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    C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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    just to be clear in cases like wedding photogs,bakers,florists....these are non essential business's that i could care less if they dont want to serve gays. that being said, dont then bitch if a restsurant with gay employees tell conservative people to kick rocks. 

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      MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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      This was also medication to enduce an abortion/miscarriage on an already dead fetus. Not really the buzzword action of "killing babies". If that makes any difference in this case.

      Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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        This was also medication to enduce an abortion/miscarriage on an already dead fetus. Not really the buzzword action of "killing babies". If that makes any difference in this case.

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        C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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        @mld-woody said:

        This was also medication to enduce an abortion/miscarriage on an already dead fetus. Not really the buzzword action of "killing babies". If that makes any difference in this case.

        a dead fetus is still alive u baby killer. 

        lols, u know it makes no difference to these people. they'd rather see women die if god so chooses but they get cancer and its off to the doctor for chemo,u know, letting nature take its course?

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          @westside-steve said:

          The baker's could have sidestepped the situation, maybe, by saying sure we will make the cake hope you like it, but no we're not putting two homosexuals on top. You'll have to do that when you get home.

          WSS

          what exactly did they want ontop of the cake? frankly if they werent being asked to cater the wedding in person just make the cake.

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          @clevfan4life said:

          what exactly did they want ontop of the cake? frankly if they werent being asked to cater the wedding in person just make the cake.

          Again same deal as the klan ordering cookies with swastikas from a kosher bakery. Heres the cookies boys put the swastikas on yourselves. And exactly what the couple wanted was to homesexuals standing on the cake. And speaking rationally the baker could have avoided any situation by merely saying we don't carry that particular novelty. If you want queers on top of the cake you can order them from Amazon and put them on when you get home.

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            @clevfan4life said:

            what exactly did they want ontop of the cake? frankly if they werent being asked to cater the wedding in person just make the cake.

            Again same deal as the klan ordering cookies with swastikas from a kosher bakery. Heres the cookies boys put the swastikas on yourselves. And exactly what the couple wanted was to homesexuals standing on the cake. And speaking rationally the baker could have avoided any situation by merely saying we don't carry that particular novelty. If you want queers on top of the cake you can order them from Amazon and put them on when you get home.

            WSS

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            Canton DawgC Canton Dawg wrote on last edited by
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            @westside-steve said:

            Again same deal as the klan ordering cookies with swastikas from a kosher bakery. Heres the cookies boys put the swastikas on yourselves. And exactly what the couple wanted was to homesexuals standing on the cake. And speaking rationally the baker could have avoided any situation by merely saying we don't carry that particular novelty. If you want queers on top of the cake you can order them from Amazon and put them on when you get home.

            WSS

            But you and I both know they really didn't want a cake...they wanted attention, and a lawsuit.

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              @clevfan4life said:

              what exactly did they want ontop of the cake? frankly if they werent being asked to cater the wedding in person just make the cake.

              Again same deal as the klan ordering cookies with swastikas from a kosher bakery. Heres the cookies boys put the swastikas on yourselves. And exactly what the couple wanted was to homesexuals standing on the cake. And speaking rationally the baker could have avoided any situation by merely saying we don't carry that particular novelty. If you want queers on top of the cake you can order them from Amazon and put them on when you get home.

              WSS

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              MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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              @westside-steve said:

              Again same deal as the klan ordering cookies with swastikas from a kosher bakery. Heres the cookies boys put the swastikas on yourselves. And exactly what the couple wanted was to homesexuals standing on the cake. And speaking rationally the baker could have avoided any situation by merely saying we don't carry that particular novelty. If you want queers on top of the cake you can order them from Amazon and put them on when you get home.

              WSS

              Not exactly the same deal. Klan members choose to be in a clan. Gays don't choose to be gay. Same level as gender, race, etc. That's the major distinction

              Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                Baloney. Advertizing perverse sexual leanings is a deliberate choice. Most all people I've ever worked with,

                you assume normality - you don't know about their sexuality in either case.

                But gays "come out" - that is a choice - which has a lot to do with the culture war against Real America.

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                  Baloney. Advertizing perverse sexual leanings is a deliberate choice. Most all people I've ever worked with,

                  you assume normality - you don't know about their sexuality in either case.

