Barkley at #1?
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I said there was buzz for them. I think you need bi focals or something man lol
But there have been GREAT buzz for Leaf, Russell, RG3, etc- they didn't turn out to be HOF.
You see the point, whether there is buzz or not doesn't matter. Buzz doesn't make a football player. And certainly not a HOF. Or since you are in that draft, just as much buzz for Rivers as Eli and Ben, and he had a HOF RB, remind me as I'm drawing a blank, how many Super Bowls did they win?
In fact (now I am truly drawing a blank) who is the last great HOF caliber back to win a SB? Faulk maybe?
Leaf could very well make the HOF. He has consistently played at high level for a number of season. Marino did not win a ring, but is in the HOF.
You might want to go back and review what you wrote Chief.
You said, "Buzz, yeah maybe" There was no maybe about it. Both Ben and Manning were highly touted and regarded as top flight QBs, NY moved up to get Manning. Rivers was on a team that went 14 - 2 coached by Marty. Kieding missed the winning FG for the win. I was there. No, Rivers has not won a ring, but you cant count SD out of making the post season since Rivers has been there.
The only player right now ready for the NFL is Barkley. All the QBs are projects. Take a project at 1 or take a project at 4.
Leaf could very well make the HOF. He has consistently played at high level for a number of season. Marino did not win a ring, but is in the HOF.
You might want to go back and review what you wrote Chief.
You said, "Buzz, yeah maybe" There was no maybe about it. Both Ben and Manning were highly touted and regarded as top flight QBs, NY moved up to get Manning. Rivers was on a team that went 14 - 2 coached by Marty. Kieding missed the winning FG for the win. I was there. No, Rivers has not won a ring, but you cant count SD out of making the post season since Rivers has been there.
The only player right now ready for the NFL is Barkley. All the QBs are projects. Take a project at 1 or take a project at 4.
In what world do you live in where you think Ryan Leaf could very well make the Hall of Fame. Now I like you Boo, but that was stoopid
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Idk about better.... but will he be better enough to warrant the #1 overall pick vs our 2nd? Eh... probably not
yep. might as well get the best talent at the positions early that won't be as easily obtained in the mid to later rds
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Dorsey doesn't agree with you. It's not looking good for the Saquon at #1 crowd currently. We've already been down this road with Po a dozen times. It's few and far between "generational" running backs win Super Bowls- and definitely not without a super talented team around them. The last one to do so was Emmett Smith, and that was over 20 years ago.
HOF QBs have won 12 of the last 15 Super Bowls. Who is the HOF QB in this bunch? Not 1 guy is creating the buzz of a E Manning or a Ben or a Brees when they were drafted.
Marshall Faulk won in 2000 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FaulMa00.htm
Marshwan Lynch won the Super Bowl in 2013 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LyncMa00.htm
Lynch helped Wilson win one as a rookie. The Browns would be crazy to pass on Barkley.
HOF QBs have won 12 of the last 15 Super Bowls. Who is the HOF QB in this bunch? Not 1 guy is creating the buzz of a E Manning or a Ben or a Brees when they were drafted.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There's some corners thinking this QB class could be a replay of 1983. Like at least four, and maybe 5-6 going in the first round? Just have to find the right one.
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Barkley wasn't even a better college RB than Ezekiel Elliot, but now he's a "generational" talent.
Barkley wasn't even a better college RB than Ezekiel Elliot, but now he's a "generational" talent.
Zeke was/is a freak.
Barkley, eh, #1 eh, sounds good but probably no. I still like the R1 DE DB picks but I don't want to be tarred and feathered and run out of town.
Better get used to the BROWNS on the clock......"with the first pick in the 2018 NFL Draft select from XYZ University QB"........
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HOF QBs have won 12 of the last 15 Super Bowls. Who is the HOF QB in this bunch? Not 1 guy is creating the buzz of a E Manning or a Ben or a Brees when they were drafted.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There's some corners thinking this QB class could be a replay of 1983. Like at least four, and maybe 5-6 going in the first round? Just have to find the right one.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There's some corners thinking this QB class could be a replay of 1983. Like at least four, and maybe 5-6 going in the first round? Just have to find the right one.
