Jets trade up
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I'm late to this thread, but these news mean a few good things for me:
1. Browns are not trading down from #1, thus taking the best QB in their board.
2. NY is taking a QB or waiting for the Bills/Denver to get nervous and make the most out of #2. Either way, #2 is a QB too.
3. Jets take a QB at #3
4. The draft starts again for the Browns with the overall #1 pick but with the addition of a promising QB (let's hope he becomes a good franchise quaterback). Therefore, we can take BPA, or even trade down with Denver and take BPA anyway (this is best case scenario, with NY taking a QB too).
Anyway, I guess #4 pick has rised its stock, but I doubt anyone will go crazy for the 4th QB: it would show bad planning by a team if ANY Qb would fit into their system, as they're very different prospects. It would be weird for me if the QB board would look COMPLETELY different between NFL teams... There will be probably a consensus on who's 4th best among QB needy teams.
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You're overly negative Ghoolie.
I don't see the value of taking a RB #1 overall. Even Jim Brown in his prime wouldn't be worth that in today's NFL. - It's Pass & Rush the Passer. We want the best QB in the draft. Not the best RB. We can do fine with the right 2nd round RB. - Yes, we need WR. At TE we 'should' be ok. Our offense needs all the attention it can get...but the best pass rusher in the draft at #4 would help our team immensely.
You're overly negative Ghoolie.
You are just now getting around to figuring that out about him?
I don't see the value of taking a RB #1 overall. Even Jim Brown in his prime wouldn't be worth that in today's NFL. - It's Pass & Rush the Passer. We want the best QB in the draft. Not the best RB. We can do fine with the right 2nd round RB. - Yes, we need WR. At TE we 'should' be ok. Our offense needs all the attention it can get...but the best pass rusher in the draft at #4 would help our team immensely.
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I would love to know which quarterbacks these three teams had their sights on. Is Darnold the safe pick? Has Rosen got the best chance? Does Mayfield have the highest ceiling? Will Allen be the next Roethlisberger? Or the next Kizer?
WSS
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I'm late to this thread, but these news mean a few good things for me:
1. Browns are not trading down from #1, thus taking the best QB in their board.
2. NY is taking a QB or waiting for the Bills/Denver to get nervous and make the most out of #2. Either way, #2 is a QB too.
3. Jets take a QB at #3
4. The draft starts again for the Browns with the overall #1 pick but with the addition of a promising QB (let's hope he becomes a good franchise quaterback). Therefore, we can take BPA, or even trade down with Denver and take BPA anyway (this is best case scenario, with NY taking a QB too).
Anyway, I guess #4 pick has rised its stock, but I doubt anyone will go crazy for the 4th QB: it would show bad planning by a team if ANY Qb would fit into their system, as they're very different prospects. It would be weird for me if the QB board would look COMPLETELY different between NFL teams... There will be probably a consensus on who's 4th best among QB needy teams.
I'm late to this thread, but these news mean a few good things for me:
1. Browns are not trading down from #1, thus taking the best QB in their board.
2. NY is taking a QB or waiting for the Bills/Denver to get nervous and make the most out of #2. Either way, #2 is a QB too.
3. Jets take a QB at #3
4. The draft starts again for the Browns with the overall #1 pick but with the addition of a promising QB (let's hope he becomes a good franchise quaterback). Therefore, we can take BPA, or even trade down with Denver and take BPA anyway (this is best case scenario, with NY taking a QB too).
Anyway, I guess #4 pick has rised its stock, but I doubt anyone will go crazy for the 4th QB: it would show bad planning by a team if ANY Qb would fit into their system, as they're very different prospects. It would be weird for me if the QB board would look COMPLETELY different between NFL teams... There will be probably a consensus on who's 4th best among QB needy teams.
Only problem: who can say that the 4th QB...or even the 5th or 6th QB in this group is any better or any worse than what someone else thinks is #1
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Chubb #1 overall and Josh Allen... Darren, quite now- adults are talking...
Adults are capable of spelling the word "quiet'...
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What? You think Sashi is still running the draft? It's going to be a quarterback, but definitely not Jackson. We're not taking the 5-6th best quarterback at #1. We may trade out of the #4, but I wouldn't count on it.
I'd suggest you watch some tape on Chubb- a Zumba instructor he isn't. He's currently my pick at #4.
