NFL Exec says THIS scenario where Browns trade out of one isn’t crazy
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In years? I think that both Fournette and Zeke Elliot were as good or better RB prospects. Maybe we get the best RB prospect...This year. If he is the choice.
The thought of Garrett and Chubb as bookends is an enticing thought.
Barkley is considered a better draft prospect in NFL circles than those guys were.
NFL Draft grades: Fournette 6.8, Zeke 7.09, Barkley 7.45.
You'd have to back to Adrian Peterson in 2007 to find as highly touted RB prospect. That's years.
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Zombo said:
Barkley is considered a better draft prospect in NFL circles than those guys were.
NFL Draft grades: Fournette 6.8, Zeke 7.09, Barkley 7.45.
You'd have to back to Adrian Peterson in 2007 to find as highly touted RB prospect. That's years.
Z
Someone is ....as the English say it: Barking (Barkling) Mad. I am getting a TRII vibe from him.
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Alvin Kamara and Kareem Hunt were both 3rd rounders last season.
Its not uncommon, at all.
Sure, you hit on one once in a while. And you can get a decent guy like Crow off the street. Like I said I've rarely pimped a RB in the draft ... but this guy is as good a RB prospect as you'll ever see ... don't be disappointed if he's a Brown.
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Zombo said:
Sure, you hit on one once in a while. And you can get a decent guy like Crow off the street. Like I said I've rarely pimped a RB in the draft ... but this guy is as good a RB prospect as you'll ever see ... don't be disappointed if he's a Brown.
Z
To me it is as much about priorities. RB is not a huge priority for the Browns at this point...imo....such that we can bypass other....perhaps as good or better players...at positions of greater need and/or impact. We have a Mr. Inside and a Mr. Outside. Hyde and Duke. I tell you from what I recall Carlos Hyde had as good or better college career as did Barkley.
Of course, we will take the QB.....but beyond that I see a DB or a DL as being something that we can use more. I would not mind having Barkley...and if we get him I hope he is the second coming of Leroy Kelly (no one should be so foolish to say the second coming of Jim Brown)....but if we had another major stud DL (I want our own version of the Fearsome Foursome)....or another Ronnie Lott or Deion Sanders......it would serve us better.
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Carlos Hyde College stats:
Rushing & Receiving
Rushing Receiving Scrimmage Year School Conf Class Pos G Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD Plays Yds Avg TD Career Ohio State 523 3198 6.1 37 34 271 8.0 4 557 3469 6.2 41 *2010 Ohio State Big Ten FR RB 7 24 141 5.9 0 24 141 5.9 0 *2011 Ohio State Big Ten SO RB 13 106 566 5.3 6 10 73 7.3 0 116 639 5.5 6 2012 Ohio State Big Ten JR RB 10 185 970 5.2 16 8 51 6.4 1 193 1021 5.3 17 *2013 Ohio State Big Ten SR RB 11 208 1521 7.3 15 16 147 9.2 3 224 1668 7.4 18 Saquon Barkley college stats
Rushing & Receiving
Rushing Receiving Scrimmage Year School Conf Class Pos G Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD Plays Yds Avg TD Career Penn State 671 3843 5.7 43 102 1195 11.7 8 773 5038 6.5 51 *2015 Penn State Big Ten FR RB 11 182 1076 5.9 7 20 161 8.1 1 202 1237 6.1 8 *2016 Penn State Big Ten SO RB 14 272 1496 5.5 18 28 402 14.4 4 300 1898 6.3 22 *2017 Penn State Big Ten JR RB 13 217 1271 5.9 18 54 632 11.7 3 271 1903 7.0 21 -
So nowhere near as good... let alone better?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
So nowhere near as good... let alone better?
Not sure what you are looking at. As strictly a runner, Hyde's stats look a bit better. Barkley does have a lot more receiving attempts.
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Not sure what you are looking at.
Everything...
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Not sure what you are looking at.
Everything...
Everything...
And when you look at everything you see that Hyde was likely the better runner in college.....and that Barkley was the better receiver out of the backfield.
And now...in the Browns scheme of things.....they have Duke to be the receiving RB.....as well as Landry at slot....and a couple of TEs.....and they have Hyde to run the ball.
So....to me...having Barkley would be nice....but it would be a luxury. He would play a role that we would/could already have covered with Hyde/Barkley...and maybe a 2d rounder. And we can use that high pick on other priorities.
