Barkley at #1?
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None of the QBs are outstanding. If there was a guy you obiviously take him over the pack.
Barkley will be gone by 4. The Giants and Colts will not pass on a player like him when both their QBs have had their struggles as of late. Barkley is a game changers who can play now. The fastest way for the Browns to win is Barkley, then a QB at 4 and signing a Vet to play this season assuming Kizer cant win the job. They youre pretty much set at QB for the interim. You hope the 4 pick is ready next season.
Good points, but there is are a couple reasons people have Giants taking a QB. One, they won't be drafting this high again. Everything went wrong for them this year, as the team the year before was a playoff team. And 2nd, Eli is NOT Tom Brady. He isn't nearly as good, and he won't play until he's 150 like Brady.
I dont like them, but in my opinion, if they want to succeed in the future they draft the replacement. Barkley (if as good as hyped) may help them immediately, but in a year or 2 they won't have a QB. And I don't think Barkley takes them over the Eagles. Eli had a lot of problems last year, and if they want to compete in the duture, they will need their heir apparent.
The Colts have more of a chance to take Barkley in my opinion, as they already have their QB. They aren't taking one. But they haven't lit up the league in past few seasons with Luck, as they probably have more holes than Cleveland. They could certainly trade with a team who wants to come up for QB to get more assets.
But the one thing that I just don't get with people saying take Barkley at 1 and QB at 4, they either say you still get a top QB (could be true or untrue) or like you said they all have issues or aren't outstanding. Well if you passed at 1 for your franchise QB, why would you then take one 3 picks later? In those 3 picks, did he gain skill, or is it that the potentially 3rd QB on your list is better than 1st?
At 40, TB was still the most important player on your team. If they had Paxton Lynch (or even use your 3rd stringer in camp Brissett or Brian Hoyer) instead, but had Todd Gurley, Zeke, Kareem Hunt, Alvin Kamara, or Leveon Bell, you think they would have been in Super Bowl?
Does Barkley turn the Browns into a playoff team next year, and then once in have a chance? Because I GUARANTEE that the top QB (assuming at least one pans out) will help the team they are on to improve.
Everyone rags on Bortles, and he certainly hasn't lived up to 3rd pick, but when he played well (or decent) is when the Jags performed well, when he was bad, Jags were. His running helped them A LOT in postseason.
One thing that shows how important QB is, look at the "talk" about trades for 2 QB that are top 5 players at this point. They certainly aren't worth it, but Luck and Foles have BOTH been talked about for 2 1s and 2 2s, you think any of the top backs in the league would fetch anywhere close to that.
Not all directed directly to you Boo. It just is soo ironic to me how likely the same ones advocating for possibly the 3rd QB are the same ones who were up in arms that team didn't take a QB, didn't take "their" QB, or took one too late.
Even your buddy Ghoolie has said QB is most important position, and in one thread says Browns need Mayfield, another they need Jackson, and then says Barkley. Next week they will need, Penny, Charl, and either White or Benkerk. By the time of draft, he will have mentioned EVERY skill player one place or another, and then say "I told everyone, he was best player, I predicted it 100%, and I saw this guy before anyone, including his mama" I'm the only smart guy on here. Just a lot of profanity and I'll words in between.
Have a good evening buddy
Even your buddy Ghoolie has said QB is most important position, and in one thread says Browns need Mayfield, another they need Jackson, and then says Barkley. Next week they will need, Penny, Charl, and either White or Benkerk. By the time of draft, he will have mentioned EVERY skill player one place or another, and then say "I told everyone, he was best player, I predicted it 100%, and I saw this guy before anyone, including his mama" I'm the only smart guy on here. Just a lot of profanity and I'll words in between.
Have a good evening buddy
Ghoolie has not chimed on who he likes. Whoever the Browns pick wont be the guy. But if Ghoolie likes Rosen, avoid him at a cost like Paxton Lynch and Tribisky.
With Crowell gone the Browns have a vacancy at RB. To me, Barkley is the perfect compliment to Duke. Barkley ran a 4.41 40, great hands, size. Ive been calling for him at 1 for weeks only because none of the QBs are outstanding IMO.
Thanks Gunz
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Good points, but there is are a couple reasons people have Giants taking a QB. One, they won't be drafting this high again. Everything went wrong for them this year, as the team the year before was a playoff team. And 2nd, Eli is NOT Tom Brady. He isn't nearly as good, and he won't play until he's 150 like Brady.
NY taking a QB at 2 would create a $hitstorm. Eli would have little chance to rebound.
