Tyrod Taylor A Brown
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Just saying if he's so wonderful seems like Buffalo would have decided to spend some of their draft picks on building a team around him. They were pretty happy to be shed of him.
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Yes, so....what is your point? He was good enough to take the Bills to the playoffs last year. And they had gone longer than the Browns without making the playoffs. Taylor is not the QB of the future for this team. He is the bridge QB. Who else do you think would have been far better at that job?
The only other candidates I see out there were Josh McCown or Sam Bradford. Cousin? No...wants long term. McCarron? No...wants long term...and any guy Hue was slobbering over, quite frankly, is a guy I don't really want. Keenum...also wants long term.
Ryan Fitzpatrick? Beyond the fact that he is Irish....how would he have been better than Taylor?
Who would your preferred candidate have been?
Yes, so....what is your point? He was good enough to take the Bills to the playoffs last year. And they had gone longer than the Browns without making the playoffs. Taylor is not the QB of the future for this team. He is the bridge QB. Who else do you think would have been far better at that job?
The only other candidates I see out there were Josh McCown or Sam Bradford. Cousin? No...wants long term. McCarron? No...wants long term...and any guy Hue was slobbering over, quite frankly, is a guy I don't really want. Keenum...also wants long term.
Ryan Fitzpatrick? Beyond the fact that he is Irish....how would he have been better than Taylor?
Who would your preferred candidate have been?
Let's see, let me think... Anybody that didn't cost a draft pick?
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Then why call him Black Tarkenton? You don't have to be a Glommie knob Gobbler.....come up with your own creative Schtick.
And why would he not last 6 games? Again, he was good enough to take a team to the playoffs last year. Do you predict injury....or do you predict that whatever rookie we draft will show such quality that he will be inserted after 6 games?
I believe one or the other will happen of course depending on who we select at QB.. And how well he can digest a playbook.. Again.. if he keeps running around back there (TT).. He's gonna get nailed in our division wich is pretty damn physical when your facing the likes of the Ravens,Stools and Bungles on D... That's a load...
I believe one or the other will happen of course depending on who we select at QB.. And how well he can digest a playbook.. Again.. if he keeps running around back there (TT).. He's gonna get nailed in our division wich is pretty damn physical when your facing the likes of the Ravens,Stools and Bungles on D... That's a load...
No....not really. The Steelers and Bengals defenses are nowhere close to what they used to be. And the Ravens defense primarily relied on an 80 year old DE...Terrell Suggs.
I don't think the defenses he will play against in this division are any better at all than what he faced in the AFCE.
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Yes, so....what is your point? He was good enough to take the Bills to the playoffs last year. And they had gone longer than the Browns without making the playoffs. Taylor is not the QB of the future for this team. He is the bridge QB. Who else do you think would have been far better at that job?
The only other candidates I see out there were Josh McCown or Sam Bradford. Cousin? No...wants long term. McCarron? No...wants long term...and any guy Hue was slobbering over, quite frankly, is a guy I don't really want. Keenum...also wants long term.
Ryan Fitzpatrick? Beyond the fact that he is Irish....how would he have been better than Taylor?
Who would your preferred candidate have been?
Let's see, let me think... Anybody that didn't cost a draft pick?
WSS
Let's see, let me think... Anybody that didn't cost a draft pick?
WSS
I am not bothered so much by that. But I understand. And, the truth is, that deal may not have been made if we had not had 5 picks in the first two rounds.
On the other hand, it may be possible that the Browns were getting vibes that none of the QBs out there that they may have wanted who were FAs would want to come to the Browns:
Cousins: wanted a winner. McCarron wanted to become a #1...not be a bridge guy. And maybe Josh McCown told the Browns he no longer wanted anything to do with them (or maybe with Hue) Can you blame him? Maybe Bradford had other potential bidders for him....like Arizona or some such, that he would have preferred. So....the Browns, having already expressed an interest in Taylor, thought it the better part of valor to use one of the multiplicity of picks on a guy that could likely do OK for some time. At least one year, maybe more.
