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  • @tour2ma said:

    And don't get me started on Farve...

    I’m more than a little intrigued by this sentence....

    @londonbrown said:

    I’m more than a little intrigued by this sentence....

    200 wins, 500 Tds, 70,000 yards, 2 Super Bowls, 1 Ring, great arm, mad scrambling ability, exciting player, loved by teammates ... was he going to say something bad?

    636061234011652639-HOF-Farve-bunny-ears.

    Zombo

  • @mjp28 said:

    This might be the most second guessed QB draft in NFL history. 

    Goff-Wentz would give it a run for its money.

    Plus more QBs this year, so more "guessed-es"...

    @tour2ma said:

    Goff-Wentz would give it a run for its money.

    Plus more QBs this year, so more "guessed-es"...

    I've seen at least 5 of this year's QB class ranked the #1 pick by various prognosticators, check out this little tidbit from SB NATION, wide but not deep?

    https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/4/5/17046116/2018-nfl-draft-quarterbacks-josh-allen-sam-darnold-projections-hype

    There’s a new approach to NFL QB projections — and the 2018 draft class is in trouble

    Looking for a quarterback’s NFL ceiling? Look no further than college stats.

    By Bill Connelly@SBN_BillC  Apr 5, 2018, 9:00am EDT

    Screenshot_2018-04-16-11-43-21.png

  • @tour2ma said:

    Goff-Wentz would give it a run for its money.

    Plus more QBs this year, so more "guessed-es"...

    I've seen at least 5 of this year's QB class ranked the #1 pick by various prognosticators, check out this little tidbit from SB NATION, wide but not deep?

    https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/4/5/17046116/2018-nfl-draft-quarterbacks-josh-allen-sam-darnold-projections-hype

    There’s a new approach to NFL QB projections — and the 2018 draft class is in trouble

    Looking for a quarterback’s NFL ceiling? Look no further than college stats.

    By Bill Connelly@SBN_BillC  Apr 5, 2018, 9:00am EDT

    Screenshot_2018-04-16-11-43-21.png

    @mjp28 said:

    I've seen at least 5 of this year's QB class ranked the #1 pick by various prognosticators, check out this little tidbit from SB NATION, wide but not deep?

    Screenshot_2018-04-16-11-43-21.png

    Lamar Jackson and Josh Rosen most closely compares to Brandon Weeden?  That is a fresh take.   And Allen compared to Tebow?  Where does that come from?

    Sam Darnold on par with Colt McCoy?   Sadly....that actually sounds completely plausible.

  • @mjp28 said:

    I've seen at least 5 of this year's QB class ranked the #1 pick by various prognosticators, check out this little tidbit from SB NATION, wide but not deep?

    Screenshot_2018-04-16-11-43-21.png

    Lamar Jackson and Josh Rosen most closely compares to Brandon Weeden?  That is a fresh take.   And Allen compared to Tebow?  Where does that come from?

    Sam Darnold on par with Colt McCoy?   Sadly....that actually sounds completely plausible.

    @the-gipper said:

    Lamar Jackson and Josh Rosen most closely compares to Brandon Weeden?  That is a fresh take.   And Allen compared to Tebow?  Where does that come from?

    Sam Darnold on par with Colt McCoy?   Sadly....that actually sounds completely plausible.

    It's a bunch of numbers just shifted around to give a new look on this year's QB free for all but there are some unusual results.

    Allen compares with Kizer? Tools maybe. What a year!

  • @londonbrown said:

    I’m more than a little intrigued by this sentence....

    200 wins, 500 Tds, 70,000 yards, 2 Super Bowls, 1 Ring, great arm, mad scrambling ability, exciting player, loved by teammates ... was he going to say something bad?

    636061234011652639-HOF-Farve-bunny-ears.

    Zombo

    Zombo said:

    200 wins, 500 Tds, 70,000 yards, 2 Super Bowls, 1 Ring, great arm, mad scrambling ability, exciting player, loved by teammates ... was he going to say something bad?

    Never stopped me before...

    By far Favre cost the Pack more Super Bowls than he won them. The only one they won when he was there was because Reggie White explained things to him so even Brett could understand it.

    Brett Favre is the worst excuse for a QB in the HoF.

  • Zombo said:

    200 wins, 500 Tds, 70,000 yards, 2 Super Bowls, 1 Ring, great arm, mad scrambling ability, exciting player, loved by teammates ... was he going to say something bad?

