Barkley at #1?
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OK
Might as well draw names out of a hat.
No, you shouldn't. You just seem to fail to realize that things work both ways. You started the talk about buzz saying not for these guys, but there was for other GOT QBs. I just point out that there has been just as much buzz for guys who are on top 10 busts of all time.
So what is the difference in the buzz for Eli/Rivers/Ben vs buzz for Leaf/Russell/RG3?
And then there are ones who had no buzz.
So exactly what does this buzz do?
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Leaf could very well make the HOF. He has consistently played at high level for a number of season. Marino did not win a ring, but is in the HOF.
You might want to go back and review what you wrote Chief.
You said, "Buzz, yeah maybe" There was no maybe about it. Both Ben and Manning were highly touted and regarded as top flight QBs, NY moved up to get Manning. Rivers was on a team that went 14 - 2 coached by Marty. Kieding missed the winning FG for the win. I was there. No, Rivers has not won a ring, but you cant count SD out of making the post season since Rivers has been there.
The only player right now ready for the NFL is Barkley. All the QBs are projects. Take a project at 1 or take a project at 4.
In what world do you live in where you think Ryan Leaf could very well make the Hall of Fame. Now I like you Boo, but that was stoopid
In what world do you live in where you think Ryan Leaf could very well make the Hall of Fame. Now I like you Boo, but that was stoopid
You're actively being trolled into responses and you don't even realize it.
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He says "few and far between" and you support your claim by posting two examples in 17 years of football seasons. One of those examples had a HOF QB under center and a current top 10 QB in the NFL. Very nice!
The exact quote was that Emmit Smith was the last RB to lead a team to a championship 20 years ago. Its happened as recently as 2013.
Youre right. All you need to do is select the next HOF QB in this draft.
If the Browns like a QB enough to think he's the future of franchise, we take him number 1-there's no debate. Sam Darnold is being compared to Andrew Luck by NFL scouts, he got a little buzz if I'm remembering correctly. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/sam-darnold?id=2560057
The Browns have been awful for going on two decades because they've failed to draft a franchise QB. You can point to busts all you want, but I can equally point to Ki-Jana Carter and others (cough, Trent Richardson, cough) for massive failures at the RB position. Don't even get me started on the whole "well he could have been good if the talent was better" argument either. Dozens of Browns rejects have gone to better teams, gotten a chance to start, and showed they were equally bad to back-up caliber players (Quinn, Anderson, McCoy) and that's just off the top of my head.
I think Barkley is going to be a great player, don't get me wrong. But a QB is unquestionably and always more valuable. Hell, we've had RB's on the team that are currently 2nd and 3rd for most rushing yards in a game and it sure as hell hasn't gotten the organization very far along.
Youre getting a QB at 4 and signing a Vet QB. Thats how you win now. Watson was a surprise in Houston.
The exact quote was that Emmit Smith was the last RB to lead a team to a championship 20 years ago. Its happened as recently as 2013.
Youre right. All you need to do is select the next HOF QB in this draft.
Youre getting a QB at 4 and signing a Vet QB. Thats how you win now. Watson was a surprise in Houston.
OK forgot about Faulk, my bad. I said "generational" RBs. That means to my mind a once in a 20 year talent, not a once in every 3-5 year talent. A guy who you can put in the conversation with the GOATs- the Browns, Payton's, and Sanders. Faulk, Tomlinson, and certainly not Lynch aren't on that level. So, Boo you want to tell me that Saquon will be on the GOAT level, since you're saying draft him #1 overall? Plenty of game tape to the contrary? Plenty of history showing a HOF QB trumps HOF RB? I'll even put Barkley on Adrian Peterson level for comparison, he'd be a nice complimentary piece on the Browns if we already had our franchise quarterback, too bad we DON'T.
PS regarding Seattle and Beast Mode, (as with Payton and the Bears) he can thank the Legion of Boom for getting them there.
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I got no problem with you, but youre not reading what I write.
ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported that, "McAdoo's handling -- or mismanagement -- of how Eli Manning has been benched has been met with open unhappiness from Giants [CEO] John Mara, who is extremely fond of the two-time Super Bowl MVP." https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/giants-reportedly-fire-ben-mcadoo-days-after-he-benches-eli-manning/
Macadoo went 11 - 5 the previous season with Manning. In 2017 they lost Beckham and had a lousy run game.
2 Yes the Browns run offense was better with Crowell who is now a FA. Colts have the better QB if Luck is back 100%, but now they no RB. Giants have a 2 time Super Bowl QB who has proven that he can win in big games, but they had the 29th rushing offense in the NFL last year.
