Mason Rudolph
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Same things were said about Landry Jones and how Dobbs would develop blah blah blah. Rudolph will never be more than a fringe starter. I do not fear Mason Rudolph, in fact I hope you think he is the future, he is pedestrian.
No, they were not. I don't know how I feel about Rudolph. I certainly didn't believe we were going to draft a qb. However the steelers had a first round grade on him. They sure as hell didn't with Dobbs or Jones and no one, I repeat no one talked about Dobbs or Jones like they have talked about Rudolph.
No, they were not. I don't know how I feel about Rudolph. I certainly didn't believe we were going to draft a qb. However the steelers had a first round grade on him. They sure as hell didn't with Dobbs or Jones and no one, I repeat no one talked about Dobbs or Jones like they have talked about Rudolph.
If they had a 1st round grade on him why did they wait until the 3rd round to draft him? Typically most teams have around 15-20 players that have a 1st round grade. So I dont believe, no matter what they say, that they had a 1st round grade on him. I heard many Steelers fans high on Dobbs last year, that is until they saw him take the field in the pre-season. He was dreadful. Rudolph is the better talent coming out of college of the 3, but I heard many a Steelers fan high on Dobbs and he being the potential heir apparent. I think of a Rudolph as a better Landry.
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Ryan Mallett had a bad attitude didn't he?
WSS
Yes, sort of, but he cleaned it up after he was drafted.
There was some incident like pot, that made him drop into the 3rd round.
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The pressure really turned up on Ben and Tomlin now.
Super Bowl win this season or everything short of that is just failure.
Bens partially right. Its win now at all costs and quite frankly, Landry Jones played well when Ben was out last season.
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A really interesting article comparing Rudolph, Mayflower, Arnold, etc. as it pertains to 3rd down efficiency....from 3rd and short to 3rd and long.
Holy Toledo! Rudolph is a TD machine on 3rd down!...28!!!
Then your bubble bursts when you scroll down and see freakin Landry Jones blowing everyone away at 41.
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2018/05/steelers-stats-study-3rd-down-and-mason-rudolph/
. CAREER COLLEGE 3RD DOWN PASSING STATS
Mason Rudolph DISTANCE ATT COMP COMP% YDS YPA YPC TD INT RATE 1ST 1ST%A 1ST%C 15+ 25+ 3rd Total 338 191 56.5% 2920 8.6 15.3 28 7 152.3 145 42.9% 75.9% 72 31 1-3 To Go 46 34 73.9% 433 9.4 12.7 6 0 196.0 28 60.9% 82.4% 9 5 4-6 To Go 81 44 54.3% 699 8.6 15.9 8 1 156.9 38 46.9% 86.4% 15 8 7-9 To Go 85 49 57.6% 673 7.9 13.7 6 1 145.1 37 43.5% 75.5% 18 5 10+ To Go 126 64 50.8% 1115 8.8 17.4 8 5 138.1 42 33.3% 65.6% 30 13 Baker Mayfield DISTANCE ATT COMP COMP% YDS YPA YPC TD INT RATE 1ST 1ST%A 1ST%C 15+ 25+ 3rd Total 320 202 63.1% 2617 8.2 13.0 18 8 145.4 155 48.4% 76.7% 60 21 1-3 To Go 56 39 69.6% 363 6.5 9.3 3 0 141.8 36 64.3% 92.3% 6 1 4-6 To Go 98 66 67.3% 777 7.9 11.8 