Tyrod Taylor A Brown
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You gotta be kidding.
Look at his numbers in 2017
Taylor threw 4 INTs - Kizer threw 22
Taylor had an approximate completions rate of 63% - Kizer 54%
Taylor fumbled 2 times - Kizer 6
He's a very solid bridge QB. He's a good game manager with experience.
The Browns did Kizer ZERO favors last season. None.
They have started to take steps to not make the same mistake again with Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield, etc this upcoming season.
He's a very solid bridge QB. He's a good game manager with experience.
The Browns did Kizer ZERO favors last season. None.
They have started to take steps to not make the same mistake again with Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield, etc this upcoming season.
Youre right.
Kizer should have been benched for good after about 5 games. He will only be a back up in the NFL and nothing more.
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You gotta be kidding.
Look at his numbers in 2017
Taylor threw 4 INTs - Kizer threw 22
Taylor had an approximate completions rate of 63% - Kizer 54%
Taylor fumbled 2 times - Kizer 6
So generally we are all aware that a turnip with feet was an improvement on Kizer. That doesn't make some of us jump for joy over Tyrod man. You can tell me all day long he doesn't turn the ball over but he doesn't do much positive either. 25th last year in both passing TD's and passing yards. 37th in yards per game. Brings around 20 total TD's to the table between rushing and passing. I am trying to get some enthusiasm but the stats and his performance make it pretty damn hard.
So generally we are all aware that a turnip with feet was an improvement on Kizer. That doesn't make some of us jump for joy over Tyrod man. You can tell me all day long he doesn't turn the ball over but he doesn't do much positive either. 25th last year in both passing TD's and passing yards. 37th in yards per game. Brings around 20 total TD's to the table between rushing and passing. I am trying to get some enthusiasm but the stats and his performance make it pretty damn hard.
Yup.. He blows!
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The big thing to me is, they made these moves KNOWING that the free agency market was going to be rough for them. No one was going to want to sign here.
So they went the trade route, added talent against talent's will... And now it doesn't look so bad.
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The big thing to me is, they made these moves KNOWING that the free agency market was going to be rough for them. No one was going to want to sign here.
So they went the trade route, added talent against talent's will... And now it doesn't look so bad.
The big thing to me is, they made these moves KNOWING that the free agency market was going to be rough for them. No one was going to want to sign here.
So they went the trade route, added talent against talent's will... And now it doesn't look so bad.
Lol
For Taylor the other option was driving a brown delivery truck.
WSS
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The big thing to me is, they made these moves KNOWING that the free agency market was going to be rough for them. No one was going to want to sign here.
So they went the trade route, added talent against talent's will... And now it doesn't look so bad.
Lol
For Taylor the other option was driving a brown delivery truck.
WSS
Lol
For Taylor the other option was driving a brown delivery truck.
WSS
Not sure what you mean, Steve... I mean, Taylor isn't great by any means, but he's a legit option as a bridge guy or safety net if the QB you draft wins the job and needs an experienced backup.
Aside from a 40-year old McCown, I don't know who else would have come here in that same capacity.
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I do as well. I don’t think Barkley will be able to run between the tackles and get YAC. He couldn’t in college, why would I think he could do it in the pros. I threw up in my mouth thinking of Mayfield in the first round.
Why wouldn't he be able to run between the tackles? Are you listening to yourself? There is nothing physically possible on a football field that Barkley could not do. Do you even know who Saquon is? He is capable of doing anything. That middle of the field should be wide open for him to run through to with DBs and LB having to cover the whole field.
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Why wouldn't he be able to run between the tackles? Are you listening to yourself? There is nothing physically possible on a football field that Barkley could not do. Do you even know who Saquon is? He is capable of doing anything. That middle of the field should be wide open for him to run through to with DBs and LB having to cover the whole field.
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Dude. The buckeyes shut Barkley down. I don't even want to see him play vs an NFL defense. Not in a browns jersy anyway
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Lol
For Taylor the other option was driving a brown delivery truck.
WSS
Not sure what you mean, Steve... I mean, Taylor isn't great by any means, but he's a legit option as a bridge guy or safety net if the QB you draft wins the job and needs an experienced backup.
Aside from a 40-year old McCown, I don't know who else would have come here in that same capacity.