    Never stopped me before...

    By far Favre cost the Pack more Super Bowls than he won them. The only one they won when he was there was because Reggie White explained things to him so even Brett could understand it.

    Brett Favre is the worst excuse for a QB in the HoF.

    @tour2ma said:

    Never stopped me before...

    By far Favre cost the Pack more Super Bowls than he won them. The only one they won when he was there was because Reggie White explained things to him so even Brett could understand it.

    Brett Favre is the worst excuse for a QB in the HoF.

    But John Madden loved Brett Farve, that has to count for something, eh?

    Farve was exciting!

  • Zombo said:

    200 wins, 500 Tds, 70,000 yards, 2 Super Bowls, 1 Ring, great arm, mad scrambling ability, exciting player, loved by teammates ... was he going to say something bad?

    Never stopped me before...

    By far Favre cost the Pack more Super Bowls than he won them. The only one they won when he was there was because Reggie White explained things to him so even Brett could understand it.

    Brett Favre is the worst excuse for a QB in the HoF.

    @tour2ma said:

    Never stopped me before...

    By far Favre cost the Pack more Super Bowls than he won them. The only one they won when he was there was because Reggie White explained things to him so even Brett could understand it.

    Brett Favre is the worst excuse for a QB in the HoF.

    An unconventional opinion that I love it 

  • Zombo said:

    200 wins, 500 Tds, 70,000 yards, 2 Super Bowls, 1 Ring, great arm, mad scrambling ability, exciting player, loved by teammates ... was he going to say something bad?

    Never stopped me before...

    By far Favre cost the Pack more Super Bowls than he won them. The only one they won when he was there was because Reggie White explained things to him so even Brett could understand it.

    Brett Favre is the worst excuse for a QB in the HoF.

    @tour2ma said:

    Never stopped me before...

    By far Favre cost the Pack more Super Bowls than he won them. The only one they won when he was there was because Reggie White explained things to him so even Brett could understand it.

    Brett Favre is the worst excuse for a QB in the HoF.

    Wow.

    He is my favorite non-Browns QB of all time.

    Zombo

  • Zombo said:

    200 wins, 500 Tds, 70,000 yards, 2 Super Bowls, 1 Ring, great arm, mad scrambling ability, exciting player, loved by teammates ... was he going to say something bad?

    Never stopped me before...

    By far Favre cost the Pack more Super Bowls than he won them. The only one they won when he was there was because Reggie White explained things to him so even Brett could understand it.

    Brett Favre is the worst excuse for a QB in the HoF.

    @tour2ma said:

    Never stopped me before...

    By far Favre cost the Pack more Super Bowls than he won them. The only one they won when he was there was because Reggie White explained things to him so even Brett could understand it.

    Brett Favre is the worst excuse for a QB in the HoF.

    Only if you're counting SB wins VS stats. Brady will be the unquestioned GOAT by that yardstick. BTW I have to disagree about Farve being the worst excuse (I looked) Y A Tittle.  🙂   

  • @tour2ma said:

    Never stopped me before...

    By far Favre cost the Pack more Super Bowls than he won them. The only one they won when he was there was because Reggie White explained things to him so even Brett could understand it.

    Brett Favre is the worst excuse for a QB in the HoF.

    Wow.

    He is my favorite non-Browns QB of all time.

    Zombo

    And one of those stats is career INTs where Favre is far and away #1 with 336... and has a 59 INT cushion on #2.

    Zombo said:

    Wow.

    He is my favorite non-Browns QB of all time.

    Zombo

    Not like we haven't discussed this before.

  • Zombo said:

    200 wins, 500 Tds, 70,000 yards, 2 Super Bowls, 1 Ring, great arm, mad scrambling ability, exciting player, loved by teammates ... was he going to say something bad?

    Never stopped me before...

    By far Favre cost the Pack more Super Bowls than he won them. The only one they won when he was there was because Reggie White explained things to him so even Brett could understand it.

    Brett Favre is the worst excuse for a QB in the HoF.

    @tour2ma said:

    Never stopped me before...

    By far Favre cost the Pack more Super Bowls than he won them. The only one they won when he was there was because Reggie White explained things to him so even Brett could understand it.

    Brett Favre is the worst excuse for a QB in the HoF.

    You are venturing into Cal/Rosen territory with unsubstantiated hate.