8 0 160.9 56 57.1% 84.8% 16 5 7-9 To Go 74 45 60.8% 767 10.4 17.0 6 3 166.5 36 48.6% 80.0% 19 9 10+ To Go 92 52 56.5% 710 7.7 13.7 1 5 114.1 27 29.3% 51.9% 19 6 Sam Darnold DISTANCE ATT COMP COMP% YDS YPA YPC TD INT RATE 1ST 1ST%A 1ST%C 15+ 25+ 3rd Total 206 123 59.7% 1539 7.5 12.5 12 5 136.8 90 43.7% 73.2% 39 12 1-3 To Go 28 17 60.7% 136 4.9 8.0 3 1 129.7 15 53.6% 88.2% 1 0 4-6 To Go 65 42 64.6% 553 8.5 13.2 3 0 151.3 33 50.8% 78.6% 12 6 7-9 To Go 49 26 53.1% 359 7.3 13.8 2 2 119.9 23 46.9% 88.5% 8 3 10+ To Go 64 38 59.4% 491 7.7 12.9 4 2 138.2 19 29.7% 50.0% 18 3 Josh Rosen DISTANCE ATT COMP COMP% YDS YPA YPC TD INT RATE 1ST 1ST%A 1ST%C 15+ 25+ 3rd Total 291 157 54.0% 2297 7.9 14.6 12 8 128.4 114 39.2% 72.6% 63 23 1-3 To Go 44 26 59.1% 413 9.4 15.9 2 1 148.4 24 54.5% 92.3% 8 5 4-6 To Go 90 44 48.9% 553 6.1 12.6 6 3 115.8 38 42.2% 86.4% 15 4 7-9 To Go 58 34 58.6% 429 7.4 12.6 2 0 132.1 20 34.5% 58.8% 12 4 10+ To Go 99 53 53.5% 902 9.1 17.0 2 4 128.7 32 32.3% 60.4% 28 10 Josh Allen DISTANCE ATT COMP COMP% YDS YPA YPC TD INT RATE 1ST 1ST%A 1ST%C 15+ 25+ 3rd Total 180 98 54.4% 1235 6.9 12.6 10 4 126.0 72 40.0% 73.5% 28 10 1-3 To Go 14 10 71.4% 115 8.2 11.5 0 0 140.4 8 57.1% 80.0% 3 1 4-6 To Go 61 34 55.7% 349 5.7 10.3 5 2 124.3 29 47.5% 85.3% 5 2 7-9 To Go 52 26 50.0% 264 5.1 10.2 2 2 97.6 16 30.8% 61.5% 5 1 10+ To Go 53 28 52.8% 507 9.6 18.1 3 0 151.9 19 35.8% 67.9% 15 6 Lamar Jackson DISTANCE ATT COMP COMP% YDS YPA YPC TD INT RATE 1ST 1ST%A 1ST%C 15+ 25+ 3rd Total 251 128 51.0% 1868 7.4 14.6 13 9 123.4 97 38.6% 75.8% 52 12 1-3 To Go 28 14 50.0% 269 9.6 19.2 1 1 135.3 14 50.0% 100.0% 7 3 4-6 To Go 63 38 60.3% 464 7.4 12.2 2 1 129.5 31 49.2% 81.6% 9 2 7-9 To Go 78 38 48.7% 527 6.8 13.9 8 4 129.1 28 35.9% 73.7% 14 4 10+ To Go 82 38 46.3% 608 7.4 16.0 2 3 109.4 24 29.3% 63.2% 22 3 Joshua Dobbs DISTANCE ATT COMP COMP% YDS YPA YPC TD INT RATE 1ST 1ST%A 1ST%C 15+ 25+ 3rd Total 287 145 50.5% 1780 6.2 12.3 14 12 110.4 102 35.5% 70.3% 44 13 1-3 To Go 33 20 60.6% 177 5.4 8.9 2 2 113.5 18 54.5% 90.0% 4 0 4-6 To Go 86 51 59.3% 492 5.7 9.6 5 2 121.9 37 43.0% 72.5% 10 2 7-9 To Go 83 37 44.6% 598 7.2 16.2 5 4 115.3 28 33.7% 75.7% 15 5 10+ To Go 85 37 43.5% 513 6.0 13.9 2 4 92.6 19 22.4% 51.4% 15 6 Landry Jones DISTANCE ATT COMP COMP% YDS YPA YPC TD INT RATE 1ST 1ST%A 1ST%C 15+ 25+ 3rd Total 548 309 56.4% 4191 7.6 13.6 41 13 140.6 218 39.8% 70.6% 110 37 1-3 To Go 85 57 67.1% 603 7.1 10.6 8 2 153.0 49 57.6% 86.0% 14 3 4-6 To Go 135 79 58.5% 906 6.7 11.5 9 6 128.0 59 43.7% 74.7% 22 8 7-9 To Go 145 79 54.5% 1033 7.1 13.1 10 3 132.9 57 39.3% 72.2% 28 9 10+ To Go 183 94 51.4% 1649 9.0 17.5 14 2 150.1 53 29.0% 56.4% 46 17 A really interesting article comparing Rudolph, Mayflower, Arnold, etc. as it pertains to 3rd down efficiency....from 3rd and short to 3rd and long.
Holy Toledo! Rudolph is a TD machine on 3rd down!...28!!!
Then your bubble bursts when you scroll down and see freakin Landry Jones blowing everyone away at 41.
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2018/05/steelers-stats-study-3rd-down-and-mason-rudolph/
. CAREER COLLEGE 3RD DOWN PASSING STATS
What jumps at me is how accurate Mayfield is. He really is a move the chains QB.
