Tyrod Taylor A Brown
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You mean Taylor is to take the Browns to 3 Super Bowls....and be inducted into the Hall of Fame? Like Tarkenton?
Umm no just a facsimile.. A run first QB who is destined to get his A$$ kicked!.... I'll wager to say he doesn't last 6 games...
Umm no just a facsimile.. A run first QB who is destined to get his A$$ kicked!.... I'll wager to say he doesn't last 6 games...
Then why call him Black Tarkenton? You don't have to be a Glommie knob Gobbler.....come up with your own creative Schtick.
And why would he not last 6 games? Again, he was good enough to take a team to the playoffs last year. Do you predict injury....or do you predict that whatever rookie we draft will show such quality that he will be inserted after 6 games?
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Umm no just a facsimile.. A run first QB who is destined to get his A$$ kicked!.... I'll wager to say he doesn't last 6 games...
Then why call him Black Tarkenton? You don't have to be a Glommie knob Gobbler.....come up with your own creative Schtick.
And why would he not last 6 games? Again, he was good enough to take a team to the playoffs last year. Do you predict injury....or do you predict that whatever rookie we draft will show such quality that he will be inserted after 6 games?
Then why call him Black Tarkenton? You don't have to be a Glommie knob Gobbler.....come up with your own creative Schtick.
And why would he not last 6 games? Again, he was good enough to take a team to the playoffs last year. Do you predict injury....or do you predict that whatever rookie we draft will show such quality that he will be inserted after 6 games?
I believe one or the other will happen of course depending on who we select at QB.. And how well he can digest a playbook.. Again.. if he keeps running around back there (TT).. He's gonna get nailed in our division wich is pretty damn physical when your facing the likes of the Ravens,Stools and Bungles on D... That's a load...
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I believe our first pick is qb - Josh Allen. Allen can learn the game for a year, while Taylor plays the Browns into several wins.
or maybe it will be Chubb and Mayfield ! LOL
It it's a "passing league"... I don't see Barkley - more like a qb, and pass rusher. Chubb would be awesome. Significant drop off after him.
or, more badly needed, Minkah at four. Pass rush doesn't help when the opposing qb can flip the ball in one second to a
wide open receiver/TE anytime, while laughing. Or, the Browns new db can go to fs, and they can get Chubb, and get their cb(s) in later rounds - it's a great cb draft I think. This upcoming draft is going to be an exciting event.
I repeat from another thread: why would we take a guy who has almost the exact same skill set, and issues as the guy we just traded away. Now, maybe all clones don't look exactly alike, but they do all have he same DNA.
repeat from another thread: why would we take a guy who has almost the exact same skill set, and issues as the guy we just traded away. Now, maybe all clones don't look exactly alike, but they do all have he same DNA.
your question is based on a faulty premise. Kizer was a one read wonder most of the time, nearly all the time. He was known for dropping his eyes when the pocket got a bit tight. He was known for "WTF" was he thinking bad decisions most games. Wanted wide open windows, only looks at one part of the field on most all plays.... etc etc etc etc etc.
Allen is way, way past that - those are not his weaknesses at all. Therefore, the difference is huge - Allen has the qualities and abilities that Kizer does not. Josh Allen was asked to read the entire field. Kizer never DID, because he doesn't see it, just can't do it. Allen did it all the time. Just ask his coach.
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repeat from another thread: why would we take a guy who has almost the exact same skill set, and issues as the guy we just traded away. Now, maybe all clones don't look exactly alike, but they do all have he same DNA.
your question is based on a faulty premise. Kizer was a one read wonder most of the time, nearly all the time. He was known for dropping his eyes when the pocket got a bit tight. He was known for "WTF" was he thinking bad decisions most games. Wanted wide open windows, only looks at one part of the field on most all plays.... etc etc etc etc etc.