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Maybe?
Maybe not.
WSS
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One read wonder... maybe a little more at times but not seeing the value or much of an upgrade over kizer
Edit: unless Haley plans to supplement with more designed QB runs, RPO and option
First, if Allen can learn how to play QB in a year, I'll kiss his butt on the 50... word is the kid embarrassed himself in his Combine whiteboard sessions.
One read wonder... maybe a little more at times but not seeing the value or much of an upgrade over kizer
Edit: unless Haley plans to supplement with more designed QB runs, RPO and option
I think Taylor's an upgrade and the best available option we had once Dorsey got skunked on Alex Smith. Best Option? Yeah since we are still not attracting A-list, or even B-list FAs. Bills took full advantage of this as well.
I agree that this sends a sign that we are heading in a direction other than Rosen. With TT and Hogan in hand, a pure pocket passer does not seem to be in the cards. I think that means Mayfield, but I fear it means Darnold is in the mix as well.
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First, if Allen can learn how to play QB in a year, I'll kiss his butt on the 50... word is the kid embarrassed himself in his Combine whiteboard sessions.
One read wonder... maybe a little more at times but not seeing the value or much of an upgrade over kizer
Edit: unless Haley plans to supplement with more designed QB runs, RPO and option
I think Taylor's an upgrade and the best available option we had once Dorsey got skunked on Alex Smith. Best Option? Yeah since we are still not attracting A-list, or even B-list FAs. Bills took full advantage of this as well.
I agree that this sends a sign that we are heading in a direction other than Rosen. With TT and Hogan in hand, a pure pocket passer does not seem to be in the cards. I think that means Mayfield, but I fear it means Darnold is in the mix as well.
First, if Allen can learn how to play QB in a year, I'll kiss his butt on the 50... word is the kid embarrassed himself in his Combine whiteboard sessions.
I think Taylor's an upgrade and the best available option we had once Dorsey got skunked on Alex Smith. Best Option? Yeah since we are still not attracting A-list, or even B-list FAs. Bills took full advantage of this as well.
I agree that this sends a sign that we are heading in a direction other than Rosen. With TT and Hogan in hand, a pure pocket passer does not seem to be in the cards. I think that means Mayfield, but I fear it means Darnold is in the mix as well.
Well unless they want Landry to languish in catch rate purgatory, they'd best draft, and in time, start a QB comfortable throwing over the middle. Sure as hell ain't Tyrod or Mayfield.
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First, if Allen can learn how to play QB in a year, I'll kiss his butt on the 50... word is the kid embarrassed himself in his Combine whiteboard sessions.
One read wonder... maybe a little more at times but not seeing the value or much of an upgrade over kizer
Edit: unless Haley plans to supplement with more designed QB runs, RPO and option
I think Taylor's an upgrade and the best available option we had once Dorsey got skunked on Alex Smith. Best Option? Yeah since we are still not attracting A-list, or even B-list FAs. Bills took full advantage of this as well.
I agree that this sends a sign that we are heading in a direction other than Rosen. With TT and Hogan in hand, a pure pocket passer does not seem to be in the cards. I think that means Mayfield, but I fear it means Darnold is in the mix as well.
First, if Allen can learn how to play QB in a year, I'll kiss his butt on the 50... word is the kid embarrassed himself in his Combine whiteboard sessions.
I think Taylor's an upgrade and the best available option we had once Dorsey got skunked on Alex Smith. Best Option? Yeah since we are still not attracting A-list, or even B-list FAs. Bills took full advantage of this as well.
I agree that this sends a sign that we are heading in a direction other than Rosen. With TT and Hogan in hand, a pure pocket passer does not seem to be in the cards. I think that means Mayfield, but I fear it means Darnold is in the mix as well.
What is your apprehension about Darnold? I know his mechanics are junk but I didn’t know if that was a correctable issue. Rosen’s concussions sketch me out and Mayfield seems like just another Big 12 QB.
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First, if Allen can learn how to play QB in a year, I'll kiss his butt on the 50... word is the kid embarrassed himself in his Combine whiteboard sessions.
