How Can/Will The Browns Blow It? Or Not?
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I still think he sucked.. I remember when he went to Miami.. Jimmy Johnson use to rag on him for not doing film study..He was more worried about getting his schwanse lit...
I still think he sucked.. I remember when he went to Miami.. Jimmy Johnson use to rag on him for not doing film study..He was more worried about getting his schwanse lit...
How would you even know that?
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How would you even know that?
I saw an interview with JJ a long time ago.. He has said it himself...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Vinny's TD to Int. ration for his career was about 1:1. Not good for these days....and not really good for a lot of the time he played. Still, he managed over 46000 yards passing, which is good for 13th all time.
Vinny's TD to Int. ration for his career was about 1:1. Not good for these days....and not really good for a lot of the time he played. Still, he managed over 46000 yards passing, which is good for 13th all time.
Plus career 56% completions. As they said in Tampa, Vinny is just good enough to get you beat...
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How would you even know that?
I saw an interview with JJ a long time ago.. He has said it himself...
I saw an interview with JJ a long time ago.. He has said it himself...
I mean the part about getting laid. Doubt that Jimmy Johnson said that.
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Vinny's TD to Int. ration for his career was about 1:1. Not good for these days....and not really good for a lot of the time he played. Still, he managed over 46000 yards passing, which is good for 13th all time.
Plus career 56% completions. As they said in Tampa, Vinny is just good enough to get you beat...
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Does the 105 mean they find him to be the 105th best prospect available in this draft? I have heard reports to that effect before....but the allure of his big arm will give him a much higher draft slotting. Maybe this just goes to show the reaching that is happening these days for QBs.
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How would you even know that?
I saw an interview with JJ a long time ago.. He has said it himself...
I saw an interview with JJ a long time ago.. He has said it himself...
So Bill B. brought Vinny to three different teams despite terrible preparation???
Does that sound right to you?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I mean the part about getting laid. Doubt that Jimmy Johnson said that.
He eluded to something on that order.. I can't remember verbatim... But Jimmy had a way of saying what he felt...
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So Bill B. brought Vinny to three different teams despite terrible preparation???
Does that sound right to you?
Tour- all time W-L, 90-123-1. Turrible, just turrible. Sure, he played on some bad teams, but I'd still take Archie Manning over Vinny.
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We're talkin' preparation, h....
Sorry... couldn't help myself....
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
1- Jared Goff - looks like a keeper. Rams are a promising team for 2018.
2 -Jam Winston - Bust. Terrible QB draft. Mariota is fair.
3- Andy Luck - Always injured
4- Cam Newton - Better than average. Made it to a Super Bowl and choked.
5- Sam Bradford - Always injured.
6- Matt Stafford - Better than average.
7- Jamarcus Russel - Bust
8- Alex Smith - Better than average
9- E Manning - Enough said.
10- Carson Palmer - Better than average.
11- David Carr - Bust from day 1.
12- Mike Vick - Bust. Tarkentons dont make it in todays NFL, but some teams think that they do.
13- Tim Couch - Enough said.
14- P Manning - HOF Enough said.
15- Drew Bledsoe - Better than average.
16- Jeff George - Bust.
17- Troy Aikman - HOF Enough said.
18- Vinny Testaverde - Better than average.
19- Bernie Kosar -
20- Steve Young - HOF
21- John Elway - HOF
Available in the 2018 draft I take 1 of these 7 - Elway, Young, Kosar, Aikman, P Manning, E Manning and Jared Goff.
GM grounds for firing on draft day if 1 of these 6 - Couch, George, Carr, Vick, Russel and Winston.
Post season QBs these 5 - Testaverde, Palmer, Luck, Newton and Smith.
Overrated these 3- Bledsoe, Stafford and Bradford. Luck too.
Kudos to you for recognizing that Steve Young and Bernie Kosar were taken with the equivalent of the #1 overall pick of the draft.
But I think it is a bit early to judge Winston. And Vick had some very productive....and winning years.
I also give both Carr and Couch a bit of a break. Both Carr and Couch were the first pick of teams that up to that point were just paper teams. And in Couch's case he took the team to the playoffs in 3 years....even if he did not start the playoff game due to injuries. And, of course, it was injuries that curtailed his career.
Kudos to you for recognizing that Steve Young and Bernie Kosar were taken with the equivalent of the #1 overall pick of the draft.
But I think it is a bit early to judge Winston. And Vick had some very productive....and winning years.
I also give both Carr and Couch a bit of a break. Both Carr and Couch were the first pick of teams that up to that point were just paper teams. And in Couch's case he took the team to the playoffs in 3 years....even if he did not start the playoff game due to injuries. And, of course, it was injuries that curtailed his career.