Allen is way, way past that - those are not his weaknesses at all. Therefore, the difference is huge - Allen has the qualities and abilities that Kizer does not. Josh Allen was asked to read the entire field. Kizer never DID, because he doesn't see it, just can't do it. Allen did it all the time. Just ask his coach.
your question is based on a faulty premise. Kizer was a one read wonder most of the time, nearly all the time. He was known for dropping his eyes when the pocket got a bit tight. He was known for "WTF" was he thinking bad decisions most games. Wanted wide open windows, only looks at one part of the field on most all plays.... etc etc etc etc etc.
Allen is way, way past that - those are not his weaknesses at all. Therefore, the difference is huge - Allen has the qualities and abilities that Kizer does not. Josh Allen was asked to read the entire field. Kizer never DID, because he doesn't see it, just can't do it. Allen did it all the time. Just ask his coach.
We'll know in about 6 weeks Cal. He's going to have to do a lot of convincing at his pro day and private workout to change some minds about being a top 10 pick. I didn't write this, but I sure agree with nfl.com's rating.
"Likely be the biggest boom-or-bust quarterback prospect in the draft. Allen's size and arm talent are prototypical for early first-round picks, but it's rare to find a quarterback with such a low college completion rate become a successful pro. Allen's receivers struggled to separate, but there were plenty of times where his lack of anticipation and post-snap plan did him in. Allen can make some truly special throws, but his ability to improve the mental part of his game will determine whether he's a good NFL starter or just another big, strong-armed guy."
You say tomato, I say toe-ma-toe. You say boom-ato, I say bust-ato.
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your question is based on a faulty premise. Kizer was a one read wonder most of the time, nearly all the time. He was known for dropping his eyes when the pocket got a bit tight. He was known for "WTF" was he thinking bad decisions most games. Wanted wide open windows, only looks at one part of the field on most all plays.... etc etc etc etc etc.
Allen is way, way past that - those are not his weaknesses at all. Therefore, the difference is huge - Allen has the qualities and abilities that Kizer does not. Josh Allen was asked to read the entire field. Kizer never DID, because he doesn't see it, just can't do it. Allen did it all the time. Just ask his coach.
We'll know in about 6 weeks Cal. He's going to have to do a lot of convincing at his pro day and private workout to change some minds about being a top 10 pick. I didn't write this, but I sure agree with nfl.com's rating.
"Likely be the biggest boom-or-bust quarterback prospect in the draft. Allen's size and arm talent are prototypical for early first-round picks, but it's rare to find a quarterback with such a low college completion rate become a successful pro. Allen's receivers struggled to separate, but there were plenty of times where his lack of anticipation and post-snap plan did him in. Allen can make some truly special throws, but his ability to improve the mental part of his game will determine whether he's a good NFL starter or just another big, strong-armed guy."
You say tomato, I say toe-ma-toe. You say boom-ato, I say bust-ato.
We'll know in about 6 weeks Cal. He's going to have to do a lot of convincing at his pro day and private workout to change some minds about being a top 10 pick. I didn't write this, but I sure agree with nfl.com's rating.
"Likely be the biggest boom-or-bust quarterback prospect in the draft. Allen's size and arm talent are prototypical for early first-round picks, but it's rare to find a quarterback with such a low college completion rate become a successful pro. Allen's receivers struggled to separate, but there were plenty of times where his lack of anticipation and post-snap plan did him in. Allen can make some truly special throws, but his ability to improve the mental part of his game will determine whether he's a good NFL starter or just another big, strong-armed guy."
You say tomato, I say toe-ma-toe. You say boom-ato, I say bust-ato.
The problem I have with Allen is his demeanor... Hes too "nice"... I just dont see anything masculine about him.. He comes off as wimpy.... We need a masculine leader..not a pussy cat... I'll pass...
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Just saying if he's so wonderful seems like Buffalo would have decided to spend some of their draft picks on building a team around him. They were pretty happy to be shed of him.
