How Can/Will The Browns Blow It? Or Not?
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Hopefully Jimmah got enough egg on his face that he never steps in the warroom again after the manziel debacle.
Hopefully Jimmah got enough egg on his face that he never steps in the warroom again after the manziel debacle.
AJ McCarron says hello. . .
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My glass is 5/8ths full....I choose to say the Browns will not blow it.
I agree with Ghoolie on a few things...draft playmakers. Our weakness has been scoring points, and we hardly ever stop the opponent on 3rd and long.
Something tells me the Browns are going to flip us all out and draft Chubb at #1 to shore up a wicked pass rush, then go offense on picks #4, 33, 35. It wouldn't be a shock to me if they drafted Baker Mayfield at 4, it sounds like Dorsey loves him and he has a similar skill set as Tyrod physically.
So yes, I do think they will gamble a bit on the QB pick. Personally, I think all these guys are a gamble based off of years of QB picks by all 32 teams. We've beat this stuff to death already.
I think they grab a shifty RB in round 2, probably their top-rated receiver in round 2. Therefore, they nab 3 potential "playmakers" with their top 4 picks. Hey. it's a start.
I don't even want to write about the 3/8ths glass-empty. Obviously, the wrong QB pick would be a huge part of that. I will remain positive, unless they trade down.
Something tells me the Browns are going to flip us all out and draft Chubb at #1 to shore up a wicked pass rush, then go offense on picks #4, 33, 35. It wouldn't be a shock to me if they drafted Baker Mayfield at 4, it sounds like Dorsey loves him and he has a similar skill set as Tyrod physically.
They are taking Mayfield at #1 in that scenario, why would they take the chance NYG or NYJ don't take him in those two spots? If we took Chubb someone is offering NYG a haul to get to #2 for instance.
Risks like that aren't taken with QB's at the top of the draft, they are drafted at #1 and that team can then get on with the rest of the draft.
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Something tells me the Browns are going to flip us all out and draft Chubb at #1 to shore up a wicked pass rush, then go offense on picks #4, 33, 35. It wouldn't be a shock to me if they drafted Baker Mayfield at 4, it sounds like Dorsey loves him and he has a similar skill set as Tyrod physically.
They are taking Mayfield at #1 in that scenario, why would they take the chance NYG or NYJ don't take him in those two spots? If we took Chubb someone is offering NYG a haul to get to #2 for instance.
Risks like that aren't taken with QB's at the top of the draft, they are drafted at #1 and that team can then get on with the rest of the draft.
They are taking Mayfield at #1 in that scenario, why would they take the chance NYG or NYJ don't take him in those two spots? If we took Chubb someone is offering NYG a haul to get to #2 for instance.
Risks like that aren't taken with QB's at the top of the draft, they are drafted at #1 and that team can then get on with the rest of the draft.
I don't know if it's a risk at all. If you have a guy like Chubb #1 on your board, you take him. He'd play immediately.
Darnold, the projected #1, isn't going to contribute in 2018 unless there's unforeseen circumstances. Same with Mayfield. Rosen's supposedly more apt to start sooner than later, so the Jets and Giants would take him if he's there.
I'm not saying this will happen, I'm just have a hunch they won't take a QB at 1.
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The Browns WILL blow this draft just as they blew last year's draft, and pretty much every draft since V 2.0 in 1999.
The Browns, and their fans, are vomitously opposed, repelled and disoriented by the thought of taking playmakers, more importantly, players who make a difference on the field. Joe Thomas was perhaps the biggest example of how to waste a draft pick because for all he supposedly was, he didn't demonstrably make the Browns better.
Garrett? never will be a difference maker. Coleman? Had the chance to help us beat the Steelers and he dropped the pass. Does it not ever dawn on you guys that the Browns never are in a highlight film where one of our players saved the day....made the winning score.....stopped the opposition from winning? Never............. NEVER. All you dickheads ever do is create fantasy narratives in which our players are so far superior, that they are doing things on the field that, while not producing points and wins, are doing things that in the long run that everyone else is just too dumb to understand.
Barkley is the pick of this draft. The Browns have the ability to get him, And the QB they want.
Hue wants Black Lamarkenton.
The Browns WILL blow this draft just as they blew last year's draft, and pretty much every draft since V 2.0 in 1999.
The Browns, and their fans, are vomitously opposed, repelled and disoriented by the thought of taking playmakers, more importantly, players who make a difference on the field. Joe Thomas was perhaps the biggest example of how to waste a draft pick because for all he supposedly was, he didn't demonstrably make the Browns better.