  • @calfoxwc said:

    Quote:   "There hasn't been a successful QB come out in years that had a completion percentage as low as 56%"

  • @tour2ma said:

    Never stopped me before...

    By far Favre cost the Pack more Super Bowls than he won them. The only one they won when he was there was because Reggie White explained things to him so even Brett could understand it.

    Brett Favre is the worst excuse for a QB in the HoF.

    Only if you're counting SB wins VS stats. Brady will be the unquestioned GOAT by that yardstick. BTW I have to disagree about Farve being the worst excuse (I looked) Y A Tittle.  🙂   

    @hoorta said:

    Only if you're counting SB wins VS stats. Brady will be the unquestioned GOAT by that yardstick. BTW I have to disagree about Farve being the worst excuse (I looked) Y A Tittle.  🙂   

    Here is the list of (modern day) QBs.....in the HOF.

    Tell who is unworthy of being in there:

    Modern Era: Quarterbacks (26)

    Troy Aikman 1989-2000
    George Blanda (Also PK) 1949-1958, 1960-1975
    Terry Bradshaw 1970-1983
    Len Dawson 1957-1975
    John Elway 1983-1998
    Brett Favre 1991-2010
    Dan Fouts 1973-1987
    Otto Graham 1946-1955
    Bob Griese 1967-1980
    Sonny Jurgensen 1957-1974
    Jim Kelly 1986-1996
    Bobby Layne 1948-1962
    Dan Marino 1983-1999
    Joe Montana 1979-1994
    Warren Moon 1984-2000
    Joe Namath 1965-1977
    Ken Stabler 1970-1984
    Bart Starr 1956-1971
    Roger Staubach 1969-1979
    Fran Tarkenton 1961-1978
    Y.A. Tittle 1948-1964
    Johnny Unitas 1956-1973
    Norm Van Brocklin 1949-1960
    Kurt Warner 1998-2009
    Bob Waterfield 1945-1952
    Steve Young 1985-1999
     
    Also, add these "old timers"  Any unworthy?
     
    Sammy Baugh (QB) 1937-1952
    Earl Clark (QB) 1931-1932, 1934-1938
    Jimmy Conzelman (QB) # 1920-1929
    John Driscoll (QB) 1920-1929
    Benny Friedman 1927-1934
    Arnie Herber (QB) 1930-1940, 1944-1945
    Sid Luckman (QB) 1939-1950
    Clarence (Ace) Parker (QB) 1937-141, 1945-1946
    Fritz Pollard (Q😎 1919-1926
     
    I personally have no issue with any of them.  There are a couple that, imo, might should be in that are not....Ken Anderson ,   McNabb, Brodie, Gabriel....arguable.
     
  • @tour2ma said:

    Never stopped me before...

    By far Favre cost the Pack more Super Bowls than he won them. The only one they won when he was there was because Reggie White explained things to him so even Brett could understand it.

    Brett Favre is the worst excuse for a QB in the HoF.

    You are venturing into Cal/Rosen territory with unsubstantiated hate.

    @the-gipper said:

    You are venturing into Cal/Rosen territory with unsubstantiated hate.

    The Reggie White story is well documented in a 330 for 30 IIRC.

    His INT total is in the record book.

  • I'm not going to dive into stats, but I think that one of Favre's main assets was his attitude and competitiveness. 

    Having such a great leader able to play under such pain non-stop for so many years I believe makes up for his gunslinger flaws. 

  • Greg Cosell on Josh Allen

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  • The weaknesses scream DeShone Kizer to me 

  • @the-gipper said:

    You are venturing into Cal/Rosen territory with unsubstantiated hate.

    The Reggie White story is well documented in a 330 for 30 IIRC.

    His INT total is in the record book.

    @tour2ma said:

    The Reggie White story is well documented in a 330 for 30 IIRC.

    His INT total is in the record book.

    The word  angels, dancing, head of pin come to mind.

  • @tour2ma said:

    The Reggie White story is well documented in a 330 for 30 IIRC.

    His INT total is in the record book.

    The word  angels, dancing, head of pin come to mind.

    @the-gipper said:

    The word  angels, dancing, head of pin come to mind.

    The word "ignore" comes to mind.

  • @the-gipper said:

    The word  angels, dancing, head of pin come to mind.

    The word "ignore" comes to mind.

    @tour2ma said:

    The word "ignore" comes to mind.

    The root of "ignor-ant".