I guess let's ask this question: Who would be better to get the tough yardage on 3rd and 2 or 3rd and 1? I think Hyde likely over Barkley.
Bottom line....I think I would rather have a Chubb or Fitzpatrick at #4 than Barkley.
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Zombo said:
Sure, you hit on one once in a while. And you can get a decent guy like Crow off the street. Like I said I've rarely pimped a RB in the draft ... but this guy is as good a RB prospect as you'll ever see ... don't be disappointed if he's a Brown.
Z
To me it is as much about priorities. RB is not a huge priority for the Browns at this point...imo....such that we can bypass other....perhaps as good or better players...at positions of greater need and/or impact. We have a Mr. Inside and a Mr. Outside. Hyde and Duke. I tell you from what I recall Carlos Hyde had as good or better college career as did Barkley.
Of course, we will take the QB.....but beyond that I see a DB or a DL as being something that we can use more. I would not mind having Barkley...and if we get him I hope he is the second coming of Leroy Kelly (no one should be so foolish to say the second coming of Jim Brown)....but if we had another major stud DL (I want our own version of the Fearsome Foursome)....or another Ronnie Lott or Deion Sanders......it would serve us better.
I tell you from what I recall Carlos Hyde had as good or better college career as did Barkley.
So the above is no longer the discussion?
Now it's, "Who can pound out a yard or two in a run situation?" And/or, "Who we'd draft?"
Man, a lot changes in an hour...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
No way. Dorsey will get run out of town
Dorsey is not choosing the QB. Hue is. Hue loves Black Lamarkenton.
All he has to do is team with DePud, convince Haslam that Lamar is jst as good, that he fits Hue's offense, that we will have a lower salary burden and more picks. EASY SELL with a cheap owner. The Browns trading out of #1 is NOT even a stretch.
Dorsey is not choosing the QB. Hue is. Hue loves Black Lamarkenton.
All he has to do is team with DePud, convince Haslam that Lamar is jst as good, that he fits Hue's offense, that we will have a lower salary burden and more picks. EASY SELL with a cheap owner. The Browns trading out of #1 is NOT even a stretch.
The report is Hue loves Darnold- the smoke is so thick, no report is believable with the draft two weeks away... OTOH, Haslam is so cheap he spent millions of his own money upgrading the stadium, and just spent $73 million to sign Jarvis Landry to a long term deal. We finally land a star player, and some of this crazy crew (not you) are bitching we're spending too much money.
Not likely. Look for the Browns to trade down and take Black Lamarkenton, and another fatass OL.
Bet you a bottle of Zaya against Ag's Diplomatico we don't take Jackson or a OL in the first round....
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I tell you from what I recall Carlos Hyde had as good or better college career as did Barkley.
So the above is no longer the discussion?
Now it's, "Who can pound out a yard or two in a run situation?" And/or, "Who we'd draft?"
Man, a lot changes in an hour...
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Dorsey is not choosing the QB. Hue is. Hue loves Black Lamarkenton.
All he has to do is team with DePud, convince Haslam that Lamar is jst as good, that he fits Hue's offense, that we will have a lower salary burden and more picks. EASY SELL with a cheap owner. The Browns trading out of #1 is NOT even a stretch.
The report is Hue loves Darnold- the smoke is so thick, no report is believable with the draft two weeks away... OTOH, Haslam is so cheap he spent millions of his own money upgrading the stadium, and just spent $73 million to sign Jarvis Landry to a long term deal. We finally land a star player, and some of this crazy crew (not you) are bitching we're spending too much money.
Not likely. Look for the Browns to trade down and take Black Lamarkenton, and another fatass OL.
Bet you a bottle of Zaya against Ag's Diplomatico we don't take Jackson or a OL in the first round....
or a OL in the first round....
were all out of sumo wrestlers from last season
but how bout a Rugby player at tackle? https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/4/12/17230052/browns-hosting-australian-rugby-player-jordan-mailata-for-pre-draft-visit almost every team football forum (i spy) talk this guy up & why is he even Draftable? now on our 30 invite list..
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Dorsey is not choosing the QB. Hue is. Hue loves Black Lamarkenton.
All he has to do is team with DePud, convince Haslam that Lamar is jst as good, that he fits Hue's offense, that we will have a lower salary burden and more picks. EASY SELL with a cheap owner. The Browns trading out of #1 is NOT even a stretch.