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Yes, so....what is your point? He was good enough to take the Bills to the playoffs last year. And they had gone longer than the Browns without making the playoffs. Taylor is not the QB of the future for this team. He is the bridge QB. Who else do you think would have been far better at that job?
The only other candidates I see out there were Josh McCown or Sam Bradford. Cousin? No...wants long term. McCarron? No...wants long term...and any guy Hue was slobbering over, quite frankly, is a guy I don't really want. Keenum...also wants long term.
Ryan Fitzpatrick? Beyond the fact that he is Irish....how would he have been better than Taylor?
Who would your preferred candidate have been?
Yes, so....what is your point? He was good enough to take the Bills to the playoffs last year. And they had gone longer than the Browns without making the playoffs. Taylor is not the QB of the future for this team. He is the bridge QB. Who else do you think would have been far better at that job?
The only other candidates I see out there were Josh McCown or Sam Bradford. Cousin? No...wants long term. McCarron? No...wants long term...and any guy Hue was slobbering over, quite frankly, is a guy I don't really want. Keenum...also wants long term.
Ryan Fitzpatrick? Beyond the fact that he is Irish....how would he have been better than Taylor?
Who would your preferred candidate have been?
Let's see, let me think... Anybody that didn't cost a draft pick?
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Then why call him Black Tarkenton? You don't have to be a Glommie knob Gobbler.....come up with your own creative Schtick.
And why would he not last 6 games? Again, he was good enough to take a team to the playoffs last year. Do you predict injury....or do you predict that whatever rookie we draft will show such quality that he will be inserted after 6 games?
I believe one or the other will happen of course depending on who we select at QB.. And how well he can digest a playbook.. Again.. if he keeps running around back there (TT).. He's gonna get nailed in our division wich is pretty damn physical when your facing the likes of the Ravens,Stools and Bungles on D... That's a load...
I believe one or the other will happen of course depending on who we select at QB.. And how well he can digest a playbook.. Again.. if he keeps running around back there (TT).. He's gonna get nailed in our division wich is pretty damn physical when your facing the likes of the Ravens,Stools and Bungles on D... That's a load...
No....not really. The Steelers and Bengals defenses are nowhere close to what they used to be. And the Ravens defense primarily relied on an 80 year old DE...Terrell Suggs.
I don't think the defenses he will play against in this division are any better at all than what he faced in the AFCE.
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Yes, so....what is your point? He was good enough to take the Bills to the playoffs last year. And they had gone longer than the Browns without making the playoffs. Taylor is not the QB of the future for this team. He is the bridge QB. Who else do you think would have been far better at that job?
The only other candidates I see out there were Josh McCown or Sam Bradford. Cousin? No...wants long term. McCarron? No...wants long term...and any guy Hue was slobbering over, quite frankly, is a guy I don't really want. Keenum...also wants long term.
Ryan Fitzpatrick? Beyond the fact that he is Irish....how would he have been better than Taylor?
Who would your preferred candidate have been?
Let's see, let me think... Anybody that didn't cost a draft pick?
WSS
Let's see, let me think... Anybody that didn't cost a draft pick?
WSS
I am not bothered so much by that. But I understand. And, the truth is, that deal may not have been made if we had not had 5 picks in the first two rounds.
On the other hand, it may be possible that the Browns were getting vibes that none of the QBs out there that they may have wanted who were FAs would want to come to the Browns:
Cousins: wanted a winner. McCarron wanted to become a #1...not be a bridge guy. And maybe Josh McCown told the Browns he no longer wanted anything to do with them (or maybe with Hue) Can you blame him? Maybe Bradford had other potential bidders for him....like Arizona or some such, that he would have preferred. So....the Browns, having already expressed an interest in Taylor, thought it the better part of valor to use one of the multiplicity of picks on a guy that could likely do OK for some time. At least one year, maybe more.
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Maybe?
Maybe not.