Rosens are on par with Allen. Kinda funny when the Allen haters loved Rosen because he was so much better.
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The pressure really turned up on Ben and Tomlin now.
Super Bowl win this season or everything short of that is just failure.
Bens partially right. Its win now at all costs and quite frankly, Landry Jones played well when Ben was out last season.
The pressure really turned up on Ben and Tomlin now.
Super Bowl win this season or everything short of that is just failure.
Bens partially right. Its win now at all costs and quite frankly, Landry Jones played well when Ben was out last season.
I've never really went along with the consensus among steeler fans that Landry Jones sucks.
He has performed as a good back-up should.
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No, they were not. I don't know how I feel about Rudolph. I certainly didn't believe we were going to draft a qb. However the steelers had a first round grade on him. They sure as hell didn't with Dobbs or Jones and no one, I repeat no one talked about Dobbs or Jones like they have talked about Rudolph.
If they had a 1st round grade on him why did they wait until the 3rd round to draft him? Typically most teams have around 15-20 players that have a 1st round grade. So I dont believe, no matter what they say, that they had a 1st round grade on him. I heard many Steelers fans high on Dobbs last year, that is until they saw him take the field in the pre-season. He was dreadful. Rudolph is the better talent coming out of college of the 3, but I heard many a Steelers fan high on Dobbs and he being the potential heir apparent. I think of a Rudolph as a better Landry.
If they had a 1st round grade on him why did they wait until the 3rd round to draft him? Typically most teams have around 15-20 players that have a 1st round grade. So I dont believe, no matter what they say, that they had a 1st round grade on him. I heard many Steelers fans high on Dobbs last year, that is until they saw him take the field in the pre-season. He was dreadful. Rudolph is the better talent coming out of college of the 3, but I heard many a Steelers fan high on Dobbs and he being the potential heir apparent. I think of a Rudolph as a better Landry.
Rudolph wasn't the only player the Steelers had a first round grade on. They waited till the third because they were obviously drafting based on immediate need.
When the 3rd came they traded up to get him.
I don't know about other teams, but many "experts" had a first round early second round grade on him. This was also a rich QB class.
An impressive list of successful late round QB's
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1154515-10-best-late-round-qb-selections-in-nfl-draft-history/
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If they had a 1st round grade on him why did they wait until the 3rd round to draft him? Typically most teams have around 15-20 players that have a 1st round grade. So I dont believe, no matter what they say, that they had a 1st round grade on him. I heard many Steelers fans high on Dobbs last year, that is until they saw him take the field in the pre-season. He was dreadful. Rudolph is the better talent coming out of college of the 3, but I heard many a Steelers fan high on Dobbs and he being the potential heir apparent. I think of a Rudolph as a better Landry.
Rudolph wasn't the only player the Steelers had a first round grade on. They waited till the third because they were obviously drafting based on immediate need.
When the 3rd came they traded up to get him.
I don't know about other teams, but many "experts" had a first round early second round grade on him. This was also a rich QB class.
An impressive list of successful late round QB's
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1154515-10-best-late-round-qb-selections-in-nfl-draft-history/
Rudolph wasn't the only player the Steelers had a first round grade on. They waited till the third because they were obviously drafting based on immediate need.
When the 3rd came they traded up to get him.
I don't know about other teams, but many "experts" had a first round early second round grade on him. This was also a rich QB class.
An impressive list of successful late round QB's
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1154515-10-best-late-round-qb-selections-in-nfl-draft-history/
Third isn't what I would call a 'late round'. The article you linked yourself pretty much shows that.
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Rudolph wasn't the only player the Steelers had a first round grade on. They waited till the third because they were obviously drafting based on immediate need.
When the 3rd came they traded up to get him.
I don't know about other teams, but many "experts" had a first round early second round grade on him. This was also a rich QB class.
An impressive list of successful late round QB's
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1154515-10-best-late-round-qb-selections-in-nfl-draft-history/
Third isn't what I would call a 'late round'. The article you linked yourself pretty much shows that.
Third isn't what I would call a 'late round'. The article you linked yourself pretty much shows that.
That's vey true.
Using that link I was just emphasizing that all good QB's are not 1st rounders..
I suppose I coulda Googled "successful 2nd/3rd round qb's".
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That's vey true.
Using that link I was just emphasizing that all good QB's are not 1st rounders..
I suppose I coulda Googled "successful 2nd/3rd round qb's".
