Tyrod Taylor A Brown
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You gotta be kidding.
Look at his numbers in 2017
Taylor threw 4 INTs - Kizer threw 22
Taylor had an approximate completions rate of 63% - Kizer 54%
Taylor fumbled 2 times - Kizer 6
So generally we are all aware that a turnip with feet was an improvement on Kizer. That doesn't make some of us jump for joy over Tyrod man. You can tell me all day long he doesn't turn the ball over but he doesn't do much positive either. 25th last year in both passing TD's and passing yards. 37th in yards per game. Brings around 20 total TD's to the table between rushing and passing. I am trying to get some enthusiasm but the stats and his performance make it pretty damn hard.
So generally we are all aware that a turnip with feet was an improvement on Kizer. That doesn't make some of us jump for joy over Tyrod man. You can tell me all day long he doesn't turn the ball over but he doesn't do much positive either. 25th last year in both passing TD's and passing yards. 37th in yards per game. Brings around 20 total TD's to the table between rushing and passing. I am trying to get some enthusiasm but the stats and his performance make it pretty damn hard.
Depending on what rookie we choose - their level of smarts, accuracy and prep may determine how long this vet starts (ie: like Russell Wilson made himself the year Seattle thought they had at least a stop-gap with their 26 million $ commitment to FA Matt Flynn. Just try to remember what TyTay is supposed to be a stop-gap other FA QBs don't want to be. While Seattle got Wilson in round 3 - we have our pick of the litter at #1.
Anyway, turnovers inside the red zone KILLED us against some opponents we could have beaten, while Taylor game managed an 8-6 record.
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I believe our first pick is qb - Josh Allen. Allen can learn the game for a year, while Taylor plays the Browns into several wins.
or maybe it will be Chubb and Mayfield ! LOL
It it's a "passing league"... I don't see Barkley - more like a qb, and pass rusher. Chubb would be awesome. Significant drop off after him.
or, more badly needed, Minkah at four. Pass rush doesn't help when the opposing qb can flip the ball in one second to a
wide open receiver/TE anytime, while laughing. Or, the Browns new db can go to fs, and they can get Chubb, and get their cb(s) in later rounds - it's a great cb draft I think. This upcoming draft is going to be an exciting event.
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Somewhere Mudfly could be all
's on this deal..He called for it, 2 seasons ago...Bills players have always seemed to stand up for Tyrod as Bills QB & as a good locker room teammate..That has not happened around here since Couch/McCoy? Could go anywhere from here..(even Lamar Jackson🥷)
What if we can land Barkley the next 2 picks get auctioned off for QBs we land Chubb at 4 and land Lamar Jackson at #33. That would make my year
What if we can land Barkley the next 2 picks get auctioned off for QBs we land Chubb at 4 and land Lamar Jackson at #33. That would make my year
And utterly destroy just about everyone else's.
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I’m not sure what we’d do without you Poe
Here is the good thing.....when we talk about Poe in the future....it may actually be in reference to a good football player and not sychopant message board poster.
With the potential FA signing of Dontari Poe....now that Shelton is gone.
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Taylor is a bridge and nothing more. He lead a team with two hotdog vendors and a cripple at WR to a playoff birth. I will take that potential as the stand in at QB over what was available in free agency.
As Ghoulie would say.. Another Black Tarkenton
As Ghoulie would say.. Another Black Tarkenton
You mean Taylor is to take the Browns to 3 Super Bowls....and be inducted into the Hall of Fame? Like Tarkenton?
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Not sure what you mean, Steve... I mean, Taylor isn't great by any means, but he's a legit option as a bridge guy or safety net if the QB you draft wins the job and needs an experienced backup.
Aside from a 40-year old McCown, I don't know who else would have come here in that same capacity.
Just saying if he's so wonderful seems like Buffalo would have decided to spend some of their draft picks on building a team around him. They were pretty happy to be shed of him.
WSS
Just saying if he's so wonderful seems like Buffalo would have decided to spend some of their draft picks on building a team around him. They were pretty happy to be shed of him.
WSS
Yes, so....what is your point? He was good enough to take the Bills to the playoffs last year. And they had gone longer than the Browns without making the playoffs. Taylor is not the QB of the future for this team. He is the bridge QB. Who else do you think would have been far better at that job?
The only other candidates I see out there were Josh McCown or Sam Bradford. Cousin? No...wants long term. McCarron? No...wants long term...and any guy Hue was slobbering over, quite frankly, is a guy I don't really want. Keenum...also wants long term.
Ryan Fitzpatrick? Beyond the fact that he is Irish....how would he have been better than Taylor?
Who would your preferred candidate have been?