I doubt ir, not a single grade 7.5 or 8.0 QB in the whole class, IMHO.....and others also.1983 is a tough bunch to compare any QB draft with some 35 years later.
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For those of you saying no why? Is it because you are just against an RB at 1 or do you really think a QB solution has to be pick1??
For those of you saying no why? Is it because you are just against an RB at 1 or do you really think a QB solution has to be pick1??
I believe that an 0-16 team better be taking the best available athletes in R1 and R2 and save contender talk for 2019.
And in R1 with #1 and 4 neither spot deserves a QB or RB......(now comes the mob with the pitch forks and clubs
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I don't think a running back can go #1 to a team like ours. We haven't gotten QB right in HOW many years, and now we can literally pick whichever one we want without ANY threat to miss out and we might take a running back? I don't think so. I look at Barkley as a terrific prospect who plays a luxury position. Is he the best RB coming out? Yeah, he probably is. Are there other RBs coming out who also look really good? You bet your azz. Just last season we had Kareem Hunt and Kamara drafted outside the first round and they were terrific. Let's get our QB at #1 and then the best defensive player available at #4 (Fitzpatrick or Chubb) and call it good for day 1.
I really believe the best way to get our team competitive quickly is to build up our defense, especially our pass rush and secondary. Wouldn't it be nice if our young QB didn't have to continuously come back from 14 points in the first half? We also need to draft or sign defensive players who can force TURNOVERS. That's one of the most frustrating aspects of our team last year, in that we gave the ball away and hardly ever took it BACK. So many fans are talking about Darnold and it makes me just shake my head because that guy couldn't hold onto the ball in COLLEGE, so why would that change in the pros? Baker Mayfield took care of the ball and he hit guys in stride. That's what I want. Will Baker be ready right away? Seriously doubtful, as he has no experience throwing from under center and it's going to take him some time to get comfortable. That's why we're bringing in a veteran to start, hopefully someone who can take care of the ball, move the offense, and put us in good positions to win some games.
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So....relating football to the game of Chess. The QB = the Queen. And the RB= the Knight. We want to draft the Knight....and take any ol' Queen that falls to us.
Who is the King?
Barkley is the Queen your most valuable weapon.
X and Y WRs are the Bishops because they run crossing routs
Slot WR is the Kinight for curl routes.
Rooks the TEs because they block at the LOS and run seam routes.
The Pawns are the OL.
Who is the King?
Barkley is the Queen your most valuable weapon.
The King is useless (he would be Hue)
The queen is the most valuable piece on the chess board.....and for you that's a running back. That's who you say is the most valuable person on the football field. BUT, to the rest of the football world, it's the QB that's the most valuable.
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The life of an NFL RB is limited. Drafting a QB at 1 gets you 15 years potentially of quality play.
Fitzpatrick or Chubb at 4 with a RB in the early 2nd is a far better usage of the picks.
The life of an NFL RB is limited. Drafting a QB at 1 gets you 15 years potentially of quality play.
Fitzpatrick or Chubb at 4 with a RB in the early 2nd is a far better usage of the picks.
In Cleveland?
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Who is the King?
Barkley is the Queen your most valuable weapon.
The King is useless (he would be Hue)
The queen is the most valuable piece on the chess board.....and for you that's a running back. That's who you say is the most valuable person on the football field. BUT, to the rest of the football world, it's the QB that's the most valuable.
The King is useless (he would be Hue)
The queen is the most valuable piece on the chess board.....and for you that's a running back. That's who you say is the most valuable person on the football field. BUT, to the rest of the football world, it's the QB that's the most valuable.
The Queen can go anywhere on the board like a RB. The King stays back behind the Pawns.
The King is Josh Allen and the Queen Barkley.