I did that sort of thing on a number of threads. And, yes, there have been a number of successful 2d/3rd round QBs. But, statistically....a QB does have a much better chance of being successful if he is taken in round one.
This really goes for all positions. See this: The number of HOFers taken in round one is more than double that of players taken in any other round. (and note on this list...that about half of the second rounders here would have been in the Top 32...so first rounders today):
http://www.profootballhof.com/heroes-of-the-game/hall-of-famers-by-draft-round/
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That's vey true.
Using that link I was just emphasizing that all good QB's are not 1st rounders..
I suppose I coulda Googled "successful 2nd/3rd round qb's".
Gip did that. For every 3rd round Joe Montana, there's 5 Charlie Frye's and Colt McCoy's. For every 6th round Tom Brady there's 20 Spergon Wynn's. The stats say the higher you pick a QB, the better your odds, and even first round isn't a sure thing.
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That's vey true.
Using that link I was just emphasizing that all good QB's are not 1st rounders..
I suppose I coulda Googled "successful 2nd/3rd round qb's".
Gip did that. For every 3rd round Joe Montana, there's 5 Charlie Frye's and Colt McCoy's. For every 6th round Tom Brady there's 20 Spergon Wynn's. The stats say the higher you pick a QB, the better your odds, and even first round isn't a sure thing.
Gip did that. For every 3rd round Joe Montana, there's 5 Charlie Frye's and Colt McCoy's. For every 6th round Tom Brady there's 20 Spergon Wynn's. The stats say the higher you pick a QB, the better your odds, and even first round isn't a sure thing.
I think you'll find that in most positions, the percentage of hits and misses.
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For a guy that said that he might want to retire a while back, the selection of Mason Rudolph by the Steeler team seem to have him gripping......and griping over it:
https://nypost.com/2018/05/02/roethlisberger-doesnt-want-rudolph-to-take-over-anytime-soon/
For a guy that said that he might want to retire a while back, the selection of Mason Rudolph by the Steeler team seem to have him gripping......and griping over it:
https://nypost.com/2018/05/02/roethlisberger-doesnt-want-rudolph-to-take-over-anytime-soon/
Late to this party. Ben said he was going to retire because he wanted Haley gone. The minute he got the ax Ben said he wants to play another 3-5 seasons. Health will be the determining factor. I also have zero expectations for Rudolph and because he's not being forced to start we get to wait and see. The Steelers had a first round grade on him and drafted his go to guy in Washington. Brown is singing both their praises.
Either way the steelers don't need him to be a world beater anytime soon. He can sit and learn and develop.
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No, they were not. I don't know how I feel about Rudolph. I certainly didn't believe we were going to draft a qb. However the steelers had a first round grade on him. They sure as hell didn't with Dobbs or Jones and no one, I repeat no one talked about Dobbs or Jones like they have talked about Rudolph.
If they had a 1st round grade on him why did they wait until the 3rd round to draft him? Typically most teams have around 15-20 players that have a 1st round grade. So I dont believe, no matter what they say, that they had a 1st round grade on him. I heard many Steelers fans high on Dobbs last year, that is until they saw him take the field in the pre-season. He was dreadful. Rudolph is the better talent coming out of college of the 3, but I heard many a Steelers fan high on Dobbs and he being the potential heir apparent. I think of a Rudolph as a better Landry.
If they had a 1st round grade on him why did they wait until the 3rd round to draft him? Typically most teams have around 15-20 players that have a 1st round grade. So I dont believe, no matter what they say, that they had a 1st round grade on him. I heard many Steelers fans high on Dobbs last year, that is until they saw him take the field in the pre-season. He was dreadful. Rudolph is the better talent coming out of college of the 3, but I heard many a Steelers fan high on Dobbs and he being the potential heir apparent. I think of a Rudolph as a better Landry.
What steeler fans were high on Dobbs? I like Dobbs. He's a really smart guy but no one wanted a qb last season just as a good majority didn't want another this year. He lasted until the third because he wasn't a need pick but in the third the steelers obviously thought he was tremendous value. It ain't Shmucking rocket science. He fell to the third because we needed a safety and a receiver. The end.
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The pressure really turned up on Ben and Tomlin now.
Super Bowl win this season or everything short of that is just failure.
Bens partially right. Its win now at all costs and quite frankly, Landry Jones played well when Ben was out last season.
The pressure really turned up on Ben and Tomlin now.
Super Bowl win this season or everything short of that is just failure.
Bens partially right. Its win now at all costs and quite frankly, Landry Jones played well when Ben was out last season.
