Greg Cosell Breaks Down Top 2018 QBs
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Rosenbum is a cross between Matt Leinart, Matt Barkley and Jay Cutler.
That's the negatives of all three...
best mechanics. pure passer. no way he gets drafted by the Browns. They know better.
Yeah, cuz they have a track record of genius moves in the draft. Stellar record thus far, especially at qb. They sure know what they're doing.
That changes this year. If they don't take him, we'll get to see him again and again on the ESPN highlights, and hear about "for some reason the Browns didn't want a top qb again"
An accurate, pro ready qb with a big arm, who hits guys in stride, can read defenses, and play under center.... And has Landry, Gordon, njoku, Duke, and Coleman to throw to.
God forbid! Can't have that!
Yeah, cuz they have a track record of genius moves in the draft. Stellar record thus far, especially at qb. They sure know what they're doing.
That changes this year. If they don't take him, we'll get to see him again and again on the ESPN highlights, and hear about "for some reason the Browns didn't want a top qb again"
An accurate, pro ready qb with a big arm, who hits guys in stride, can read defenses, and play under center.... And has Landry, Gordon, njoku, Duke, and Coleman to throw to.
God forbid! Can't have that!
The concussions last year are my only concern.
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Yeah, cuz they have a track record of genius moves in the draft. Stellar record thus far, especially at qb. They sure know what they're doing.
That changes this year. If they don't take him, we'll get to see him again and again on the ESPN highlights, and hear about "for some reason the Browns didn't want a top qb again"
An accurate, pro ready qb with a big arm, who hits guys in stride, can read defenses, and play under center.... And has Landry, Gordon, njoku, Duke, and Coleman to throw to.
God forbid! Can't have that!
The concussions last year are my only concern.
The concussions last year are my only concern.
Same here.
I wanted Rosen at #1 until I found out about the concussions.
Now, I'm all in on Baker Mayfield at #1.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Same here.
I wanted Rosen at #1 until I found out about the concussions.
Now, I'm all in on Baker Mayfield at #1.
i am heading this way too I think, the Manziel comparisons are ridiculous
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Yeah, cuz they have a track record of genius moves in the draft. Stellar record thus far, especially at qb. They sure know what they're doing.
That changes this year. If they don't take him, we'll get to see him again and again on the ESPN highlights, and hear about "for some reason the Browns didn't want a top qb again"
An accurate, pro ready qb with a big arm, who hits guys in stride, can read defenses, and play under center.... And has Landry, Gordon, njoku, Duke, and Coleman to throw to.
God forbid! Can't have that!
The concussions last year are my only concern.
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Same here.
I wanted Rosen at #1 until I found out about the concussions.
Now, I'm all in on Baker Mayfield at #1.
i am heading this way too I think, the Manziel comparisons are ridiculous
i am heading this way too I think, the Manziel comparisons are ridiculous
It's been pretty well documented the comparisons of Mayfield to Manziel are ridiculous. Sure he's a fiery competitor, and he had the one off field incident. But he's not a barfly like Manziel. a super hard worker instead, smart (if you saw his chalk talk with Marriucci), and the most accurate passer in this draft class. Those "weak arm" arguments have been proven to be BS. I'm seeing the second coming of Drew Brees.
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Well, I believe we are looking at Mayfield or Allen. Allen has a sky high upside, and will have plenty of time to
get his footwork perfected. And, Mayfield will have time to learn the game. All this talk about Mayfield's height -
does anybody not know that Brian Sipe was 6'1", 195 lbs?
Last year, there were 7 games, maybe 8, that they could have won with a field goal or a TD.
flip the talent switch hugely, add a very good OC, and watch the NFL be shocked at the difference.
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Well, I believe we are looking at Mayfield or Allen. Allen has a sky high upside, and will have plenty of time to
get his footwork perfected. And, Mayfield will have time to learn the game. All this talk about Mayfield's height -
does anybody not know that Brian Sipe was 6'1", 195 lbs?
Last year, there were 7 games, maybe 8, that they could have won with a field goal or a TD.
flip the talent switch hugely, add a very good OC, and watch the NFL be shocked at the difference.
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Sipe didn't have guys like JJ watt and Joey bosa and myles Garrett lined up across from him either.
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Sipe didn't have guys like JJ watt and Joey bosa and myles Garrett lined up across from him either.
Sipe didn't have guys like JJ watt and Joey bosa and myles Garrett lined up across from him either.
Sipe retired like 35 years ago.
We aren't going to draft 250lb OLinemen because the Browns won a title in 1964 with them.
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Sipe retired like 35 years ago.
We aren't going to draft 250lb OLinemen because the Browns won a title in 1964 with them.
That's what I'm saying. Different era, it's irrelevant in modern nfl.
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Sipe didn't have guys like JJ watt and Joey bosa and myles Garrett lined up across from him either.
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Well, I believe we are looking at Mayfield or Allen. Allen has a sky high upside, and will have plenty of time to
get his footwork perfected. And, Mayfield will have time to learn the game. All this talk about Mayfield's height -
does anybody not know that Brian Sipe was 6'1", 195 lbs?
Last year, there were 7 games, maybe 8, that they could have won with a field goal or a TD.
flip the talent switch hugely, add a very good OC, and watch the NFL be shocked at the difference.
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yet Russel Wilson is 5'11", 215.
Drew Brees - 6', 209.
Tyrod Taylor – Buffalo Bills – 6'1"
Aaron Rodgers – Green Bay Packers – 6'2"
Brian Hoyer – Houston Texans – 6'2"
Andy Dalton – Cincinnati Bengals – 6'2"
They are still in the NFL, not players from 35 years ago.