3 If the Giants take a QB at 2 then Manning is done. He will have 1 foot on a banana peel from the get go. The Giants are a well run franchise. Always have been, but I just do not see them taking a QB in the 1st round. They traded up for Manning when they wanted to make a move at QB. Also, youre taking a player who would sit and do your team little good if Manning does somehow turn it around.
4 I am not hearing that this Rosen kid looks like the best QB in the crop. Nor Darnold, or Allen, or Rudloph etc. With about 7 weeks to go till draft day you would think that at least 1 guy would distance himself from the others. If the Giants took Rosen would Darnold, Mayfield, Rudolph or Allen be a bad pick for the Browns? I dont think so. You are building for the future because the rookie QB should learn behind a Vet QB.
With Barkley, if the Browns rushing attack was top 5 for 4 years I guess I am missing how that would not be a good thing.
It wouldn't be a bad thing, I just don't see it making the difference in what any franchise wants, a championship, not without the right QB, whether that guy is at 1,4,33, or Mr Irrevelent. Again, I dont dislike Barkley at all, dont mind if the Browns take him (even at 1).
What I do think is wrong is people talking like Barkley is perfect, has no flaws, or is a savior. And then there seems to be a 50/50 split on whether it's a great QB class or subpar. If you see 3 of them as great, and closely rated together, then sure. That doesn't happen a lot though. And if you only have 1-2 You really like, then you are risking it. And IF you don't have one rated highly, and saying just wait until 4 to take him, well why take him AT ALL if he isn't good enough to draft at 1 at the most important position.
And then for the sake of argument, say the Browns take Barkley at 1 like a lot of people seem to be saying now, and then the QB gets chosen before their next pick and that QB turns out to be great, then those same people will be up in arms because they didn't draft thst guy. So the team did what THEY wanted then to do, and will still whine.
As far as the Giants, you still have that Pats gear on apparently. There is only 1 Tom Brady. Even the better Manning (Peyton) retired at what 39? So Eli has 2 years until that. So after those 2 years, the Giants will NEED a QB, and chances are that Giants are not in position to draft top QB then. Eli may very well turn it around this year, but he isn't turning the clock backwards. And as you said, they are a well run franchise and know that his time is coming to an end, and need to build for future.
As far as McAdoo, when the decision was made, the owner was on board. They had 1 win at THAT point. He was already losing his job, the benching just added to it. Him benching Manning was NOT the sole reason he was fired
It wouldn't be a bad thing, I just don't see it making the difference in what any franchise wants, a championship, not without the right QB, whether that guy is at 1,4,33, or Mr Irrevelent. Again, I dont dislike Barkley at all, dont mind if the Browns take him (even at 1).
What I do think is wrong is people talking like Barkley is perfect, has no flaws, or is a savior. And then there seems to be a 50/50 split on whether it's a great QB class or subpar. If you see 3 of them as great, and closely rated together, then sure. That doesn't happen a lot though. And if you only have 1-2 You really like, then you are risking it. And IF you don't have one rated highly, and saying just wait until 4 to take him, well why take him AT ALL if he isn't good enough to draft at 1 at the most important position.
And then for the sake of argument, say the Browns take Barkley at 1 like a lot of people seem to be saying now, and then the QB gets chosen before their next pick and that QB turns out to be great, then those same people will be up in arms because they didn't draft thst guy. So the team did what THEY wanted then to do, and will still whine.
As far as the Giants, you still have that Pats gear on apparently. There is only 1 Tom Brady. Even the better Manning (Peyton) retired at what 39? So Eli has 2 years until that. So after those 2 years, the Giants will NEED a QB, and chances are that Giants are not in position to draft top QB then. Eli may very well turn it around this year, but he isn't turning the clock backwards. And as you said, they are a well run franchise and know that his time is coming to an end, and need to build for future.
As far as McAdoo, when the decision was made, the owner was on board. They had 1 win at THAT point. He was already losing his job, the benching just added to it. Him benching Manning was NOT the sole reason he was fired
The Giants won the super bowl going 9 - 7 and 10 - 6. Manning has proven that he can win big games on the road.
2 years of a clutch QB or a rookie who is unproven? Im going with the guy who has the resume. You cant teach coming through in the clutch.
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passing on Barkley would be a monumental screw-up.
Take him! Im sure Darnold or Rosen will be there at 4, and if not, take Micah Fitzpatrick.
passing on Barkley would be a monumental screw-up.
Take him! Im sure Darnold or Rosen will be there at 4, and if not, take Micah Fitzpatrick.
