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  • PS I read a clever but ridiculous take from a hard left guy on Facebook. Strange fellow posts all the time about his church Etc and then immediately upon coming home posts a dozen hate-filled Trump posts. But his take, (because he knows many conservatives profess to be Christians) is that the NFL is denying these players there right to express their religion by praying for peace in the Inner City. Says that many religions require the followers pray on their knees. I realize nobody here has he used that oh, I just thought it was funny.

    WSS

  • I posted a quote from one of the players that started the protest to tell you what it was about. That is why they're protesting. Not to disrespect the military, or police. Not because they just hate Trump so much. Not because you somehow think they've all grown up as spoiled brats all life trying to seek attention...

    That was in response to Steve proclaiming he REALLY knew what it was about, though he provided no evidence. He then proceeded to make a bunch of claims without any support, but that's nothing new. Going on and on about the real motives, because he actual knows, just because

  • But wait I thought it was all out of respect and love for the oppressed in the inner cities?

    http://amp.slate.com/culture/2018/05/source-eric-reids-grievance-against-nfl-will-focus-on-donald-trump.html

    And that's not from The Blaze.

    WSS

  • Where do you read in there that they protested because of Trump?

    I don't think you're keeping up with the course of events. Or at least, you're choosing not to.

    That's why there are public opinion polls asking what the protests are about, and a sizeable portion of idiots responds "it's to disrespect our flag and military!!!!"

  • Where do you read in there that they protested because of Trump?

    I don't think you're keeping up with the course of events. Or at least, you're choosing not to.

    That's why there are public opinion polls asking what the protests are about, and a sizeable portion of idiots responds "it's to disrespect our flag and military!!!!"

    @mld-woody said:

    Where do you read in there that they protested because of Trump?

    I don't think you're keeping up with the course of events. Or at least, you're choosing not to.

    That's why there are public opinion polls asking what the protests are about, and a sizeable portion of idiots responds "it's to disrespect our flag and military!!!!"

    Which is exactly why the protests are happening. Unless you insult the veterans the flag The Anthem the country etc etc etc nobody will sit up and take notice.  I just don't think they are smart enough to realize that it is  counterproductive .  Even if they did believe in that cause  more than they believe in self aggrandizement . Shock and offend. But those are the reasons you think it's so cool.

    WSS

  • PS those articles weren't from right-wing blogs.

    WSS

  • PS those articles weren't from right-wing blogs.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    PS those articles weren't from right-wing blogs.

    WSS

    Uhhh... I read the article at the top of the page. No where does it say "these protests are because we have Trump." I already said that and you chose not to respond to it.

  • @mld-woody said:

    Where do you read in there that they protested because of Trump?

    I don't think you're keeping up with the course of events. Or at least, you're choosing not to.

    That's why there are public opinion polls asking what the protests are about, and a sizeable portion of idiots responds "it's to disrespect our flag and military!!!!"

    Which is exactly why the protests are happening. Unless you insult the veterans the flag The Anthem the country etc etc etc nobody will sit up and take notice.  I just don't think they are smart enough to realize that it is  counterproductive .  Even if they did believe in that cause  more than they believe in self aggrandizement . Shock and offend. But those are the reasons you think it's so cool.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Which is exactly why the protests are happening. Unless you insult the veterans the flag The Anthem the country etc etc etc nobody will sit up and take notice.  I just don't think they are smart enough to realize that it is  counterproductive .  Even if they did believe in that cause  more than they believe in self aggrandizement . Shock and offend. But those are the reasons you think it's so cool.

    WSS

    Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's counterproductive

    Just because you're shocked and offended doesn't mean everyone is.

    You have their own words what the protests are about, and you refuse to believe it. 

    Not to mention you keep posting like you know what these protests are really about. That you know what these players are really doing. All while insulting them and not providing any bit of evidence other than "trust me with these negroes." 

    When did I say I think this is "so cool". Jesus Christ try not to Typical Steve for two seconds. 

  • As always, typical Steve is being right and making you look like the idiot that you are.

    WSS

  • But seriously I posted you an article saying that these protests are focused on Trump. You want to pretend that it's all some sort of deep-seated love for the downtrodden, great.

    Plus if you don't think they're counterproductive and are actually making all the bad people love Intercity criminals more than let's go with that. It's stupid but it is typical Woody.

    WSS

  • But seriously I posted you an article saying that these protests are focused on Trump. You want to pretend that it's all some sort of deep-seated love for the downtrodden, great.

    Plus if you don't think they're counterproductive and are actually making all the bad people love Intercity criminals more than let's go with that. It's stupid but it is typical Woody.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    But seriously I posted you an article saying that these protests are focused on Trump.

    WSS

    Before the election and Trumps words calling those on field "son a bitch",  No... the protests were not focused on Trump.

    He did however invite such focus on himself with his careless of choice words as the leader of the free world.    Thus, the focus is well deserved.  

  • @westside-steve said:

    But seriously I posted you an article saying that these protests are focused on Trump.

    WSS

    Before the election and Trumps words calling those on field "son a bitch",  No... the protests were not focused on Trump.

    He did however invite such focus on himself with his careless of choice words as the leader of the free world.    Thus, the focus is well deserved.  

    @tiamat63 said:

    Before the election and Trumps words call those on field "son a bitch",  No... the protests were not focused on Trump.

    He did however invite such focus on himself with his careless of choice words as the leader of the free world.    Thus, the focus is well deserved.  

    Deserved or not that's where the focus is which is what I said. The protests were pretty much smooth over until Trump decided to shoot off his mouth. The fact that he's an arsehole does not make my statement incorrect. 

    Maybe he's trying to stir up his base. Just like the Democrats and their bloc vote are stirring up there base.