Tampa will be looking for another QB in a couple of years when Winston doesnt deliver. Vick was overrated.
Carrs draft was terrible QB wise. Perhaps the thing that should have been done is sign a vet QB. Then take Julius Peppers or Dwight Freeney or Ed Reed or Lito Shepard @ # 1. Couch had 18 TDs and 18 INTs that season. I watched that playoff game vs the Steelers and Holcomb played really well. What I most remember about that game was the players convincing Davis to challenge a play that he never should have. Of course, he lost the challenge and IIRC a time out that was a factor in the game.
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ON NFL Net yesterday one of the commentators said that the QB bust will be whichever ones the Browns take because they are so good at identifying them (or something to that effect).
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ON NFL Net yesterday one of the commentators said that the QB bust will be whichever ones the Browns take because they are so good at identifying them (or something to that effect).
ON NFL Net yesterday one of the commentators said that the QB bust will be whichever ones the Browns take because they are so good at identifying them (or something to that effect).
One of these drafts luck will change for the better.
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This should be the best Draft the Browns have had since they took Jim Brown. It is also the easiest draft to proceed properly.
1) There are three big, promising QBs available.There is no consensus as to which is best. Any, or all 3 of them may turn out to be great QBs. As lonf as the Browns get one of them, they will have satisfied the responsibility of taking a shot at a top QB prospect.
2) Barkley is the best player in the draft.
Barkley with #1. One of the top QBs left at #4.
ANy other move will be AGAIN, a draft that come back to make the Browns look stupid.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
Kudos to you for recognizing that Steve Young and Bernie Kosar were taken with the equivalent of the #1 overall pick of the draft.
But I think it is a bit early to judge Winston. And Vick had some very productive....and winning years.
I also give both Carr and Couch a bit of a break. Both Carr and Couch were the first pick of teams that up to that point were just paper teams. And in Couch's case he took the team to the playoffs in 3 years....even if he did not start the playoff game due to injuries. And, of course, it was injuries that curtailed his career.
Tampa will be looking for another QB in a couple of years when Winston doesnt deliver. Vick was overrated.
Carrs draft was terrible QB wise. Perhaps the thing that should have been done is sign a vet QB. Then take Julius Peppers or Dwight Freeney or Ed Reed or Lito Shepard @ # 1. Couch had 18 TDs and 18 INTs that season. I watched that playoff game vs the Steelers and Holcomb played really well. What I most remember about that game was the players convincing Davis to challenge a play that he never should have. Of course, he lost the challenge and IIRC a time out that was a factor in the game.
Tampa will be looking for another QB in a couple of years when Winston doesnt deliver. Vick was overrated.
Carrs draft was terrible QB wise. Perhaps the thing that should have been done is sign a vet QB. Then take Julius Peppers or Dwight Freeney or Ed Reed or Lito Shepard @ # 1. Couch had 18 TDs and 18 INTs that season. I watched that playoff game vs the Steelers and Holcomb played really well. What I most remember about that game was the players convincing Davis to challenge a play that he never should have. Of course, he lost the challenge and IIRC a time out that was a factor in the game.
Well...it WAS Couch who "lead" the team that year. Holcomb started a couple of games due to Couch's injuries, plus the playoff game. Torn Rotator Cuff AND torn Labrum caused Couch's demise.
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No. Player Age Pos G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD Team Total 26.3 16 9-7-0 338 552 61.2 3665 27 4.9 22 4.0 78 6.6 5.8 10.8 229.1 80.5 35 253 5.81 5.05 6.0 4 5 Opp Total 16 299 513 58.3 3441 20 3.9 17 3.3 6.7 6.00 11.5 215.1 77.8 28 172 6.0 5.4 5.2 2 Tim Couch 25 QB 14 14 8-6-0 273 443 61.6 2842 18 4.1 18 4.1 78 6.4 5.4 10.4 203.0 76.8 30 213 5.56 4.61 6.3 3 4 10 Kelly Holcomb 29 qb 4 2 1-1-0 64 106 60.4 790 8 7.5 4 3.8 44 7.5 7.3 12.3 197.5 92.9 5 40 6.76 6.58 4.5 1 1 85 Kevin Johnson 26 WR 16 15 1 2 50.0 33 1 50.0 0 0.0 33 16.5 26.5 33.0 2.1 135.4 0 0 16.50 26.50 0.0 88 Frisman Jackson 23 7 0 0 1 0.0 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0 39.6 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.0 -
ON NFL Net yesterday one of the commentators said that the QB bust will be whichever ones the Browns take because they are so good at identifying them (or something to that effect).
ON NFL Net yesterday one of the commentators said that the QB bust will be whichever ones the Browns take because they are so good at identifying them (or something to that effect).
Well.....that is in fact their track record. Of course, it is also hindsight.
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