Thank you.
He is gone by 4.
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As fans we only get a partial view of the big picture. This FO gets to meet with these QB Prospects face to face and put them through the paces. They will have a #1 QB by the time the dust settles, and they cannot take the chance that someone else will draft him.
If they draft scared and let other teams determine who their QB will be so they can use #1 overall on one of the easiest positions to fill, it will be the same old Sheet(unless it works).
Edit: Barkley will probably be there at 4, and if he isn’t, it’s not like you missed out on your QB, so it’s no biggie.
Royce, you make some valid points. BUT, the last time we drafted a QB in round 1 - there wasn't a consensus in our organization while a better QB like Carr got drafted a round later elsewhere. This year's group of QBs may not be that easy for everyone in FO/staff to be on the same page with. For example, right now Mayock is saying he didn't see why he keeps hearing us taking Mayfield at #4 when there's Josh Allen and Sam Darnold (who was just too terrified to throw at the combines). If anyone in our FO is thinking this very same way - what makes you so certain we HAVE to go QB 1st? Haven't we gone the arm strength over accuracy route ad-nauseum here via DA, Weeden and Kizer? How many times does our history need to show us you can't square peg a round hole?
Again, we've never had way more $ than everyone else needing a veteran FA QB like we have this time around. Nothing about this needs to be terrifying for our Front Office if they defer the QB to #4 overall. Do you know how many great QBs have been drafted after #4 overall? Here's a ratload of those: Russell Wilson, Dak Prescott, Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr, Jimmy Garapollo, Ben Roethlisberger, Nick Foles, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Dan Marino, Joe Montana and Mark Brunell just off the top of my head... And Philip Rivers was drafted at #4 (ahead of Ben Rapen) while Kurt Warner wasn't even drafted. A ton of those guys had at least 2 QBs drafted in front of them. Were their finders all just a bunch of Jethro Clampetts striking oil by accident - or did they have some degree of research behind the investments?
And in Favre's case, the team that drafted him wasn't willing to put the things into him that the team who traded for him did up in GB.
With our FA situation, this might be a very good year to pick a QB at #4 overall just 3 picks after securing our very first scoring weapon in the starting lineup. If we WANT to recruit a veteran QB to come here money alone won't do it. They're going to want at least 1 reliable scoring weapon. Even Josh Gordon isn't one if we count his last 10 starts since 2013 with only 1 TD. This is ANOTHER reason I want us to bring Barkley here aside from his very underrated receiving skills. Counting his 2 kickoff returns for scores in 2017, he's got 45 TDs in the last 2 years. I'm pretty confident that will help us recruit a veteran QB; plus we may be losing our previous starting RB.
There's more than 1 thing that took this stubborn knucklehead from 1 side of this debate to the other. If people can just read the rationale, they might get it more than they are willing to. There's only 2 teams drafting between us at 1 and us at 4 and if one of them takes Josh Allen - I'll send them all the candy and flowers they could ever want.
Royce, you make some valid points. BUT, the last time we drafted a QB in round 1 - there wasn't a consensus in our organization while a better QB like Carr got drafted a round later elsewhere. This year's group of QBs may not be that easy for everyone in FO/staff to be on the same page with. For example, right now Mayock is saying he didn't see why he keeps hearing us taking Mayfield at #4 when there's Josh Allen and Sam Darnold (who was just too terrified to throw at the combines). If anyone in our FO is thinking this very same way - what makes you so certain we HAVE to go QB 1st? Haven't we gone the arm strength over accuracy route ad-nauseum here via DA, Weeden and Kizer? How many times does our history need to show us you can't square peg a round hole?
Again, we've never had way more $ than everyone else needing a veteran FA QB like we have this time around. Nothing about this needs to be terrifying for our Front Office if they defer the QB to #4 overall. Do you know how many great QBs have been drafted after #4 overall? Here's a ratload of those: Russell Wilson, Dak Prescott, Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr, Jimmy Garapollo, Ben Roethlisberger, Nick Foles, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Dan Marino, Joe Montana and Mark Brunell just off the top of my head... And Philip Rivers was drafted at #4 (ahead of Ben Rapen) while Kurt Warner wasn't even drafted. A ton of those guys had at least 2 QBs drafted in front of them. Were their finders all just a bunch of Jethro Clampetts striking oil by accident - or did they have some degree of research behind the investments?
And in Favre's case, the team that drafted him wasn't willing to put the things into him that the team who traded for him did up in GB.