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Leaf could very well make the HOF. He has consistently played at high level for a number of season. Marino did not win a ring, but is in the HOF.
You might want to go back and review what you wrote Chief.
You said, "Buzz, yeah maybe" There was no maybe about it. Both Ben and Manning were highly touted and regarded as top flight QBs, NY moved up to get Manning. Rivers was on a team that went 14 - 2 coached by Marty. Kieding missed the winning FG for the win. I was there. No, Rivers has not won a ring, but you cant count SD out of making the post season since Rivers has been there.
The only player right now ready for the NFL is Barkley. All the QBs are projects. Take a project at 1 or take a project at 4.
In what world do you live in where you think Ryan Leaf could very well make the Hall of Fame. Now I like you Boo, but that was stoopid
In what world do you live in where you think Ryan Leaf could very well make the Hall of Fame. Now I like you Boo, but that was stoopid
I meant Phillip Rivers.
There was draft talk about him from NC State.
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The life of an NFL RB is limited. Drafting a QB at 1 gets you 15 years potentially of quality play.
Fitzpatrick or Chubb at 4 with a RB in the early 2nd is a far better usage of the picks.
In Cleveland?
In Cleveland?
Well if we are using just Cleveland rules then they need to draft a QB at 1, 4, and 33. Keep Kizer just in case the first 3 die.
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HOF QBs have won 12 of the last 15 Super Bowls. Who is the HOF QB in this bunch? Not 1 guy is creating the buzz of a E Manning or a Ben or a Brees when they were drafted.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There's some corners thinking this QB class could be a replay of 1983. Like at least four, and maybe 5-6 going in the first round? Just have to find the right one.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There's some corners thinking this QB class could be a replay of 1983. Like at least four, and maybe 5-6 going in the first round? Just have to find the right one.
Which is why you go QB at 4 and Barkley 1.
The rookie QB should not play unless there is no other option. Yoo thought Kizer looked ready to go and he might be ruined forever.
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Okay loddies and lassies, top of the morning to yuz! Watching the difference between top QB prospects become much less of a difference has me rethinking my way over to Barkley at #1. Hear me out first; because all of this time I was right where Mark O was on the QB vrs Barkley debate only he articulated our argument way better than me. He'll still have things I agree on except the reality that even our favorite QBs have more things to worry about than Barkley has. So, here goes the overcaffeinated world according to me:
If we don't start the run on QBs at #1 overall - isn't there still only 2 draft picks before we draft again at #4? And how many weeks will this be after the team with the most money to spend on a FA QB does so? And isn't it possible this is a unique year where 2-3 QBs can be very equivalent in what they offer because they all have some concerns? Aside from that, when the 2 other teams pick before our 4th spot - what guarantee do we have they will take the 1 we are slightly favoring? Whether I agree with the drool fest over Josh Allen or not - maybe it's a good thing he can throw the ball all the way to Canada just like Jamarcus Russell could. He could be one of the QBs that goes before we pick at #4 because someone will be willing to forget he only threw 16 TD passes last year against a lesser brand of corner and pass rushers with pedestrian accuracy. I know I know he LOVES football though. All it takes is 1 team that doesn't care about short game accuracy and the tighter windows of red zones. We've already gone the bionic arm route in lieu of accuracy with Weeden, Anderson and Kizer which are 3 very good reasons we still need a QB today right? They LOVED football too before they realized their lack of accuracy in a world that requires fitting air tight windows in congested red zones them feeling like a McCoy surrounded by 65,000 Hatfields. It's been like a never ending video to the song "You Lost that Loving Feeling..."
YES, Mayfield and Darnold are my not-so-perfect faves but much to my surprise Rosen (with a lot of help from SD Tom's persistence and media examples at the combines) got me to see him in ways I was previously unwilling to - closed some serious ground on both. I don't give a rat what he said when he was 17 that has been so blow out of context to look like he just said those things 4-5 years later. And when he questioned which sport he was better between his #1 ranking in tennis vrs his #1 QB ranking in Rivals and Scout - that's not a lack of love or passion for the sport he chose at 17. It's probably something a lot of people would question. I also find it interesting that some of his previous critics at the football camp back before he was a senior in high school have made it a point to say he's a lot more mature today to the extent they've changed their opinion of him for the better. The last Head Coach he had gave him far better reviews than Justin Gilbert's college Head Coach had for all healthy consumers.
