How Can/Will The Browns Blow It? Or Not?
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On poorly run franchises: Colin Cowherd thinks the Browns are doing it again this draft-handing Darnold to the Giants.
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Blow it
#1 - Josh Allen or a non QB would tell me all I need to know about John Dorsey
Nail it
#4 - The dream scenario is after we’ve taken our QB that the Giants stand pat and then take Barkley or Chubb. Then you got the Jets taking a QB so I think Buffalo then reach out to Denver. If Elway wants one of the QBs left this high then he’s going to have to come to #4 because Buffalo certainly will if they’ve been rejected by Denver. We could trade back just one spot and still get the player we’d have taken at #4 and pick up the third rounder we lost in the Tyrod trade. Even then who’s to say the QB Denver takes at #4 is the guy Buffalo wanted? One of Mayfield or Allen will almost certainly be left even after three QB’s have gone so we could trade back again with Buffalo gaining two firsts plus more from them and a third from Denver #4 in two trades that still see us picking at #12. This would be the dream for a 1-31 team.
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Well, let's face it. We could "blow it", but we really could use some LUCK too. Injuries, chemistry, even Josh Gordon staying straight....we need some things to go our darn way. Heck, even a large part of the draft is freaking luck. So am I afraid we're going to blow it? Sure. We have a TON of draft capital, and I've maintained over the past few months that our GM simply won't be able to resist trading down from 4. It could work out, but suffice to say we Browns fans haven't exactly been rewarded with trading down all that often. Sure, we get some killer picks, but we haven't gotten those blue chip guys we need to make plays.
We have a new front office, and that gives me hope. We have a veteran QB who protects the ball and works his butt off. We need our 2nd year players to "make the leap", something that has largely eluded us. We also need Josh Gordon on the field. We saw glimpses of his greatness last year, and lord knows what he can do with a full season of training and practicing with the team. The guy looks like Kong but runs a 4.4.
I am very hopeful. After such a miserable season, I'm excited to think about possibly winning multiple games and actually having FUN watching my beloved team. Remember fun? I mean, on paper this isn't a bad team at all. How crazy is THAT? After going winless, I would never have thought I'd be thinking about winning 6 games or so. And I totally think that's possible. We could win more, or even less, but I'm excited to actually SEE what we do. We did well (not great, but well IMO) in free agency, and now it's time for the draft.
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My glass is 5/8ths full....I choose to say the Browns will not blow it.
I agree with Ghoolie on a few things...draft playmakers. Our weakness has been scoring points, and we hardly ever stop the opponent on 3rd and long.
Something tells me the Browns are going to flip us all out and draft Chubb at #1 to shore up a wicked pass rush, then go offense on picks #4, 33, 35. It wouldn't be a shock to me if they drafted Baker Mayfield at 4, it sounds like Dorsey loves him and he has a similar skill set as Tyrod physically.
So yes, I do think they will gamble a bit on the QB pick. Personally, I think all these guys are a gamble based off of years of QB picks by all 32 teams. We've beat this stuff to death already.
I think they grab a shifty RB in round 2, probably their top-rated receiver in round 2. Therefore, they nab 3 potential "playmakers" with their top 4 picks. Hey. it's a start.
I don't even want to write about the 3/8ths glass-empty. Obviously, the wrong QB pick would be a huge part of that. I will remain positive, unless they trade down.
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Hopefully Jimmah got enough egg on his face that he never steps in the warroom again after the manziel debacle.
Hopefully Jimmah got enough egg on his face that he never steps in the warroom again after the manziel debacle.
AJ McCarron says hello. . .
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My glass is 5/8ths full....I choose to say the Browns will not blow it.
I agree with Ghoolie on a few things...draft playmakers. Our weakness has been scoring points, and we hardly ever stop the opponent on 3rd and long.
Something tells me the Browns are going to flip us all out and draft Chubb at #1 to shore up a wicked pass rush, then go offense on picks #4, 33, 35. It wouldn't be a shock to me if they drafted Baker Mayfield at 4, it sounds like Dorsey loves him and he has a similar skill set as Tyrod physically.
So yes, I do think they will gamble a bit on the QB pick. Personally, I think all these guys are a gamble based off of years of QB picks by all 32 teams. We've beat this stuff to death already.
I think they grab a shifty RB in round 2, probably their top-rated receiver in round 2. Therefore, they nab 3 potential "playmakers" with their top 4 picks. Hey. it's a start.
I don't even want to write about the 3/8ths glass-empty. Obviously, the wrong QB pick would be a huge part of that. I will remain positive, unless they trade down.
Something tells me the Browns are going to flip us all out and draft Chubb at #1 to shore up a wicked pass rush, then go offense on picks #4, 33, 35. It wouldn't be a shock to me if they drafted Baker Mayfield at 4, it sounds like Dorsey loves him and he has a similar skill set as Tyrod physically.