With our FA situation, this might be a very good year to pick a QB at #4 overall just 3 picks after securing our very first scoring weapon in the starting lineup. If we WANT to recruit a veteran QB to come here money alone won't do it. They're going to want at least 1 reliable scoring weapon. Even Josh Gordon isn't one if we count his last 10 starts since 2013 with only 1 TD. This is ANOTHER reason I want us to bring Barkley here aside from his very underrated receiving skills. Counting his 2 kickoff returns for scores in 2017, he's got 45 TDs in the last 2 years. I'm pretty confident that will help us recruit a veteran QB; plus we may be losing our previous starting RB.
There's more than 1 thing that took this stubborn knucklehead from 1 side of this debate to the other. If people can just read the rationale, they might get it more than they are willing to. There's only 2 teams drafting between us at 1 and us at 4 and if one of them takes Josh Allen - I'll send them all the candy and flowers they could ever want.
I understand that historically a lot of good QBs come after #4, but you can multiply that argument by ten for the RB position. Not only do RBs have the shortest shelf life, but they are also one of the easiest positions to fill. To argue a RB at #1 is only a few clicks south of saying we need a punter or kicker at #1. I’m not convinced that Barkley will have the best career of this RB group, because every year there’s a mid round guy who comes out of nowhere to become a superstar. The 2 best backs from last draft were taken in the third round.
I like Barkley, but I’m in no way upset if the browns don’t draft him. If they want to take their QB at 4, then I’d prefer they take Bradley Chubb at 1. take a premium position and set this defense up to be murderous.
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The exact quote was that Emmit Smith was the last RB to lead a team to a championship 20 years ago. Its happened as recently as 2013.
Youre right. All you need to do is select the next HOF QB in this draft.
Youre getting a QB at 4 and signing a Vet QB. Thats how you win now. Watson was a surprise in Houston.
OK forgot about Faulk, my bad. I said "generational" RBs. That means to my mind a once in a 20 year talent, not a once in every 3-5 year talent. A guy who you can put in the conversation with the GOATs- the Browns, Payton's, and Sanders. Faulk, Tomlinson, and certainly not Lynch aren't on that level. So, Boo you want to tell me that Saquon will be on the GOAT level, since you're saying draft him #1 overall? Plenty of game tape to the contrary? Plenty of history showing a HOF QB trumps HOF RB? I'll even put Barkley on Adrian Peterson level for comparison, he'd be a nice complimentary piece on the Browns if we already had our franchise quarterback, too bad we DON'T.
PS regarding Seattle and Beast Mode, (as with Payton and the Bears) he can thank the Legion of Boom for getting them there.
OK forgot about Faulk, my bad. I said "generational" RBs. That means to my mind a once in a 20 year talent, not a once in every 3-5 year talent. A guy who you can put in the conversation with the GOATs- the Browns, Payton's, and Sanders. Faulk, Tomlinson, and certainly not Lynch aren't on that level. So, Boo you want to tell me that Saquon will be on the GOAT level, since you're saying draft him #1 overall? Plenty of game tape to the contrary? Plenty of history showing a HOF QB trumps HOF RB? I'll even put Barkley on Adrian Peterson level for comparison, he'd be a nice complimentary piece on the Browns if we already had our franchise quarterback, too bad we DON'T.
PS regarding Seattle and Beast Mode, (as with Payton and the Bears) he can thank the Legion of Boom for getting them there.
Well, hell. Look what I found.
However, if the Browns snag the quarterback that the Giants view as the best in this class, a generational talent at running back in Penn State's Saquon Barkley could ignite a Giants' offense that is already loaded with talented playmakers such as Odell Beckham Jr., Sterling Shepard, and Evan Engram. http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2018/03/giants_nfl_draft_big_board_ranking_top-5_prospects.html#incart_river_index
Barkley is the missing piece to the Giants puzzle. Not QB right now.
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It wouldn't be a bad thing, I just don't see it making the difference in what any franchise wants, a championship, not without the right QB, whether that guy is at 1,4,33, or Mr Irrevelent. Again, I dont dislike Barkley at all, dont mind if the Browns take him (even at 1).
What I do think is wrong is people talking like Barkley is perfect, has no flaws, or is a savior. And then there seems to be a 50/50 split on whether it's a great QB class or subpar. If you see 3 of them as great, and closely rated together, then sure. That doesn't happen a lot though. And if you only have 1-2 You really like, then you are risking it. And IF you don't have one rated highly, and saying just wait until 4 to take him, well why take him AT ALL if he isn't good enough to draft at 1 at the most important position.