Eli is not Brady, but he is a 2 time Super Bowl winner. Barkley would take so much pressure of Manning, but if they pass on Barkley the Colts have no RB. Frank Gore will not be resigned.
NY taking a QB at 2 would create a $hitstorm. Eli would have little chance to rebound.
Eli is not Brady, but he is a 2 time Super Bowl winner. Barkley would take so much pressure of Manning, but if they pass on Barkley the Colts have no RB. Frank Gore will not be resigned.
It may create a problem, for 1 or 2 years, and the rookie would sit. No team is going to be that loyal to a player when they are thinking about their future. Look what they did last year when they had no chance. They SHOULD think about their future.
And yes like I already said, Colts may very well need a RB. They also need a lot of other things, and COULD trade that pick or look at helping their porous defense. They aren't just a RB away. They get Barkley, they may score 1-2 TD more a game (that's A LOT), they would have to outscore opponents as their DEFENSE was a fair amount worse than Browns.
You failed to read ANYTHING beyond that paragraph apparently.
I guess I have to use other sport analogies. Even if I don't like him, best basketball player in the league. Lebron. Even having the best player, they arent the best team. If they had a top pick, should they pick the best athlete in draft even if it doesn't help them get over the top, when what they need is a PG? Or maybe your flavor is baseball, Mike Trout is best player, yet they don't make postseason, but should they draft another C.F. because he is best player in draft even those they need a SP. OR maybe you like hockey? I dont, but isn't Ovechkin supposed to be best player. They should draft another scorer, even though the reason they have never won is because they have a bad goalie?
The idea of ANY team sport isn't to have the PLAYER at a position, it's to have the best team. You may not have the best player at any position, but the right team. You have to figure out how to assemble the best team, and while Barkley may get you 2000 yards and 25 TD total, if you don't have the complementary pieces it's all for naught. While maybe another back gets you 1500 and 15 TDs while the other pieces are better, you could be in good position
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HOF QBs have won 12 of the last 15 Super Bowls. Who is the HOF QB in this bunch? Not 1 guy is creating the buzz of a E Manning or a Ben or a Brees when they were drafted.
Marshall Faulk won in 2000 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FaulMa00.htm
Marshwan Lynch won the Super Bowl in 2013 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LyncMa00.htm
Lynch helped Wilson win one as a rookie. The Browns would be crazy to pass on Barkley.
Brady didn't create ANY buzz before the draft. Brees was a 2nd rounder. Wilson didn't warrant even a 2nd. Mannings and Ben, yea maybe. Cam Newton created that buzz, so did RG3. And lets certainly not forget the freak coming in that was next big thing in Jamarcus Rusell. There was also real debate on 1st pick between Peyton and Ryan Leaf. If you think you can just spot a HOF before a snap in NFL, you are sadly mistaken, BUT how some have talked about Barkley, he is the pick for you. He is already 10 times better than Jim Brown according to posts on this board.
Brady didn't create ANY buzz before the draft. Brees was a 2nd rounder. Wilson didn't warrant even a 2nd. Mannings and Ben, yea maybe. Cam Newton created that buzz, so did RG3. And lets certainly not forget the freak coming in that was next big thing in Jamarcus Rusell. There was also real debate on 1st pick between Peyton and Ryan Leaf. If you think you can just spot a HOF before a snap in NFL, you are sadly mistaken, BUT how some have talked about Barkley, he is the pick for you. He is already 10 times better than Jim Brown according to posts on this board.
Wilson caught a break landing on a great defense and having a stud RB like Marshawn Lynch.
There was definitely buzz about Ben and Manning. Ben played at Miami of Ohio and got attention.
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Even your buddy Ghoolie has said QB is most important position, and in one thread says Browns need Mayfield, another they need Jackson, and then says Barkley. Next week they will need, Penny, Charl, and either White or Benkerk. By the time of draft, he will have mentioned EVERY skill player one place or another, and then say "I told everyone, he was best player, I predicted it 100%, and I saw this guy before anyone, including his mama" I'm the only smart guy on here. Just a lot of profanity and I'll words in between.
Have a good evening buddy
Ghoolie has not chimed on who he likes. Whoever the Browns pick wont be the guy. But if Ghoolie likes Rosen, avoid him at a cost like Paxton Lynch and Tribisky.
With Crowell gone the Browns have a vacancy at RB. To me, Barkley is the perfect compliment to Duke. Barkley ran a 4.41 40, great hands, size. Ive been calling for him at 1 for weeks only because none of the QBs are outstanding IMO.
Thanks Gunz
Ghoolie has not chimed on who he likes. Whoever the Browns pick wont be the guy. But if Ghoolie likes Rosen, avoid him at a cost like Paxton Lynch and Tribisky.