They are taking Mayfield at #1 in that scenario, why would they take the chance NYG or NYJ don't take him in those two spots? If we took Chubb someone is offering NYG a haul to get to #2 for instance.
Risks like that aren't taken with QB's at the top of the draft, they are drafted at #1 and that team can then get on with the rest of the draft.
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Something tells me the Browns are going to flip us all out and draft Chubb at #1 to shore up a wicked pass rush, then go offense on picks #4, 33, 35. It wouldn't be a shock to me if they drafted Baker Mayfield at 4, it sounds like Dorsey loves him and he has a similar skill set as Tyrod physically.
They are taking Mayfield at #1 in that scenario, why would they take the chance NYG or NYJ don't take him in those two spots? If we took Chubb someone is offering NYG a haul to get to #2 for instance.
Risks like that aren't taken with QB's at the top of the draft, they are drafted at #1 and that team can then get on with the rest of the draft.
They are taking Mayfield at #1 in that scenario, why would they take the chance NYG or NYJ don't take him in those two spots? If we took Chubb someone is offering NYG a haul to get to #2 for instance.
Risks like that aren't taken with QB's at the top of the draft, they are drafted at #1 and that team can then get on with the rest of the draft.
I don't know if it's a risk at all. If you have a guy like Chubb #1 on your board, you take him. He'd play immediately.
Darnold, the projected #1, isn't going to contribute in 2018 unless there's unforeseen circumstances. Same with Mayfield. Rosen's supposedly more apt to start sooner than later, so the Jets and Giants would take him if he's there.
I'm not saying this will happen, I'm just have a hunch they won't take a QB at 1.
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The Browns WILL blow this draft just as they blew last year's draft, and pretty much every draft since V 2.0 in 1999.
The Browns, and their fans, are vomitously opposed, repelled and disoriented by the thought of taking playmakers, more importantly, players who make a difference on the field. Joe Thomas was perhaps the biggest example of how to waste a draft pick because for all he supposedly was, he didn't demonstrably make the Browns better.
Garrett? never will be a difference maker. Coleman? Had the chance to help us beat the Steelers and he dropped the pass. Does it not ever dawn on you guys that the Browns never are in a highlight film where one of our players saved the day....made the winning score.....stopped the opposition from winning? Never............. NEVER. All you dickheads ever do is create fantasy narratives in which our players are so far superior, that they are doing things on the field that, while not producing points and wins, are doing things that in the long run that everyone else is just too dumb to understand.
Barkley is the pick of this draft. The Browns have the ability to get him, And the QB they want.
Hue wants Black Lamarkenton.
The Browns WILL blow this draft just as they blew last year's draft, and pretty much every draft since V 2.0 in 1999.
The Browns, and their fans, are vomitously opposed, repelled and disoriented by the thought of taking playmakers, more importantly, players who make a difference on the field. Joe Thomas was perhaps the biggest example of how to waste a draft pick because for all he supposedly was, he didn't demonstrably make the Browns better.
Garrett? never will be a difference maker. Coleman? Had the chance to help us beat the Steelers and he dropped the pass. Does it not ever dawn on you guys that the Browns never are in a highlight film where one of our players saved the day....made the winning score.....stopped the opposition from winning? Never............. NEVER. All you dickheads ever do is create fantasy narratives in which our players are so far superior, that they are doing things on the field that, while not producing points and wins, are doing things that in the long run that everyone else is just too dumb to understand.
Barkley is the pick of this draft. The Browns have the ability to get him, And the QB they want.
Hue wants Black Lamarkenton.
Taking Barkley is the equivalent....per your own spiel....of taking Garrett or Joe Thomas.
He would have as much impact as Kijana Carter did for the Bengals...or Curtis Enis. He is as ordinary as Trent Richardson was.
I know you want him because you thing that he will be a major impact player.
He will have as much impact as the other offensive skill players the Browns have had in the past: Richardson, Corey Coleman, Manziel, Weeden, Quinn. Oh....he may turn out like say, Braylon Edwards....he would have one very good season...and then disappear.
No....Barkley if the Corey Coleman of RBs.
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Well, they have..............Manziel, Frye, Hogan, Kizer, Quinn, oops............... I forgot................. Lynch is still playing in the NFL.
Well, they have..............Manziel, Frye, Hogan, Kizer, Quinn, oops............... I forgot................. Lynch is still playing in the NFL.
Only because he was taken much more recently than them. Hogan and Kizer are still playing fyi. But Lynch is looking to have the shelf life of Charlie Frye. Besides....Frye as a third round flyer at QB....as was Colt McCoy. Lynch was a first rounder.
But your comparison of hime to Manziel and Quinn may be perfectly apt.
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The Browns WILL blow this draft just as they blew last year's draft, and pretty much every draft since V 2.0 in 1999.
The Browns, and their fans, are vomitously opposed, repelled and disoriented by the thought of taking playmakers, more importantly, players who make a difference on the field. Joe Thomas was perhaps the biggest example of how to waste a draft pick because for all he supposedly was, he didn't demonstrably make the Browns better.