Not sure what you mean, Steve... I mean, Taylor isn't great by any means, but he's a legit option as a bridge guy or safety net if the QB you draft wins the job and needs an experienced backup.
Aside from a 40-year old McCown, I don't know who else would have come here in that same capacity.
Just saying if he's so wonderful seems like Buffalo would have decided to spend some of their draft picks on building a team around him. They were pretty happy to be shed of him.
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Here's the deal - we're coming off 1-31 football so it doesn't matter what we have to spend on the QB position. It's not a recruiting attraction YET. I'm sure if Dorsey knew AJ McCarron, Sam Bradford or Case Keenum was a possibility - he'd be going for it.
The good news is Tyrod doesn't throw a lot of picks while he averaged a completion percentage of about 62.7 in the 3 years he started in Buffalo. Here's his TD:INT ratios, comp% and record during that time: 14 TD:4 INT 62.6 cmp% 8-6 record in 2017; 17 TD:6 INT 61.7 cmp% 7-8 record in 2016; 20 TD:6 INT 63.7 cmp% 7-6 record in 2015. He can also scramble out of trouble when needed. Meanwhile, Josh McCown's records as a starter the last 4 years is as follows: 1-10 TB in 2014, 1-7 Cle in 2015, 0-3 Cle in 2016, 5-8 NYJ in 2017. He's been beat up worse than Evel Knievel while he's almost as old as Barnabas Collins.
Not losing sight of the bigger picture, we're going to be drafting a QB with the 1st or the 4th pick. Maybe this we'll be like the Seahawks back in 2012 when they added veteran QB Matt Flynn for a 26 million $ deal with 10 million $ guaranteed before they drafted the most successful QB of his draft class Russell Wilson in round 3. Only we're not waiting until round 3 while we might have less urgency to start our rookie nearly as early. And what helped Wilson a lot particularly early on? Handing off to Beast Mode, scrambling out of trouble and a great defense.
Good post, I'm slowly wanting to the idea. I still find it odd we had to give pick 65 for him though on a one year contract. That pick was a nudge away from the 2nd round.
Good post, I'm slowly wanting to the idea. I still find it odd we had to give pick 65 for him though on a one year contract. That pick was a nudge away from the 2nd round.
Thanks! I gotta admit it took me an exhale or 2 before I looked at what Dorsey and Co was up against. All the possible FA QBs were already being pursued by teams at the combines so our FO was aware of who those players/agents limited their availability to. Furthermore, most people outside of our FO didn't think Landry coming here was anything more than wishful thinking by Cleveland fans only.
When I get frustrated - I get closed minded. That being the case, if I see someone else frustrated - I'll try to give them another way to look at it.
You're right about where the pick is but it is a starting QB that went 8-6 in the games he started last year. The 1 head scratcher I have is we traded away a 1st round pick (Shelton) for a NE 3rd round pick next year while we're also giving them a 5th round pick this year. Considering how often NE plays in the Superbowl/AFC Championship - their 3rd round pick is prolly as close to a 4th round pick as it gets. I GET that Shelton may not be compatible for Williams' scheme moving forward; but he tied up 2 blockers enough to keep our Pro Bowl MLB blocker free against the point of attack. Meanwhile guys that played the other DT spot Meder and Coley were productive. Prior to getting injured, PFF ranked Meder in the top 5 against the run. It's tough to knock what Dorsey is doing - but NE is getting one of the only 1st round picks that panned out here plus a 5th while we're just getting something close to round 4 value in exchange.
All that said, does this mean we're going QB first overall and going after Chubb at #4? This might mean we're looking at kicking Ogbah inside at times and/or we're going to try to sign a FA DT. Who knows but I get the impression the experienced FO has sound reasoning behind every move they make.
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Good post, I'm slowly wanting to the idea. I still find it odd we had to give pick 65 for him though on a one year contract. That pick was a nudge away from the 2nd round.
Thanks! I gotta admit it took me an exhale or 2 before I looked at what Dorsey and Co was up against. All the possible FA QBs were already being pursued by teams at the combines so our FO was aware of who those players/agents limited their availability to. Furthermore, most people outside of our FO didn't think Landry coming here was anything more than wishful thinking by Cleveland fans only.
When I get frustrated - I get closed minded. That being the case, if I see someone else frustrated - I'll try to give them another way to look at it.
