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  • C Clevfan4life

    @westside-steve said:

    The baker's could have sidestepped the situation, maybe, by saying sure we will make the cake hope you like it, but no we're not putting two homosexuals on top. You'll have to do that when you get home.

    WSS

    what exactly did they want ontop of the cake? frankly if they werent being asked to cater the wedding in person just make the cake.

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    @clevfan4life said:

    what exactly did they want ontop of the cake? frankly if they werent being asked to cater the wedding in person just make the cake.

    Again same deal as the klan ordering cookies with swastikas from a kosher bakery. Heres the cookies boys put the swastikas on yourselves. And exactly what the couple wanted was to homesexuals standing on the cake. And speaking rationally the baker could have avoided any situation by merely saying we don't carry that particular novelty. If you want queers on top of the cake you can order them from Amazon and put them on when you get home.

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    • W Westside Steve

      @clevfan4life said:

      what exactly did they want ontop of the cake? frankly if they werent being asked to cater the wedding in person just make the cake.

      Again same deal as the klan ordering cookies with swastikas from a kosher bakery. Heres the cookies boys put the swastikas on yourselves. And exactly what the couple wanted was to homesexuals standing on the cake. And speaking rationally the baker could have avoided any situation by merely saying we don't carry that particular novelty. If you want queers on top of the cake you can order them from Amazon and put them on when you get home.

      WSS

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      @westside-steve said:

      Again same deal as the klan ordering cookies with swastikas from a kosher bakery. Heres the cookies boys put the swastikas on yourselves. And exactly what the couple wanted was to homesexuals standing on the cake. And speaking rationally the baker could have avoided any situation by merely saying we don't carry that particular novelty. If you want queers on top of the cake you can order them from Amazon and put them on when you get home.

      WSS

      But you and I both know they really didn't want a cake...they wanted attention, and a lawsuit.

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        @clevfan4life said:

        what exactly did they want ontop of the cake? frankly if they werent being asked to cater the wedding in person just make the cake.

        Again same deal as the klan ordering cookies with swastikas from a kosher bakery. Heres the cookies boys put the swastikas on yourselves. And exactly what the couple wanted was to homesexuals standing on the cake. And speaking rationally the baker could have avoided any situation by merely saying we don't carry that particular novelty. If you want queers on top of the cake you can order them from Amazon and put them on when you get home.

        WSS

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        @westside-steve said:

        Again same deal as the klan ordering cookies with swastikas from a kosher bakery. Heres the cookies boys put the swastikas on yourselves. And exactly what the couple wanted was to homesexuals standing on the cake. And speaking rationally the baker could have avoided any situation by merely saying we don't carry that particular novelty. If you want queers on top of the cake you can order them from Amazon and put them on when you get home.

        WSS

        Not exactly the same deal. Klan members choose to be in a clan. Gays don't choose to be gay. Same level as gender, race, etc. That's the major distinction

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          Baloney. Advertizing perverse sexual leanings is a deliberate choice. Most all people I've ever worked with,

          you assume normality - you don't know about their sexuality in either case.

          But gays "come out" - that is a choice - which has a lot to do with the culture war against Real America.

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            Baloney. Advertizing perverse sexual leanings is a deliberate choice. Most all people I've ever worked with,

            you assume normality - you don't know about their sexuality in either case.

            But gays "come out" - that is a choice - which has a lot to do with the culture war against Real America.

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            @calfoxwc said:

            Baloney. Advertizing perverse sexual leanings is a deliberate choice. Most all people I've ever worked with,

            you assume normality - you don't know about their sexuality in either case.

            But gays "come out" - that is a choice - which has a lot to do with the culture war against Real America.

            Those damn gay people making the choice to "come out". How dare they. So perverse. Why can't they just not do anything that would indicate they're gay in anyway, and live with that hidden away. Geez

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              @westside-steve said:

              Again same deal as the klan ordering cookies with swastikas from a kosher bakery. Heres the cookies boys put the swastikas on yourselves. And exactly what the couple wanted was to homesexuals standing on the cake. And speaking rationally the baker could have avoided any situation by merely saying we don't carry that particular novelty. If you want queers on top of the cake you can order them from Amazon and put them on when you get home.