So WHY have I about faced my opinion to take a RB first especially in a draft that is so deep at the position? As I've looked at all of the RBs in the draft, a lot of them aren't going to be 3 down RBs in the NFL because they lack the 1 thing Barkley might be very underrated at. Catching the football out of the backfield aside from his ideal size to handle a bigger work load. He had 54 receptions for 632 yards and 3 TDs to go with his 1200+ yards and 18 TDs on the ground aside from his kickoff returns for TDs. If you're not impressed - you simply don't want to be. The only RB that resembles Barkley is SDSU's Rashaad Penny but there's no guarantees he's on our doorstep later in the draft. Meanwhile, Sony Michel I thought was an ideal alternative only had 9 receptions in 14-15 games while his playing weight of about 215 lbs reminds us he'll stay a part time RB.
Barkley has better gears than Duke Johnson without the history of injury Duke had at the U - which ultimately made his NFL taker understand how much of a workload he'd handle best. Right now, we don't have a scoring threat on the roster inclusive of the Josh Gordon who has only scored 1 TD in his only 10 starts since 2013. Barkley is good for the passing game and our running game without us tipping off tendencies using 2 different guys all the time. If you want to recruit the interest of a FA QB - you tell him you are going to give him Barkley like Polian equipped Peyton Manning with Marshall Faulk in his first NFL huddle and then Edge James thereafter. When Faulk went to the Rams, a little known QB named Kurt Warner at 29 years of age enjoyed a RB that could bury the blitz with TD receptions all the way to a Pro Bowl and MVP caliber season punctuated with a Superbowl Championship. For that matter, there's Dak Prescott WITH Zeke and WITHOUT Zeke - can you guess which version made him Rookie of the Year?
In adding Barkley, we don't need to draft another RB. We get our Marshall Faulk that can score from anywhere on the field in the pass game or running game. Meanwhile, as all the other teams are in those runs drafting RBs in this deep draft - this gets us looking at WRs and DBs and a dual purpose TE like Oklahoma's Mark Andrews. We also have Free Agency and the most money to spend on some yes price tags we finally HAVE to compete for (rather than overpaying the Jamar Taylor we still need to upgrade causing us to double-dip anyway). You get what you pay for and the unwillingness to compete for the better guys often causes desperate knee jerk overpayments on bums/has-beens like Dwayne Bowe and Kenny Brat.
The biggest difference between Barkley and the first QB is every top QB we consider gives us at least 1-2 more concerns than Barkley does. The good news? There's only 2 picks between who we take at #1 and when we pick again. We're going to add QBs with as much money as we have for FA as well as up as high as #4 overall. Barkley and these 2 QBs plus three 2nd round picks plus the 1st pick of round 3?
All this from a guy that was getting a huge kick out of the "Love PO tion #9" Springbreak girls gone wild caliber passion packed threads recruiting the testosterone to throw down and polarize. IMO, this is a classic example of letting some things settle before racing to a final conclusion far before it's necessary. My mind may change again but I'm enjoying the excitement of the opportunity this experienced FO (with proven success in the draft, free agency and trades) has in front of it.
I'm not of the opinion that Barkley is bad, in fact I think he CAN be really good. But in what you propose here, everything would have to work out all together.
I think Barkley is a fair bit better than the next best back, but that doesn't mean that you can't get close production later. His workout was GREAT, but there has also been other great workouts in past from players who didn't pan out. I think changing a view based on a workout would scare me a bit.