I think Taylor's an upgrade and the best available option we had once Dorsey got skunked on Alex Smith. Best Option? Yeah since we are still not attracting A-list, or even B-list FAs. Bills took full advantage of this as well.
I agree that this sends a sign that we are heading in a direction other than Rosen. With TT and Hogan in hand, a pure pocket passer does not seem to be in the cards. I think that means Mayfield, but I fear it means Darnold is in the mix as well.
What is your apprehension about Darnold? I know his mechanics are junk but I didn’t know if that was a correctable issue. Rosen’s concussions sketch me out and Mayfield seems like just another Big 12 QB.
What is your apprehension about Darnold? I know his mechanics are junk but I didn’t know if that was a correctable issue. Rosen’s concussions sketch me out and Mayfield seems like just another Big 12 QB.
It's his mechanics... and his inability to read a D... and his one-and-done look, not open? then bail! approach to QB. Did I mention his fumbling?
I see too much to correct mechanically to get to the floor of two other top prospects... and a couple lesser ones. And I am not even considering a change to his elongated throwing motion which actually, ala Kizer, could be the simplest fix.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
First, if Allen can learn how to play QB in a year, I'll kiss his butt on the 50... word is the kid embarrassed himself in his Combine whiteboard sessions.
One read wonder... maybe a little more at times but not seeing the value or much of an upgrade over kizer
Edit: unless Haley plans to supplement with more designed QB runs, RPO and option
I think Taylor's an upgrade and the best available option we had once Dorsey got skunked on Alex Smith. Best Option? Yeah since we are still not attracting A-list, or even B-list FAs. Bills took full advantage of this as well.
I agree that this sends a sign that we are heading in a direction other than Rosen. With TT and Hogan in hand, a pure pocket passer does not seem to be in the cards. I think that means Mayfield, but I fear it means Darnold is in the mix as well.
First, if Allen can learn how to play QB in a year, I'll kiss his butt on the 50... word is the kid embarrassed himself in his Combine whiteboard sessions.
I think Taylor's an upgrade and the best available option we had once Dorsey got skunked on Alex Smith. Best Option? Yeah since we are still not attracting A-list, or even B-list FAs. Bills took full advantage of this as well.
I agree that this sends a sign that we are heading in a direction other than Rosen. With TT and Hogan in hand, a pure pocket passer does not seem to be in the cards. I think that means Mayfield, but I fear it means Darnold is in the mix as well.
But Landry was sure as hell an "A list" trade Tour.
MHO - we're not yet in the position to go after "A" list FA's- that comes when we're "a player away". Would I like a guy like Suh on the Browns? Hell yes- but we're not ready to blow the 25% of the cap on one guy. It's why I was adamant- even though we had the money, to not go after Kirk Cousins.
Regarding Allen- you, me, and Ag are seeing eye to eye on the "other" Josh- meaning Allen. If you have reservations about Darnold- then give me Mayfield at #1, Chubb at #4, and don't look back. If you saw Baker's white board with Mooch- he killed it- smart kid. Go Redskins and take White or Benkert later on.
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First, if Allen can learn how to play QB in a year, I'll kiss his butt on the 50... word is the kid embarrassed himself in his Combine whiteboard sessions.
I think Taylor's an upgrade and the best available option we had once Dorsey got skunked on Alex Smith. Best Option? Yeah since we are still not attracting A-list, or even B-list FAs. Bills took full advantage of this as well.
I agree that this sends a sign that we are heading in a direction other than Rosen. With TT and Hogan in hand, a pure pocket passer does not seem to be in the cards. I think that means Mayfield, but I fear it means Darnold is in the mix as well.
But Landry was sure as hell an "A list" trade Tour.
MHO - we're not yet in the position to go after "A" list FA's- that comes when we're "a player away". Would I like a guy like Suh on the Browns? Hell yes- but we're not ready to blow the 25% of the cap on one guy. It's why I was adamant- even though we had the money, to not go after Kirk Cousins.