You're right about where the pick is but it is a starting QB that went 8-6 in the games he started last year. The 1 head scratcher I have is we traded away a 1st round pick (Shelton) for a NE 3rd round pick next year while we're also giving them a 5th round pick this year. Considering how often NE plays in the Superbowl/AFC Championship - their 3rd round pick is prolly as close to a 4th round pick as it gets. I GET that Shelton may not be compatible for Williams' scheme moving forward; but he tied up 2 blockers enough to keep our Pro Bowl MLB blocker free against the point of attack. Meanwhile guys that played the other DT spot Meder and Coley were productive. Prior to getting injured, PFF ranked Meder in the top 5 against the run. It's tough to knock what Dorsey is doing - but NE is getting one of the only 1st round picks that panned out here plus a 5th while we're just getting something close to round 4 value in exchange.
All that said, does this mean we're going QB first overall and going after Chubb at #4? This might mean we're looking at kicking Ogbah inside at times and/or we're going to try to sign a FA DT. Who knows but I get the impression the experienced FO has sound reasoning behind every move they make.
All that said, does this mean we're going QB first overall and going after Chubb at #4? This might mean we're looking at kicking Ogbah inside at times and/or we're going to try to sign a FA DT. Who knows but I get the impression the experienced FO has sound reasoning behind every move they make.
That's what it looks like to me. Also follows what Dorsey said about where he values positions. QB 1. Edge rusher 2.
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You gotta be kidding.
Look at his numbers in 2017
Taylor threw 4 INTs - Kizer threw 22
Taylor had an approximate completions rate of 63% - Kizer 54%
Taylor fumbled 2 times - Kizer 6
So generally we are all aware that a turnip with feet was an improvement on Kizer. That doesn't make some of us jump for joy over Tyrod man. You can tell me all day long he doesn't turn the ball over but he doesn't do much positive either. 25th last year in both passing TD's and passing yards. 37th in yards per game. Brings around 20 total TD's to the table between rushing and passing. I am trying to get some enthusiasm but the stats and his performance make it pretty damn hard.
So generally we are all aware that a turnip with feet was an improvement on Kizer. That doesn't make some of us jump for joy over Tyrod man. You can tell me all day long he doesn't turn the ball over but he doesn't do much positive either. 25th last year in both passing TD's and passing yards. 37th in yards per game. Brings around 20 total TD's to the table between rushing and passing. I am trying to get some enthusiasm but the stats and his performance make it pretty damn hard.
Depending on what rookie we choose - their level of smarts, accuracy and prep may determine how long this vet starts (ie: like Russell Wilson made himself the year Seattle thought they had at least a stop-gap with their 26 million $ commitment to FA Matt Flynn. Just try to remember what TyTay is supposed to be a stop-gap other FA QBs don't want to be. While Seattle got Wilson in round 3 - we have our pick of the litter at #1.
Anyway, turnovers inside the red zone KILLED us against some opponents we could have beaten, while Taylor game managed an 8-6 record.
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I believe our first pick is qb - Josh Allen. Allen can learn the game for a year, while Taylor plays the Browns into several wins.
or maybe it will be Chubb and Mayfield ! LOL
It it's a "passing league"... I don't see Barkley - more like a qb, and pass rusher. Chubb would be awesome. Significant drop off after him.
or, more badly needed, Minkah at four. Pass rush doesn't help when the opposing qb can flip the ball in one second to a
wide open receiver/TE anytime, while laughing. Or, the Browns new db can go to fs, and they can get Chubb, and get their cb(s) in later rounds - it's a great cb draft I think. This upcoming draft is going to be an exciting event.
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Somewhere Mudfly could be all
's on this deal..He called for it, 2 seasons ago...Bills players have always seemed to stand up for Tyrod as Bills QB & as a good locker room teammate..That has not happened around here since Couch/McCoy? Could go anywhere from here..(even Lamar Jackson🥷)
What if we can land Barkley the next 2 picks get auctioned off for QBs we land Chubb at 4 and land Lamar Jackson at #33. That would make my year
What if we can land Barkley the next 2 picks get auctioned off for QBs we land Chubb at 4 and land Lamar Jackson at #33. That would make my year
And utterly destroy just about everyone else's.
