How Can/Will The Browns Blow It? Or Not?
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How could they blow it? They could trade out of #1 and let someone else have their QB pick of the litter. And then pick a bum at #22. ORrrrr...they could pick Manziel 2.0 and he turns out to be a Socky jerk. ORrrr they take Allen and he turns out to be Derrick Anderson, throwing at player's feet when they're crossing the field 5 yards in front of him.
Other side of coin: They could pick the best QB (Rosen, Darnold) and stay put and pick Chubb (this covers for Garrett...and we get a RB later) ORrrr....they can go ahead and pick Barkley at 4 so that the Ghoul doesn't come out spitting venom. ( I won't be able to greatly fault a Barkley choice at 4 because our offense has been so lousy ).
Excuse me, moderators, why can't we say the word Socky? (as in kocky).
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How could they blow it? They could trade out of #1 and let someone else have their QB pick of the litter. And then pick a bum at #22. ORrrrr...they could pick Manziel 2.0 and he turns out to be a Socky jerk. ORrrr they take Allen and he turns out to be Derrick Anderson, throwing at player's feet when they're crossing the field 5 yards in front of him.
Other side of coin: They could pick the best QB (Rosen, Darnold) and stay put and pick Chubb (this covers for Garrett...and we get a RB later) ORrrr....they can go ahead and pick Barkley at 4 so that the Ghoul doesn't come out spitting venom. ( I won't be able to greatly fault a Barkley choice at 4 because our offense has been so lousy ).
Excuse me, moderators, why can't we say the word Socky? (as in kocky).
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The Browns WILL blow this draft just as they blew last year's draft, and pretty much every draft since V 2.0 in 1999.
The Browns, and their fans, are vomitously opposed, repelled and disoriented by the thought of taking playmakers, more importantly, players who make a difference on the field. Joe Thomas was perhaps the biggest example of how to waste a draft pick because for all he supposedly was, he didn't demonstrably make the Browns better.
Garrett? never will be a difference maker. Coleman? Had the chance to help us beat the Steelers and he dropped the pass. Does it not ever dawn on you guys that the Browns never are in a highlight film where one of our players saved the day....made the winning score.....stopped the opposition from winning? Never............. NEVER. All you dickheads ever do is create fantasy narratives in which our players are so far superior, that they are doing things on the field that, while not producing points and wins, are doing things that in the long run that everyone else is just too dumb to understand.
Barkley is the pick of this draft. The Browns have the ability to get him, And the QB they want.
Hue wants Black Lamarkenton.
The Browns WILL blow this draft just as they blew last year's draft, and pretty much every draft since V 2.0 in 1999.
The Browns, and their fans, are vomitously opposed, repelled and disoriented by the thought of taking playmakers, more importantly, players who make a difference on the field. Joe Thomas was perhaps the biggest example of how to waste a draft pick because for all he supposedly was, he didn't demonstrably make the Browns better.
Garrett? never will be a difference maker. Coleman? Had the chance to help us beat the Steelers and he dropped the pass. Does it not ever dawn on you guys that the Browns never are in a highlight film where one of our players saved the day....made the winning score.....stopped the opposition from winning? Never............. NEVER. All you dickheads ever do is create fantasy narratives in which our players are so far superior, that they are doing things on the field that, while not producing points and wins, are doing things that in the long run that everyone else is just too dumb to understand.
Barkley is the pick of this draft. The Browns have the ability to get him, And the QB they want.
Hue wants Black Lamarkenton.
If the Browns could just draft a player like the legend that is Paxton Lynch.
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Well, they have..............Manziel, Frye, Hogan, Kizer, Quinn, oops............... I forgot................. Lynch is still playing in the NFL.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
Well, they have..............Manziel, Frye, Hogan, Kizer, Quinn, oops............... I forgot................. Lynch is still playing in the NFL.
Well, they have..............Manziel, Frye, Hogan, Kizer, Quinn, oops............... I forgot................. Lynch is still playing in the NFL.
Playing? Well he occupies a space (for now).
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Does it not ever dawn on you guys that the Browns never are in a highlight film where one of our players saved the day....made the winning score.....stopped the opposition from winning? Never............. NEVER.