With Crowell gone the Browns have a vacancy at RB. To me, Barkley is the perfect compliment to Duke. Barkley ran a 4.41 40, great hands, size. Ive been calling for him at 1 for weeks only because none of the QBs are outstanding IMO.
Thanks Gunz
He has though in other threads. He said in one that Lamar Jackson is the guy you have to get. The Browns would be stupid if they didn't take him. Then in another thread he said Mayfield is the only pick. When called out about the change, well he was obviously joking about Jackson, and saying that what the dumb Browns would so. Then he said Barkley is the only choice for the Browns, and if they don't take him at 1, it will haunt them forever.
The Browns should get Barkley, Mayfield, and Ridley. Have picks 1,2, and 5. Trade next year's 1st and Joe Thomas and Corey Coleman for 2. Remind you, those 2 are the worst players in the league to him, but to him the worst players are worth that?
But he certainly has said who they should draft.
Since the last one he said was Barkley, you still on that train for him?????? LOL
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Brady didn't create ANY buzz before the draft. Brees was a 2nd rounder. Wilson didn't warrant even a 2nd. Mannings and Ben, yea maybe. Cam Newton created that buzz, so did RG3. And lets certainly not forget the freak coming in that was next big thing in Jamarcus Rusell. There was also real debate on 1st pick between Peyton and Ryan Leaf. If you think you can just spot a HOF before a snap in NFL, you are sadly mistaken, BUT how some have talked about Barkley, he is the pick for you. He is already 10 times better than Jim Brown according to posts on this board.
Wilson caught a break landing on a great defense and having a stud RB like Marshawn Lynch.
There was definitely buzz about Ben and Manning. Ben played at Miami of Ohio and got attention.
Wilson caught a break landing on a great defense and having a stud RB like Marshawn Lynch.
There was definitely buzz about Ben and Manning. Ben played at Miami of Ohio and got attention.
I said there was buzz for them. I think you need bi focals or something man lol
But there have been GREAT buzz for Leaf, Russell, RG3, etc- they didn't turn out to be HOF.
You see the point, whether there is buzz or not doesn't matter. Buzz doesn't make a football player. And certainly not a HOF. Or since you are in that draft, just as much buzz for Rivers as Eli and Ben, and he had a HOF RB, remind me as I'm drawing a blank, how many Super Bowls did they win?
In fact (now I am truly drawing a blank) who is the last great HOF caliber back to win a SB? Faulk maybe?
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Wilson caught a break landing on a great defense and having a stud RB like Marshawn Lynch.
There was definitely buzz about Ben and Manning. Ben played at Miami of Ohio and got attention.
I said there was buzz for them. I think you need bi focals or something man lol
But there have been GREAT buzz for Leaf, Russell, RG3, etc- they didn't turn out to be HOF.
You see the point, whether there is buzz or not doesn't matter. Buzz doesn't make a football player. And certainly not a HOF. Or since you are in that draft, just as much buzz for Rivers as Eli and Ben, and he had a HOF RB, remind me as I'm drawing a blank, how many Super Bowls did they win?
In fact (now I am truly drawing a blank) who is the last great HOF caliber back to win a SB? Faulk maybe?
I said there was buzz for them. I think you need bi focals or something man lol
But there have been GREAT buzz for Leaf, Russell, RG3, etc- they didn't turn out to be HOF.
You see the point, whether there is buzz or not doesn't matter. Buzz doesn't make a football player. And certainly not a HOF. Or since you are in that draft, just as much buzz for Rivers as Eli and Ben, and he had a HOF RB, remind me as I'm drawing a blank, how many Super Bowls did they win?
In fact (now I am truly drawing a blank) who is the last great HOF caliber back to win a SB? Faulk maybe?
Leaf could very well make the HOF. He has consistently played at high level for a number of season. Marino did not win a ring, but is in the HOF.
You might want to go back and review what you wrote Chief.
You said, "Buzz, yeah maybe" There was no maybe about it. Both Ben and Manning were highly touted and regarded as top flight QBs, NY moved up to get Manning. Rivers was on a team that went 14 - 2 coached by Marty. Kieding missed the winning FG for the win. I was there. No, Rivers has not won a ring, but you cant count SD out of making the post season since Rivers has been there.
The only player right now ready for the NFL is Barkley. All the QBs are projects. Take a project at 1 or take a project at 4.
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So....relating football to the game of Chess. The QB = the Queen. And the RB= the Knight. We want to draft the Knight....and take any ol' Queen that falls to us.