Another thing that would worry me is his inconsistency. Ohio State is the most like an NFL defense that he faced and he didn't perform great. Was that all his fault, NO, but would still give me pause. Even these guys that "suck" or "bust" in the NFL were the best of the best in college, and the discrepancy between good and bad is small as compared to college.
But the thing that would worry me more than any other thing is settling for the 3rd best QB in your eyes. While all 3 could be good, average, or bad, when you have had bad player there for almost 20 years, and it being the most important position, you need to find your guy. And while different teams COULD have different guys at the top, and COULD have them all rated closely, I can't remember 3 being that close (And I could be wrong). What I do remember, is a few years ago that at different times, Goff, Wentz, and Lynch were all rated the best, and many were very surprised Lynch wasn't taken A LOT higher. Lynch was the 3rd taken, do you REALLY want the Browns to take that gamble where say Darnold is Goff (Pac 12), Allen is Wentz (smaller school) and Mayfield and Rosen are Lynch and Cook.
Again, I am not saying they shouldn't take Barkley, but there are certainly more things to consider more than him being able to score touchdowns and be a 3 down back.
I'm not of the opinion that Barkley is bad, in fact I think he CAN be really good. But in what you propose here, everything would have to work out all together.
I think Barkley is a fair bit better than the next best back, but that doesn't mean that you can't get close production later. His workout was GREAT, but there has also been other great workouts in past from players who didn't pan out. I think changing a view based on a workout would scare me a bit.
Another thing that would worry me is his inconsistency. Ohio State is the most like an NFL defense that he faced and he didn't perform great. Was that all his fault, NO, but would still give me pause. Even these guys that "suck" or "bust" in the NFL were the best of the best in college, and the discrepancy between good and bad is small as compared to college.
But the thing that would worry me more than any other thing is settling for the 3rd best QB in your eyes. While all 3 could be good, average, or bad, when you have had bad player there for almost 20 years, and it being the most important position, you need to find your guy. And while different teams COULD have different guys at the top, and COULD have them all rated closely, I can't remember 3 being that close (And I could be wrong). What I do remember, is a few years ago that at different times, Goff, Wentz, and Lynch were all rated the best, and many were very surprised Lynch wasn't taken A LOT higher. Lynch was the 3rd taken, do you REALLY want the Browns to take that gamble where say Darnold is Goff (Pac 12), Allen is Wentz (smaller school) and Mayfield and Rosen are Lynch and Cook.
Again, I am not saying they shouldn't take Barkley, but there are certainly more things to consider more than him being able to score touchdowns and be a 3 down back.
Gunz, I was where you are all the way until Saturday. At #1 overall, I've always been under the impression you have to get yourself someone that has emerged as the best player in the draft (unless a QB emerged as a clear cut #1 QB). We did it last year with Garrett and a consensus was fine with it right? That said, we traded out of pick #12 so Houston could draft Watson who was great while he lasted. Because he did NOT last neither did their brief bout of competing so we are now drafting 4th overall because of it.
THIS YEAR what QB has separated himself from the rest? If we're being honest nobody did better than Josh Allen; and I cannot stand his accuracy issues when there's corners and pass rushers on the field or especially when he faced the better DI defenses. I posted his catastrophic stats against the better competition in 2017. So who else? Darnold is so confident in himself - he's waiting? Really? For those saying all we have to do is teach ball security - bad habits can be repeated so long they're perfected to the extent they never get corrected (see Kizer). Rosen threw well. Mayfield looked good. Lamar Jackson was inconsistent. Was there a big difference between the more hyped up QBs and Toledo's Logan Woodside, WKU's Mike White or Richmond's Kyle Lauletta (also Senior Bowl MVP)? Not as much as I wanted to see. Not that the combines are a tell-all; because again defenses challenging time to throw, mechanics and accuracy didn't show us the same Josh Allen at all unless 16 TD passes in a season dazzles one. IMO, we've already had QBs exactly like Josh Allen (DA, Weeden and Kizer).