WSS
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One read wonder... maybe a little more at times but not seeing the value or much of an upgrade over kizer
Edit: unless Haley plans to supplement with more designed QB runs, RPO and option
First, if Allen can learn how to play QB in a year, I'll kiss his butt on the 50... word is the kid embarrassed himself in his Combine whiteboard sessions.
One read wonder... maybe a little more at times but not seeing the value or much of an upgrade over kizer
Edit: unless Haley plans to supplement with more designed QB runs, RPO and option
I think Taylor's an upgrade and the best available option we had once Dorsey got skunked on Alex Smith. Best Option? Yeah since we are still not attracting A-list, or even B-list FAs. Bills took full advantage of this as well.
I agree that this sends a sign that we are heading in a direction other than Rosen. With TT and Hogan in hand, a pure pocket passer does not seem to be in the cards. I think that means Mayfield, but I fear it means Darnold is in the mix as well.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
First, if Allen can learn how to play QB in a year, I'll kiss his butt on the 50... word is the kid embarrassed himself in his Combine whiteboard sessions.
One read wonder... maybe a little more at times but not seeing the value or much of an upgrade over kizer
Edit: unless Haley plans to supplement with more designed QB runs, RPO and option
I think Taylor's an upgrade and the best available option we had once Dorsey got skunked on Alex Smith. Best Option? Yeah since we are still not attracting A-list, or even B-list FAs. Bills took full advantage of this as well.
I agree that this sends a sign that we are heading in a direction other than Rosen. With TT and Hogan in hand, a pure pocket passer does not seem to be in the cards. I think that means Mayfield, but I fear it means Darnold is in the mix as well.
First, if Allen can learn how to play QB in a year, I'll kiss his butt on the 50... word is the kid embarrassed himself in his Combine whiteboard sessions.
I think Taylor's an upgrade and the best available option we had once Dorsey got skunked on Alex Smith. Best Option? Yeah since we are still not attracting A-list, or even B-list FAs. Bills took full advantage of this as well.
I agree that this sends a sign that we are heading in a direction other than Rosen. With TT and Hogan in hand, a pure pocket passer does not seem to be in the cards. I think that means Mayfield, but I fear it means Darnold is in the mix as well.
Well unless they want Landry to languish in catch rate purgatory, they'd best draft, and in time, start a QB comfortable throwing over the middle. Sure as hell ain't Tyrod or Mayfield.
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First, if Allen can learn how to play QB in a year, I'll kiss his butt on the 50... word is the kid embarrassed himself in his Combine whiteboard sessions.
One read wonder... maybe a little more at times but not seeing the value or much of an upgrade over kizer
Edit: unless Haley plans to supplement with more designed QB runs, RPO and option
I think Taylor's an upgrade and the best available option we had once Dorsey got skunked on Alex Smith. Best Option? Yeah since we are still not attracting A-list, or even B-list FAs. Bills took full advantage of this as well.
I agree that this sends a sign that we are heading in a direction other than Rosen. With TT and Hogan in hand, a pure pocket passer does not seem to be in the cards. I think that means Mayfield, but I fear it means Darnold is in the mix as well.
First, if Allen can learn how to play QB in a year, I'll kiss his butt on the 50... word is the kid embarrassed himself in his Combine whiteboard sessions.
I think Taylor's an upgrade and the best available option we had once Dorsey got skunked on Alex Smith. Best Option? Yeah since we are still not attracting A-list, or even B-list FAs. Bills took full advantage of this as well.
I agree that this sends a sign that we are heading in a direction other than Rosen. With TT and Hogan in hand, a pure pocket passer does not seem to be in the cards. I think that means Mayfield, but I fear it means Darnold is in the mix as well.
What is your apprehension about Darnold? I know his mechanics are junk but I didn’t know if that was a correctable issue. Rosen’s concussions sketch me out and Mayfield seems like just another Big 12 QB.
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First, if Allen can learn how to play QB in a year, I'll kiss his butt on the 50... word is the kid embarrassed himself in his Combine whiteboard sessions.