Every season they aren't in the super bowl is a damn failure. Who plays to get into the playoffs and lose? It's also win at all costs because Ben isn't getting any younger and the pieces are in place.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
The pressure really turned up on Ben and Tomlin now.
Super Bowl win this season or everything short of that is just failure.
Bens partially right. Its win now at all costs and quite frankly, Landry Jones played well when Ben was out last season.
Every season they aren't in the super bowl is a damn failure. Who plays to get into the playoffs and lose? It's also win at all costs because Ben isn't getting any younger and the pieces are in place.
Every season they aren't in the super bowl is a damn failure. Who plays to get into the playoffs and lose? It's also win at all costs because Ben isn't getting any younger and the pieces are in place.
Prediction/hypothesis: BR gets hammered and is injured and out....for most of the year.
Who do you want in there at QB from your roster?
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If they had a 1st round grade on him why did they wait until the 3rd round to draft him? Typically most teams have around 15-20 players that have a 1st round grade. So I dont believe, no matter what they say, that they had a 1st round grade on him. I heard many Steelers fans high on Dobbs last year, that is until they saw him take the field in the pre-season. He was dreadful. Rudolph is the better talent coming out of college of the 3, but I heard many a Steelers fan high on Dobbs and he being the potential heir apparent. I think of a Rudolph as a better Landry.
What steeler fans were high on Dobbs? I like Dobbs. He's a really smart guy but no one wanted a qb last season just as a good majority didn't want another this year. He lasted until the third because he wasn't a need pick but in the third the steelers obviously thought he was tremendous value. It ain't Shmucking rocket science. He fell to the third because we needed a safety and a receiver. The end.
What steeler fans were high on Dobbs? I like Dobbs. He's a really smart guy but no one wanted a qb last season just as a good majority didn't want another this year. He lasted until the third because he wasn't a need pick but in the third the steelers obviously thought he was tremendous value. It ain't Shmucking rocket science. He fell to the third because we needed a safety and a receiver. The end.
LOL, and the Browns have been doing "value picks" (Frye, McCoy, Weeden, Quinn, Manziel) almost exclusively since 1999. You had better hope the Steelers do better.
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What steeler fans were high on Dobbs? I like Dobbs. He's a really smart guy but no one wanted a qb last season just as a good majority didn't want another this year. He lasted until the third because he wasn't a need pick but in the third the steelers obviously thought he was tremendous value. It ain't Shmucking rocket science. He fell to the third because we needed a safety and a receiver. The end.
LOL, and the Browns have been doing "value picks" (Frye, McCoy, Weeden, Quinn, Manziel) almost exclusively since 1999. You had better hope the Steelers do better.
LOL, and the Browns have been doing "value picks" (Frye, McCoy, Weeden, Quinn, Manziel) almost exclusively since 1999. You had better hope the Steelers do better.
The steelers draft bpa the majority of the time. He was taken in the third round, I'm not too worried about it.
However every single one of those guys got tossed into starting too early, it's a recipe for failure everytime. Three of those guys were drafted in the first and imo of the three not one was a great value.
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Every season they aren't in the super bowl is a damn failure. Who plays to get into the playoffs and lose? It's also win at all costs because Ben isn't getting any younger and the pieces are in place.
Prediction/hypothesis: BR gets hammered and is injured and out....for most of the year.
Who do you want in there at QB from your roster?
Prediction/hypothesis: BR gets hammered and is injured and out....for most of the year.
Who do you want in there at QB from your roster?
I'm superstitious so I'm not touching this one. I assume Landry Jones is 2nd in command unless Rudolph beats him in camp. Landry is efficient.
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LOL, and the Browns have been doing "value picks" (Frye, McCoy, Weeden, Quinn, Manziel) almost exclusively since 1999. You had better hope the Steelers do better.
The steelers draft bpa the majority of the time. He was taken in the third round, I'm not too worried about it.
However every single one of those guys got tossed into starting too early, it's a recipe for failure everytime. Three of those guys were drafted in the first and imo of the three not one was a great value.
The steelers draft bpa the majority of the time. He was taken in the third round, I'm not too worried about it.
However every single one of those guys got tossed into starting too early, it's a recipe for failure everytime. Three of those guys were drafted in the first and imo of the three not one was a great value.
Yes, the Browns got unlucky with their draft picking of QBs...and the Steelers got lucky. They could have easily had the second coming of Joey Harrington or Akili Smith or Ryan Leaf on their hands...but they didn't. They got a good QB. They got lucky.
The Browns just need some of that same kind of luck.
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