I didn't make Barkley the #1 rated player PRIOR to the combines, not to be confused with the mock drafts. Here's his stats before we even get to the combines punctuating them. I think you'll see a big difference between his reception volume of 54 and Sony Michel's volume of 9 in 14-15 games to understand why he'll be a 3 down back. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/saquon-barkley-1.html
There's only 2 teams drafting between us and us at 1 and 4 with not 1 QB separating himself from the rest in a draft I can't ever remember so many equivalent QB prospects. If there was an Andrew Luck emerging, I'd be all in. Even in that draft with Andrew Luck, do you know what QBs became better than the 1st round QBs like RG3, Ryan Tannehill and Brandon Weeden? Russell Wilson and Kirk Cousins (about to be paid serious cake). Back to my question, was there a BIG difference between the perceived 1st round QBs and the Logan Woodsides, Mike Allens, and Lyle Laulettas? Not as much as I hoped to see. Every fave I have or had - has some serious things I worry about. That being the case, I'm way more okay with the worst case scenario of taking the 3rd QB off the board in this draft class. Keep in mind, if we WANT a FA QB interested - it might be a good idea to tell him we're drafting Barkley 1st. People are acting like I'm saying I want to wait until round 3 or 4. No, just pick #4 where someone once chose Philip Rivers (over Ben Roethlisberger). The following QBs have been drafted long after pick#4 - Russell Wilson, Dak Prescott, Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr, Jimmy Garapollo, Big Ben, Nick Foles, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre, Dan Marino and Tom Brady just off the top of my head... This might be a year a very good year to pick a QB at #4 overall just 3 picks after securing our very first scoring weapon in the starting lineup.
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There's some corners thinking this QB class could be a replay of 1983. Like at least four, and maybe 5-6 going in the first round? Just have to find the right one.
Which is why you go QB at 4 and Barkley 1.
The rookie QB should not play unless there is no other option. Yoo thought Kizer looked ready to go and he might be ruined forever.
Which is why you go QB at 4 and Barkley 1.
The rookie QB should not play unless there is no other option. Yoo thought Kizer looked ready to go and he might be ruined forever.
Kizer might not be ruined forever -BUT- it's gotta knock the tar out of you getting pummeled every week and you are trying your best to win.....remember Couch, ouch!
On that 0-16 fiasco of a team hopefully he will or does know it wasn't all his fault.
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Even though we disagree on Quon - I enjoy and respect your players evals.
Likewise. You're someone that, even at times I find myself disagreeing with, makes a presentable and logical argument.
FFS. We are in a football forum, you guys are supposed to throw sh!t at each other when you disagree!
If we start acting like this, what will we end up like? Civilized men discussing and respecting each other? Yuck!!!
Need some privacy? Go to a motel!
FFS. We are in a football forum, you guys are supposed to throw sh!t at each other when you disagree!
If we start acting like this, what will we end up like? Civilized men discussing and respecting each other? Yuck!!!
Need some privacy? Go to a motel!
Oh no you DITNT! Okay how's this? Your church would be so proud of you.
Why am I getting the feeling if I was in sales I'd be sleeping under bridges?
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Take Saquon
Sign a bridge QB to help develop Kizer, or someone else if we draft them at #4
Trade back up to take Coutland Sutton
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None of the QBs are outstanding. If there was a guy you obiviously take him over the pack.
Barkley will be gone by 4. The Giants and Colts will not pass on a player like him when both their QBs have had their struggles as of late. Barkley is a game changers who can play now. The fastest way for the Browns to win is Barkley, then a QB at 4 and signing a Vet to play this season assuming Kizer cant win the job. They youre pretty much set at QB for the interim. You hope the 4 pick is ready next season.
Good points, but there is are a couple reasons people have Giants taking a QB. One, they won't be drafting this high again. Everything went wrong for them this year, as the team the year before was a playoff team. And 2nd, Eli is NOT Tom Brady. He isn't nearly as good, and he won't play until he's 150 like Brady.