And then for the sake of argument, say the Browns take Barkley at 1 like a lot of people seem to be saying now, and then the QB gets chosen before their next pick and that QB turns out to be great, then those same people will be up in arms because they didn't draft thst guy. So the team did what THEY wanted then to do, and will still whine.
As far as the Giants, you still have that Pats gear on apparently. There is only 1 Tom Brady. Even the better Manning (Peyton) retired at what 39? So Eli has 2 years until that. So after those 2 years, the Giants will NEED a QB, and chances are that Giants are not in position to draft top QB then. Eli may very well turn it around this year, but he isn't turning the clock backwards. And as you said, they are a well run franchise and know that his time is coming to an end, and need to build for future.
As far as McAdoo, when the decision was made, the owner was on board. They had 1 win at THAT point. He was already losing his job, the benching just added to it. Him benching Manning was NOT the sole reason he was fired
The Giants won the super bowl going 9 - 7 and 10 - 6. Manning has proven that he can win big games on the road.
2 years of a clutch QB or a rookie who is unproven? Im going with the guy who has the resume. You cant teach coming through in the clutch.
The Giants won the super bowl going 9 - 7 and 10 - 6. Manning has proven that he can win big games on the road.
2 years of a clutch QB or a rookie who is unproven? Im going with the guy who has the resume. You cant teach coming through in the clutch.
My gosh, you just aren't very football smart. IF the Giants draft a QB, they DON'T START HIM DAY 1, THEY GO WITH MANNING UNTIL HE RETIRES.
You know, in 1-2 years see as though he is OLD.
End of lesson today. You obviously are trolling, uneducated, or just have 1 set opinion, and won't change for anything. It is sad any way you look at it.
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He says "few and far between" and you support your claim by posting two examples in 17 years of football seasons. One of those examples had a HOF QB under center and a current top 10 QB in the NFL. Very nice!
The exact quote was that Emmit Smith was the last RB to lead a team to a championship 20 years ago. Its happened as recently as 2013.
Youre right. All you need to do is select the next HOF QB in this draft.
If the Browns like a QB enough to think he's the future of franchise, we take him number 1-there's no debate. Sam Darnold is being compared to Andrew Luck by NFL scouts, he got a little buzz if I'm remembering correctly. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/sam-darnold?id=2560057
The Browns have been awful for going on two decades because they've failed to draft a franchise QB. You can point to busts all you want, but I can equally point to Ki-Jana Carter and others (cough, Trent Richardson, cough) for massive failures at the RB position. Don't even get me started on the whole "well he could have been good if the talent was better" argument either. Dozens of Browns rejects have gone to better teams, gotten a chance to start, and showed they were equally bad to back-up caliber players (Quinn, Anderson, McCoy) and that's just off the top of my head.
I think Barkley is going to be a great player, don't get me wrong. But a QB is unquestionably and always more valuable. Hell, we've had RB's on the team that are currently 2nd and 3rd for most rushing yards in a game and it sure as hell hasn't gotten the organization very far along.
Youre getting a QB at 4 and signing a Vet QB. Thats how you win now. Watson was a surprise in Houston.
Youre getting a QB at 4 and signing a Vet QB. Thats how you win now. Watson was a surprise in Houston.
"a" QB is the key word there. We don't have to get what's left of the bunch at #4, we can get our guy. If the Browns brass has tapped a QB as a top 5 pick, he should go number 1.Let me put it this way, assuming whichever QB would go number #1 and lives up to the potential.
Would you rather have Barry Sanders or Tom Brady? Adrian Peterson or Aaron Rodgers?
It's a crap shoot for any draft, but that answer is obvious.
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#1 QB favoured by FO.
#4 Minkah
Running back at #1, however good is not the right move IMO.
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The Giants won the super bowl going 9 - 7 and 10 - 6. Manning has proven that he can win big games on the road.
2 years of a clutch QB or a rookie who is unproven? Im going with the guy who has the resume. You cant teach coming through in the clutch.
My gosh, you just aren't very football smart. IF the Giants draft a QB, they DON'T START HIM DAY 1, THEY GO WITH MANNING UNTIL HE RETIRES.
You know, in 1-2 years see as though he is OLD.
End of lesson today. You obviously are trolling, uneducated, or just have 1 set opinion, and won't change for anything. It is sad any way you look at it.
My gosh, you just aren't very football smart. IF the Giants draft a QB, they DON'T START HIM DAY 1, THEY GO WITH MANNING UNTIL HE RETIRES.
You know, in 1-2 years see as though he is OLD.
End of lesson today. You obviously are trolling, uneducated, or just have 1 set opinion, and won't change for anything. It is sad any way you look at it.