LOL! Tom, has it dawned on you that there would not be any such highlight when you have zero wins in a season and the only such highlight for the 1-15 season was Josh Lambo's miss of the winning FG for the Chargers in 2016?
LOL! Tom, has it dawned on you that there would not be any such highlight when you have zero wins in a season and the only such highlight for the 1-15 season was Josh Lambo's miss of the winning FG for the Chargers in 2016?
Yes, this is what I am talking about. They have been in position many times to win, but this drafting philosophy of not taking play makers because they are too expensive for our sinsibility, or because they were taken with trade down asset addition,,,,,,you basically have schidt players. I expect the same kind of draft to save Haslam money.
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Playing? Well he occupies a space (for now).
And who here would not LOVE to be in that position?
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On poorly run franchises: Colin Cowherd thinks the Browns are doing it again this draft-handing Darnold to the Giants.
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Blow it
#1 - Josh Allen or a non QB would tell me all I need to know about John Dorsey
Nail it
#4 - The dream scenario is after we’ve taken our QB that the Giants stand pat and then take Barkley or Chubb. Then you got the Jets taking a QB so I think Buffalo then reach out to Denver. If Elway wants one of the QBs left this high then he’s going to have to come to #4 because Buffalo certainly will if they’ve been rejected by Denver. We could trade back just one spot and still get the player we’d have taken at #4 and pick up the third rounder we lost in the Tyrod trade. Even then who’s to say the QB Denver takes at #4 is the guy Buffalo wanted? One of Mayfield or Allen will almost certainly be left even after three QB’s have gone so we could trade back again with Buffalo gaining two firsts plus more from them and a third from Denver #4 in two trades that still see us picking at #12. This would be the dream for a 1-31 team.
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Well, let's face it. We could "blow it", but we really could use some LUCK too. Injuries, chemistry, even Josh Gordon staying straight....we need some things to go our darn way. Heck, even a large part of the draft is freaking luck. So am I afraid we're going to blow it? Sure. We have a TON of draft capital, and I've maintained over the past few months that our GM simply won't be able to resist trading down from 4. It could work out, but suffice to say we Browns fans haven't exactly been rewarded with trading down all that often. Sure, we get some killer picks, but we haven't gotten those blue chip guys we need to make plays.
We have a new front office, and that gives me hope. We have a veteran QB who protects the ball and works his butt off. We need our 2nd year players to "make the leap", something that has largely eluded us. We also need Josh Gordon on the field. We saw glimpses of his greatness last year, and lord knows what he can do with a full season of training and practicing with the team. The guy looks like Kong but runs a 4.4.
I am very hopeful. After such a miserable season, I'm excited to think about possibly winning multiple games and actually having FUN watching my beloved team. Remember fun? I mean, on paper this isn't a bad team at all. How crazy is THAT? After going winless, I would never have thought I'd be thinking about winning 6 games or so. And I totally think that's possible. We could win more, or even less, but I'm excited to actually SEE what we do. We did well (not great, but well IMO) in free agency, and now it's time for the draft.
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My glass is 5/8ths full....I choose to say the Browns will not blow it.
I agree with Ghoolie on a few things...draft playmakers. Our weakness has been scoring points, and we hardly ever stop the opponent on 3rd and long.
Something tells me the Browns are going to flip us all out and draft Chubb at #1 to shore up a wicked pass rush, then go offense on picks #4, 33, 35. It wouldn't be a shock to me if they drafted Baker Mayfield at 4, it sounds like Dorsey loves him and he has a similar skill set as Tyrod physically.
So yes, I do think they will gamble a bit on the QB pick. Personally, I think all these guys are a gamble based off of years of QB picks by all 32 teams. We've beat this stuff to death already.
I think they grab a shifty RB in round 2, probably their top-rated receiver in round 2. Therefore, they nab 3 potential "playmakers" with their top 4 picks. Hey. it's a start.
I don't even want to write about the 3/8ths glass-empty. Obviously, the wrong QB pick would be a huge part of that. I will remain positive, unless they trade down.
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Hopefully Jimmah got enough egg on his face that he never steps in the warroom again after the manziel debacle.
Hopefully Jimmah got enough egg on his face that he never steps in the warroom again after the manziel debacle.
AJ McCarron says hello. . .
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My glass is 5/8ths full....I choose to say the Browns will not blow it.