Regarding Allen- you, me, and Ag are seeing eye to eye on the "other" Josh- meaning Allen. If you have reservations about Darnold- then give me Mayfield at #1, Chubb at #4, and don't look back. If you saw Baker's white board with Mooch- he killed it- smart kid. Go Redskins and take White or Benkert later on.
But Landry was sure as hell an "A list" trade Tour.
MHO - we're not yet in the position to go after "A" list FA's- that comes when we're "a player away". Would I like a guy like Suh on the Browns? Hell yes- but we're not ready to blow the 25% of the cap on one guy. It's why I was adamant- even though we had the money, to not go after Kirk Cousins.
Regarding Allen- you, me, and Ag are seeing eye to eye on the "other" Josh- meaning Allen. If you have reservations about Darnold- then give me Mayfield at #1, Chubb at #4, and don't look back. If you saw Baker's white board with Mooch- he killed it- smart kid. Go Redskins and take White or Benkert later on.
There's a difference between taking a test on paper and applying that at full speed, under 4 seconds with the greatest athletes on Earth bearing down on you. Mayfield has been a 'primary target' QB most of his career.
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But Landry was sure as hell an "A list" trade Tour.
MHO - we're not yet in the position to go after "A" list FA's- that comes when we're "a player away". Would I like a guy like Suh on the Browns? Hell yes- but we're not ready to blow the 25% of the cap on one guy. It's why I was adamant- even though we had the money, to not go after Kirk Cousins.
Regarding Allen- you, me, and Ag are seeing eye to eye on the "other" Josh- meaning Allen. If you have reservations about Darnold- then give me Mayfield at #1, Chubb at #4, and don't look back. If you saw Baker's white board with Mooch- he killed it- smart kid. Go Redskins and take White or Benkert later on.
There's a difference between taking a test on paper and applying that at full speed, under 4 seconds with the greatest athletes on Earth bearing down on you. Mayfield has been a 'primary target' QB most of his career.
There's a difference between taking a test on paper and applying that at full speed, under 4 seconds with the greatest athletes on Earth bearing down on you. Mayfield has been a 'primary target' QB most of his career.
This is pretty good analysis of Rosen's good and bad throws in a game.
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There's a difference between taking a test on paper and applying that at full speed, under 4 seconds with the greatest athletes on Earth bearing down on you. Mayfield has been a 'primary target' QB most of his career.
This is pretty good analysis of Rosen's good and bad throws in a game.
This is pretty good analysis of Rosen's good and bad throws in a game.
I've watched every game of his this season. Still needs to work on pacing his throws vs a zone defender a little better and at times sticks to his first read a little too soon and a little too long.
Beyond that, he's still my #1 QB this draft.
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This is pretty good analysis of Rosen's good and bad throws in a game.
I've watched every game of his this season. Still needs to work on pacing his throws vs a zone defender a little better and at times sticks to his first read a little too soon and a little too long.
Beyond that, he's still my #1 QB this draft.
I've watched every game of his this season. Still needs to work on pacing his throws vs a zone defender a little better and at times sticks to his first read a little too soon and a little too long.
Beyond that, he's still my #1 QB this draft.
Add the fact that hes the smartest one and seemed to blow everyone else away on the whiteboard drills and interviews... hes the guy
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Wow. Love you guys FR
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I've watched every game of his this season. Still needs to work on pacing his throws vs a zone defender a little better and at times sticks to his first read a little too soon and a little too long.
Beyond that, he's still my #1 QB this draft.
Add the fact that hes the smartest one and seemed to blow everyone else away on the whiteboard drills and interviews... hes the guy
Add the fact that hes the smartest one and seemed to blow everyone else away on the whiteboard drills and interviews... hes the guy
That cannot be discounted. The best ones are also the smartest ones and the GMs pick up on that right away in the interview rooms.
BTW anyone found the Wonderlic scores on these guys?
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What is your apprehension about Darnold? I know his mechanics are junk but I didn’t know if that was a correctable issue. Rosen’s concussions sketch me out and Mayfield seems like just another Big 12 QB.