I think Taylor's an upgrade and the best available option we had once Dorsey got skunked on Alex Smith. Best Option? Yeah since we are still not attracting A-list, or even B-list FAs. Bills took full advantage of this as well.
I agree that this sends a sign that we are heading in a direction other than Rosen. With TT and Hogan in hand, a pure pocket passer does not seem to be in the cards. I think that means Mayfield, but I fear it means Darnold is in the mix as well.
What is your apprehension about Darnold? I know his mechanics are junk but I didn’t know if that was a correctable issue. Rosen’s concussions sketch me out and Mayfield seems like just another Big 12 QB.
What is your apprehension about Darnold? I know his mechanics are junk but I didn’t know if that was a correctable issue. Rosen’s concussions sketch me out and Mayfield seems like just another Big 12 QB.
It's his mechanics... and his inability to read a D... and his one-and-done look, not open? then bail! approach to QB. Did I mention his fumbling?
I see too much to correct mechanically to get to the floor of two other top prospects... and a couple lesser ones. And I am not even considering a change to his elongated throwing motion which actually, ala Kizer, could be the simplest fix.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
First, if Allen can learn how to play QB in a year, I'll kiss his butt on the 50... word is the kid embarrassed himself in his Combine whiteboard sessions.
One read wonder... maybe a little more at times but not seeing the value or much of an upgrade over kizer
Edit: unless Haley plans to supplement with more designed QB runs, RPO and option
I think Taylor's an upgrade and the best available option we had once Dorsey got skunked on Alex Smith. Best Option? Yeah since we are still not attracting A-list, or even B-list FAs. Bills took full advantage of this as well.
I agree that this sends a sign that we are heading in a direction other than Rosen. With TT and Hogan in hand, a pure pocket passer does not seem to be in the cards. I think that means Mayfield, but I fear it means Darnold is in the mix as well.
First, if Allen can learn how to play QB in a year, I'll kiss his butt on the 50... word is the kid embarrassed himself in his Combine whiteboard sessions.
I think Taylor's an upgrade and the best available option we had once Dorsey got skunked on Alex Smith. Best Option? Yeah since we are still not attracting A-list, or even B-list FAs. Bills took full advantage of this as well.
I agree that this sends a sign that we are heading in a direction other than Rosen. With TT and Hogan in hand, a pure pocket passer does not seem to be in the cards. I think that means Mayfield, but I fear it means Darnold is in the mix as well.
But Landry was sure as hell an "A list" trade Tour.
MHO - we're not yet in the position to go after "A" list FA's- that comes when we're "a player away". Would I like a guy like Suh on the Browns? Hell yes- but we're not ready to blow the 25% of the cap on one guy. It's why I was adamant- even though we had the money, to not go after Kirk Cousins.
Regarding Allen- you, me, and Ag are seeing eye to eye on the "other" Josh- meaning Allen. If you have reservations about Darnold- then give me Mayfield at #1, Chubb at #4, and don't look back. If you saw Baker's white board with Mooch- he killed it- smart kid. Go Redskins and take White or Benkert later on.
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First, if Allen can learn how to play QB in a year, I'll kiss his butt on the 50... word is the kid embarrassed himself in his Combine whiteboard sessions.
I think Taylor's an upgrade and the best available option we had once Dorsey got skunked on Alex Smith. Best Option? Yeah since we are still not attracting A-list, or even B-list FAs. Bills took full advantage of this as well.
I agree that this sends a sign that we are heading in a direction other than Rosen. With TT and Hogan in hand, a pure pocket passer does not seem to be in the cards. I think that means Mayfield, but I fear it means Darnold is in the mix as well.
But Landry was sure as hell an "A list" trade Tour.
MHO - we're not yet in the position to go after "A" list FA's- that comes when we're "a player away". Would I like a guy like Suh on the Browns? Hell yes- but we're not ready to blow the 25% of the cap on one guy. It's why I was adamant- even though we had the money, to not go after Kirk Cousins.