I dont like them, but in my opinion, if they want to succeed in the future they draft the replacement. Barkley (if as good as hyped) may help them immediately, but in a year or 2 they won't have a QB. And I don't think Barkley takes them over the Eagles. Eli had a lot of problems last year, and if they want to compete in the duture, they will need their heir apparent.
The Colts have more of a chance to take Barkley in my opinion, as they already have their QB. They aren't taking one. But they haven't lit up the league in past few seasons with Luck, as they probably have more holes than Cleveland. They could certainly trade with a team who wants to come up for QB to get more assets.
But the one thing that I just don't get with people saying take Barkley at 1 and QB at 4, they either say you still get a top QB (could be true or untrue) or like you said they all have issues or aren't outstanding. Well if you passed at 1 for your franchise QB, why would you then take one 3 picks later? In those 3 picks, did he gain skill, or is it that the potentially 3rd QB on your list is better than 1st?
At 40, TB was still the most important player on your team. If they had Paxton Lynch (or even use your 3rd stringer in camp Brissett or Brian Hoyer) instead, but had Todd Gurley, Zeke, Kareem Hunt, Alvin Kamara, or Leveon Bell, you think they would have been in Super Bowl?
Does Barkley turn the Browns into a playoff team next year, and then once in have a chance? Because I GUARANTEE that the top QB (assuming at least one pans out) will help the team they are on to improve.
Everyone rags on Bortles, and he certainly hasn't lived up to 3rd pick, but when he played well (or decent) is when the Jags performed well, when he was bad, Jags were. His running helped them A LOT in postseason.
One thing that shows how important QB is, look at the "talk" about trades for 2 QB that are top 5 players at this point. They certainly aren't worth it, but Luck and Foles have BOTH been talked about for 2 1s and 2 2s, you think any of the top backs in the league would fetch anywhere close to that.
Not all directed directly to you Boo. It just is soo ironic to me how likely the same ones advocating for possibly the 3rd QB are the same ones who were up in arms that team didn't take a QB, didn't take "their" QB, or took one too late.
Even your buddy Ghoolie has said QB is most important position, and in one thread says Browns need Mayfield, another they need Jackson, and then says Barkley. Next week they will need, Penny, Charl, and either White or Benkerk. By the time of draft, he will have mentioned EVERY skill player one place or another, and then say "I told everyone, he was best player, I predicted it 100%, and I saw this guy before anyone, including his mama" I'm the only smart guy on here. Just a lot of profanity and I'll words in between.
Have a good evening buddy
Even your buddy Ghoolie has said QB is most important position, and in one thread says Browns need Mayfield, another they need Jackson, and then says Barkley.
That's kind of a relief Gunzies. If people think Po's man-crush on Barkley is scary, Ghoolie sounded like he wanted Paxton Lynch in Playgirl Magazine. My heebeegeebees were getting heebeegeebees.
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Even your buddy Ghoolie has said QB is most important position, and in one thread says Browns need Mayfield, another they need Jackson, and then says Barkley.
That's kind of a relief Gunzies. If people think Po's man-crush on Barkley is scary, Ghoolie sounded like he wanted Paxton Lynch in Playgirl Magazine. My heebeegeebees were getting heebeegeebees.
That's kind of a relief Gunzies. If people think Po's man-crush on Barkley is scary, Ghoolie sounded like he wanted Paxton Lynch in Playgirl Magazine. My heebeegeebees were getting heebeegeebees.
Yeah the ghool, the sports authority on Monday or is it Wednesday maybe it's Friday? Oh well every class needs a clown.
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NY taking a QB at 2 would create a $hitstorm. Eli would have little chance to rebound.
Eli is not Brady, but he is a 2 time Super Bowl winner. Barkley would take so much pressure of Manning, but if they pass on Barkley the Colts have no RB. Frank Gore will not be resigned.
It may create a problem, for 1 or 2 years, and the rookie would sit. No team is going to be that loyal to a player when they are thinking about their future. Look what they did last year when they had no chance. They SHOULD think about their future.
