From nobody to the top of the first round of the draft - Josh Allen
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I understand. But he went to a small hs, smaller college, one of three in town. Firebaugh hs was founded in 2005. Not an established powerhouse. And he was only 6'3", 180 lbs.
I look at it like it's a team game, and stats depend on circumstances.
A rb that goes to a small school with a poor offensive line and not much of a qb....does that mean they wouldn't be a star
if they had played at one of the top universities in the country? I just think stats being attributed solely on the quality of the qb is a bunch of bullhockey.
Ask yourself this - if rosen had gone to Wyoming, do you think he would have led them to
a bowl game? I say, NOPE. Would rosen have been successful? NOPE, says I.
Would rosen ever have gone to Wyoming? NOPE.
The "small school" excuse is wearing pretty thin at this point...
Ben Roethlisburger went to Miami University, my Alma mater, in the sh.itty MAC conference, and he still managed to throw twice as many TDs, have a better TD/INT ratio, and had a QB rating nearly 10 PTS higher than Josh Allen.
Ben: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ben-roethlisberger-1.html
Josh: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/josh-allen-7.html
You have to face the facts: Josh Allen has a North Korean missile for an arm; it may be strong, but at the end of the day, it's not hitting shi.t.
The "small school" excuse is wearing pretty thin at this point...
For shizzle...
How can a kid be top of the draft when he isn't near the top of his own conference?
Mountain West Player Passing Statistics - 2017
In order of Completion Percentage...
RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT 1 Kent Myers, QB USU 124 197 62.9 1278 6.5 49 8 7 21 123.7 2 Brett Rypien, QB BSU 218 348 62.6 2877 8.3 87 16 6 20 143.8 3 Marcus McMaryion, QB FRES 218 351 62.1 2726 7.8 81 14 5 8 137.7 4 Nick Stevens, QB CSU 284 459 61.9 3799 8.3 76 29 10 13 147.9 5 Dru Brown, QB HAW 254 412 61.7 2785 6.8 85 18 8 30 129.0 6 Ty Gangi, QB NEV 228 374 61.0 2746 7.3 82 25 11 7 138.8 7 Christian Chapman, QB SDSU 146 243 60.1 1873 7.7 89 13 4 29 139.2 8 Josh Allen, QB WYO 152 270 56.3 1812 6.7 47 16 6 22 127.8 9 Montel Aaron, QB SJSU 126 225 56.0 1531 6.8 59 8 10 22 116.0 10 Jordan Love, QB USU 129 235 54.9 1631 6.9 77 8 6 7 119.3 RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT 11 Armani Rogers, QB UNLV 99 189 52.4 1471 7.8 94 6 5 22 122.9 Eighth out of 11? How 'bout Yards per Attempt?
RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT 1 Nick Stevens, QB CSU 284 459 61.9 3799 8.3 76 29 10 13 147.9 2 Brett Rypien, QB BSU 218 348 62.6 2877 8.3 87 16 6 20 143.8 3 Armani Rogers, QB UNLV 99 189 52.4 1471 7.8 94 6 5 22 122.9 4 Marcus McMaryion, QB FRES 218 351 62.1 2726 7.8 81 14 5 8 137.7 5 Christian Chapman, QB SDSU 146 243 60.1 1873 7.7 89 13 4 29 139.2 6 Ty Gangi, QB NEV 228 374 61.0 2746 7.3 82 25 11 7 138.8 7 Jordan Love, QB USU 129 235 54.9 1631 6.9 77 8 6 7 119.3 8 Montel Aaron, QB SJSU 126 225 56.0 1531 6.8 59 8 10 22 116.0 9 Dru Brown, QB HAW 254 412 61.7 2785 6.8 85 18 8 30 129.0 10 Josh Allen, QB WYO 152 270 56.3 1812 6.7 47 16 6 22 127.8 RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT 11 Kent Myers, QB USU 124 197 62.9 1278 6.5 49 8 7 21 123.7 Oops... wrong direction. Maybe Rating?
RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT 1 Nick Stevens, QB CSU 284 459 61.9 3799 8.3 76 29 10 13 147.9 2 Brett Rypien, QB BSU 218 348 62.6 2877 8.3 87 16 6 20 143.8 3 Christian Chapman, QB SDSU 146 243 60.1 1873 7.7 89 13 4 29 139.2 4 Ty Gangi, QB NEV 228 374 61.0 2746 7.3 82 25 11 7 138.8 5 Marcus McMaryion, QB FRES 218 351 62.1 2726 7.8 81 14 5 8 137.7 6 Dru Brown, QB HAW 254 412 61.7 2785 6.8 85 18 8 30 129.0 7 Josh Allen, QB WYO 152 270 56.3 1812 6.7 47 16 6 22 127.8 8 Kent Myers, QB USU 124 197 62.9 1278 6.5 49 8 7 21 123.7 9 Armani Rogers, QB UNLV 99 189 52.4 1471 7.8 94 6 5 22 122.9 10 Jordan Love, QB USU 129 235 54.9 1631 6.9 77 8 6 7 119.3 RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT 11 Montel Aaron, QB SJSU 126 225 56.0 1531 6.8 59 8 10 22 116.0 YES! Top seven... time to call it a day.
Anyone know if Brett Rypien is Mark's son? Kid might have some promise.
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so, jblew, you went there - you should have known that. But thanks for stepping in a cowpie.
so, jblew, you went there - you should have known that. But thanks for stepping in a cowpie.
Yeah- nice try knocking Miami down when Ben was there. All those championships- only 2003 his junior year. 2001 and 2002 it was Toledo and Marshall.
Still Cal- outside of Ben's junior year when they did have a good team- incidentally he completed 69% of his passes. BTW, that was an improvement from 63% his sophomore year.That's another world compared to Allen's 56%. BTW, I looked up Miami's leaders from that 13-1 year, and I didn't notice any names other than Ben who made a dent in the NFL. JB is right- saying Allen had inferior surrounding talent isn't much of an excuse for a poor completion%. It's the same BS of anyone saying Mayfield's gaudy completion% is only due to him having superior surrounding talent.
You had better hope that with better coaching he can improve his accuracy, but the odds say he probably won't be able to. What I most fear is Hue hypnotizing Dorsey and Haslam with the mantra- I can fix him, I can fix him, I can fix him, I can fix him, I can fix him, I can fix him, I can fix him.
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well, you can't coach away arrogance, entitlement, drunken chicken running, and a lack of leadership, love for the game, etc.
Miami was a power way back in the day when I was there. I just showed you how many titles they won. Ignore the facts at your
peril of being wrong about qb's. You'd think 56.x % was 40 points away from 63.x %
Come on, man.
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What's amusing about Allen's pathetic completion % is his hilariously low yards per attempt.
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What's amusing about Allen's pathetic completion % is his hilariously low yards per attempt.
What's amusing about Allen's pathetic completion % is his hilariously low yards per attempt.
It's called a "dual threat".
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well, you can't coach away arrogance, entitlement, drunken chicken running, and a lack of leadership, love for the game, etc.
Miami was a power way back in the day when I was there. I just showed you how many titles they won. Ignore the facts at your
peril of being wrong about qb's. You'd think 56.x % was 40 points away from 63.x %
Come on, man.
well, you can't coach away arrogance, entitlement, drunken chicken running, and a lack of leadership, love for the game, etc.
Miami was a power way back in the day when I was there. I just showed you how many titles they won. Ignore the facts at your
peril of being wrong about qb's. You'd think 56.x % was 40 points away from 63.x %
Come on, man.
I just pointed out Miami didn't win the MAC the first two seasons Ben was at Miami. IIRC Chad Pennington was the QB on the competition. Yeah, at the time YOU were going to Kent (early 70s) Miami had decent teams- But after Ben, they've been pretty mediocre. Hardly the cream of the MAC. Cherry-pick your stats much? https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/miami-oh/
Cal- I still can't get over anytime one of us points out we have our doubts about Allen being the second coming of John Elway, you have to start ragging on Rosen. The two aren't related.
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well, you can't coach away arrogance, entitlement, drunken chicken running, and a lack of leadership, love for the game, etc.
Miami was a power way back in the day when I was there. I just showed you how many titles they won. Ignore the facts at your
peril of being wrong about qb's. You'd think 56.x % was 40 points away from 63.x %
Come on, man.
well, you can't coach away arrogance, entitlement, drunken chicken running, and a lack of leadership, love for the game, etc.
You'd think 56.x % was 40 points away from 63.x %
First... I don't know why you'd want to "coach away" "love of the game"...