Garrett? never will be a difference maker. Coleman? Had the chance to help us beat the Steelers and he dropped the pass. Does it not ever dawn on you guys that the Browns never are in a highlight film where one of our players saved the day....made the winning score.....stopped the opposition from winning? Never............. NEVER. All you dickheads ever do is create fantasy narratives in which our players are so far superior, that they are doing things on the field that, while not producing points and wins, are doing things that in the long run that everyone else is just too dumb to understand.
Barkley is the pick of this draft. The Browns have the ability to get him, And the QB they want.
Hue wants Black Lamarkenton.
Taking Barkley is the equivalent....per your own spiel....of taking Garrett or Joe Thomas.
He would have as much impact as Kijana Carter did for the Bengals...or Curtis Enis. He is as ordinary as Trent Richardson was.
I know you want him because you thing that he will be a major impact player.
He will have as much impact as the other offensive skill players the Browns have had in the past: Richardson, Corey Coleman, Manziel, Weeden, Quinn. Oh....he may turn out like say, Braylon Edwards....he would have one very good season...and then disappear.
No....Barkley if the Corey Coleman of RBs.
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Well, they have..............Manziel, Frye, Hogan, Kizer, Quinn, oops............... I forgot................. Lynch is still playing in the NFL.
Well, they have..............Manziel, Frye, Hogan, Kizer, Quinn, oops............... I forgot................. Lynch is still playing in the NFL.
Only because he was taken much more recently than them. Hogan and Kizer are still playing fyi. But Lynch is looking to have the shelf life of Charlie Frye. Besides....Frye as a third round flyer at QB....as was Colt McCoy. Lynch was a first rounder.
But your comparison of hime to Manziel and Quinn may be perfectly apt.
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The Browns WILL blow this draft just as they blew last year's draft, and pretty much every draft since V 2.0 in 1999.
The Browns, and their fans, are vomitously opposed, repelled and disoriented by the thought of taking playmakers, more importantly, players who make a difference on the field. Joe Thomas was perhaps the biggest example of how to waste a draft pick because for all he supposedly was, he didn't demonstrably make the Browns better.
Garrett? never will be a difference maker. Coleman? Had the chance to help us beat the Steelers and he dropped the pass. Does it not ever dawn on you guys that the Browns never are in a highlight film where one of our players saved the day....made the winning score.....stopped the opposition from winning? Never............. NEVER. All you dickheads ever do is create fantasy narratives in which our players are so far superior, that they are doing things on the field that, while not producing points and wins, are doing things that in the long run that everyone else is just too dumb to understand.
Barkley is the pick of this draft. The Browns have the ability to get him, And the QB they want.
Hue wants Black Lamarkenton.
If the Browns could just draft a player like the legend that is Paxton Lynch.
If the Browns could just draft a player like the legend that is Paxton Lynch.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I think the Browns will blow it by spending a first-round pick on someone who wouldn't be a first-round in a year with great talent at that position.
Chubb is a second-round pick in next year's DE draft.. the DE's next year put Chubb to shame.
Houston's Ed Oliver, Alabama's Raekwon Davis, Michigan's Rashan Gary, OSU's Bosa, and Clemson's entire defensive line are all on the board for 2019.
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I think the Browns will blow it by spending a first-round pick on someone who wouldn't be a first-round in a year with great talent at that position.
Chubb is a second-round pick in next year's DE draft.. the DE's next year put Chubb to shame.
Houston's Ed Oliver, Alabama's Raekwon Davis, Michigan's Rashan Gary, OSU's Bosa, and Clemson's entire defensive line are all on the board for 2019.
I think the Browns will blow it by spending a first-round pick on someone who wouldn't be a first-round in a year with great talent at that position.
Chubb is a second-round pick in next year's DE draft.. the DE's next year put Chubb to shame.
Houston's Ed Oliver, Alabama's Raekwon Davis, Michigan's Rashan Gary, OSU's Bosa, and Clemson's entire defensive line are all on the board for 2019.
Pete and Re-Pete were in a boat. Pete fell out. Who was left. (yes, you are repeating yourself). Again, I would like to see something that supports your theory.
But, FYI.....many have said that your first sentence up there would apply to ALL of the QBs in this draft. That none of them should actually be considered before the second round....but they are only because they are QBs.