It's his mechanics... and his inability to read a D... and his one-and-done look, not open? then bail! approach to QB. Did I mention his fumbling?
I see too much to correct mechanically to get to the floor of two other top prospects... and a couple lesser ones. And I am not even considering a change to his elongated throwing motion which actually, ala Kizer, could be the simplest fix.
It's his mechanics... and his inability to read a D... and his one-and-done look, not open? then bail! approach to QB. Did I mention his fumbling?
I see too much to correct mechanically to get to the floor of two other top prospects... and a couple lesser ones. And I am not even considering a change to his elongated throwing motion which actually, ala Kizer, could be the simplest fix.
Thanks. I trust your take on player because I know you have taken the time to analyze things. As an aside, what is your take on Lamar Jackson?
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First, if Allen can learn how to play QB in a year, I'll kiss his butt on the 50... word is the kid embarrassed himself in his Combine whiteboard sessions.
I think Taylor's an upgrade and the best available option we had once Dorsey got skunked on Alex Smith. Best Option? Yeah since we are still not attracting A-list, or even B-list FAs. Bills took full advantage of this as well.
I agree that this sends a sign that we are heading in a direction other than Rosen. With TT and Hogan in hand, a pure pocket passer does not seem to be in the cards. I think that means Mayfield, but I fear it means Darnold is in the mix as well.
But Landry was sure as hell an "A list" trade Tour.
MHO - we're not yet in the position to go after "A" list FA's- that comes when we're "a player away". Would I like a guy like Suh on the Browns? Hell yes- but we're not ready to blow the 25% of the cap on one guy. It's why I was adamant- even though we had the money, to not go after Kirk Cousins.
Regarding Allen- you, me, and Ag are seeing eye to eye on the "other" Josh- meaning Allen. If you have reservations about Darnold- then give me Mayfield at #1, Chubb at #4, and don't look back. If you saw Baker's white board with Mooch- he killed it- smart kid. Go Redskins and take White or Benkert later on.
But Landry was sure as hell an "A list" trade Tour.
So a 4th plus a 7th is the going A-list price?
Thanks. I trust your take on player because I know you have taken the time to analyze things. As an aside, what is your take on Lamar Jackson?
Thanks... One of the reasons I was away for a month was to do some player work.
On Jackson... talented kid, but not going to be my QB because he's a running QB. While the tools are all there I don't think Louisville did him any favors... just rode him hard and put him up wet. I mean the kid ran for over 4000 yd in basically 2-1/2 seasons. I really liked his spark as a true Frosh, but did not see a QB develop through his next two seasons. He did become a better passer, but he did not become a better QB.
I don't have the same fragility concerns I had with RG3 and Teddy B. Lamar is stouter... more Vick-like physically. While Vick is a comparison I try to avoid I think they are similar physique-wise. Unfortunately as we saw with Vick that only means it'll take longer for the league to grind Jackson down, a process Louisville began a couple years ago.
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This really just pissed all over my Landry joy. Talk about underwhelming!! I sure hope its a our 3rd string option. Id have gladly brought McCown back over Taylor. The 65th pick>?!>!>!>!>!>!?! OMG stupid as hell.
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Personally, I think TT was the best option of the FA bunch. Yes, it cost the browns #65 but in the grand scheme of things, the browns were going to trade away draft picks either way because 12 are way too many. In doing so, they got a 28 year old qb who has been at worst, a very solid nfl qb. Compared to the other FA's lets take a look:
Cousins: $84 million guaranteed at 28/yr. too much money IMOP
Keenum: $36 million with over 24 guaranteed for a guy whom has had one good year at the age of 30 with a team that was as dominant as any team in the league
Bradford: $20 million guaranteed for one year for a guy who can't stay healthy with a degenerative knee
Teddy B: $3 million guaranteed but IMOP I would stay as far away as possible from a guy whom had his knee injury
McCown: $10 million guaranteed on a 1 year deal. he's probably the best "bridge" qb and part time coach on the market. The browns should have kept him last year for Kizer. He enjoyed NY and I don't think the browns were going to give him that kind of money
McCarron: $10 million deal but I believe only 6 guaranteed. He never wanted to be a bridge and probably was not going to play nice in the sandbox. Dorsey made a power play over Hue.
