my opinion to take a RB first especially in a draft that is so deep at the position? As I've looked at all of the RBs in the draft, a lot of them aren't going to be 3 down RBs in the NFL because they lack the 1 thing Barkley might be very underrated at. Catching the football out of the backfield aside from his ideal size to handle a bigger work load. He had 54 receptions for 632 yards and 3 TDs to go with his 1200+ yards and 18 TDs on the ground aside from his kickoff returns for TDs. If you're not impressed - you simply don't want to be. The only RB that resembles Barkley is SDSU's Rashaad Penny but there's no guarantees he's on our doorstep later in the draft. Meanwhile, Sony Michel I thought was an ideal alternative only had 9 receptions in 14-15 games while his playing weight of about 215 lbs reminds us he'll stay a part time RB.
Barkley has better gears than Duke Johnson without the history of injury Duke had at the U - which ultimately made his NFL taker understand how much of a workload he'd handle best. Right now, we don't have a scoring threat on the roster inclusive of the Josh Gordon who has only scored 1 TD in his only 10 starts since 2013. Barkley is good for the passing game and our running game without us tipping off tendencies using 2 different guys all the time. If you want to recruit the interest of a FA QB - you tell him you are going to give him Barkley like Polian equipped Peyton Manning with Marshall Faulk in his first NFL huddle and then Edge James thereafter. When Faulk went to the Rams, a little known QB named Kurt Warner at 29 years of age enjoyed a RB that could bury the blitz with TD receptions all the way to a Pro Bowl and MVP caliber season punctuated with a Superbowl Championship. For that matter, there's Dak Prescott WITH Zeke and WITHOUT Zeke - can you guess which version made him Rookie of the Year?
In adding Barkley, we don't need to draft another RB. We get our Marshall Faulk that can score from anywhere on the field in the pass game or running game. Meanwhile, as all the other teams are in those runs drafting RBs in this deep draft - this gets us looking at WRs and DBs and a dual purpose TE like Oklahoma's Mark Andrews. We also have Free Agency and the most money to spend on some yes price tags we finally HAVE to compete for (rather than overpaying the Jamar Taylor we still need to upgrade causing us to double-dip anyway). You get what you pay for and the unwillingness to compete for the better guys often causes desperate knee jerk overpayments on bums/has-beens like Dwayne Bowe and Kenny Brat.
The biggest difference between Barkley and the first QB is every top QB we consider gives us at least 1-2 more concerns than Barkley does. The good news? There's only 2 picks between who we take at #1 and when we pick again. We're going to add QBs with as much money as we have for FA as well as up as high as #4 overall. Barkley and these 2 QBs plus three 2nd round picks plus the 1st pick of round 3?
All this from a guy that was getting a huge kick out of the "Love PO tion #9" Springbreak girls gone wild caliber passion packed threads recruiting the testosterone to throw down and polarize. IMO, this is a classic example of letting some things settle before racing to a final conclusion far before it's necessary. My mind may change again but I'm enjoying the excitement of the opportunity this experienced FO (with proven success in the draft, free agency and trades) has in front of it.
I'm not of the opinion that Barkley is bad, in fact I think he CAN be really good. But in what you propose here, everything would have to work out all together.
I think Barkley is a fair bit better than the next best back, but that doesn't mean that you can't get close production later. His workout was GREAT, but there has also been other great workouts in past from players who didn't pan out. I think changing a view based on a workout would scare me a bit.
Another thing that would worry me is his inconsistency. Ohio State is the most like an NFL defense that he faced and he didn't perform great. Was that all his fault, NO, but would still give me pause. Even these guys that "suck" or "bust" in the NFL were the best of the best in college, and the discrepancy between good and bad is small as compared to college.
But the thing that would worry me more than any other thing is settling for the 3rd best QB in your eyes. While all 3 could be good, average, or bad, when you have had bad player there for almost 20 years, and it being the most important position, you need to find your guy. And while different teams COULD have different guys at the top, and COULD have them all rated closely, I can't remember 3 being that close (And I could be wrong). What I do remember, is a few years ago that at different times, Goff, Wentz, and Lynch were all rated the best, and many were very surprised Lynch wasn't taken A LOT higher. Lynch was the 3rd taken, do you REALLY want the Browns to take that gamble where say Darnold is Goff (Pac 12), Allen is Wentz (smaller school) and Mayfield and Rosen are Lynch and Cook.
Again, I am not saying they shouldn't take Barkley, but there are certainly more things to consider more than him being able to score touchdowns and be a 3 down back.
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No.
How many playoff games have the Cowboys won with Ezekiel Elliot?
No.
How many playoff games have the Cowboys won with Ezekiel Elliot?
You dont win the Super Bowl without making the post season.
Once in anything can happen.
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