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I believe our first pick is qb - Josh Allen. Allen can learn the game for a year, while Taylor plays the Browns into several wins.
or maybe it will be Chubb and Mayfield ! LOL
It it's a "passing league"... I don't see Barkley - more like a qb, and pass rusher. Chubb would be awesome. Significant drop off after him.
or, more badly needed, Minkah at four. Pass rush doesn't help when the opposing qb can flip the ball in one second to a
wide open receiver/TE anytime, while laughing. Or, the Browns new db can go to fs, and they can get Chubb, and get their cb(s) in later rounds - it's a great cb draft I think. This upcoming draft is going to be an exciting event.
I believe our first pick is qb - Josh Allen. Allen can learn the game for a year, while Taylor plays the Browns into several wins.
or maybe it will be Chubb and Mayfield ! LOL
It it's a "passing league"... I don't see Barkley - more like a qb, and pass rusher. Chubb would be awesome. Significant drop off after him.
or, more badly needed, Minkah at four. Pass rush doesn't help when the opposing qb can flip the ball in one second to a
wide open receiver/TE anytime, while laughing. Or, the Browns new db can go to fs, and they can get Chubb, and get their cb(s) in later rounds - it's a great cb draft I think. This upcoming draft is going to be an exciting event.
I repeat from another thread: why would we take a guy who has almost the exact same skill set, and issues as the guy we just traded away. Now, maybe all clones don't look exactly alike, but they do all have he same DNA.
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You mean Taylor is to take the Browns to 3 Super Bowls....and be inducted into the Hall of Fame? Like Tarkenton?
Umm no just a facsimile.. A run first QB who is destined to get his A$$ kicked!.... I'll wager to say he doesn't last 6 games...
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You mean Taylor is to take the Browns to 3 Super Bowls....and be inducted into the Hall of Fame? Like Tarkenton?
Umm no just a facsimile.. A run first QB who is destined to get his A$$ kicked!.... I'll wager to say he doesn't last 6 games...
Umm no just a facsimile.. A run first QB who is destined to get his A$$ kicked!.... I'll wager to say he doesn't last 6 games...
Then why call him Black Tarkenton? You don't have to be a Glommie knob Gobbler.....come up with your own creative Schtick.
And why would he not last 6 games? Again, he was good enough to take a team to the playoffs last year. Do you predict injury....or do you predict that whatever rookie we draft will show such quality that he will be inserted after 6 games?
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Umm no just a facsimile.. A run first QB who is destined to get his A$$ kicked!.... I'll wager to say he doesn't last 6 games...
Then why call him Black Tarkenton? You don't have to be a Glommie knob Gobbler.....come up with your own creative Schtick.
And why would he not last 6 games? Again, he was good enough to take a team to the playoffs last year. Do you predict injury....or do you predict that whatever rookie we draft will show such quality that he will be inserted after 6 games?
Then why call him Black Tarkenton? You don't have to be a Glommie knob Gobbler.....come up with your own creative Schtick.
And why would he not last 6 games? Again, he was good enough to take a team to the playoffs last year. Do you predict injury....or do you predict that whatever rookie we draft will show such quality that he will be inserted after 6 games?
I believe one or the other will happen of course depending on who we select at QB.. And how well he can digest a playbook.. Again.. if he keeps running around back there (TT).. He's gonna get nailed in our division wich is pretty damn physical when your facing the likes of the Ravens,Stools and Bungles on D... That's a load...
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I believe our first pick is qb - Josh Allen. Allen can learn the game for a year, while Taylor plays the Browns into several wins.
or maybe it will be Chubb and Mayfield ! LOL
It it's a "passing league"... I don't see Barkley - more like a qb, and pass rusher. Chubb would be awesome. Significant drop off after him.
or, more badly needed, Minkah at four. Pass rush doesn't help when the opposing qb can flip the ball in one second to a
wide open receiver/TE anytime, while laughing. Or, the Browns new db can go to fs, and they can get Chubb, and get their cb(s) in later rounds - it's a great cb draft I think. This upcoming draft is going to be an exciting event.
I repeat from another thread: why would we take a guy who has almost the exact same skill set, and issues as the guy we just traded away. Now, maybe all clones don't look exactly alike, but they do all have he same DNA.
repeat from another thread: why would we take a guy who has almost the exact same skill set, and issues as the guy we just traded away. Now, maybe all clones don't look exactly alike, but they do all have he same DNA.
your question is based on a faulty premise. Kizer was a one read wonder most of the time, nearly all the time. He was known for dropping his eyes when the pocket got a bit tight. He was known for "WTF" was he thinking bad decisions most games. Wanted wide open windows, only looks at one part of the field on most all plays.... etc etc etc etc etc.