Taylor: $16 million on a 1 year deal for a guy who just led his team to the playoffs for the first time in 20 years. Outside of Keenum, the only one on this list. Taylor may not want to be a "bridge" either, but he also has tape to prove what he can do unlike McCarron. He knows he needs to go out and win and play well or he will forever be a back-up qb in this league. this is his prove it deal. I would not be surprised to see the browns renegotiate his contract to a 2 or 3 year deal.
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Personally, I think TT was the best option of the FA bunch. Yes, it cost the browns #65 but in the grand scheme of things, the browns were going to trade away draft picks either way because 12 are way too many. In doing so, they got a 28 year old qb who has been at worst, a very solid nfl qb. Compared to the other FA's lets take a look:
Cousins: $84 million guaranteed at 28/yr. too much money IMOP
Keenum: $36 million with over 24 guaranteed for a guy whom has had one good year at the age of 30 with a team that was as dominant as any team in the league
Bradford: $20 million guaranteed for one year for a guy who can't stay healthy with a degenerative knee
Teddy B: $3 million guaranteed but IMOP I would stay as far away as possible from a guy whom had his knee injury
McCown: $10 million guaranteed on a 1 year deal. he's probably the best "bridge" qb and part time coach on the market. The browns should have kept him last year for Kizer. He enjoyed NY and I don't think the browns were going to give him that kind of money
McCarron: $10 million deal but I believe only 6 guaranteed. He never wanted to be a bridge and probably was not going to play nice in the sandbox. Dorsey made a power play over Hue.
Taylor: $16 million on a 1 year deal for a guy who just led his team to the playoffs for the first time in 20 years. Outside of Keenum, the only one on this list. Taylor may not want to be a "bridge" either, but he also has tape to prove what he can do unlike McCarron. He knows he needs to go out and win and play well or he will forever be a back-up qb in this league. this is his prove it deal. I would not be surprised to see the browns renegotiate his contract to a 2 or 3 year deal.
Personally, I think TT was the best option of the FA bunch. Yes, it cost the browns #65 but in the grand scheme of things, the browns were going to trade away draft picks either way because 12 are way too many. In doing so, they got a 28 year old qb who has been at worst, a very solid nfl qb. Compared to the other FA's lets take a look:
Cousins: $84 million guaranteed at 28/yr. too much money IMOP
Keenum: $36 million with over 24 guaranteed for a guy whom has had one good year at the age of 30 with a team that was as dominant as any team in the league
Bradford: $20 million guaranteed for one year for a guy who can't stay healthy with a degenerative knee
Teddy B: $3 million guaranteed but IMOP I would stay as far away as possible from a guy whom had his knee injury
McCown: $10 million guaranteed on a 1 year deal. he's probably the best "bridge" qb and part time coach on the market. The browns should have kept him last year for Kizer. He enjoyed NY and I don't think the browns were going to give him that kind of money
McCarron: $10 million deal but I believe only 6 guaranteed. He never wanted to be a bridge and probably was not going to play nice in the sandbox. Dorsey made a power play over Hue.
Taylor: $16 million on a 1 year deal for a guy who just led his team to the playoffs for the first time in 20 years. Outside of Keenum, the only one on this list. Taylor may not want to be a "bridge" either, but he also has tape to prove what he can do unlike McCarron. He knows he needs to go out and win and play well or he will forever be a back-up qb in this league. this is his prove it deal. I would not be surprised to see the browns renegotiate his contract to a 2 or 3 year deal.
Which still begs the question if Buffalo is sitting on a sure thing why they would they dump the guy? I'm sure they could have easily had some more Firepower to his Arsenal if he's a franchise QB? Must be some reason they Must be some reason they thought of him as a stumbling block.
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