They need players who can win football games. What the fukc good is a QB with no running backs, tight ends or WRs? Barkely is the pick at #1, Trade Coleman and Garrett with some combination of this year's #4 and next year's 1st. Pick 3 times in the first round. RB, QB WR then a WR in the first pick of the second round. ANything else will yield MORE NOTHING
They need players who can win football games. What the fukc good is a QB with no running backs, tight ends or WRs? Barkely is the pick at #1, Trade Coleman and Garrett with some combination of this year's #4 and next year's 1st. Pick 3 times in the first round. RB, QB WR then a WR in the first pick of the second round. ANything else will yield MORE NOTHING
In case you haven't heard- this is a weak WR class, so sure, let's draft a couple more Colemans. Barkley is a a Zumba Instructor that can't pick up tough yards inside.
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You're overly negative Ghoolie.
I don't see the value of taking a RB #1 overall. Even Jim Brown in his prime wouldn't be worth that in today's NFL. - It's Pass & Rush the Passer. We want the best QB in the draft. Not the best RB. We can do fine with the right 2nd round RB. - Yes, we need WR. At TE we 'should' be ok. Our offense needs all the attention it can get...but the best pass rusher in the draft at #4 would help our team immensely.
Even Jim Brown in his prime wouldn't be worth that in today's NFL.
This just in... JB wasn't seen as worth that in the 50's either.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
They need players who can win football games. What the fukc good is a QB with no running backs, tight ends or WRs? Barkely is the pick at #1, Trade Coleman and Garrett with some combination of this year's #4 and next year's 1st. Pick 3 times in the first round. RB, QB WR then a WR in the first pick of the second round. ANything else will yield MORE NOTHING
In case you haven't heard- this is a weak WR class, so sure, let's draft a couple more Colemans. Barkley is a a Zumba Instructor that can't pick up tough yards inside.
In case you haven't heard- this is a weak WR class, so sure, let's draft a couple more Colemans. Barkley is a a Zumba Instructor that can't pick up tough yards inside.
I think that was once the narrative, h, but while it lacks elite talent at the top I think it is proving to be deep in good to very good WR talent. We may only see one or two go Day 1, but could easily see a dozen go Day 2.
As for Barky... if there's one criticism of him it is that he does not pound into the line inside.
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I'm late to this thread, but these news mean a few good things for me:
1. Browns are not trading down from #1, thus taking the best QB in their board.
2. NY is taking a QB or waiting for the Bills/Denver to get nervous and make the most out of #2. Either way, #2 is a QB too.
3. Jets take a QB at #3
4. The draft starts again for the Browns with the overall #1 pick but with the addition of a promising QB (let's hope he becomes a good franchise quaterback). Therefore, we can take BPA, or even trade down with Denver and take BPA anyway (this is best case scenario, with NY taking a QB too).
Anyway, I guess #4 pick has rised its stock, but I doubt anyone will go crazy for the 4th QB: it would show bad planning by a team if ANY Qb would fit into their system, as they're very different prospects. It would be weird for me if the QB board would look COMPLETELY different between NFL teams... There will be probably a consensus on who's 4th best among QB needy teams.
Only problem: who can say that the 4th QB...or even the 5th or 6th QB in this group is any better or any worse than what someone else thinks is #1
Only problem: who can say that the 4th QB...or even the 5th or 6th QB in this group is any better or any worse than what someone else thinks is #1
It is not about what they will end up being (HOFers, busts, whatever). It is about teams evaluating them and placing them in their board.
If 4 QB needy teams evaluate the QBs, it would surprise me that all of them have every QB in a different position. Maybe 1 and 2 can be different, but number 4? Each of these quaterbacks have veeery different skillsets, and you start making your team in FA. If you go in one direction in free agency, you should not suddenly go in other direction in the Draft.
Let's say you want to have a very vertical attack. You sign 2 WR, one of whom is a speedster and a TE who can go deep. In that scenario I see more a QB like Allen drafted than Mayfield, for example. So you put Allen in the top and Mayfield on 4th. If you are Denver or Buffalo, are you trading up to #4 if only Mayfield is available?
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Yeah, they really tipped their hands when you read into this trade more closely. It does make me seriously wonder if they got enough of a word that the Browns don't intend to go QB #1 so they wanted to jump in front. If that means the strategy moves to taking said QB #1 instead though there's no qualms from me. It also makes you wonder what sort of kings ransom the Browns could get from the Bills (21, 22, a 2nd and maybe next years 1st) to move up to #4, although I'm pretty opposed to that.
We may well find out what the #4 will fetch because it seems we are not all that open for business at #1 afterall...
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The Bills aren't the only team to have contacted the Browns about moving to #1. The Jets did before moving up, the Broncos have as well. Thus far the Browns have been a solid "no" on moving the pick.
I don't buy the JM comparisons one bit
Agree... While I think cursory looks at his tape and press produce similarities, upon closer examination they really do not hold up "upon further review."