And yes like I already said, Colts may very well need a RB. They also need a lot of other things, and COULD trade that pick or look at helping their porous defense. They aren't just a RB away. They get Barkley, they may score 1-2 TD more a game (that's A LOT), they would have to outscore opponents as their DEFENSE was a fair amount worse than Browns.
You failed to read ANYTHING beyond that paragraph apparently.
I guess I have to use other sport analogies. Even if I don't like him, best basketball player in the league. Lebron. Even having the best player, they arent the best team. If they had a top pick, should they pick the best athlete in draft even if it doesn't help them get over the top, when what they need is a PG? Or maybe your flavor is baseball, Mike Trout is best player, yet they don't make postseason, but should they draft another C.F. because he is best player in draft even those they need a SP. OR maybe you like hockey? I dont, but isn't Ovechkin supposed to be best player. They should draft another scorer, even though the reason they have never won is because they have a bad goalie?
The idea of ANY team sport isn't to have the PLAYER at a position, it's to have the best team. You may not have the best player at any position, but the right team. You have to figure out how to assemble the best team, and while Barkley may get you 2000 yards and 25 TD total, if you don't have the complementary pieces it's all for naught. While maybe another back gets you 1500 and 15 TDs while the other pieces are better, you could be in good position
It may create a problem, for 1 or 2 years, and the rookie would sit. No team is going to be that loyal to a player when they are thinking about their future. Look what they did last year when they had no chance. They SHOULD think about their future.
The Coach got fired for benching Manning.
And yes like I already said, Colts may very well need a RB. They also need a lot of other things, and COULD trade that pick or look at helping their porous defense. They aren't just a RB away. They get Barkley, they may score 1-2 TD more a game (that's A LOT), they would have to outscore opponents as their DEFENSE was a fair amount worse than Browns.
The Colts defense was 10th vs the run. Browns were 5th. Fair amount worse? Yeah, I guess so http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef
The Colts run game was 24th in the NFL in 2017. Plus, they bad QB play. The Giants run game was ranked 29th. NYG or Indy will grab Barkley if the Browns pass. I reckon by your standards there Guns the Browns OFFENSE was a fair amount worse than the Giants http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff The only silver lining on the Browns offense was the 10th ranked run game and now Crowell is off to make his fortune.
Look at team efficiency and where the last 3 teams are drafting? You take Barkley because he can help your offense the most right now http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff
You failed to read ANYTHING beyond that paragraph apparently.
Sometimes it gets a little verbose.
I guess I have to use other sport analogies. Even if I don't like him, best basketball player in the league. Lebron. Even having the best player, they arent the best team. If they had a top pick, should they pick the best athlete in draft even if it doesn't help them get over the top, when what they need is a PG? Or maybe your flavor is baseball, Mike Trout is best player, yet they don't make postseason, but should they draft another C.F. because he is best player in draft even those they need a SP. OR maybe you like hockey? I dont, but isn't Ovechkin supposed to be best player. They should draft another scorer, even though the reason they have never won is because they have a bad goalie?
I love sports analogies. Who told you different?
I know that the Browns dont have a QB. They also need a RB who can make a difference like a Bell, Gurley, Hunt, Fournette - all 2017 playoff teams.
The Giants have a QB, but they need a RB with the 29th rush offense in 2017
The Colts have a QB assuming Luck is healthy, but they had the 24th rush offense in the NFL and now Gore is gone.
The idea of ANY team sport isn't to have the PLAYER at a position, it's to have the best team. You may not have the best player at any position, but the right team. You have to figure out how to assemble the best team, and while Barkley may get you 2000 yards and 25 TD total, if you don't have the complementary pieces it's all for naught. While maybe another back gets you 1500 and 15 TDs while the other pieces are better, you could be in good position
I am building the best team.
Barkley at 1 and youre set at RB for 4 years. QB at 4 and youre set at that position for the foreseeable future. Sign a Vet FA QB to take over this season while your rookie QB learns the game.
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