So....relating football to the game of Chess. The QB = the Queen. And the RB= the Knight. We want to draft the Knight....and take any ol' Queen that falls to us.
Who is the King?
Barkley is the Queen your most valuable weapon.
X and Y WRs are the Bishops because they run crossing routs
Slot WR is the Kinight for curl routes.
Rooks the TEs because they block at the LOS and run seam routes.
The Pawns are the OL.
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I said there was buzz for them. I think you need bi focals or something man lol
But there have been GREAT buzz for Leaf, Russell, RG3, etc- they didn't turn out to be HOF.
You see the point, whether there is buzz or not doesn't matter. Buzz doesn't make a football player. And certainly not a HOF. Or since you are in that draft, just as much buzz for Rivers as Eli and Ben, and he had a HOF RB, remind me as I'm drawing a blank, how many Super Bowls did they win?
In fact (now I am truly drawing a blank) who is the last great HOF caliber back to win a SB? Faulk maybe?
Leaf could very well make the HOF. He has consistently played at high level for a number of season. Marino did not win a ring, but is in the HOF.
You might want to go back and review what you wrote Chief.
You said, "Buzz, yeah maybe" There was no maybe about it. Both Ben and Manning were highly touted and regarded as top flight QBs, NY moved up to get Manning. Rivers was on a team that went 14 - 2 coached by Marty. Kieding missed the winning FG for the win. I was there. No, Rivers has not won a ring, but you cant count SD out of making the post season since Rivers has been there.
The only player right now ready for the NFL is Barkley. All the QBs are projects. Take a project at 1 or take a project at 4.
Leaf could very well make the HOF. He has consistently played at high level for a number of season. Marino did not win a ring, but is in the HOF.
You might want to go back and review what you wrote Chief.
You said, "Buzz, yeah maybe" There was no maybe about it. Both Ben and Manning were highly touted and regarded as top flight QBs, NY moved up to get Manning. Rivers was on a team that went 14 - 2 coached by Marty. Kieding missed the winning FG for the win. I was there. No, Rivers has not won a ring, but you cant count SD out of making the post season since Rivers has been there.
The only player right now ready for the NFL is Barkley. All the QBs are projects. Take a project at 1 or take a project at 4.
In what world do you live in where you think Ryan Leaf could very well make the Hall of Fame. Now I like you Boo, but that was stoopid
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Idk about better.... but will he be better enough to warrant the #1 overall pick vs our 2nd? Eh... probably not
yep. might as well get the best talent at the positions early that won't be as easily obtained in the mid to later rds
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Dorsey doesn't agree with you. It's not looking good for the Saquon at #1 crowd currently. We've already been down this road with Po a dozen times. It's few and far between "generational" running backs win Super Bowls- and definitely not without a super talented team around them. The last one to do so was Emmett Smith, and that was over 20 years ago.
HOF QBs have won 12 of the last 15 Super Bowls. Who is the HOF QB in this bunch? Not 1 guy is creating the buzz of a E Manning or a Ben or a Brees when they were drafted.
Marshall Faulk won in 2000 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FaulMa00.htm
Marshwan Lynch won the Super Bowl in 2013 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LyncMa00.htm
Lynch helped Wilson win one as a rookie. The Browns would be crazy to pass on Barkley.
HOF QBs have won 12 of the last 15 Super Bowls. Who is the HOF QB in this bunch? Not 1 guy is creating the buzz of a E Manning or a Ben or a Brees when they were drafted.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There's some corners thinking this QB class could be a replay of 1983. Like at least four, and maybe 5-6 going in the first round? Just have to find the right one.
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Barkley wasn't even a better college RB than Ezekiel Elliot, but now he's a "generational" talent.
Barkley wasn't even a better college RB than Ezekiel Elliot, but now he's a "generational" talent.
Zeke was/is a freak.
Barkley, eh, #1 eh, sounds good but probably no. I still like the R1 DE DB picks but I don't want to be tarred and feathered and run out of town.
Better get used to the BROWNS on the clock......"with the first pick in the 2018 NFL Draft select from XYZ University QB"........
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HOF QBs have won 12 of the last 15 Super Bowls. Who is the HOF QB in this bunch? Not 1 guy is creating the buzz of a E Manning or a Ben or a Brees when they were drafted.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There's some corners thinking this QB class could be a replay of 1983. Like at least four, and maybe 5-6 going in the first round? Just have to find the right one.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There's some corners thinking this QB class could be a replay of 1983. Like at least four, and maybe 5-6 going in the first round? Just have to find the right one.