I agree with Ghoolie on a few things...draft playmakers. Our weakness has been scoring points, and we hardly ever stop the opponent on 3rd and long.
Something tells me the Browns are going to flip us all out and draft Chubb at #1 to shore up a wicked pass rush, then go offense on picks #4, 33, 35. It wouldn't be a shock to me if they drafted Baker Mayfield at 4, it sounds like Dorsey loves him and he has a similar skill set as Tyrod physically.
So yes, I do think they will gamble a bit on the QB pick. Personally, I think all these guys are a gamble based off of years of QB picks by all 32 teams. We've beat this stuff to death already.
I think they grab a shifty RB in round 2, probably their top-rated receiver in round 2. Therefore, they nab 3 potential "playmakers" with their top 4 picks. Hey. it's a start.
I don't even want to write about the 3/8ths glass-empty. Obviously, the wrong QB pick would be a huge part of that. I will remain positive, unless they trade down.
Something tells me the Browns are going to flip us all out and draft Chubb at #1 to shore up a wicked pass rush, then go offense on picks #4, 33, 35. It wouldn't be a shock to me if they drafted Baker Mayfield at 4, it sounds like Dorsey loves him and he has a similar skill set as Tyrod physically.
They are taking Mayfield at #1 in that scenario, why would they take the chance NYG or NYJ don't take him in those two spots? If we took Chubb someone is offering NYG a haul to get to #2 for instance.
Risks like that aren't taken with QB's at the top of the draft, they are drafted at #1 and that team can then get on with the rest of the draft.
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Something tells me the Browns are going to flip us all out and draft Chubb at #1 to shore up a wicked pass rush, then go offense on picks #4, 33, 35. It wouldn't be a shock to me if they drafted Baker Mayfield at 4, it sounds like Dorsey loves him and he has a similar skill set as Tyrod physically.
They are taking Mayfield at #1 in that scenario, why would they take the chance NYG or NYJ don't take him in those two spots? If we took Chubb someone is offering NYG a haul to get to #2 for instance.
Risks like that aren't taken with QB's at the top of the draft, they are drafted at #1 and that team can then get on with the rest of the draft.
They are taking Mayfield at #1 in that scenario, why would they take the chance NYG or NYJ don't take him in those two spots? If we took Chubb someone is offering NYG a haul to get to #2 for instance.
Risks like that aren't taken with QB's at the top of the draft, they are drafted at #1 and that team can then get on with the rest of the draft.
I don't know if it's a risk at all. If you have a guy like Chubb #1 on your board, you take him. He'd play immediately.
Darnold, the projected #1, isn't going to contribute in 2018 unless there's unforeseen circumstances. Same with Mayfield. Rosen's supposedly more apt to start sooner than later, so the Jets and Giants would take him if he's there.
I'm not saying this will happen, I'm just have a hunch they won't take a QB at 1.
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The Browns WILL blow this draft just as they blew last year's draft, and pretty much every draft since V 2.0 in 1999.
The Browns, and their fans, are vomitously opposed, repelled and disoriented by the thought of taking playmakers, more importantly, players who make a difference on the field. Joe Thomas was perhaps the biggest example of how to waste a draft pick because for all he supposedly was, he didn't demonstrably make the Browns better.
Garrett? never will be a difference maker. Coleman? Had the chance to help us beat the Steelers and he dropped the pass. Does it not ever dawn on you guys that the Browns never are in a highlight film where one of our players saved the day....made the winning score.....stopped the opposition from winning? Never............. NEVER. All you dickheads ever do is create fantasy narratives in which our players are so far superior, that they are doing things on the field that, while not producing points and wins, are doing things that in the long run that everyone else is just too dumb to understand.
Barkley is the pick of this draft. The Browns have the ability to get him, And the QB they want.
Hue wants Black Lamarkenton.
The Browns WILL blow this draft just as they blew last year's draft, and pretty much every draft since V 2.0 in 1999.
The Browns, and their fans, are vomitously opposed, repelled and disoriented by the thought of taking playmakers, more importantly, players who make a difference on the field. Joe Thomas was perhaps the biggest example of how to waste a draft pick because for all he supposedly was, he didn't demonstrably make the Browns better.