Garrett? never will be a difference maker. Coleman? Had the chance to help us beat the Steelers and he dropped the pass. Does it not ever dawn on you guys that the Browns never are in a highlight film where one of our players saved the day....made the winning score.....stopped the opposition from winning? Never............. NEVER. All you dickheads ever do is create fantasy narratives in which our players are so far superior, that they are doing things on the field that, while not producing points and wins, are doing things that in the long run that everyone else is just too dumb to understand.
Barkley is the pick of this draft. The Browns have the ability to get him, And the QB they want.
Hue wants Black Lamarkenton.
If the Browns could just draft a player like the legend that is Paxton Lynch.
If the Browns could just draft a player like the legend that is Paxton Lynch.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I think the Browns will blow it by spending a first-round pick on someone who wouldn't be a first-round in a year with great talent at that position.
Chubb is a second-round pick in next year's DE draft.. the DE's next year put Chubb to shame.
Houston's Ed Oliver, Alabama's Raekwon Davis, Michigan's Rashan Gary, OSU's Bosa, and Clemson's entire defensive line are all on the board for 2019.
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I think the Browns will blow it by spending a first-round pick on someone who wouldn't be a first-round in a year with great talent at that position.
Chubb is a second-round pick in next year's DE draft.. the DE's next year put Chubb to shame.
Houston's Ed Oliver, Alabama's Raekwon Davis, Michigan's Rashan Gary, OSU's Bosa, and Clemson's entire defensive line are all on the board for 2019.
I think the Browns will blow it by spending a first-round pick on someone who wouldn't be a first-round in a year with great talent at that position.
Chubb is a second-round pick in next year's DE draft.. the DE's next year put Chubb to shame.
Houston's Ed Oliver, Alabama's Raekwon Davis, Michigan's Rashan Gary, OSU's Bosa, and Clemson's entire defensive line are all on the board for 2019.
Pete and Re-Pete were in a boat. Pete fell out. Who was left. (yes, you are repeating yourself). Again, I would like to see something that supports your theory.
But, FYI.....many have said that your first sentence up there would apply to ALL of the QBs in this draft. That none of them should actually be considered before the second round....but they are only because they are QBs.
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Everything is an unknown, First overall picks are a crap shoot as we know. Any of these QB's/RB's could be the next David Carr/J.Russell/K.Carter/T.Rich. So as to blowing the picks, good luck.Might have better luck on the Roulette tables. Pick BPA, and pray to the evil football gods that we finally get it right! Because they sure haven't been to kind these past 19 years. Yeah, and ownership sure hasn't put the pieces in place the past years to evaluate the talent. Hopefully this years a KISS draft, and we finally have started the process of building a competent front office that allows us to become contenders once again.
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The thread that spawned an article... such as it is...
2018 NFL mock draft: The Browns are going to blow it, aren’t they?
More signs continue to point toward the Wyoming quarterback being the choice for the Cleveland Browns.By Dan Kadar Apr 16, 2018, 7:34am EDT"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
From the article:
"1. Cleveland Browns: Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming
This would not be a smart pick. This would be a very Browns pick. However, as the draft approaches, there are more and more people connecting Allen to the Browns.
There’s been the friend of Browns General Manager John Dorsey saying it. Radio host Dan Patrick has said the Browns like Allen. NFL Network’s Daniel Jeremiah, the former scout with deep connections in the league, said “people that know people inside the Browns” think it’s Allen.
At this point, it would be a surprise if this is all just an elaborate smoke screen."
Dear God in heaven fire Dorsey now before he does this to us!
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Blow it?
Barkley at 1. He then gets hurt because he's a HB
Rosen at 4. Who doesn't want to be here and never becomes a team leader.
Perfect?
Probably Darnold at 1.
Then trade back from 4 in a way that lands you Ward and Hurst.
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LaDexter said:
If the Browns end up not getting Bradley Chubb, they blew it...
As long as they don't draft any secret Jews, right?
(This seems out of the blue, but trust me, it's funny. Just check the political board. Actually, don't. You'll be better off.)
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
LaDexter said:
If the Browns end up not getting Bradley Chubb, they blew it...
As long as they don't draft any secret Jews, right?
(This seems out of the blue, but trust me, it's funny. Just check the political board. Actually, don't. You'll be better off.)
As long as they don't draft any secret Jews, right?
(This seems out of the blue, but trust me, it's funny. Just check the political board. Actually, don't. You'll be better off.)
Josh Allen may be Jewish. Many Jewish people have the name Allen:
Woody Allen
Mel Allen Yankees Broadcaster
George Allen....football coach
George Allen...his son....US Senator
Steve Allen...comedian
Gracie Allen....as in Burns and Allen
Marty Allen...comedian
Phog Allen...basketball coach
Irwin Allen....director: The Master of Disaster
Or, uhh, err...did you already cover this over there?
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