              WSS

              Not exactly the same deal. Klan members choose to be in a clan. Gays don't choose to be gay. Same level as gender, race, etc. That's the major distinction

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              @mld-woody said:

              Not exactly the same deal. Klan members choose to be in a clan. Gays don't choose to be gay. Same level as gender, race, etc. That's the major distinction

              Creed. You forgot that one or sidestepped it.

              https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/creed

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                @calfoxwc said:

                Baloney. Advertizing perverse sexual leanings is a deliberate choice. Most all people I've ever worked with,

                you assume normality - you don't know about their sexuality in either case.

                But gays "come out" - that is a choice - which has a lot to do with the culture war against Real America.

                Those damn gay people making the choice to "come out". How dare they. So perverse. Why can't they just not do anything that would indicate they're gay in anyway, and live with that hidden away. Geez

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                @mld-woody said:

                Those damn gay people making the choice to "come out". How dare they. So perverse. Why can't they just not do anything that would indicate they're gay in anyway, and live with that hidden away. Geez

                normal people don't shove their sexuality in your beak, woodpecker, hetero or not.

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                  @mld-woody said:

                  Those damn gay people making the choice to "come out". How dare they. So perverse. Why can't they just not do anything that would indicate they're gay in anyway, and live with that hidden away. Geez

                  normal people don't shove their sexuality in your beak, woodpecker, hetero or not.

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                  C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                  @calfoxwc said:

                  normal people don't shove their sexuality in your beak, woodpecker, hetero or not.

                  i tacitly agree with this however two men or two women holding hands or giving each other a peck in public is not offensive nor shoving their sexuality in ur face. parading down the streets like they do in san fran now thats a diff story, but that only happens in very select places and its not normal behavior for 90% of gay people. 

                  if i owned a restaurant and two people took the "get a room" challenge, it woyldnt matter to me if they were a straight or gay couple. on this issue tho i can find some common ground with u. i too intensely dislike public displays of affection/sexuality that deliberately go too far. 

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                    well, it isn't heteros who are going to a bakery, on purpose of instigating a confrontation, that they KNOW won't want to serve them ...

                    it's gay "couples".

                    every time.

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                      @mld-woody said:

                      Not exactly the same deal. Klan members choose to be in a clan. Gays don't choose to be gay. Same level as gender, race, etc. That's the major distinction

                      Creed. You forgot that one or sidestepped it.

                      https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/creed

                      WSS

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                      @westside-steve said:

                      Creed. You forgot that one or sidestepped it.

                      https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/creed

                      WSS

                      Oh, then I disagree with that. I'd prefer to keep it to genetics and religion. 

                      Refusing KKK members, refusing liberals, refusing Steelers fans... Go for it. 

                      Refusing women, blacks, gays, Christians. No go.

                      At least that's where I fall

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                      • C Clevfan4life

                        @calfoxwc said:

                        normal people don't shove their sexuality in your beak, woodpecker, hetero or not.

                        i tacitly agree with this however two men or two women holding hands or giving each other a peck in public is not offensive nor shoving their sexuality in ur face. parading down the streets like they do in san fran now thats a diff story, but that only happens in very select places and its not normal behavior for 90% of gay people. 

                        if i owned a restaurant and two people took the "get a room" challenge, it woyldnt matter to me if they were a straight or gay couple. on this issue tho i can find some common ground with u. i too intensely dislike public displays of affection/sexuality that deliberately go too far. 

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                        MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                        @clevfan4life said:

                        i tacitly agree with this however two men or two women holding hands or giving each other a peck in public is not offensive nor shoving their sexuality in ur face. parading down the streets like they do in san fran now thats a diff story, but that only happens in very select places and its not normal behavior for 90% of gay people. 

                        if i owned a restaurant and two people took the "get a room" challenge, it woyldnt matter to me if they were a straight or gay couple. on this issue tho i can find some common ground with u. i too intensely dislike public displays of affection/sexuality that deliberately go too far. 

                        Right. 

                        It's clear though that "shoving their sexuality in your face" means different things to Cal for hetero vs gay couples. 

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                          @clevfan4life said:

                          i tacitly agree with this however two men or two women holding hands or giving each other a peck in public is not offensive nor shoving their sexuality in ur face. parading down the streets like they do in san fran now thats a diff story, but that only happens in very select places and its not normal behavior for 90% of gay people. 