Ridiculous.
As Manning gets another year older, you have just wasted your pick on a QB who wont play. Sorry, but I just dont want to spell everything out in infinite detail for someone to hopefully grasp. Next, we will be back to the Giants never drafting this high again.
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Good point. Let's take a look at QBs drafted and currently starting with at least 3 years of experience on their resumes:
Tom Brady - 6th round
Russell Wilson - 3rd round
Aaron Rodgers - #24 overall (who first sat behind a 2nd round pick Brett Favre)
Ben Roethlisberger - #11 overall
Drew Brees - 2nd round
Philip Rivers - #4 overall and traded to SD from NYG for Eli
Joe Flacco - #18 overall
Derek Carr - 2nd round
Jimmy Garoppolo - 2nd round
Kirk Cousins - 4th round
Matt Ryan - #3 overall
Eli Manning - #1 overall for SD traded to NYG for 4th pick overall Rivers
Blake Bortles - #3 overall
Matthew Stafford - #1 overall
Andrew Luck - #1 overall
Alex Smith - #1 overall
There's a TON of guys above that were drafted from pick #4 overall and later... One of them is about to get the biggest FA contract of 2018 and he started longer than RG3 for the same team that up to #2 to take RG3.
Ist overall picks
Smith - 0 super bowls
Luck - 0 super bowls
Stafford - 0 super bowls
Manning - 2 super bowls
25% odds of hitting it right aint good odds to me.
Ist overall picks
Smith - 0 super bowls
Luck - 0 super bowls
Stafford - 0 super bowls
Manning - 2 super bowls
25% odds of hitting it right aint good odds to me.
Do you realize how many teams win superbowls with starting RBs that didn’t get drafted at all?
Shmuck, the Eagles just won the Super Bowl with 2 undrafted RBs and a 5th rounder that they traded for.....
Willie Parker, Dominique Rhodes, Mike Bell, Pierre Thomas, LeGarette Blount, Corey Clement were all undrafted, and all have a Super Bowl ring that’s less than 15 years old.
theres also a lot of guys who were taken near the middle/end of the draft who made major contributions to Super Bowl wins. Brandon Jacobs (4th) James White (4th) Ahmad Bradshaw (7th) Jay Ajayi (5th) James Starks (6th)
It isn’t even an apples to apples discussion because while you’re listing #1 overall QBs who don’t have Super Bowl rings, the last RB to go #1 overall is old enough to be a father to guys looking to sign their second contract in the NFL, and he was a bust.
Ill be here waiting to hear about the long snapper you guys want to draft at #1.
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OK forgot about Faulk, my bad. I said "generational" RBs. That means to my mind a once in a 20 year talent, not a once in every 3-5 year talent. A guy who you can put in the conversation with the GOATs- the Browns, Payton's, and Sanders. Faulk, Tomlinson, and certainly not Lynch aren't on that level. So, Boo you want to tell me that Saquon will be on the GOAT level, since you're saying draft him #1 overall? Plenty of game tape to the contrary? Plenty of history showing a HOF QB trumps HOF RB? I'll even put Barkley on Adrian Peterson level for comparison, he'd be a nice complimentary piece on the Browns if we already had our franchise quarterback, too bad we DON'T.
PS regarding Seattle and Beast Mode, (as with Payton and the Bears) he can thank the Legion of Boom for getting them there.
Well, hell. Look what I found.
However, if the Browns snag the quarterback that the Giants view as the best in this class, a generational talent at running back in Penn State's Saquon Barkley could ignite a Giants' offense that is already loaded with talented playmakers such as Odell Beckham Jr., Sterling Shepard, and Evan Engram. http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2018/03/giants_nfl_draft_big_board_ranking_top-5_prospects.html#incart_river_index
Barkley is the missing piece to the Giants puzzle. Not QB right now.
Well, hell. Look what I found.
However, if the Browns snag the quarterback that the Giants view as the best in this class, a generational talent at running back in Penn State's Saquon Barkley could ignite a Giants' offense that is already loaded with talented playmakers such as Odell Beckham Jr., Sterling Shepard, and Evan Engram. http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2018/03/giants_nfl_draft_big_board_ranking_top-5_prospects.html#incart_river_index
Barkley is the missing piece to the Giants puzzle. Not QB right now.
And I've already said Saquon to the Giants doesn't necessarily make them an instant SB contender. Sugar plums dancing in the NY collective heads, let's see where the preseason SB odds fall- and that's around five months away.The Eagles (with a healthy Wentz) and the Cowboys (with Elliott off suspension) will have a lot to say about even winning the division. The G-Men may well go the Barkley route, if they want a last hurrah (and no backup plan) with Eli as the QB- but he's starting to show his age. When Eli retires, they're going to be hoping (like the Browns at the cursed #22) they can get lucky and find their qb- which like you're saying- is going to take a couple years to mature.