Allen is way, way past that - those are not his weaknesses at all. Therefore, the difference is huge - Allen has the qualities and abilities that Kizer does not. Josh Allen was asked to read the entire field. Kizer never DID, because he doesn't see it, just can't do it. Allen did it all the time. Just ask his coach.
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repeat from another thread: why would we take a guy who has almost the exact same skill set, and issues as the guy we just traded away. Now, maybe all clones don't look exactly alike, but they do all have he same DNA.
your question is based on a faulty premise. Kizer was a one read wonder most of the time, nearly all the time. He was known for dropping his eyes when the pocket got a bit tight. He was known for "WTF" was he thinking bad decisions most games. Wanted wide open windows, only looks at one part of the field on most all plays.... etc etc etc etc etc.
Allen is way, way past that - those are not his weaknesses at all. Therefore, the difference is huge - Allen has the qualities and abilities that Kizer does not. Josh Allen was asked to read the entire field. Kizer never DID, because he doesn't see it, just can't do it. Allen did it all the time. Just ask his coach.
your question is based on a faulty premise. Kizer was a one read wonder most of the time, nearly all the time. He was known for dropping his eyes when the pocket got a bit tight. He was known for "WTF" was he thinking bad decisions most games. Wanted wide open windows, only looks at one part of the field on most all plays.... etc etc etc etc etc.
Allen is way, way past that - those are not his weaknesses at all. Therefore, the difference is huge - Allen has the qualities and abilities that Kizer does not. Josh Allen was asked to read the entire field. Kizer never DID, because he doesn't see it, just can't do it. Allen did it all the time. Just ask his coach.
We'll know in about 6 weeks Cal. He's going to have to do a lot of convincing at his pro day and private workout to change some minds about being a top 10 pick. I didn't write this, but I sure agree with nfl.com's rating.
"Likely be the biggest boom-or-bust quarterback prospect in the draft. Allen's size and arm talent are prototypical for early first-round picks, but it's rare to find a quarterback with such a low college completion rate become a successful pro. Allen's receivers struggled to separate, but there were plenty of times where his lack of anticipation and post-snap plan did him in. Allen can make some truly special throws, but his ability to improve the mental part of his game will determine whether he's a good NFL starter or just another big, strong-armed guy."
You say tomato, I say toe-ma-toe. You say boom-ato, I say bust-ato.
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your question is based on a faulty premise. Kizer was a one read wonder most of the time, nearly all the time. He was known for dropping his eyes when the pocket got a bit tight. He was known for "WTF" was he thinking bad decisions most games. Wanted wide open windows, only looks at one part of the field on most all plays.... etc etc etc etc etc.
Allen is way, way past that - those are not his weaknesses at all. Therefore, the difference is huge - Allen has the qualities and abilities that Kizer does not. Josh Allen was asked to read the entire field. Kizer never DID, because he doesn't see it, just can't do it. Allen did it all the time. Just ask his coach.
We'll know in about 6 weeks Cal. He's going to have to do a lot of convincing at his pro day and private workout to change some minds about being a top 10 pick. I didn't write this, but I sure agree with nfl.com's rating.
"Likely be the biggest boom-or-bust quarterback prospect in the draft. Allen's size and arm talent are prototypical for early first-round picks, but it's rare to find a quarterback with such a low college completion rate become a successful pro. Allen's receivers struggled to separate, but there were plenty of times where his lack of anticipation and post-snap plan did him in. Allen can make some truly special throws, but his ability to improve the mental part of his game will determine whether he's a good NFL starter or just another big, strong-armed guy."
You say tomato, I say toe-ma-toe. You say boom-ato, I say bust-ato.
We'll know in about 6 weeks Cal. He's going to have to do a lot of convincing at his pro day and private workout to change some minds about being a top 10 pick. I didn't write this, but I sure agree with nfl.com's rating.
"Likely be the biggest boom-or-bust quarterback prospect in the draft. Allen's size and arm talent are prototypical for early first-round picks, but it's rare to find a quarterback with such a low college completion rate become a successful pro. Allen's receivers struggled to separate, but there were plenty of times where his lack of anticipation and post-snap plan did him in. Allen can make some truly special throws, but his ability to improve the mental part of his game will determine whether he's a good NFL starter or just another big, strong-armed guy."
You say tomato, I say toe-ma-toe. You say boom-ato, I say bust-ato.
The problem I have with Allen is his demeanor... Hes too "nice"... I just dont see anything masculine about him.. He comes off as wimpy.... We need a masculine leader..not a pussy cat... I'll pass...
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Just saying if he's so wonderful seems like Buffalo would have decided to spend some of their draft picks on building a team around him. They were pretty happy to be shed of him.
WSS
Yes, so....what is your point? He was good enough to take the Bills to the playoffs last year. And they had gone longer than the Browns without making the playoffs. Taylor is not the QB of the future for this team. He is the bridge QB. Who else do you think would have been far better at that job?
