How Can/Will The Browns Blow It? Or Not?
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Has anyone taken a peek at the Browns official site?.. They have videos of Josh Allen all over the front page.. I don't know about the rest of you all.. But that just makes me a tad nervous....
Smokescreen?
Smokescreen?
I would certainly hope that's all it is
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Two more developing issues from Dorsey's presser: 1.)This, more eye popping than the other,maybe. Trading or not taking your QB choice at #1? Since 1970, 21 QB's have been picked 1st overall.8 have won a SB.Three (4 counting P.Manning) are in the HOF.4 are complete Busts. Basically we have a 3 in 1 chance of getting a really good QB staying & choosing QB at #1. I'd almost bet there weren't 4 hyped up QB's like in this class in any of those years..2.) Taking a QB that fits into your already "Offensive designed Packages", may not get us the best accual QB in this draft? Taking the best QB than playing up to his best offensive skill sets may not need the red hammers to put square blocks into round holes..
1- Jared Goff - looks like a keeper. Rams are a promising team for 2018.
2 -Jam Winston - Bust. Terrible QB draft. Mariota is fair.
3- Andy Luck - Always injured
4- Cam Newton - Better than average. Made it to a Super Bowl and choked.
5- Sam Bradford - Always injured.
6- Matt Stafford - Better than average.
7- Jamarcus Russel - Bust
8- Alex Smith - Better than average
9- E Manning - Enough said.
10- Carson Palmer - Better than average.
11- David Carr - Bust from day 1.
12- Mike Vick - Bust. Tarkentons dont make it in todays NFL, but some teams think that they do.
13- Tim Couch - Enough said.
14- P Manning - HOF Enough said.
15- Drew Bledsoe - Better than average.
16- Jeff George - Bust.
17- Troy Aikman - HOF Enough said.
18- Vinny Testaverde - Better than average.
19- Bernie Kosar -
20- Steve Young - HOF
21- John Elway - HOF
Available in the 2018 draft I take 1 of these 7 - Elway, Young, Kosar, Aikman, P Manning, E Manning and Jared Goff.
GM grounds for firing on draft day if 1 of these 6 - Couch, George, Carr, Vick, Russel and Winston.
Post season QBs these 5 - Testaverde, Palmer, Luck, Newton and Smith.
Overrated these 3- Bledsoe, Stafford and Bradford. Luck too.
1- Jared Goff - looks like a keeper. Rams are a promising team for 2018.
2 -Jam Winston - Bust. Terrible QB draft. Mariota is fair.
3- Andy Luck - Always injured
4- Cam Newton - Better than average. Made it to a Super Bowl and choked.
5- Sam Bradford - Always injured.
6- Matt Stafford - Better than average.
7- Jamarcus Russel - Bust
8- Alex Smith - Better than average
9- E Manning - Enough said.
10- Carson Palmer - Better than average.
11- David Carr - Bust from day 1.
12- Mike Vick - Bust. Tarkentons dont make it in todays NFL, but some teams think that they do.
13- Tim Couch - Enough said.
14- P Manning - HOF Enough said.
15- Drew Bledsoe - Better than average.
16- Jeff George - Bust.
17- Troy Aikman - HOF Enough said.
18- Vinny Testaverde - Better than average.
19- Bernie Kosar -
20- Steve Young - HOF
21- John Elway - HOF
Available in the 2018 draft I take 1 of these 7 - Elway, Young, Kosar, Aikman, P Manning, E Manning and Jared Goff.
GM grounds for firing on draft day if 1 of these 6 - Couch, George, Carr, Vick, Russel and Winston.
Post season QBs these 5 - Testaverde, Palmer, Luck, Newton and Smith.
Overrated these 3- Bledsoe, Stafford and Bradford. Luck too.
Inny Testicle turdie was lazy.. never watched film as much as he shouldve.. He had bad work habits... Couldnt read defenses to save his soul...Was a turnover machine.. He sucked!
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1- Jared Goff - looks like a keeper. Rams are a promising team for 2018.
2 -Jam Winston - Bust. Terrible QB draft. Mariota is fair.
3- Andy Luck - Always injured
4- Cam Newton - Better than average. Made it to a Super Bowl and choked.
5- Sam Bradford - Always injured.
6- Matt Stafford - Better than average.
7- Jamarcus Russel - Bust
8- Alex Smith - Better than average
9- E Manning - Enough said.
10- Carson Palmer - Better than average.
11- David Carr - Bust from day 1.