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Everything is an unknown, First overall picks are a crap shoot as we know. Any of these QB's/RB's could be the next David Carr/J.Russell/K.Carter/T.Rich. So as to blowing the picks, good luck.Might have better luck on the Roulette tables. Pick BPA, and pray to the evil football gods that we finally get it right! Because they sure haven't been to kind these past 19 years. Yeah, and ownership sure hasn't put the pieces in place the past years to evaluate the talent. Hopefully this years a KISS draft, and we finally have started the process of building a competent front office that allows us to become contenders once again.
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The thread that spawned an article... such as it is...
2018 NFL mock draft: The Browns are going to blow it, aren’t they?
More signs continue to point toward the Wyoming quarterback being the choice for the Cleveland Browns.By Dan Kadar Apr 16, 2018, 7:34am EDT"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
From the article:
"1. Cleveland Browns: Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming
This would not be a smart pick. This would be a very Browns pick. However, as the draft approaches, there are more and more people connecting Allen to the Browns.
There’s been the friend of Browns General Manager John Dorsey saying it. Radio host Dan Patrick has said the Browns like Allen. NFL Network’s Daniel Jeremiah, the former scout with deep connections in the league, said “people that know people inside the Browns” think it’s Allen.
At this point, it would be a surprise if this is all just an elaborate smoke screen."
Dear God in heaven fire Dorsey now before he does this to us!
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Blow it?
Barkley at 1. He then gets hurt because he's a HB
Rosen at 4. Who doesn't want to be here and never becomes a team leader.
Perfect?
Probably Darnold at 1.
Then trade back from 4 in a way that lands you Ward and Hurst.
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LaDexter said:
If the Browns end up not getting Bradley Chubb, they blew it...
As long as they don't draft any secret Jews, right?
(This seems out of the blue, but trust me, it's funny. Just check the political board. Actually, don't. You'll be better off.)
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
LaDexter said:
If the Browns end up not getting Bradley Chubb, they blew it...
As long as they don't draft any secret Jews, right?
(This seems out of the blue, but trust me, it's funny. Just check the political board. Actually, don't. You'll be better off.)
As long as they don't draft any secret Jews, right?
(This seems out of the blue, but trust me, it's funny. Just check the political board. Actually, don't. You'll be better off.)
Josh Allen may be Jewish. Many Jewish people have the name Allen:
Woody Allen
Mel Allen Yankees Broadcaster
George Allen....football coach
George Allen...his son....US Senator
Steve Allen...comedian
Gracie Allen....as in Burns and Allen
Marty Allen...comedian
Phog Allen...basketball coach
Irwin Allen....director: The Master of Disaster
Or, uhh, err...did you already cover this over there?
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As long as they don't draft any secret Jews, right?
(This seems out of the blue, but trust me, it's funny. Just check the political board. Actually, don't. You'll be better off.)
Josh Allen may be Jewish. Many Jewish people have the name Allen:
Woody Allen
Mel Allen Yankees Broadcaster
George Allen....football coach
George Allen...his son....US Senator
Steve Allen...comedian
Gracie Allen....as in Burns and Allen
Marty Allen...comedian
Phog Allen...basketball coach
Irwin Allen....director: The Master of Disaster
Or, uhh, err...did you already cover this over there?
Josh Allen may be Jewish. Many Jewish people have the name Allen:
Woody Allen
Mel Allen Yankees Broadcaster
George Allen....football coach
George Allen...his son....US Senator
Steve Allen...comedian
Gracie Allen....as in Burns and Allen
Marty Allen...comedian
Phog Allen...basketball coach
Irwin Allen....director: The Master of Disaster
Or, uhh, err...did you already cover this over there?
They're probably working up to it
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The thread that spawned an article... such as it is...
2018 NFL mock draft: The Browns are going to blow it, aren’t they?
More signs continue to point toward the Wyoming quarterback being the choice for the Cleveland Browns.By Dan Kadar Apr 16, 2018, 7:34am EDTThe thread that spawned an article... such as it is...
2018 NFL mock draft: The Browns are going to blow it, aren’t they?
More signs continue to point toward the Wyoming quarterback being the choice for the Cleveland Browns.By Dan Kadar Apr 16, 2018, 7:34am EDTi really hope all this Allen talk is an elaborate smoke screen to keep people guessing. Why trade Kizer just to draft another inaccurate QB who needs tons of coaching? save the project QBs for later rounds and get Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield with the #1 pick. Anyone other than one of those 3 at #1 and everyone will be talking about how the Browns browned up another draft.