Ha- so a NJ paper has Barkley rated the #1 prospect for the Giants. So does about everyone else. To be "generational" the nfl.com rankings better be 8.0 or better. Close, no cigar Saquon. The hype train is in full force, (saw the Superquon pic in the NY Post) but that generational word is being tossed around a bit too freely for my tastes.
So If the draft goes Browns qb, Giants Saquon, Denver (or the Jets) trade with the Colts to take a qb- (and don't try telling me that's not a distinct possibility) the Browns will beat Saquon's 40 time up to the podium to turn in Chubb's name.
Seriously- like Gunz, I'm not going to be upset if we go Saquon\quarterback. Just saying that's not the only option- and maybe not even the best.
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The exact quote was that Emmit Smith was the last RB to lead a team to a championship 20 years ago. Its happened as recently as 2013.
OK, just who was that?
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My gosh, you just aren't very football smart. IF the Giants draft a QB, they DON'T START HIM DAY 1, THEY GO WITH MANNING UNTIL HE RETIRES.
You know, in 1-2 years see as though he is OLD.
End of lesson today. You obviously are trolling, uneducated, or just have 1 set opinion, and won't change for anything. It is sad any way you look at it.
Ridiculous.
As Manning gets another year older, you have just wasted your pick on a QB who wont play. Sorry, but I just dont want to spell everything out in infinite detail for someone to hopefully grasp. Next, we will be back to the Giants never drafting this high again.
Ridiculous.
As Manning gets another year older, you have just wasted your pick on a QB who wont play. Sorry, but I just dont want to spell everything out in infinite detail for someone to hopefully grasp. Next, we will be back to the Giants never drafting this high again.
You're right, you are always right. Get that resume ready and I will find you that application for GM, you can either replace the "coffee fetcher" or Belichek when he retires. Or better yet, and dont have to wait, be Gettlemen assistant and he can listen to all your infinite wisdom. You will have Superman Barkley, should win 190 games in a row, even with the little league QB to replace Manning
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Royce, you make some valid points. BUT, the last time we drafted a QB in round 1 - there wasn't a consensus in our organization while a better QB like Carr got drafted a round later elsewhere. This year's group of QBs may not be that easy for everyone in FO/staff to be on the same page with. For example, right now Mayock is saying he didn't see why he keeps hearing us taking Mayfield at #4 when there's Josh Allen and Sam Darnold (who was just too terrified to throw at the combines). If anyone in our FO is thinking this very same way - what makes you so certain we HAVE to go QB 1st? Haven't we gone the arm strength over accuracy route ad-nauseum here via DA, Weeden and Kizer? How many times does our history need to show us you can't square peg a round hole?
Again, we've never had way more $ than everyone else needing a veteran FA QB like we have this time around. Nothing about this needs to be terrifying for our Front Office if they defer the QB to #4 overall. Do you know how many great QBs have been drafted after #4 overall? Here's a ratload of those: Russell Wilson, Dak Prescott, Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr, Jimmy Garapollo, Ben Roethlisberger, Nick Foles, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Dan Marino, Joe Montana and Mark Brunell just off the top of my head... And Philip Rivers was drafted at #4 (ahead of Ben Rapen) while Kurt Warner wasn't even drafted. A ton of those guys had at least 2 QBs drafted in front of them. Were their finders all just a bunch of Jethro Clampetts striking oil by accident - or did they have some degree of research behind the investments?
And in Favre's case, the team that drafted him wasn't willing to put the things into him that the team who traded for him did up in GB.
With our FA situation, this might be a very good year to pick a QB at #4 overall just 3 picks after securing our very first scoring weapon in the starting lineup. If we WANT to recruit a veteran QB to come here money alone won't do it. They're going to want at least 1 reliable scoring weapon. Even Josh Gordon isn't one if we count his last 10 starts since 2013 with only 1 TD. This is ANOTHER reason I want us to bring Barkley here aside from his very underrated receiving skills. Counting his 2 kickoff returns for scores in 2017, he's got 45 TDs in the last 2 years. I'm pretty confident that will help us recruit a veteran QB; plus we may be losing our previous starting RB.
There's more than 1 thing that took this stubborn knucklehead from 1 side of this debate to the other. If people can just read the rationale, they might get it more than they are willing to. There's only 2 teams drafting between us at 1 and us at 4 and if one of them takes Josh Allen - I'll send them all the candy and flowers they could ever want.