The report is Hue loves Darnold- the smoke is so thick, no report is believable with the draft two weeks away... OTOH, Haslam is so cheap he spent millions of his own money upgrading the stadium, and just spent $73 million to sign Jarvis Landry to a long term deal. We finally land a star player, and some of this crazy crew (not you) are bitching we're spending too much money.
Not likely. Look for the Browns to trade down and take Black Lamarkenton, and another fatass OL.
Bet you a bottle of Zaya against Ag's Diplomatico we don't take Jackson or a OL in the first round....
The report is Hue loves Darnold- the smoke is so thick, no report is believable with the draft two weeks away... OTOH, Haslam is so cheap he spent millions of his own money upgrading the stadium, and just spent $73 million to sign Jarvis Landry to a long term deal. We finally land a star player, and some of this crazy crew (not you) are bitching we're spending too much money.
Bet you a bottle of Zaya against Ag's Diplomatico we don't take Jackson or a OL in the first round....
Dude, I am not betting on this pooper sport, and jackoff team. Why don't we find a bird sitting on a tomato stick and bet whether it schitts first or flies away?
I bet on the Browns the last 2 years not to win 4 games, I am betting it again. They suck and they will CONTINUE to suck................. the 2018 draft will have no effect on this team.
I would have taken 3 wins or less, Vegas is giving 4.5. I win again.
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The report is Hue loves Darnold- the smoke is so thick, no report is believable with the draft two weeks away... OTOH, Haslam is so cheap he spent millions of his own money upgrading the stadium, and just spent $73 million to sign Jarvis Landry to a long term deal. We finally land a star player, and some of this crazy crew (not you) are bitching we're spending too much money.
Bet you a bottle of Zaya against Ag's Diplomatico we don't take Jackson or a OL in the first round....
Dude, I am not betting on this pooper sport, and jackoff team. Why don't we find a bird sitting on a tomato stick and bet whether it schitts first or flies away?
I bet on the Browns the last 2 years not to win 4 games, I am betting it again. They suck and they will CONTINUE to suck................. the 2018 draft will have no effect on this team.
I would have taken 3 wins or less, Vegas is giving 4.5. I win again.
Dude, I am not betting on this pooper sport, and jackoff team. Why don't we find a bird sitting on a tomato stick and bet whether it schitts first or flies away?
I bet on the Browns the last 2 years not to win 4 games, I am betting it again. They suck and they will CONTINUE to suck................. the 2018 draft will have no effect on this team.
I would have taken 3 wins or less, Vegas is giving 4.5. I win again.
hey man did your case of the herpes finally clear up,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i'm just a concerned poster is all
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Zombo said:
Sure, you hit on one once in a while. And you can get a decent guy like Crow off the street. Like I said I've rarely pimped a RB in the draft ... but this guy is as good a RB prospect as you'll ever see ... don't be disappointed if he's a Brown.
Z
To me it is as much about priorities. RB is not a huge priority for the Browns at this point...imo....such that we can bypass other....perhaps as good or better players...at positions of greater need and/or impact. We have a Mr. Inside and a Mr. Outside. Hyde and Duke. I tell you from what I recall Carlos Hyde had as good or better college career as did Barkley.
Of course, we will take the QB.....but beyond that I see a DB or a DL as being something that we can use more. I would not mind having Barkley...and if we get him I hope he is the second coming of Leroy Kelly (no one should be so foolish to say the second coming of Jim Brown)....but if we had another major stud DL (I want our own version of the Fearsome Foursome)....or another Ronnie Lott or Deion Sanders......it would serve us better.
To me it is as much about priorities. RB is not a huge priority for the Browns at this point...imo....such that we can bypass other....perhaps as good or better players...at positions of greater need and/or impact. We have a Mr. Inside and a Mr. Outside. Hyde and Duke. I tell you from what I recall Carlos Hyde had as good or better college career as did Barkley.
Of course, we will take the QB.....but beyond that I see a DB or a DL as being something that we can use more. I would not mind having Barkley...and if we get him I hope he is the second coming of Leroy Kelly (no one should be so foolish to say the second coming of Jim Brown)....but if we had another major stud DL (I want our own version of the Fearsome Foursome)....or another Ronnie Lott or Deion Sanders......it would serve us better.