The only other candidates I see out there were Josh McCown or Sam Bradford. Cousin? No...wants long term. McCarron? No...wants long term...and any guy Hue was slobbering over, quite frankly, is a guy I don't really want. Keenum...also wants long term.
Ryan Fitzpatrick? Beyond the fact that he is Irish....how would he have been better than Taylor?
Who would your preferred candidate have been?
Yes, so....what is your point? He was good enough to take the Bills to the playoffs last year. And they had gone longer than the Browns without making the playoffs. Taylor is not the QB of the future for this team. He is the bridge QB. Who else do you think would have been far better at that job?
The only other candidates I see out there were Josh McCown or Sam Bradford. Cousin? No...wants long term. McCarron? No...wants long term...and any guy Hue was slobbering over, quite frankly, is a guy I don't really want. Keenum...also wants long term.
Ryan Fitzpatrick? Beyond the fact that he is Irish....how would he have been better than Taylor?
Who would your preferred candidate have been?
Let's see, let me think... Anybody that didn't cost a draft pick?
WSS
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Then why call him Black Tarkenton? You don't have to be a Glommie knob Gobbler.....come up with your own creative Schtick.
And why would he not last 6 games? Again, he was good enough to take a team to the playoffs last year. Do you predict injury....or do you predict that whatever rookie we draft will show such quality that he will be inserted after 6 games?
I believe one or the other will happen of course depending on who we select at QB.. And how well he can digest a playbook.. Again.. if he keeps running around back there (TT).. He's gonna get nailed in our division wich is pretty damn physical when your facing the likes of the Ravens,Stools and Bungles on D... That's a load...
I believe one or the other will happen of course depending on who we select at QB.. And how well he can digest a playbook.. Again.. if he keeps running around back there (TT).. He's gonna get nailed in our division wich is pretty damn physical when your facing the likes of the Ravens,Stools and Bungles on D... That's a load...
No....not really. The Steelers and Bengals defenses are nowhere close to what they used to be. And the Ravens defense primarily relied on an 80 year old DE...Terrell Suggs.
I don't think the defenses he will play against in this division are any better at all than what he faced in the AFCE.
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Yes, so....what is your point? He was good enough to take the Bills to the playoffs last year. And they had gone longer than the Browns without making the playoffs. Taylor is not the QB of the future for this team. He is the bridge QB. Who else do you think would have been far better at that job?
The only other candidates I see out there were Josh McCown or Sam Bradford. Cousin? No...wants long term. McCarron? No...wants long term...and any guy Hue was slobbering over, quite frankly, is a guy I don't really want. Keenum...also wants long term.
Ryan Fitzpatrick? Beyond the fact that he is Irish....how would he have been better than Taylor?
Who would your preferred candidate have been?
Let's see, let me think... Anybody that didn't cost a draft pick?
WSS
Let's see, let me think... Anybody that didn't cost a draft pick?
WSS
I am not bothered so much by that. But I understand. And, the truth is, that deal may not have been made if we had not had 5 picks in the first two rounds.
On the other hand, it may be possible that the Browns were getting vibes that none of the QBs out there that they may have wanted who were FAs would want to come to the Browns:
Cousins: wanted a winner. McCarron wanted to become a #1...not be a bridge guy. And maybe Josh McCown told the Browns he no longer wanted anything to do with them (or maybe with Hue) Can you blame him? Maybe Bradford had other potential bidders for him....like Arizona or some such, that he would have preferred. So....the Browns, having already expressed an interest in Taylor, thought it the better part of valor to use one of the multiplicity of picks on a guy that could likely do OK for some time. At least one year, maybe more.
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Maybe?
Maybe not.
WSS
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One read wonder... maybe a little more at times but not seeing the value or much of an upgrade over kizer
Edit: unless Haley plans to supplement with more designed QB runs, RPO and option
First, if Allen can learn how to play QB in a year, I'll kiss his butt on the 50... word is the kid embarrassed himself in his Combine whiteboard sessions.
One read wonder... maybe a little more at times but not seeing the value or much of an upgrade over kizer
Edit: unless Haley plans to supplement with more designed QB runs, RPO and option
I think Taylor's an upgrade and the best available option we had once Dorsey got skunked on Alex Smith. Best Option? Yeah since we are still not attracting A-list, or even B-list FAs. Bills took full advantage of this as well.
I agree that this sends a sign that we are heading in a direction other than Rosen. With TT and Hogan in hand, a pure pocket passer does not seem to be in the cards. I think that means Mayfield, but I fear it means Darnold is in the mix as well.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
It's Barkley #1. It always has been, always will be. It's our destiny my friend. 
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