12- Mike Vick - Bust. Tarkentons dont make it in todays NFL, but some teams think that they do.
13- Tim Couch - Enough said.
14- P Manning - HOF Enough said.
15- Drew Bledsoe - Better than average.
16- Jeff George - Bust.
17- Troy Aikman - HOF Enough said.
18- Vinny Testaverde - Better than average.
19- Bernie Kosar -
20- Steve Young - HOF
21- John Elway - HOF
Available in the 2018 draft I take 1 of these 7 - Elway, Young, Kosar, Aikman, P Manning, E Manning and Jared Goff.
GM grounds for firing on draft day if 1 of these 6 - Couch, George, Carr, Vick, Russel and Winston.
Post season QBs these 5 - Testaverde, Palmer, Luck, Newton and Smith.
Overrated these 3- Bledsoe, Stafford and Bradford. Luck too.
Inny Testicle turdie was lazy.. never watched film as much as he shouldve.. He had bad work habits... Couldnt read defenses to save his soul...Was a turnover machine.. He sucked!
Inny Testicle turdie was lazy.. never watched film as much as he shouldve.. He had bad work habits... Couldnt read defenses to save his soul...Was a turnover machine.. He sucked!
I can disprove most of that with two words.... Bill Belichick.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I can disprove most of that with two words.... Bill Belichick.
Or, just use his stats....not that they are great....but a guy doesn't play 20 years by being a complete bum:
Passing
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV Career 233 214 90-123-1 3787 6701 56.5 46233 275 4.1 267 4.0 89 6.9 5.9 12.2 198.4 75.0 417 2992 6.07 5.16 5.9 29 33 142 7 yrs NYJ 65 61 35-26-0 1094 1854 59.0 12497 77 4.2 58 3.1 82 6.7 6.2 11.4 192.3 80.2 77 545 6.19 5.64 4.0 14 13 42 6 yrs TAM 76 72 24-48-0 1126 2160 52.1 14820 77 3.6 112 5.2 89 6.9 5.2 13.2 195.0 64.4 197 1549 5.63 4.15 8.4 8 9 41 3 yrs CLE 37 31 16-15-0 578 998 57.9 7255 47 4.7 37 3.7 81 7.3 6.5 12.6 196.1 80.9 46 271 6.69 6.00 4.4 1 3 24 2 yrs BAL 29 29 8-20-1 596 1019 58.5 7148 51 5.0 34 3.3 86 7.0 6.5 12.0 246.5 82.8 54 399 6.29 5.81 5.0 3 4 25 1 yr CAR 7 6 2-4-0 94 172 54.7 952 5 2.9 6 3.5 65 5.5 4.5 10.1 136.0 65.8 9 46 5.01 4.07 5.0 1 1 0 1 yr DAL 16 15 5-10-0 297 495 60.0 3532 17 3.4 20 4.0 53 7.1 6.0 11.9 220.8 76.4 34 182 6.33 5.27 6.4 2 3 10 1 yr NWE 3 0 2 3 66.7 29 1 33.3 0 0.0 23 9.7 16.3 14.5 9.7 137.5 0 0 9.67 16.33 0.0 0 1987 24 TAM qb 14 6 4 0-4-0 71 165 43.0 1081 5 3.0 6 3.6 40 6.6 5.5 15.2 180.2 60.2 18 140 5.14 4.21 9.8 4 1988 25 TAM QB 14 15 15 5-10-0 222 466 47.6 3240 13 2.8 35 7.5 59 7.0 4.1 14.6 216.0 48.8 33 292 5.91 3.27 6.6 2 3 6 1989 26 TAM QB 14 14 14 5-9-0 258 480 53.8 3133 20 4.2 22 4.6 78 6.5 5.3 12.1 223.8 68.9 38 294 5.48 4.34 7.3 2 2 9 1990 27 TAM QB 14 14 13 6-7-0 203 365 55.6 2818 17 4.7 18 4.9 89 7.7 6.4 13.9 201.3 75.6 38 330 6.17 5.01 9.4 3 3 9 1991 28 TAM QB 14 13 12 3-9-0 166 326 50.9 1994 8 2.5 15 4.6 87 6.1 4.5 12.0 153.4 59.0 35 234 4.88 3.45 9.7 4 1992 29 TAM QB 14 14 14 5-9-0 206 358 57.5 2554 14 3.9 16 4.5 81 7.1 5.9 12.4 182.4 74.2 35 259 5.84 4.72 8.9 1 1 9 1993 30 CLE QB 12 10 6 3-3-0 130 230 56.5 1797 14 6.1 9 3.9 62 7.8 7.3 13.8 179.7 