Nothing is ever a priority for the Browns. EVERYTHING can wait until the foundation is first built. THEN.............. once we add the foundation we can go after playmakers. Isn't that what we wasted a fukcking #1 on Joe Thomas for? Yeah, man............. he was a need.............foundation.............. a player to build on..............the caulksucker was such a failure and a dud, nobody here can name a single fukcing offensive analytical that improved when he came, OR declined when he left.
The Browns are in position to take a QB AND Barkley. It doesn't matter if the Browns THINK they don't need a RB. They don't HAVE a RB, nor do we have any depandable, stellar WRs. If the Browns don't take Barkley at #1, he will be gone by #4. Sadly, IF the Browns take Barkley at #1, they will trade #4 and Hue will have two... COUNT EM TWO............black Tarkentons in his QB tank.
I hope they take Darnold, but if they do, they will find a way to trade away the #4, and everyone here will be saying " oh, there was nobody worth the #4 pick. Every year, the players are not good enough for our high picks. So we sign schidt and go 0 - 16 .
Why do the Browns even bother to draft anyone? Why not just keep trading down and amassing assets for the future? Isn't that what we do best? Which one of you jackoffs said " This is what a rebuild looks like".
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Dude, I am not betting on this pooper sport, and jackoff team. Why don't we find a bird sitting on a tomato stick and bet whether it schitts first or flies away?
I bet on the Browns the last 2 years not to win 4 games, I am betting it again. They suck and they will CONTINUE to suck................. the 2018 draft will have no effect on this team.
I would have taken 3 wins or less, Vegas is giving 4.5. I win again.
hey man did your case of the herpes finally clear up,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i'm just a concerned poster is all
hey man did your case of the herpes finally clear up,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i'm just a concerned poster is all
Off all the things you can post about, you are concerned about my penis?
Just curious, if I had herpes, how would you come to know that I had them? Your wife? You? Certainly I have not posted about my having herpes so the only way you could even ponder that I might have them is if you knew who I was porking, and you knew they had herpes.
This is not the first time you have posted your concerns about my penis. YOU.............are a homo.
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Zombo said:
Barkley is considered a better draft prospect in NFL circles than those guys were.
NFL Draft grades: Fournette 6.8, Zeke 7.09, Barkley 7.45.
You'd have to back to Adrian Peterson in 2007 to find as highly touted RB prospect. That's years.
Z
I just don't see it.
I just don't see it.
This is kind of the problem in Cleveland, isn't it Tex? We never "see" the right guys to draft. Oh, I do, but in general, the Browns don't. Garett and Dropsey boy last year? And we could have had Trubisky? Imagine that, Trubisky in town, and a #1 and #4 to get weapons this year.
Barley is the pick of the draft. Trubisky was the pick of the draft. Goff and Wenz were the picks of the draft.
The Browns do not participate in drafting the best players, and have 100% without exception refused to take playmakers.
When you think of Zumba, what do you see? Missed tackle after missed tackle on running plays, injuries, admission that he doesn't play hard on every down, and a self-imposed vacation due to a fantasy concussion. What do you think of when you envision Coleman? Dropped pass after dropped pass. A chance to beat the Steelers, a perfectly thrown ball............... he drops it and what do browns fans say...........?????? "That idiot Kizer could have run". LMAO. This is not just the worst franchise in the history of the NFL, Browns fans are without a doubt, the dumbest fuucking fans on the face of the planet.
The team doesn't have one playmaker, Gordon sure as hell isn't a top reciever. SO yeah, draft Darnold, and let him throw to nobody.
The Browns need to trade next years #1, along with Garrett and Coleman and with #1, #2, and #4(or 5) gor QB, Barkely and WR. nything else, is another blown, wasted draft.
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Tom-this is the best RB in the draft. 7.9 ypc and good hands the few times they threw to him. But they will have to trade up around 20 or so to get him in the 1st. Take a better D player @ #4 and make the trade for Michel. Best 3rd down back out there.
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Zombo said:
I find it amazing folks aren't more excited about this guy. He's a game-changer.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/saquon-barkley?id=32462018-0002-5599-01e7-82f405a9a7e5
I think the only other running backs I have ever pimped pre-draft were Adrian Peterson and Shaun Alexander and they met expectations and surpassed them. I rarely promote running backs (hated Richardson) but this guy is lightning in a bottle.
So basically you've missed a lot of great RB prospects?
Both your comps trucked defenders in college... DBs and LBs. Don't see that from Barky... at most see him run thru arm-tackles... usually by DBs.
Plus if he turned out to be Alexander...