I doubt ir, not a single grade 7.5 or 8.0 QB in the whole class, IMHO.....and others also.1983 is a tough bunch to compare any QB draft with some 35 years later.
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For those of you saying no why? Is it because you are just against an RB at 1 or do you really think a QB solution has to be pick1??
For those of you saying no why? Is it because you are just against an RB at 1 or do you really think a QB solution has to be pick1??
I believe that an 0-16 team better be taking the best available athletes in R1 and R2 and save contender talk for 2019.
And in R1 with #1 and 4 neither spot deserves a QB or RB......(now comes the mob with the pitch forks and clubs
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I don't think a running back can go #1 to a team like ours. We haven't gotten QB right in HOW many years, and now we can literally pick whichever one we want without ANY threat to miss out and we might take a running back? I don't think so. I look at Barkley as a terrific prospect who plays a luxury position. Is he the best RB coming out? Yeah, he probably is. Are there other RBs coming out who also look really good? You bet your azz. Just last season we had Kareem Hunt and Kamara drafted outside the first round and they were terrific. Let's get our QB at #1 and then the best defensive player available at #4 (Fitzpatrick or Chubb) and call it good for day 1.
I really believe the best way to get our team competitive quickly is to build up our defense, especially our pass rush and secondary. Wouldn't it be nice if our young QB didn't have to continuously come back from 14 points in the first half? We also need to draft or sign defensive players who can force TURNOVERS. That's one of the most frustrating aspects of our team last year, in that we gave the ball away and hardly ever took it BACK. So many fans are talking about Darnold and it makes me just shake my head because that guy couldn't hold onto the ball in COLLEGE, so why would that change in the pros? Baker Mayfield took care of the ball and he hit guys in stride. That's what I want. Will Baker be ready right away? Seriously doubtful, as he has no experience throwing from under center and it's going to take him some time to get comfortable. That's why we're bringing in a veteran to start, hopefully someone who can take care of the ball, move the offense, and put us in good positions to win some games.
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So....relating football to the game of Chess. The QB = the Queen. And the RB= the Knight. We want to draft the Knight....and take any ol' Queen that falls to us.
Who is the King?
Barkley is the Queen your most valuable weapon.
X and Y WRs are the Bishops because they run crossing routs
Slot WR is the Kinight for curl routes.
Rooks the TEs because they block at the LOS and run seam routes.
The Pawns are the OL.
Who is the King?
Barkley is the Queen your most valuable weapon.
The King is useless (he would be Hue)
The queen is the most valuable piece on the chess board.....and for you that's a running back. That's who you say is the most valuable person on the football field. BUT, to the rest of the football world, it's the QB that's the most valuable.
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The life of an NFL RB is limited. Drafting a QB at 1 gets you 15 years potentially of quality play.
Fitzpatrick or Chubb at 4 with a RB in the early 2nd is a far better usage of the picks.
The life of an NFL RB is limited. Drafting a QB at 1 gets you 15 years potentially of quality play.
Fitzpatrick or Chubb at 4 with a RB in the early 2nd is a far better usage of the picks.
In Cleveland?
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Who is the King?
Barkley is the Queen your most valuable weapon.
The King is useless (he would be Hue)
The queen is the most valuable piece on the chess board.....and for you that's a running back. That's who you say is the most valuable person on the football field. BUT, to the rest of the football world, it's the QB that's the most valuable.
The King is useless (he would be Hue)
The queen is the most valuable piece on the chess board.....and for you that's a running back. That's who you say is the most valuable person on the football field. BUT, to the rest of the football world, it's the QB that's the most valuable.
The Queen can go anywhere on the board like a RB. The King stays back behind the Pawns.
The King is Josh Allen and the Queen Barkley.
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Leaf could very well make the HOF. He has consistently played at high level for a number of season. Marino did not win a ring, but is in the HOF.
You might want to go back and review what you wrote Chief.
You said, "Buzz, yeah maybe" There was no maybe about it. Both Ben and Manning were highly touted and regarded as top flight QBs, NY moved up to get Manning. Rivers was on a team that went 14 - 2 coached by Marty. Kieding missed the winning FG for the win. I was there. No, Rivers has not won a ring, but you cant count SD out of making the post season since Rivers has been there.
The only player right now ready for the NFL is Barkley. All the QBs are projects. Take a project at 1 or take a project at 4.
In what world do you live in where you think Ryan Leaf could very well make the Hall of Fame. Now I like you Boo, but that was stoopid
In what world do you live in where you think Ryan Leaf could very well make the Hall of Fame. Now I like you Boo, but that was stoopid
I meant Phillip Rivers.
There was draft talk about him from NC State.
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