We may well find out what the #4 will fetch because it seems we are not all that open for business at #1 afterall...
Benjamin AllbrightVerified account @AllbrightNFL
The Bills aren't the only team to have contacted the Browns about moving to #1. The Jets did before moving up, the Broncos have as well. Thus far the Browns have been a solid "no" on moving the pick.
If "multiple teams" have contacted the Browns about the #1, it only makes sense they've talked to the Giants about #2 also. NY is standing pat for the minute too.
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This just in... JB wasn't seen as worth that in the 50's either.
Sixth overall pick. Interestingly....the Top of that draft was very, very good. 3 HOFers in the top 6...and another borderline (Brodie)
1 Green Bay Packers (Lottery bonus pick) Paul Hornung [4] Halfback Notre Dame 2 Los Angeles Rams Jon Arnett Halfback USC 3 San Francisco 49ers John Brodie Quarterback Stanford 4 Green Bay Packers Ron Kramer End Michigan 5 Pittsburgh Steelers Len Dawson Quarterback Purdue 6 Cleveland Browns Jim Brown Fullback Syracuse Actually...it is 4 HOFers in the Top 8. Jim Parker HOF OL was the #8 pick.
Not sure if any other draft has ever had 4 of its top 8 picks make HOF.
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We may well find out what the #4 will fetch because it seems we are not all that open for business at #1 afterall...
Benjamin AllbrightVerified account @AllbrightNFL
The Bills aren't the only team to have contacted the Browns about moving to #1. The Jets did before moving up, the Broncos have as well. Thus far the Browns have been a solid "no" on moving the pick.
If "multiple teams" have contacted the Browns about the #1, it only makes sense they've talked to the Giants about #2 also. NY is standing pat for the minute too.
If "multiple teams" have contacted the Browns about the #1, it only makes sense they've talked to the Giants about #2 also. NY is standing pat for the minute too.
Agree...
I have to believe the Giants will hang there until our pick is announced and if we take "their QB", then they are outta there.
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To move to #2, it will cost them both 1st this year, a 1st next year, and probably a 2nd or 3rd this year as well. To move to #4 the cost would be very similar, 3 1st rounders plus additional pick perhaps in 2019. However, the Browns should not do this, they are guaranteed to get Chubb or Barkley now plus their QB of choice.
The one thing you can bet on is this................They will take Black Tarkenton at #1, and then trade down the #4
The one thing you can bet on is this................They will take Black Tarkenton at #1, and then trade down the #4
So you are telling us they are taking Lamar Jackson at #1 then?
Yes.
Then they will trade the #4 away.
Does anyone else remember Ghoolie saying we would take Lamar Jackson at 1? I dont think he does lol
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The one thing you can bet on is this................They will take Black Tarkenton at #1, and then trade down the #4
So you are telling us they are taking Lamar Jackson at #1 then?
Yes.
Then they will trade the #4 away.
Does anyone else remember Ghoolie saying we would take Lamar Jackson at 1? I dont think he does lol
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The one thing you can bet on is this................They will take Black Tarkenton at #1, and then trade down the #4
So you are telling us they are taking Lamar Jackson at #1 then?
Yes.
Then they will trade the #4 away.
Does anyone else remember Ghoolie saying we would take Lamar Jackson at 1? I dont think he does lol
Does anyone else remember Ghoolie saying we would take Lamar Jackson at 1? I dont think he does lol
Yes I do.
I thought it was such a pathetic attempt at trying to grab attention that I offered Ghoolie a $1000 bet that the Browns wouldn't do this.
No one on here wants to take my bets, sadly enough.
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Does anyone else remember Ghoolie saying we would take Lamar Jackson at 1? I dont think he does lol
Yes I do.
I thought it was such a pathetic attempt at trying to grab attention that I offered Ghoolie a $1000 bet that the Browns wouldn't do this.
No one on here wants to take my bets, sadly enough.
Yes I do.
I thought it was such a pathetic attempt at trying to grab attention that I offered Ghoolie a $1000 bet that the Browns wouldn't do this.
No one on here wants to take my bets, sadly enough.
If I can think a good enough sucker bet I'll bet you.
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Does anyone else remember Ghoolie saying we would take Lamar Jackson at 1? I dont think he does lol
Yes I do.
I thought it was such a pathetic attempt at trying to grab attention that I offered Ghoolie a $1000 bet that the Browns wouldn't do this.
No one on here wants to take my bets, sadly enough.
No one on here wants to take my bets, sadly enough.
Sure we will... you just need to make stupider bets.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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