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Your list is two anomalies - Wilson and Brees, a mediocre starter in Taylor, and three guys that are an inch taller and probably 20-30 lbs heavier than Sipe, two inches taller than Mayfield.
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You coming around to the potential of Rosen yet?
I've always had Rosen in my top 3. To have him as our #1 in the draft? It's going to seriously depend how much weight Dorsey & Company put on his injury history. Those two concussions scare me. Josh is also the least mobile compared to Darnold and Mayfield- he's going to get hit a lot in the pros. I've mentioned he has a tennis player build, do we take him at #1 and watch him turn into another Sam Bradford, great when he's healthy- except he never is?
After listening to Cosell, I'm firming up my ranking #1 Mayfield, #2 Darnold, #3 Rosen. Just no to Allen and Jackson.
I've always had Rosen in my top 3. To have him as our #1 in the draft? It's going to seriously depend how much weight Dorsey & Company put on his injury history. Those two concussions scare me. Josh is also the least mobile compared to Darnold and Mayfield- he's going to get hit a lot in the pros. I've mentioned he has a tennis player build, do we take him at #1 and watch him turn into another Sam Bradford, great when he's healthy- except he never is?
After listening to Cosell, I'm firming up my ranking #1 Mayfield, #2 Darnold, #3 Rosen. Just no to Allen and Jackson.
Right now that's the way I'm leaving. Maybe swap Rosen and Darnold I worry that Rosen is skinny and I don't particularly like the rumors of his attitude but...
My worry about Sam his watching Ohio State hand him his a$$.
WSS
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I've always had Rosen in my top 3. To have him as our #1 in the draft? It's going to seriously depend how much weight Dorsey & Company put on his injury history. Those two concussions scare me. Josh is also the least mobile compared to Darnold and Mayfield- he's going to get hit a lot in the pros. I've mentioned he has a tennis player build, do we take him at #1 and watch him turn into another Sam Bradford, great when he's healthy- except he never is?
After listening to Cosell, I'm firming up my ranking #1 Mayfield, #2 Darnold, #3 Rosen. Just no to Allen and Jackson.
Right now that's the way I'm leaving. Maybe swap Rosen and Darnold I worry that Rosen is skinny and I don't particularly like the rumors of his attitude but...
My worry about Sam his watching Ohio State hand him his a$$.
WSS
Right now that's the way I'm leaving. Maybe swap Rosen and Darnold I worry that Rosen is skinny and I don't particularly like the rumors of his attitude but...
My worry about Sam his watching Ohio State hand him his a$$.
WSS
Eh it is a team game. Darnold was getting murdered all game. Fournette looked like trash against Alabama. He seems to be doing o.k. for himself.
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Allen will be "The Big Flop". He just can't make wide open passes. And the reason he won't "thread the needle" is because he will not throw those, he'll run.
I really do not want to be trading off a first rounder in 2019 because he was near identical to Sir Kaiser.
Allen will be "The Big Flop". He just can't make wide open passes. And the reason he won't "thread the needle" is because he will not throw those, he'll run.
I really do not want to be trading off a first rounder in 2019 because he was near identical to Sir Kaiser.
I completely agree. The only way Allen will be good (in my mind) is if he goes to a good team that allows him to really sit and learn a while. But I have to be honest, a guy throwing a ball very hard and far doesn't mean squat to me. I want the guy who can make quick decisions, throw it to someone IN STRIDE, NOT turn it over, someone who loves football, and a guy who is revered by his teammates. Oh look, that sounds like Baker Mayfield! Cosell seems to really like him, too.
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I got the impression he really likes Darnold the most, followed by mayfield. I'll take an accurate passer all day long over a cannon. At one point does the nfl realize that physical attributes are not the end all, be all of nfl qbs? I think this is why Darnold is the safest bet. He's big, accurate for the most part, mobile, and has great character...He checks all the boxes. He's also 20 years old! He needs a lot of work on protecting the football, his footwork inside the pocket, and a tweak to his mechanics (not a tim tebow type fix, but a little would help. he still gets the ball out fast and his fumbles were rarely due to his wind up but more to not protecting the ball). The OSU game is brought up a lot, he had his turnovers (one really bad pick) but it was clear that his offensive line was NO MATCH for that OSU defense. You can count on one hand how many "clean" pockets he had. I'm not saying it wasn't an eye raiser when I saw it, but he made plays and for the most part and made that more of a game than it should have been. Plus, with TT on-board, he can take time to develop and learn. A luxury Kizer never had.
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Well, I believe we are looking at Mayfield or Allen. Allen has a sky high upside, and will have plenty of time to
get his footwork perfected. And, Mayfield will have time to learn the game. All this talk about Mayfield's height -
does anybody not know that Brian Sipe was 6'1", 195 lbs?
Last year, there were 7 games, maybe 8, that they could have won with a field goal or a TD.
flip the talent switch hugely, add a very good OC, and watch the NFL be shocked at the difference.
Well, I believe we are looking at Mayfield or Allen. Allen has a sky high upside, and will have plenty of time to
Actually....I believe those are the two guys we have eliminated from consideration.
It will be Darnold or Rosen
get his footwork perfected. And, Mayfield will have time to learn the game. All this talk about Mayfield's height -
does anybody not know that Brian Sipe was 6'1", 195 lbs?
Last year, there were 7 games, maybe 8, that they could have won with a field goal or a TD.
flip the talent switch hugely, add a very good OC, and watch the NFL be shocked at the difference.
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Sipe didn't have guys like JJ watt and Joey bosa and myles Garrett lined up across from him either.
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