Greg Cosell Breaks Down Top 2018 QBs
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You coming around to the potential of Rosen yet?
I've always had Rosen in my top 3. To have him as our #1 in the draft? It's going to seriously depend how much weight Dorsey & Company put on his injury history. Those two concussions scare me. Josh is also the least mobile compared to Darnold and Mayfield- he's going to get hit a lot in the pros. I've mentioned he has a tennis player build, do we take him at #1 and watch him turn into another Sam Bradford, great when he's healthy- except he never is?
After listening to Cosell, I'm firming up my ranking #1 Mayfield, #2 Darnold, #3 Rosen. Just no to Allen and Jackson.
I've always had Rosen in my top 3. To have him as our #1 in the draft? It's going to seriously depend how much weight Dorsey & Company put on his injury history. Those two concussions scare me. Josh is also the least mobile compared to Darnold and Mayfield- he's going to get hit a lot in the pros. I've mentioned he has a tennis player build, do we take him at #1 and watch him turn into another Sam Bradford, great when he's healthy- except he never is?
After listening to Cosell, I'm firming up my ranking #1 Mayfield, #2 Darnold, #3 Rosen. Just no to Allen and Jackson.
Medicals will be important.
Imo he's mobile enough. It's not like he can't improve pocket mobility/awareness, his combine measurables were similar to Darnold and mayfield. He's plenty athletic. Mayfield and Darnold aren't significantly faster than Rosen. Rosen needs to be less willing to take hits to deliver passes than he was in college.
The pure pocket passers seem to stay on the field more than the mobile ones. I think his game translates better to the NFL then the others.
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Here's a link to a 13 minute video where Nathan Zegura gets Greg Cosell to break down the top rated QBs headed for the 2018 draft from www.clevelandbrowns.com:
I like to hear to what he's looking for in particular. And somewhere around the 12 minute 50 sec mark or so - he reveals who he would take if pressed to do so. If you watch it, I'm interested in hearing what you thought or who you might be interested in (and you can do a 1A and 1B).
You coming around to the potential of Rosen yet?
You coming around to the potential of Rosen yet?
Yes, believe it or not Tom. I thought he did well for himself at the combines. I liked that video you shared with all the nice throws he made that were dropped and the commentary was excellent. I wouldn't have a problem with him at all if our FO came to the conclusion he's the guy.
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You coming around to the potential of Rosen yet?
Yes, believe it or not Tom. I thought he did well for himself at the combines. I liked that video you shared with all the nice throws he made that were dropped and the commentary was excellent. I wouldn't have a problem with him at all if our FO came to the conclusion he's the guy.
Yes, believe it or not Tom. I thought he did well for himself at the combines. I liked that video you shared with all the nice throws he made that were dropped and the commentary was excellent. I wouldn't have a problem with him at all if our FO came to the conclusion he's the guy.
I think so too. I just dread hearing "FROM PENN STATE...." at the #1 spot.
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I've always had Rosen in my top 3. To have him as our #1 in the draft? It's going to seriously depend how much weight Dorsey & Company put on his injury history. Those two concussions scare me. Josh is also the least mobile compared to Darnold and Mayfield- he's going to get hit a lot in the pros. I've mentioned he has a tennis player build, do we take him at #1 and watch him turn into another Sam Bradford, great when he's healthy- except he never is?
After listening to Cosell, I'm firming up my ranking #1 Mayfield, #2 Darnold, #3 Rosen. Just no to Allen and Jackson.
Medicals will be important.
Imo he's mobile enough. It's not like he can't improve pocket mobility/awareness, his combine measurables were similar to Darnold and mayfield. He's plenty athletic. Mayfield and Darnold aren't significantly faster than Rosen. Rosen needs to be less willing to take hits to deliver passes than he was in college.
The pure pocket passers seem to stay on the field more than the mobile ones. I think his game translates better to the NFL then the others.
Medicals will be important.
Imo he's mobile enough. It's not like he can't improve pocket mobility/awareness, his combine measurables were similar to Darnold and mayfield. He's plenty athletic. Mayfield and Darnold aren't significantly faster than Rosen. Rosen needs to be less willing to take hits to deliver passes than he was in college.