For me even if the talent is undeniable (debateable), the positional value is not there and the fall off to the next best options is not that great. The latter amplified by the platoon-ibility of the position.
So basically you've missed a lot of great RB prospects?
Both your comps trucked defenders in college... DBs and LBs. Don't see that from Barky... at most see him run thru arm-tackles... usually by DBs.
Plus if he turned out to be Alexander...
For me even if the talent is undeniable (debateable), the positional value is not there and the fall off to the next best options is not that great. The latter amplified by the platoon-ibility of the position.
First of all, I only pimp one or two prospects a year, I don't pretend to be any kind of expert, I don't go back and watch tape, etc., I just see one or two guys that I think will be excellent pros and that's "my guy" ... so I haven't missed a lot of RB prospects, because I'm not evaluating prospects in the normal fashion. I don't participate in the mock drafts, because I'm not studying guys past the Browns first round ...
You want someone to "truck" defenders, you've got Carlos Hyde on a nice three year deal. You want to score touchdowns, exploits seams, force defenses to cover the gaps and put their best pass defenders on a running back .. then what you've got there is a playmaker named Barkley.
Alexander was a late-first round draft prospect that I liked ... that ran for 10,000 yards and helped Matt Hasslebeck to the Super Bowl. Barkley is THE best prospect in this draft ... BPA ... different animal.
This "Positional value" argument is so 2014. Before Leonard Fournette, Zeke Elliot, and Todd Gurley got drafted in the Top Ten, blazed through NFL defense and got their teams back in the playoffs.
Yes, good RBs can be found later. A great one is staring us in the face.
Zombo
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So basically you've missed a lot of great RB prospects?
Both your comps trucked defenders in college... DBs and LBs. Don't see that from Barky... at most see him run thru arm-tackles... usually by DBs.
Plus if he turned out to be Alexander...
For me even if the talent is undeniable (debateable), the positional value is not there and the fall off to the next best options is not that great. The latter amplified by the platoon-ibility of the position.
First of all, I only pimp one or two prospects a year, I don't pretend to be any kind of expert, I don't go back and watch tape, etc., I just see one or two guys that I think will be excellent pros and that's "my guy" ... so I haven't missed a lot of RB prospects, because I'm not evaluating prospects in the normal fashion. I don't participate in the mock drafts, because I'm not studying guys past the Browns first round ...
You want someone to "truck" defenders, you've got Carlos Hyde on a nice three year deal. You want to score touchdowns, exploits seams, force defenses to cover the gaps and put their best pass defenders on a running back .. then what you've got there is a playmaker named Barkley.
Alexander was a late-first round draft prospect that I liked ... that ran for 10,000 yards and helped Matt Hasslebeck to the Super Bowl. Barkley is THE best prospect in this draft ... BPA ... different animal.
This "Positional value" argument is so 2014. Before Leonard Fournette, Zeke Elliot, and Todd Gurley got drafted in the Top Ten, blazed through NFL defense and got their teams back in the playoffs.
Yes, good RBs can be found later. A great one is staring us in the face.
Zombo
Zombo said:
First of all, I only pimp one or two prospects a year, I don't pretend to be any kind of expert, I don't go back and watch tape, etc., I just see one or two guys that I think will be excellent pros and that's "my guy" ... so I haven't missed a lot of RB prospects, because I'm not evaluating prospects in the normal fashion. I don't participate in the mock drafts, because I'm not studying guys past the Browns first round ...
You want someone to "truck" defenders, you've got Carlos Hyde on a nice three year deal. You want to score touchdowns, exploits seams, force defenses to cover the gaps and put their best pass defenders on a running back .. then what you've got there is a playmaker named Barkley.
Alexander was a late-first round draft prospect that I liked ... that ran for 10,000 yards and helped Matt Hasslebeck to the Super Bowl. Barkley is THE best prospect in this draft ... BPA ... different animal.
This "Positional value" argument is so 2014. Before Leonard Fournette, Zeke Elliot, and Todd Gurley got drafted in the Top Ten, blazed through NFL defense and got their teams back in the playoffs.
Yes, good RBs can be found later. A great one is staring us in the face.
Zombo
Z this is the best group of RBs in one draft for years, any of which could be that guy you look for. Take a defender early and a RB later. All of these guys are excellent at setting up and firing off blocks. None of them run up the OL tailpipe like Crow tended to do. We will have a far better running game with any of several available. It's not a deal-breaker to pass on Barkley.
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