                          if i owned a restaurant and two people took the "get a room" challenge, it woyldnt matter to me if they were a straight or gay couple. on this issue tho i can find some common ground with u. i too intensely dislike public displays of affection/sexuality that deliberately go too far. 

                          Right. 

                          It's clear though that "shoving their sexuality in your face" means different things to Cal for hetero vs gay couples. 

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                          @mld-woody said:

                          Right. 

                          It's clear though that "shoving their sexuality in your face" means different things to Cal for hetero vs gay couples. 

                          Some of you guys pretend to be men of the world but has anyone ever been to a gay pride parade? Anybody?

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                            C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                            ever hear of a heterosexual (normal, healthy) pride parade?

                            only sick sombietches have groteque parades about their sexuality.

                            Those perverted images...like a woodpecker humping a tree, and blaming

                            straight people for his splinters.

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                              @mld-woody said:

                              Right. 

                              It's clear though that "shoving their sexuality in your face" means different things to Cal for hetero vs gay couples. 

                              Some of you guys pretend to be men of the world but has anyone ever been to a gay pride parade? Anybody?

                              WSS

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                              @westside-steve said:

                              Some of you guys pretend to be men of the world but has anyone ever been to a gay pride parade? Anybody?

                              WSS

                              go on and tell us how it was steve. ur clearly dying to tell us.....☕

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                                @mld-woody said:

                                Right. 

                                It's clear though that "shoving their sexuality in your face" means different things to Cal for hetero vs gay couples. 

                                Some of you guys pretend to be men of the world but has anyone ever been to a gay pride parade? Anybody?

                                WSS

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                                @westside-steve said:

                                Some of you guys pretend to be men of the world but has anyone ever been to a gay pride parade? Anybody?

                                WSS

                                No...

                                But if someone was hosting a parade inside my place of business, I'd kick them out regardless of the content of the parade

                                Because, you, that's what we're talking about. Inside a place of business. Where there's very clearly a double standard for one of our posters that he eludes to each post but refuses to acknowledge outright.

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                                  If I had a restaurant, I'd kick out the woodpecker for perverted behavior - gay pecking.

                                  you betcha

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                                    @westside-steve said:

                                    Some of you guys pretend to be men of the world but has anyone ever been to a gay pride parade? Anybody?

                                    WSS

                                    No...

                                    But if someone was hosting a parade inside my place of business, I'd kick them out regardless of the content of the parade

                                    Because, you, that's what we're talking about. Inside a place of business. Where there's very clearly a double standard for one of our posters that he eludes to each post but refuses to acknowledge outright.

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                                    @mld-woody said:

                                    No...

                                    But if someone was hosting a parade inside my place of business, I'd kick them out regardless of the content of the parade

                                    Because, you, that's what we're talking about. Inside a place of business. Where there's very clearly a double standard for one of our posters that he eludes to each post but refuses to acknowledge outright.

                                    Huh? Not trying to be a dik but could you rephrase that?

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                                      @mld-woody said:

                                      No...

                                      But if someone was hosting a parade inside my place of business, I'd kick them out regardless of the content of the parade

                                      Because, you, that's what we're talking about. Inside a place of business. Where there's very clearly a double standard for one of our posters that he eludes to each post but refuses to acknowledge outright.

                                      Huh? Not trying to be a dik but could you rephrase that?

                                      WSS

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                                      @westside-steve said:

                                      Huh? Not trying to be a dik but could you rephrase that?

                                      WSS

                                      Got a little broken up there.

                                      The point being, I don't really care what some gays do in a parade in San Francisco or wherever. This discussion shifted towards Cal's clear bias against gays, and what he considers "perverse, disruptive" behavior. Sure, a gay oily dude in a thong with streamers would be disruptive in a store. But so would a straight due doing the same thing. Point being, the parade has no influence on what we're discussing now; actions within a store. 

                                      Here, a hetero couple kissing is just normal fair. A gay couple doing the same, to some here, seems to be incredibly disruptive in some way. 

                                      There is a very clear double standard, bias, etc that is being displayed, but a complete refusal to admit it. Which is weird. 

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                                        C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                                        there isn't a bias - I've never seen a couple kissing in a dept store my entire life.

                                        Woodypeckerhead, you need to get laid. Go find some gay nazi homeboy with

                                        whips and chains - apparently your style.

                                        You just won't admit it?

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