The pure pocket passers seem to stay on the field more than the mobile ones. I think his game translates better to the NFL then the others.
All of this is true. Though those concussions concern me. Couple that with Rosen being pretty wise for a young kid. He won’t be the guy turning his brain to paste for the love of the game.
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Medicals will be important.
Imo he's mobile enough. It's not like he can't improve pocket mobility/awareness, his combine measurables were similar to Darnold and mayfield. He's plenty athletic. Mayfield and Darnold aren't significantly faster than Rosen. Rosen needs to be less willing to take hits to deliver passes than he was in college.
The pure pocket passers seem to stay on the field more than the mobile ones. I think his game translates better to the NFL then the others.
All of this is true. Though those concussions concern me. Couple that with Rosen being pretty wise for a young kid. He won’t be the guy turning his brain to paste for the love of the game.
All of this is true. Though those concussions concern me. Couple that with Rosen being pretty wise for a young kid. He won’t be the guy turning his brain to paste for the love of the game.
He's extremely smart. He can figure out how to succeed with his talent, and he can hopefully see the pieces falling into place, and if he's the "Chosen One" who can get them into the playoffs, he'll be established in NFL history as helping to turn this shitshow into a winner, and gets the keys to the city and gets that recognition from everyone about how he did what 25+ other have failed at. It's entirely possible. They gutted the team to make years like this possible. Best case, we get the Cowboys 1-15 type turn around with the #1 QB.
It's set in motion with getting the draft picks correct this year, and getting some big time free agents. They could possible get a QB, a RB, another edge rusher, and another play maker at WR in the first 2 rounds. I'm so pumped for the draft!
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Rosenbum is a cross between Matt Leinart, Matt Barkley and Jay Cutler.
That's the negatives of all three...
best mechanics. pure passer. no way he gets drafted by the Browns. They know better.
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Rosenbum is a cross between Matt Leinart, Matt Barkley and Jay Cutler.
That's the negatives of all three...
best mechanics. pure passer. no way he gets drafted by the Browns. They know better.
Rosenbum is a cross between Matt Leinart, Matt Barkley and Jay Cutler.
That's the negatives of all three...
best mechanics. pure passer. no way he gets drafted by the Browns. They know better.
Yeah, cuz they have a track record of genius moves in the draft. Stellar record thus far, especially at qb. They sure know what they're doing.
That changes this year. If they don't take him, we'll get to see him again and again on the ESPN highlights, and hear about "for some reason the Browns didn't want a top qb again"
An accurate, pro ready qb with a big arm, who hits guys in stride, can read defenses, and play under center.... And has Landry, Gordon, njoku, Duke, and Coleman to throw to.
God forbid! Can't have that!
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Rosenbum is a cross between Matt Leinart, Matt Barkley and Jay Cutler.
That's the negatives of all three...
best mechanics. pure passer. no way he gets drafted by the Browns. They know better.
Yeah, cuz they have a track record of genius moves in the draft. Stellar record thus far, especially at qb. They sure know what they're doing.
That changes this year. If they don't take him, we'll get to see him again and again on the ESPN highlights, and hear about "for some reason the Browns didn't want a top qb again"
An accurate, pro ready qb with a big arm, who hits guys in stride, can read defenses, and play under center.... And has Landry, Gordon, njoku, Duke, and Coleman to throw to.
God forbid! Can't have that!
Yeah, cuz they have a track record of genius moves in the draft. Stellar record thus far, especially at qb. They sure know what they're doing.
That changes this year. If they don't take him, we'll get to see him again and again on the ESPN highlights, and hear about "for some reason the Browns didn't want a top qb again"
An accurate, pro ready qb with a big arm, who hits guys in stride, can read defenses, and play under center.... And has Landry, Gordon, njoku, Duke, and Coleman to throw to.
God forbid! Can't have that!
The concussions last year are my only concern.
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Yeah, cuz they have a track record of genius moves in the draft. Stellar record thus far, especially at qb. They sure know what they're doing.
That changes this year. If they don't take him, we'll get to see him again and again on the ESPN highlights, and hear about "for some reason the Browns didn't want a top qb again"
An accurate, pro ready qb with a big arm, who hits guys in stride, can read defenses, and play under center.... And has Landry, Gordon, njoku, Duke, and Coleman to throw to.