85.7 17 101 6.87 6.36 6.9 1 1 7 1994 31 CLE QB 12 14 13 9-4-0 207 376 55.1 2575 16 4.3 18 4.8 81 6.8 5.5 12.4 183.9 70.7 12 83 6.42 5.16 3.1 0 1 8 1995 32 CLE QB 12 13 12 4-8-0 241 392 61.5 2883 17 4.3 10 2.6 70 7.4 7.1 12.0 221.8 87.8 17 87 6.84 6.57 4.2 0 1 9 1996* 33 BAL QB 12 16 16 4-12-0 325 549 59.2 4177 33 6.0 19 3.5 86 7.6 7.3 12.9 261.1 88.7 34 270 6.70 6.37 5.8 2 3 16 1997 34 BAL QB 12 13 13 4-8-1 271 470 57.7 2971 18 3.8 15 3.2 54 6.3 5.7 11.0 228.5 75.9 20 129 5.80 5.16 4.1 1 1 9 1998* 35 NYJ QB 16 14 13 12-1-0 259 421 61.5 3256 29 6.9 7 1.7 82 7.7 8.4 12.6 232.6 101.6 19 140 7.08 7.68 4.3 3 3 14 1999 36 NYJ qb 16 1 1 0-1-0 10 15 66.7 96 1 6.7 1 6.7 27 6.4 4.7 9.6 96.0 78.7 0 0 6.40 4.73 0.0 0 2000 37 NYJ QB 16 16 16 9-7-0 328 590 55.6 3732 21 3.6 25 4.2 63 6.3 5.1 11.4 233.3 69.0 13 71 6.07 4.90 2.2 4 4 9 2001 38 NYJ QB 16 16 16 10-6-0 260 441 59.0 2752 15 3.4 14 3.2 40 6.2 5.5 10.6 172.0 75.3 18 122 5.73 5.01 3.9 5 5 10 2002 39 NYJ qb 16 5 4 1-3-0 54 83 65.1 499 3 3.6 3 3.6 35 6.0 5.1 9.2 99.8 78.3 9 62 4.75 3.93 9.8 1 0 2 2003 40 NYJ qb 16 7 7 2-5-0 123 198 62.1 1385 7 3.5 2 1.0 61 7.0 7.2 11.3 197.9 90.6 6 48 6.55 6.80 2.9 1 1 5 2004 41 DAL QB 16 16 15 5-10-0 297 495 60.0 3532 17 3.4 20 4.0 53 7.1 6.0 11.9 220.8 76.4 34 182 6.33 5.27 6.4 2 3 10 2005 42 NYJ qb 16 6 4 1-3-0 60 106 56.6 777 1 0.9 6 5.7 47 7.3 5.0 13.0 129.5 59.4 12 102 5.72 3.60 10.2 2 2006 43 NWE 14 3 0 2 3 66.7 29 1 33.3 0 0.0 23 9.7 16.3 14.5 9.7 137.5 99.9 0 0 9.67 16.33 0.0 0 2007 44 CAR qb 16 7 6 2-4-0 94 172 54.7 952 5 2.9 6 3.5 65 5.5 4.5 10.1 136.0 65.8 33.8 9 46 5.01 4.07 5.0 1 1 0 -
Vinny's TD to Int. ration for his career was about 1:1. Not good for these days....and not really good for a lot of the time he played. Still, he managed over 46000 yards passing, which is good for 13th all time.
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I still think he sucked.. I remember when he went to Miami.. Jimmy Johnson use to rag on him for not doing film study..He was more worried about getting his schwanse lit...
I still think he sucked.. I remember when he went to Miami.. Jimmy Johnson use to rag on him for not doing film study..He was more worried about getting his schwanse lit...
How would you even know that?
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How would you even know that?
I saw an interview with JJ a long time ago.. He has said it himself...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Vinny's TD to Int. ration for his career was about 1:1. Not good for these days....and not really good for a lot of the time he played. Still, he managed over 46000 yards passing, which is good for 13th all time.
Vinny's TD to Int. ration for his career was about 1:1. Not good for these days....and not really good for a lot of the time he played. Still, he managed over 46000 yards passing, which is good for 13th all time.
Plus career 56% completions. As they said in Tampa, Vinny is just good enough to get you beat...
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How would you even know that?