Second... 56% is 700 points away from 63%.... 700 "basis points". Rick Santelli would be ashamed of you for not knowing that.
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Nick VeronicaVerified account @NickVeronica
Was curious why
@PFF had Josh Allen as its sixth-best QB in the class. This chart shows why. Here's him vs. their No. 1 QB, Baker Mayfield.
6:45 AM - 3 Apr 2018 -
well, you can't coach away arrogance, entitlement, drunken chicken running, and a lack of leadership, love for the game, etc.
Miami was a power way back in the day when I was there. I just showed you how many titles they won. Ignore the facts at your
peril of being wrong about qb's. You'd think 56.x % was 40 points away from 63.x %
Come on, man.
I just pointed out Miami didn't win the MAC the first two seasons Ben was at Miami. IIRC Chad Pennington was the QB on the competition. Yeah, at the time YOU were going to Kent (early 70s) Miami had decent teams- But after Ben, they've been pretty mediocre. Hardly the cream of the MAC. Cherry-pick your stats much? https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/miami-oh/
Cal- I still can't get over anytime one of us points out we have our doubts about Allen being the second coming of John Elway, you have to start ragging on Rosen. The two aren't related.
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well, you can't coach away arrogance, entitlement, drunken chicken running, and a lack of leadership, love for the game, etc.
Miami was a power way back in the day when I was there. I just showed you how many titles they won. Ignore the facts at your
peril of being wrong about qb's. You'd think 56.x % was 40 points away from 63.x %
Come on, man.
I just pointed out Miami didn't win the MAC the first two seasons Ben was at Miami. IIRC Chad Pennington was the QB on the competition. Yeah, at the time YOU were going to Kent (early 70s) Miami had decent teams- But after Ben, they've been pretty mediocre. Hardly the cream of the MAC. Cherry-pick your stats much? https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/miami-oh/
Cal- I still can't get over anytime one of us points out we have our doubts about Allen being the second coming of John Elway, you have to start ragging on Rosen. The two aren't related.
Cal- I still can't get over anytime one of us points out we have our doubts about Allen being the second coming of John Elway, you have to start ragging on Rosen. The two aren't related.
yo - I quit talking about Allen, and the haters just kept on and on and on.
The rosen thread looked lonely, I just counter the crap. It is getting boring now, but it was fun for a good while there.
Rosen is out of the picture, to me - it's Darnold probably, and Allen is the other choice.
Seems like some people are angry that Allen might be the pick, and they are campaigning to make it not happen.
I know Alfred E. Rosen won't be the pick. No worries here. This guy is irratating - but it's all true.
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well, you can't coach away arrogance, entitlement, drunken chicken running, and a lack of leadership, love for the game, etc.
You'd think 56.x % was 40 points away from 63.x %
First... I don't know why you'd want to "coach away" "love of the game"...
Second... 56% is 700 points away from 63%.... 700 "basis points". Rick Santelli would be ashamed of you for not knowing that.
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Nick VeronicaVerified account @NickVeronica
Was curious why
@PFF had Josh Allen as its sixth-best QB in the class. This chart shows why. Here's him vs. their No. 1 QB, Baker Mayfield.6:45 AM - 3 Apr 2018Was curious why
@PFF had Josh Allen as its sixth-best QB in the class. This chart shows why. Here's him vs. their No. 1 QB, Baker Mayfield.stats are bs when you don't consider the players around him, offensive line, ability of wr's to get open, etc etc etcetc etc.
That has been my pick all along.
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Was curious why
@PFF had Josh Allen as its sixth-best QB in the class. This chart shows why. Here's him vs. their No. 1 QB, Baker Mayfield.stats are bs when you don't consider the players around him, offensive line, ability of wr's to get open, etc etc etcetc etc.
That has been my pick all along.
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they graphed stats, correct? how can you create a graph without values? "Come on, man."
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they graphed stats, correct? how can you create a graph without values? "Come on, man."
No... Try actually looking at the charts rather than... how do you put it??? Oh yeah.... "Knee-jerking"
But take heart... Dane Brugler's Top 100 is out and Allen was #30 on his board...
Just above Jackson (#32)...
... but slightly trailing the other three QBs (Danold #6, Rosen #9, Mayfield #10)
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I did. Your own graph refers to "percentages". Do you know what a percentage is?