Regarding Allen- you, me, and Ag are seeing eye to eye on the "other" Josh- meaning Allen. If you have reservations about Darnold- then give me Mayfield at #1, Chubb at #4, and don't look back. If you saw Baker's white board with Mooch- he killed it- smart kid. Go Redskins and take White or Benkert later on.
But Landry was sure as hell an "A list" trade Tour.
MHO - we're not yet in the position to go after "A" list FA's- that comes when we're "a player away". Would I like a guy like Suh on the Browns? Hell yes- but we're not ready to blow the 25% of the cap on one guy. It's why I was adamant- even though we had the money, to not go after Kirk Cousins.
Regarding Allen- you, me, and Ag are seeing eye to eye on the "other" Josh- meaning Allen. If you have reservations about Darnold- then give me Mayfield at #1, Chubb at #4, and don't look back. If you saw Baker's white board with Mooch- he killed it- smart kid. Go Redskins and take White or Benkert later on.
There's a difference between taking a test on paper and applying that at full speed, under 4 seconds with the greatest athletes on Earth bearing down on you. Mayfield has been a 'primary target' QB most of his career.
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But Landry was sure as hell an "A list" trade Tour.
MHO - we're not yet in the position to go after "A" list FA's- that comes when we're "a player away". Would I like a guy like Suh on the Browns? Hell yes- but we're not ready to blow the 25% of the cap on one guy. It's why I was adamant- even though we had the money, to not go after Kirk Cousins.
Regarding Allen- you, me, and Ag are seeing eye to eye on the "other" Josh- meaning Allen. If you have reservations about Darnold- then give me Mayfield at #1, Chubb at #4, and don't look back. If you saw Baker's white board with Mooch- he killed it- smart kid. Go Redskins and take White or Benkert later on.
There's a difference between taking a test on paper and applying that at full speed, under 4 seconds with the greatest athletes on Earth bearing down on you. Mayfield has been a 'primary target' QB most of his career.
There's a difference between taking a test on paper and applying that at full speed, under 4 seconds with the greatest athletes on Earth bearing down on you. Mayfield has been a 'primary target' QB most of his career.
This is pretty good analysis of Rosen's good and bad throws in a game.
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There's a difference between taking a test on paper and applying that at full speed, under 4 seconds with the greatest athletes on Earth bearing down on you. Mayfield has been a 'primary target' QB most of his career.
This is pretty good analysis of Rosen's good and bad throws in a game.
This is pretty good analysis of Rosen's good and bad throws in a game.
I've watched every game of his this season. Still needs to work on pacing his throws vs a zone defender a little better and at times sticks to his first read a little too soon and a little too long.
Beyond that, he's still my #1 QB this draft.
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This is pretty good analysis of Rosen's good and bad throws in a game.
I've watched every game of his this season. Still needs to work on pacing his throws vs a zone defender a little better and at times sticks to his first read a little too soon and a little too long.
Beyond that, he's still my #1 QB this draft.
I've watched every game of his this season. Still needs to work on pacing his throws vs a zone defender a little better and at times sticks to his first read a little too soon and a little too long.
Beyond that, he's still my #1 QB this draft.
Add the fact that hes the smartest one and seemed to blow everyone else away on the whiteboard drills and interviews... hes the guy
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Wow. Love you guys FR
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I've watched every game of his this season. Still needs to work on pacing his throws vs a zone defender a little better and at times sticks to his first read a little too soon and a little too long.
Beyond that, he's still my #1 QB this draft.
Add the fact that hes the smartest one and seemed to blow everyone else away on the whiteboard drills and interviews... hes the guy
Add the fact that hes the smartest one and seemed to blow everyone else away on the whiteboard drills and interviews... hes the guy
That cannot be discounted. The best ones are also the smartest ones and the GMs pick up on that right away in the interview rooms.
BTW anyone found the Wonderlic scores on these guys?
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