Garrett? never will be a difference maker. Coleman? Had the chance to help us beat the Steelers and he dropped the pass. Does it not ever dawn on you guys that the Browns never are in a highlight film where one of our players saved the day....made the winning score.....stopped the opposition from winning? Never............. NEVER. All you dickheads ever do is create fantasy narratives in which our players are so far superior, that they are doing things on the field that, while not producing points and wins, are doing things that in the long run that everyone else is just too dumb to understand.
Barkley is the pick of this draft. The Browns have the ability to get him, And the QB they want.
Hue wants Black Lamarkenton.
Taking Barkley is the equivalent....per your own spiel....of taking Garrett or Joe Thomas.
He would have as much impact as Kijana Carter did for the Bengals...or Curtis Enis. He is as ordinary as Trent Richardson was.
I know you want him because you thing that he will be a major impact player.
He will have as much impact as the other offensive skill players the Browns have had in the past: Richardson, Corey Coleman, Manziel, Weeden, Quinn. Oh....he may turn out like say, Braylon Edwards....he would have one very good season...and then disappear.
No....Barkley if the Corey Coleman of RBs.
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Well, they have..............Manziel, Frye, Hogan, Kizer, Quinn, oops............... I forgot................. Lynch is still playing in the NFL.
Well, they have..............Manziel, Frye, Hogan, Kizer, Quinn, oops............... I forgot................. Lynch is still playing in the NFL.
Only because he was taken much more recently than them. Hogan and Kizer are still playing fyi. But Lynch is looking to have the shelf life of Charlie Frye. Besides....Frye as a third round flyer at QB....as was Colt McCoy. Lynch was a first rounder.
But your comparison of hime to Manziel and Quinn may be perfectly apt.
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The Browns WILL blow this draft just as they blew last year's draft, and pretty much every draft since V 2.0 in 1999.
The Browns, and their fans, are vomitously opposed, repelled and disoriented by the thought of taking playmakers, more importantly, players who make a difference on the field. Joe Thomas was perhaps the biggest example of how to waste a draft pick because for all he supposedly was, he didn't demonstrably make the Browns better.
Garrett? never will be a difference maker. Coleman? Had the chance to help us beat the Steelers and he dropped the pass. Does it not ever dawn on you guys that the Browns never are in a highlight film where one of our players saved the day....made the winning score.....stopped the opposition from winning? Never............. NEVER. All you dickheads ever do is create fantasy narratives in which our players are so far superior, that they are doing things on the field that, while not producing points and wins, are doing things that in the long run that everyone else is just too dumb to understand.
Barkley is the pick of this draft. The Browns have the ability to get him, And the QB they want.
Hue wants Black Lamarkenton.
If the Browns could just draft a player like the legend that is Paxton Lynch.
If the Browns could just draft a player like the legend that is Paxton Lynch.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I think the Browns will blow it by spending a first-round pick on someone who wouldn't be a first-round in a year with great talent at that position.
Chubb is a second-round pick in next year's DE draft.. the DE's next year put Chubb to shame.
Houston's Ed Oliver, Alabama's Raekwon Davis, Michigan's Rashan Gary, OSU's Bosa, and Clemson's entire defensive line are all on the board for 2019.
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I think the Browns will blow it by spending a first-round pick on someone who wouldn't be a first-round in a year with great talent at that position.
Chubb is a second-round pick in next year's DE draft.. the DE's next year put Chubb to shame.
Houston's Ed Oliver, Alabama's Raekwon Davis, Michigan's Rashan Gary, OSU's Bosa, and Clemson's entire defensive line are all on the board for 2019.
I think the Browns will blow it by spending a first-round pick on someone who wouldn't be a first-round in a year with great talent at that position.
Chubb is a second-round pick in next year's DE draft.. the DE's next year put Chubb to shame.
Houston's Ed Oliver, Alabama's Raekwon Davis, Michigan's Rashan Gary, OSU's Bosa, and Clemson's entire defensive line are all on the board for 2019.
Pete and Re-Pete were in a boat. Pete fell out. Who was left. (yes, you are repeating yourself). Again, I would like to see something that supports your theory.
But, FYI.....many have said that your first sentence up there would apply to ALL of the QBs in this draft. That none of them should actually be considered before the second round....but they are only because they are QBs.
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