A calculation, Toursise. You know, NUMBERS? Yo, the graph catagories labels are referring to numbers.
Stats. eegad. Go get some caffiene.
every time I say how bad rosen is, you just knee jerk and rant about how you hate Allen.
"yawn". The Browns will pick Darnold or Allen with their first pick. Nobody's "experts" are experts.
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I did. Your own graph refers to "percentages". Do you know what a percentage is?
A calculation, Toursise. You know, NUMBERS? Yo, the graph catagories labels are referring to numbers.
Stats. eegad. Go get some caffiene.
every time I say how bad rosen is, you just knee jerk and rant about how you hate Allen.
"yawn". The Browns will pick Darnold or Allen with their first pick. Nobody's "experts" are experts.
I did. Your own graph refers to "percentages". Do you know what a percentage is?
A calculation, Toursise. You know, NUMBERS? Yo, the graph catagories labels are referring to numbers.
Stats. eegad. Go get some caffiene.
every time I say how bad rosen is, you just knee jerk and rant about how you hate Allen.
"yawn". The Browns will pick Darnold or Allen with their first pick. Nobody's "experts" are experts.
Please Cal, we don't "hate" Allen, he's a pretty likeable guy. Certainly not even close to you calling Rosen names because you don't like him. Nothing personal about Allen, just a bunch of us guys think he's far too questionable a prospect to risk a top five pick on.
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Between all of the different threads, I can't wait for draft day so we can get all of the circle jerking and feuding over with. If it is Allen, Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, or Jackson, I will still cheer for them because they are the Browns' QB.
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I did. Your own graph refers to "percentages". Do you know what a percentage is?
A calculation, Toursise. You know, NUMBERS? Yo, the graph catagories labels are referring to numbers.
Stats. eegad. Go get some caffiene.
every time I say how bad rosen is, you just knee jerk and rant about how you hate Allen.
"yawn". The Browns will pick Darnold or Allen with their first pick. Nobody's "experts" are experts.
I did. Your own graph refers to "percentages". Do you know what a percentage is?
A calculation, Toursise. You know, NUMBERS? Yo, the graph catagories labels are referring to numbers.
Stats. eegad. Go get some caffiene.
every time I say how bad rosen is, you just knee jerk and rant about how you hate Allen.
"yawn". The Browns will pick Darnold or Allen with their first pick. Nobody's "experts" are experts.
No one can objectively look at their numbers and say Rosen sucks. You can have concerns over his concussions and his shoulder etc, but his production and film doesn't show a qb that sucks, or is a bum.
You can also objectively look at Allen and be worried about his lack of accuracy and production. Worry about the transition to the NFL... Etc.
There's a difference between looking at the numbers and having concerns and just hating someone out of spite.
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I did. Your own graph refers to "percentages". Do you know what a percentage is?
A calculation, Toursise. You know, NUMBERS? Yo, the graph catagories labels are referring to numbers.
Stats. eegad. Go get some caffiene.
every time I say how bad rosen is, you just knee jerk and rant about how you hate Allen.
"yawn". The Browns will pick Darnold or Allen with their first pick. Nobody's "experts" are experts.
Please Cal, we don't "hate" Allen, he's a pretty likeable guy. Certainly not even close to you calling Rosen names because you don't like him. Nothing personal about Allen, just a bunch of us guys think he's far too questionable a prospect to risk a top five pick on.
Please Cal, we don't "hate" Allen, he's a pretty likeable guy. Certainly not even close to you calling Rosen names because you don't like him. Nothing personal about Allen, just a bunch of us guys think he's far too questionable a prospect to risk a top five pick on.
I'm good with that, it's understandable. Wentz did have those high completion percentages at N. Dakota, but it was the "small school - small competition" thing.
But he didn't play with a star-studded cast, either. I don't see Allen as the same level as Wentz, who I freaking really wanted in the draft... but he has all the tools to be every bit as good with some coaching and experience. "Greater risk, greater reward" ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carson_Wentz
Early years. Born in Raleigh, North Carolina, Wentz moved to North Dakota with his family at the age of three. He played quarterback and defensive back for the football team at Century High School in Bismarck, and also played basketball and baseball for the Patriots.
Passing yards: 7,078Completion percentage: 61.5Passer rating: 88.8
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