                  But gays "come out" - that is a choice - which has a lot to do with the culture war against Real America.

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                  MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                  @calfoxwc said:

                  Baloney. Advertizing perverse sexual leanings is a deliberate choice. Most all people I've ever worked with,

                  you assume normality - you don't know about their sexuality in either case.

                  But gays "come out" - that is a choice - which has a lot to do with the culture war against Real America.

                  Those damn gay people making the choice to "come out". How dare they. So perverse. Why can't they just not do anything that would indicate they're gay in anyway, and live with that hidden away. Geez

                  Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                    @westside-steve said:

                    Again same deal as the klan ordering cookies with swastikas from a kosher bakery. Heres the cookies boys put the swastikas on yourselves. And exactly what the couple wanted was to homesexuals standing on the cake. And speaking rationally the baker could have avoided any situation by merely saying we don't carry that particular novelty. If you want queers on top of the cake you can order them from Amazon and put them on when you get home.

                    WSS

                    Not exactly the same deal. Klan members choose to be in a clan. Gays don't choose to be gay. Same level as gender, race, etc. That's the major distinction

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                    @mld-woody said:

                    Not exactly the same deal. Klan members choose to be in a clan. Gays don't choose to be gay. Same level as gender, race, etc. That's the major distinction

                    Creed. You forgot that one or sidestepped it.

                    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/creed

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                      @calfoxwc said:

                      Baloney. Advertizing perverse sexual leanings is a deliberate choice. Most all people I've ever worked with,

                      you assume normality - you don't know about their sexuality in either case.

                      But gays "come out" - that is a choice - which has a lot to do with the culture war against Real America.

                      Those damn gay people making the choice to "come out". How dare they. So perverse. Why can't they just not do anything that would indicate they're gay in anyway, and live with that hidden away. Geez

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                      C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                      @mld-woody said:

                      Those damn gay people making the choice to "come out". How dare they. So perverse. Why can't they just not do anything that would indicate they're gay in anyway, and live with that hidden away. Geez

                      normal people don't shove their sexuality in your beak, woodpecker, hetero or not.

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                        @mld-woody said:

                        Those damn gay people making the choice to "come out". How dare they. So perverse. Why can't they just not do anything that would indicate they're gay in anyway, and live with that hidden away. Geez

                        normal people don't shove their sexuality in your beak, woodpecker, hetero or not.

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                        C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                        @calfoxwc said:

                        normal people don't shove their sexuality in your beak, woodpecker, hetero or not.

                        i tacitly agree with this however two men or two women holding hands or giving each other a peck in public is not offensive nor shoving their sexuality in ur face. parading down the streets like they do in san fran now thats a diff story, but that only happens in very select places and its not normal behavior for 90% of gay people. 

                        if i owned a restaurant and two people took the "get a room" challenge, it woyldnt matter to me if they were a straight or gay couple. on this issue tho i can find some common ground with u. i too intensely dislike public displays of affection/sexuality that deliberately go too far. 

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                          C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                          well, it isn't heteros who are going to a bakery, on purpose of instigating a confrontation, that they KNOW won't want to serve them ...

                          it's gay "couples".

                          every time.

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                            @mld-woody said:

                            Not exactly the same deal. Klan members choose to be in a clan. Gays don't choose to be gay. Same level as gender, race, etc. That's the major distinction

                            Creed. You forgot that one or sidestepped it.

                            https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/creed

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                            @westside-steve said:

                            Creed. You forgot that one or sidestepped it.

                            https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/creed

                            WSS

                            Oh, then I disagree with that. I'd prefer to keep it to genetics and religion. 

                            Refusing KKK members, refusing liberals, refusing Steelers fans... Go for it. 

                            Refusing women, blacks, gays, Christians. No go.

                            At least that's where I fall

                            Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                              @calfoxwc said:

                              normal people don't shove their sexuality in your beak, woodpecker, hetero or not.

                              i tacitly agree with this however two men or two women holding hands or giving each other a peck in public is not offensive nor shoving their sexuality in ur face. parading down the streets like they do in san fran now thats a diff story, but that only happens in very select places and its not normal behavior for 90% of gay people. 