    WSS

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Before the election and Trumps words call those on field "son a bitch",  No... the protests were not focused on Trump.

    He did however invite such focus on himself with his careless of choice words as the leader of the free world.    Thus, the focus is well deserved.  

    Deserved or not that's where the focus is which is what I said. The protests were pretty much smooth over until Trump decided to shoot off his mouth. The fact that he's an arsehole does not make my statement incorrect. 

    Maybe he's trying to stir up his base. Just like the Democrats and their bloc vote are stirring up there base.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Deserved or not that's where the focus is which is what I said. The protests were pretty much smooth over until Trump decided to shoot off his mouth. The fact that he's an arsehole does not make my statement incorrect. 

    Maybe he's trying to stir up his base. Just like the Democrats and their bloc vote are stirring up there base.

    WSS

    I just don't find it worth complaining about the direction in which some of the more venomous things are directed when the man invited it upon himself.

    For what it's worth you do have a bit of a point - most of these guys have no idea why they're kneeling, maybe at best a vague concept but really can't articulate it.   Which there in lies probably 75% of the issue.    Some can though, as the league isn't completely filled by dull minds.    It is those that should be speaking the loudest and most often.  Then I feel there would be far less issues communicating the general point many want conveyed.  

  • @westside-steve said:

    Deserved or not that's where the focus is which is what I said. The protests were pretty much smooth over until Trump decided to shoot off his mouth. The fact that he's an arsehole does not make my statement incorrect. 

    Maybe he's trying to stir up his base. Just like the Democrats and their bloc vote are stirring up there base.

    WSS

    I just don't find it worth complaining about the direction in which some of the more venomous things are directed when the man invited it upon himself.

    For what it's worth you do have a bit of a point - most of these guys have no idea why they're kneeling, maybe at best a vague concept but really can't articulate it.   Which there in lies probably 75% of the issue.    Some can though, as the league isn't completely filled by dull minds.    It is those that should be speaking the loudest and most often.  Then I feel there would be far less issues communicating the general point many want conveyed.  

    @tiamat63 said:

    I just don't find it worth complaining about the direction in which some of the more venomous things are directed when the man invited it upon himself.

     I'm not necessarily complaining just pointing out what I think the core of the protest is about now. I never denied that Trump brings it on himself. I agree with his position but if it was me I wouldn't have said so.

    For what it's worth you do have a bit of a point - most of these guys have no idea why they're kneeling, maybe at best a vague concept but really can't articulate it.   Which there in lies probably 75% of the issue.   

     actually I don't think anybody can distill the point of the protest satisfactorily. I mean if it's about police brutality not the most racist negro hating member of this board wants to see a black man killed unnecessarily or a minor criminal beaten up.

    Some can though, as the league isn't completely filled by dull minds.   

    well maybe...

    It is those that should be speaking the loudest and most often.  Then I feel there would be far less issues communicating the general point many want conveyed.  

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  • Plus Tia, has there ever been a time that you think that incidents of police brutality have actually been under-reported and we need NFL players to bring it to attention?

    And like I said before however many people are going to be murdered in Chicago just over this weekend Oh, you think anybody here will ever hear their names?

    Maybe that would be a more appropriate protest.

    WSS

  • Just for the record and this is just one town.

    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/tag/weekend-violence/

    Haven't heard of a single protest. You?

    WSS

  • As always, typical Steve is being right and making you look like the idiot that you are.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    As always, typical Steve is being right and making you look like the idiot that you are.

    WSS

    No. Typical Steve is putting words on other people's mouths and stating things as facts (the players really think this) without having anything to back it up.

  • But seriously I posted you an article saying that these protests are focused on Trump. You want to pretend that it's all some sort of deep-seated love for the downtrodden, great.

    Plus if you don't think they're counterproductive and are actually making all the bad people love Intercity criminals more than let's go with that. It's stupid but it is typical Woody.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    But seriously I posted you an article saying that these protests are focused on Trump. You want to pretend that it's all some sort of deep-seated love for the downtrodden, great.

    Plus if you don't think they're counterproductive and are actually making all the bad people love Intercity criminals more than let's go with that. It's stupid but it is typical Woody.

    WSS

    That's not what the article said

    "All the bad people love Intercity criminals". When you say Sheet like that, word stuff like that, what's the point in even trying to break through? Another typical Steve. Using hyperbolic wording, or anything along those lines, to further twist what the "other side" is actually saying. Forcing them to respond to that in the next post, detracting from any progress potentially being made. 

  • @westside-steve said:

    But seriously I posted you an article saying that these protests are focused on Trump. You want to pretend that it's all some sort of deep-seated love for the downtrodden, great.

    Plus if you don't think they're counterproductive and are actually making all the bad people love Intercity criminals more than let's go with that. It's stupid but it is typical Woody.

    WSS

    That's not what the article said

    "All the bad people love Intercity criminals". When you say Sheet like that, word stuff like that, what's the point in even trying to break through? Another typical Steve. Using hyperbolic wording, or anything along those lines, to further twist what the "other side" is actually saying. Forcing them to respond to that in the next post, detracting from any progress potentially being made. 

    @mld-woody said:

    That's not what the article said

    "All the bad people love Intercity criminals". When you say Sheet like that, word stuff like that, what's the point in even trying to break through? Another typical Steve. Using hyperbolic wording, or anything along those lines, to further twist what the "other side" is actually saying. Forcing them to respond to that in the next post, detracting from any progress potentially being made. 

    @mld-woody said:

    No doubt their intentions are selfless and pure.

    Regardless it doesn't appear I have forced you to respond in any manner that would detract from any progress, potential or otherwise.

    WSS