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LaDexter said:
If the Browns end up not getting Bradley Chubb, they blew it...
As long as they don't draft any secret Jews, right?
(This seems out of the blue, but trust me, it's funny. Just check the political board. Actually, don't. You'll be better off.)
As long as they don't draft any secret Jews, right?
(This seems out of the blue, but trust me, it's funny. Just check the political board. Actually, don't. You'll be better off.)
I can only imagine the level of stupidity over there.
No. Thank. You.
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I think many of us are somewhat "scared" that we'll blow it in some way or another, but for me personally, a lot of that fear has been negated by the fact we now have a GM with experience. A guy who has done it before, done it well, and has a ton of assets to work with. Given our experience with trading down and missing out on potential blue-chippers, I seriously doubt we'll trade out of the #1 pick. Now, #4 will almost certainly be a trade down in my crazy mind, but I don't expect it to be TOO far down. Our staff has essentially said we're taking a QB first, and we've already turned down offers for a trade. I'd LOVE to know what the details of those trades were, but you can bet teams will be coming with their very best offers as the draft begins. Still, I don't see us moving out of #1.
My biggest fear is trying to get too cute and trading out of the #1 and somehow missing out on our "favorite" QB. Even if we move anywhere from 2-5 and we draft a QB, I can still read the headlines in my head, "Browns wanted someone else, but settled for (enter name)." We don't NEED to settle, and we don't NEED to trade down...not from #1. Identify your favorite QB, draft him, and if you want to get cute, do so with the #4.
My other fear? Drafting Josh Allen. This guy scares me to DEATH, and people can try and explain away his miserable completion percentage all they want, but his accuracy means "NO WAY" to me. On the flip side, apparently Allen is extremely bright and did somewhat better on the "white board" than some expected, but Allen represents (to me) the biggest "boom or bust" candidate in the draft, and when you're the Browns, you can't choose that guy. You have to pick the guy who you feel has the safest floor, and someone you feel strongly about starting for your team during the next 10 years. I want Baker Mayfield, and that's not going to change. I could care less about his height, as he rarely got passes knocked down in college, and he's scary accurate. I don't have a stat to prove it, but when I watched Baker play, he really seemed to deliver the ball to people where they could catch it and RUN with it. We have guys on our team who can be scary good after the catch. THAT'S where accuracy is really going to help us. Oh, and Baker doesn't throw picks, either.
What's my biggest fear for our offense this year? Ironically, it has nothing to do with the QB position at all. My biggest fear/concern with our offense is actually our FG kicker. Tyrod Taylor appears to ALWAYS be involved in close games. Again, I have no stats to prove this, and I could be way off, but Tyrod seems to be a guy who's consistently in tight games, and for a team who absolutely needs every point, we can't have anything less than a stellar kicker. We can't be going for it on the opposition's 36 yard line because we don't have faith in our kicker. We need to be to confidently line up our kicker, have him make the majority of his long kicks, and he needs to do so in close games. Additionally, we simply CAN'T get off to an awful start to the season. If we start out 0-4 or something, it's going to get UGLY in Cleveland (well, UGLIER anyways). For seemingly once in our darn lives, we need to win the first darn game. Get that freaking gorilla off our backs, and start focusing on winning some more games. We can't have a situation where we're searching for that elusive "first win" week in and week out. The NFL has so many close games, and we need a kicker who can make tough kicks to ensure we grab the ones we can.
Another offensive fear I have is obviously Josh Gordon. Every day it seems like I'm checking my phone to see, "Gordon tested positive, is off the team!" or some crap like that. Every single time I see a Browns logo on my phone indicating there's Browns news, I get scared. Josh is simply THAT good, and while he was admittedly a little scattered during his 5 games last year, I certainly believe him being able to participate with his team ALL YEAR long and into training camp will do wonders for the guy. He sees the payday Landry got, and you KNOW he sees his paltry paycheck (in comparison, of course) and wants something more. Josh needs to prove he can play, and prove even more that he can stay in the league. He does that, and we have an offense you don't want to mess with. You're not going to double-team Landry AND Gordon all that much, and if you're going to "box" Gordon with a safety, or flat-out double cover him, Landry and maybe even Coleman will have EXCELLENT opportunities. Josh opens so many doors for our offense. I only hope they stay open and he doesn't slam it shut on his NFL future.
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