                              if i owned a restaurant and two people took the "get a room" challenge, it woyldnt matter to me if they were a straight or gay couple. on this issue tho i can find some common ground with u. i too intensely dislike public displays of affection/sexuality that deliberately go too far. 

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                              MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                              @clevfan4life said:

                              i tacitly agree with this however two men or two women holding hands or giving each other a peck in public is not offensive nor shoving their sexuality in ur face. parading down the streets like they do in san fran now thats a diff story, but that only happens in very select places and its not normal behavior for 90% of gay people. 

                              if i owned a restaurant and two people took the "get a room" challenge, it woyldnt matter to me if they were a straight or gay couple. on this issue tho i can find some common ground with u. i too intensely dislike public displays of affection/sexuality that deliberately go too far. 

                              Right. 

                              It's clear though that "shoving their sexuality in your face" means different things to Cal for hetero vs gay couples. 

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                                @clevfan4life said:

                                i tacitly agree with this however two men or two women holding hands or giving each other a peck in public is not offensive nor shoving their sexuality in ur face. parading down the streets like they do in san fran now thats a diff story, but that only happens in very select places and its not normal behavior for 90% of gay people. 

                                if i owned a restaurant and two people took the "get a room" challenge, it woyldnt matter to me if they were a straight or gay couple. on this issue tho i can find some common ground with u. i too intensely dislike public displays of affection/sexuality that deliberately go too far. 

                                Right. 

                                It's clear though that "shoving their sexuality in your face" means different things to Cal for hetero vs gay couples. 

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                                @mld-woody said:

                                Right. 

                                It's clear though that "shoving their sexuality in your face" means different things to Cal for hetero vs gay couples. 

                                Some of you guys pretend to be men of the world but has anyone ever been to a gay pride parade? Anybody?

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                                  C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                                  ever hear of a heterosexual (normal, healthy) pride parade?

                                  only sick sombietches have groteque parades about their sexuality.

                                  Those perverted images...like a woodpecker humping a tree, and blaming

                                  straight people for his splinters.

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                                    @mld-woody said:

                                    Right. 

                                    It's clear though that "shoving their sexuality in your face" means different things to Cal for hetero vs gay couples. 

                                    Some of you guys pretend to be men of the world but has anyone ever been to a gay pride parade? Anybody?

                                    WSS

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                                    C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                                    @westside-steve said:

                                    Some of you guys pretend to be men of the world but has anyone ever been to a gay pride parade? Anybody?

                                    WSS

                                    go on and tell us how it was steve. ur clearly dying to tell us.....☕

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                                      @mld-woody said:

                                      Right. 

                                      It's clear though that "shoving their sexuality in your face" means different things to Cal for hetero vs gay couples. 

                                      Some of you guys pretend to be men of the world but has anyone ever been to a gay pride parade? Anybody?

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                                      MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                      @westside-steve said:

                                      Some of you guys pretend to be men of the world but has anyone ever been to a gay pride parade? Anybody?

                                      WSS

                                      No...

                                      But if someone was hosting a parade inside my place of business, I'd kick them out regardless of the content of the parade

                                      Because, you, that's what we're talking about. Inside a place of business. Where there's very clearly a double standard for one of our posters that he eludes to each post but refuses to acknowledge outright.

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                                        If I had a restaurant, I'd kick out the woodpecker for perverted behavior - gay pecking.

                                        you betcha

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                                          @westside-steve said:

                                          Some of you guys pretend to be men of the world but has anyone ever been to a gay pride parade? Anybody?

                                          WSS

                                          No...

                                          But if someone was hosting a parade inside my place of business, I'd kick them out regardless of the content of the parade

                                          Because, you, that's what we're talking about. Inside a place of business. Where there's very clearly a double standard for one of our posters that he eludes to each post but refuses to acknowledge outright.

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                                          @mld-woody said:

                                          No...

                                          But if someone was hosting a parade inside my place of business, I'd kick them out regardless of the content of the parade

                                          Because, you, that's what we're talking about. Inside a place of business. Where there's very clearly a double standard for one of our posters that he eludes to each post but refuses to acknowledge outright.

                                          Huh? Not trying to be a dik but could you rephrase that?

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