God forbid! Can't have that!
The concussions last year are my only concern.
The concussions last year are my only concern.
Same here.
I wanted Rosen at #1 until I found out about the concussions.
Now, I'm all in on Baker Mayfield at #1.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Same here.
I wanted Rosen at #1 until I found out about the concussions.
Now, I'm all in on Baker Mayfield at #1.
i am heading this way too I think, the Manziel comparisons are ridiculous
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Yeah, cuz they have a track record of genius moves in the draft. Stellar record thus far, especially at qb. They sure know what they're doing.
That changes this year. If they don't take him, we'll get to see him again and again on the ESPN highlights, and hear about "for some reason the Browns didn't want a top qb again"
An accurate, pro ready qb with a big arm, who hits guys in stride, can read defenses, and play under center.... And has Landry, Gordon, njoku, Duke, and Coleman to throw to.
God forbid! Can't have that!
The concussions last year are my only concern.
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Same here.
I wanted Rosen at #1 until I found out about the concussions.
Now, I'm all in on Baker Mayfield at #1.
i am heading this way too I think, the Manziel comparisons are ridiculous
i am heading this way too I think, the Manziel comparisons are ridiculous
It's been pretty well documented the comparisons of Mayfield to Manziel are ridiculous. Sure he's a fiery competitor, and he had the one off field incident. But he's not a barfly like Manziel. a super hard worker instead, smart (if you saw his chalk talk with Marriucci), and the most accurate passer in this draft class. Those "weak arm" arguments have been proven to be BS. I'm seeing the second coming of Drew Brees.
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Well, I believe we are looking at Mayfield or Allen. Allen has a sky high upside, and will have plenty of time to
get his footwork perfected. And, Mayfield will have time to learn the game. All this talk about Mayfield's height -
does anybody not know that Brian Sipe was 6'1", 195 lbs?
Last year, there were 7 games, maybe 8, that they could have won with a field goal or a TD.
flip the talent switch hugely, add a very good OC, and watch the NFL be shocked at the difference.
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Well, I believe we are looking at Mayfield or Allen. Allen has a sky high upside, and will have plenty of time to
get his footwork perfected. And, Mayfield will have time to learn the game. All this talk about Mayfield's height -
does anybody not know that Brian Sipe was 6'1", 195 lbs?
Last year, there were 7 games, maybe 8, that they could have won with a field goal or a TD.
flip the talent switch hugely, add a very good OC, and watch the NFL be shocked at the difference.
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Sipe didn't have guys like JJ watt and Joey bosa and myles Garrett lined up across from him either.
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Sipe didn't have guys like JJ watt and Joey bosa and myles Garrett lined up across from him either.
Sipe didn't have guys like JJ watt and Joey bosa and myles Garrett lined up across from him either.
Sipe retired like 35 years ago.
We aren't going to draft 250lb OLinemen because the Browns won a title in 1964 with them.
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Sipe retired like 35 years ago.
We aren't going to draft 250lb OLinemen because the Browns won a title in 1964 with them.
That's what I'm saying. Different era, it's irrelevant in modern nfl.
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Sipe didn't have guys like JJ watt and Joey bosa and myles Garrett lined up across from him either.
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Well, I believe we are looking at Mayfield or Allen. Allen has a sky high upside, and will have plenty of time to
get his footwork perfected. And, Mayfield will have time to learn the game. All this talk about Mayfield's height -
does anybody not know that Brian Sipe was 6'1", 195 lbs?
Last year, there were 7 games, maybe 8, that they could have won with a field goal or a TD.
flip the talent switch hugely, add a very good OC, and watch the NFL be shocked at the difference.
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yet Russel Wilson is 5'11", 215.
Drew Brees - 6', 209.
Tyrod Taylor – Buffalo Bills – 6'1"
Aaron Rodgers – Green Bay Packers – 6'2"
Brian Hoyer – Houston Texans – 6'2"
Andy Dalton – Cincinnati Bengals – 6'2"
They are still in the NFL, not players from 35 years ago.
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