I understand that historically a lot of good QBs come after #4, but you can multiply that argument by ten for the RB position. Not only do RBs have the shortest shelf life, but they are also one of the easiest positions to fill. To argue a RB at #1 is only a few clicks south of saying we need a punter or kicker at #1. I’m not convinced that Barkley will have the best career of this RB group, because every year there’s a mid round guy who comes out of nowhere to become a superstar. The 2 best backs from last draft were taken in the third round.
I like Barkley, but I’m in no way upset if the browns don’t draft him. If they want to take their QB at 4, then I’d prefer they take Bradley Chubb at 1. take a premium position and set this defense up to be murderous.
I understand that historically a lot of good QBs come after #4, but you can multiply that argument by ten for the RB position. Not only do RBs have the shortest shelf life, but they are also one of the easiest positions to fill. To argue a RB at #1 is only a few clicks south of saying we need a punter or kicker at #1. I’m not convinced that Barkley will have the best career of this RB group, because every year there’s a mid round guy who comes out of nowhere to become a superstar. The 2 best backs from last draft were taken in the third round.
I like Barkley, but I’m in no way upset if the browns don’t draft him. If they want to take their QB at 4, then I’d prefer they take Bradley Chubb at 1. take a premium position and set this defense up to be murderous.
This isn't last year. This is a year where a lot of draft analysts are ranking Barkley #1 overall in their top 50 prospects. I was originally right with you and others thinking this draft was so deep at RB we didn't need to look to that position first. I was telling Po (or at least trying to) the same things you were about the best 2 RBs last year and this is an even deeper draft.
But, since we're just 1 week away from trying to recruit the interest of a veteran FA QB to the lack of offensive play makers behind our 1-31 football team - what can #1 overall do to recruit their interest beyond the money we have? Well, we can tell them Jax took Fournette to help Bortles and they had the biggest record improvement in the AFC ending at the AFC Championship. For all I know you could be right Barkley but at this time I like seeing a RB that can catch 54 passes in 13 games, be the workhorse of a Big 10 Champion, score 45 TDs in 2 years from anywhere on the field from receiving, rushing or kickoff returns. Or, we could tell them we're going to draft a DE 1st in 2018 after drafting one first in 2017 after drafting one 32nd overall and at the top of round 3 in 2016 so they can see the type of commitment our next victim behind Center will get. They're going to look at us and say good luck with that....
Asking a QB to work with no scoring threats is like trying to work without a computer in Corporate America. The people with better resources are going to be more competitive. It's like we have well over 100 million $ to spend with the recruiting attraction of no tools to work with. Let's just say, they're going to know why we're where we are if we don't bring in a recruiting attraction. I think Barkley can really help us as a recruiting attraction if Dorsey let's them know he's what we plan to do at #1. Not only that, but some of the veteran FA QBs might want to hear we're not taking a rookie QB 1st overall so they think they can start longer than a sip of coffee here.
Will it crush me if we don't draft Barkley? Hell no! I think we'll still get 2 great players at 1 and 4.
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I’m kind of stunned (and baffled) how many genuinely seem to want to draft a RB at #1.
And even more so when you consider what our Jackass of a HC did with his use of backs last year.
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They’d better not tell fa recruits what they’re going to do in the draft. If they don’t end up signing, the cat is out of the bag, may well be out of the bag either way. Secondly, since the contract would be signed before the draft starts, they could just say “hey, we will get Barkley if you sign here” and then still make the smart choice of a QB at #1. If Barkley is gone at 4, say “oh well, we tried, you’re under contract, let’s play ball”
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I’m kind of stunned (and baffled) how many genuinely seem to want to draft a RB at #1.
And even more so when you consider what our Jackass of a HC did with his use of backs last year.
I’m kind of stunned (and baffled) how many genuinely seem to want to draft a RB at #1.
And even more so when you consider what our Jackass of a HC did with his use of backs last year.
Fair statement.
They used to say about Jim Brown: If you have a big gun, shoot it.
But Hue may be a Dungeons and Dragons fan....as the only weapons he accepts apparently are swords and axes.
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The exact quote was that Emmit Smith was the last RB to lead a team to a championship 20 years ago. Its happened as recently as 2013.
OK, just who was that?
The exact quote was that Emmit Smith was the last RB to lead a team to a championship 20 years ago. Its happened as recently as 2013.
OK, just who was that?
Emmitt Smith also had a star QB from UCLA.
We can get one this draft.
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