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I’m not sure what we’d do without you Poe
Here is the good thing.....when we talk about Poe in the future....it may actually be in reference to a good football player and not sychopant message board poster.
With the potential FA signing of Dontari Poe....now that Shelton is gone.
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Taylor is a bridge and nothing more. He lead a team with two hotdog vendors and a cripple at WR to a playoff birth. I will take that potential as the stand in at QB over what was available in free agency.
As Ghoulie would say.. Another Black Tarkenton
As Ghoulie would say.. Another Black Tarkenton
You mean Taylor is to take the Browns to 3 Super Bowls....and be inducted into the Hall of Fame? Like Tarkenton?
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Not sure what you mean, Steve... I mean, Taylor isn't great by any means, but he's a legit option as a bridge guy or safety net if the QB you draft wins the job and needs an experienced backup.
Aside from a 40-year old McCown, I don't know who else would have come here in that same capacity.
Just saying if he's so wonderful seems like Buffalo would have decided to spend some of their draft picks on building a team around him. They were pretty happy to be shed of him.
WSS
Just saying if he's so wonderful seems like Buffalo would have decided to spend some of their draft picks on building a team around him. They were pretty happy to be shed of him.
WSS
Yes, so....what is your point? He was good enough to take the Bills to the playoffs last year. And they had gone longer than the Browns without making the playoffs. Taylor is not the QB of the future for this team. He is the bridge QB. Who else do you think would have been far better at that job?
The only other candidates I see out there were Josh McCown or Sam Bradford. Cousin? No...wants long term. McCarron? No...wants long term...and any guy Hue was slobbering over, quite frankly, is a guy I don't really want. Keenum...also wants long term.
Ryan Fitzpatrick? Beyond the fact that he is Irish....how would he have been better than Taylor?
Who would your preferred candidate have been?
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I believe our first pick is qb - Josh Allen. Allen can learn the game for a year, while Taylor plays the Browns into several wins.
or maybe it will be Chubb and Mayfield ! LOL
It it's a "passing league"... I don't see Barkley - more like a qb, and pass rusher. Chubb would be awesome. Significant drop off after him.
or, more badly needed, Minkah at four. Pass rush doesn't help when the opposing qb can flip the ball in one second to a
wide open receiver/TE anytime, while laughing. Or, the Browns new db can go to fs, and they can get Chubb, and get their cb(s) in later rounds - it's a great cb draft I think. This upcoming draft is going to be an exciting event.
I believe our first pick is qb - Josh Allen. Allen can learn the game for a year, while Taylor plays the Browns into several wins.
or maybe it will be Chubb and Mayfield ! LOL
It it's a "passing league"... I don't see Barkley - more like a qb, and pass rusher. Chubb would be awesome. Significant drop off after him.
or, more badly needed, Minkah at four. Pass rush doesn't help when the opposing qb can flip the ball in one second to a
wide open receiver/TE anytime, while laughing. Or, the Browns new db can go to fs, and they can get Chubb, and get their cb(s) in later rounds - it's a great cb draft I think. This upcoming draft is going to be an exciting event.
I repeat from another thread: why would we take a guy who has almost the exact same skill set, and issues as the guy we just traded away. Now, maybe all clones don't look exactly alike, but they do all have he same DNA.
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You mean Taylor is to take the Browns to 3 Super Bowls....and be inducted into the Hall of Fame? Like Tarkenton?
Umm no just a facsimile.. A run first QB who is destined to get his A$$ kicked!.... I'll wager to say he doesn't last 6 games...
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You mean Taylor is to take the Browns to 3 Super Bowls....and be inducted into the Hall of Fame? Like Tarkenton?
Umm no just a facsimile.. A run first QB who is destined to get his A$$ kicked!.... I'll wager to say he doesn't last 6 games...
Umm no just a facsimile.. A run first QB who is destined to get his A$$ kicked!.... I'll wager to say he doesn't last 6 games...
Then why call him Black Tarkenton? You don't have to be a Glommie knob Gobbler.....come up with your own creative Schtick.
And why would he not last 6 games? Again, he was good enough to take a team to the playoffs last year. Do you predict injury....or do you predict that whatever rookie we draft will show such quality that he will be inserted after 6 games?
It's Barkley #1. It always has been, always will be. It's our destiny my friend. 
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