I saw an interview with JJ a long time ago.. He has said it himself...
I saw an interview with JJ a long time ago.. He has said it himself...
I mean the part about getting laid. Doubt that Jimmy Johnson said that.
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Vinny's TD to Int. ration for his career was about 1:1. Not good for these days....and not really good for a lot of the time he played. Still, he managed over 46000 yards passing, which is good for 13th all time.
Plus career 56% completions. As they said in Tampa, Vinny is just good enough to get you beat...
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Does the 105 mean they find him to be the 105th best prospect available in this draft? I have heard reports to that effect before....but the allure of his big arm will give him a much higher draft slotting. Maybe this just goes to show the reaching that is happening these days for QBs.
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How would you even know that?
I saw an interview with JJ a long time ago.. He has said it himself...
I saw an interview with JJ a long time ago.. He has said it himself...
So Bill B. brought Vinny to three different teams despite terrible preparation???
Does that sound right to you?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I mean the part about getting laid. Doubt that Jimmy Johnson said that.
He eluded to something on that order.. I can't remember verbatim... But Jimmy had a way of saying what he felt...
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So Bill B. brought Vinny to three different teams despite terrible preparation???
Does that sound right to you?
Tour- all time W-L, 90-123-1. Turrible, just turrible. Sure, he played on some bad teams, but I'd still take Archie Manning over Vinny.
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We're talkin' preparation, h....
Sorry... couldn't help myself....
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
1- Jared Goff - looks like a keeper. Rams are a promising team for 2018.
2 -Jam Winston - Bust. Terrible QB draft. Mariota is fair.
3- Andy Luck - Always injured
4- Cam Newton - Better than average. Made it to a Super Bowl and choked.
5- Sam Bradford - Always injured.
6- Matt Stafford - Better than average.
7- Jamarcus Russel - Bust
8- Alex Smith - Better than average
9- E Manning - Enough said.
10- Carson Palmer - Better than average.
11- David Carr - Bust from day 1.
12- Mike Vick - Bust. Tarkentons dont make it in todays NFL, but some teams think that they do.
13- Tim Couch - Enough said.
14- P Manning - HOF Enough said.
15- Drew Bledsoe - Better than average.
16- Jeff George - Bust.
17- Troy Aikman - HOF Enough said.
18- Vinny Testaverde - Better than average.
19- Bernie Kosar -
20- Steve Young - HOF
21- John Elway - HOF
Available in the 2018 draft I take 1 of these 7 - Elway, Young, Kosar, Aikman, P Manning, E Manning and Jared Goff.
GM grounds for firing on draft day if 1 of these 6 - Couch, George, Carr, Vick, Russel and Winston.
Post season QBs these 5 - Testaverde, Palmer, Luck, Newton and Smith.
Overrated these 3- Bledsoe, Stafford and Bradford. Luck too.
Kudos to you for recognizing that Steve Young and Bernie Kosar were taken with the equivalent of the #1 overall pick of the draft.
But I think it is a bit early to judge Winston. And Vick had some very productive....and winning years.
I also give both Carr and Couch a bit of a break. Both Carr and Couch were the first pick of teams that up to that point were just paper teams. And in Couch's case he took the team to the playoffs in 3 years....even if he did not start the playoff game due to injuries. And, of course, it was injuries that curtailed his career.
Kudos to you for recognizing that Steve Young and Bernie Kosar were taken with the equivalent of the #1 overall pick of the draft.
But I think it is a bit early to judge Winston. And Vick had some very productive....and winning years.
I also give both Carr and Couch a bit of a break. Both Carr and Couch were the first pick of teams that up to that point were just paper teams. And in Couch's case he took the team to the playoffs in 3 years....even if he did not start the playoff game due to injuries. And, of course, it was injuries that curtailed his career.
Tampa will be looking for another QB in a couple of years when Winston doesnt deliver. Vick was overrated.
Carrs draft was terrible QB wise. Perhaps the thing that should have been done is sign a vet QB. Then take Julius Peppers or Dwight Freeney or Ed Reed or Lito Shepard @ # 1. Couch had 18 TDs and 18 INTs that season. I watched that playoff game vs the Steelers and Holcomb played really well. What I most remember about that game was the players convincing Davis to challenge a play that he never should have. Of course, he lost the challenge and IIRC a time out that was a factor in the game.
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ON NFL Net yesterday one of the commentators said that the QB bust will be whichever ones the Browns take because they are so good at identifying them (or something to that effect).
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