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  • The Gipper The GipperT In Memoriam Very Popular
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    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
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    Colin Cowherd...or his producers were at it earlier today.  He/they put out their list of the  10 Sports Teams that "best" represented America.   Now, to be honest with you...he never gave a specific definition on how a team can be considered to represent America the "best".    Except, what he actually said is that these are the teams, from America, with the biggest "brands".   With maybe one exception.  

    Here is his list.  He did have an order, but I don't remember it all, but  I remember the Top 3:

    1.  The Dallas Cowboys

    2. The Los Angeles Lakers

    3. The New York Yankees

    And I remember that he had the New England Patriots at #10 (saying that before Brady/BB no one cared about them, and once TB/BB leave no one will care about them.

    The others, in no order are:  

    The Chicago Cubs (he said they would be in here even if they had not won recently...because they are America's "lovable losers".

    The Green Bay Packers (see below)

    The Pittsburgh Steelers

    The Golden State Warriors

    Notre Dame Football

    Duke basketball.

    Of course, lets face it, one the Warriors decline they will be the same as the Patriots.  They are only "on top" right now due to their current dominance.

    The ONE team that he said that is a true representation of America,  but not necessarily the biggest brand:

    The Green Bay Packers.   He sited the fact that they are A.the only real small(er) town America team, and that that team is owned by the community. 

    I fully agree with him on some of this: His reasons for the Packers and Cubs.  I agree that the Pats and Warriors are on there only because of recent success (for which reason I may also disagree on their inclusion...at all...but I understand it)

    I also think that once Coach K is done at Duke....they too could end up going the way of the Pats and Warriors, but for now I am OK with them.

    On the Steelers, he included them because, he said, they have won more Super Bowls....and because their fans "travel well".  So, yes, they have won all those titles....but as far as the traveling well.....when the Browns were good they dwarfed the amount of fans that traveled for the Steelers.  He pointed out that one reason that they traveled so well was because after the Steel mills all shut down, the people from that area ended up being spread all over the countryside.  And yes, that is true.  But like I said, I would not put Browns fans below any other fan base when it comes to traveling well.  And I think the world (or at least the nation) will find out about that soon.

    Also...note....no hockey teams made Cowherd's list. That is probably fair.

    So....if you have a variant opinion on which teams best represent America, please chime in.

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      What about the Slippery Rock whatever that thing is called Rocky??

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        mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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        These subjective opinion lists are just that, subjective. 

        If you look at it closely it's kind of an Americana list as viewed by someone from outside of these United States of America. 

        Cowboys, Yankees, Notre Dame,  yeah I can see that.....but Duke? How'd they sneak in there?

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          What about the Slippery Rock whatever that thing is called Rocky??

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          MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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          @texasag1969 said:

          What about the Slippery Rock whatever that thing is called Rocky??

          Slippery Rock and Michigan have an interesting historical relationship. We announce their football results at every home game. They've played in the big house too.

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            MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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            Steelers make sense. Rust Belt. American values. Etc. Plus they've been much more successful than us.

            Notre Dame made me laugh at first. Then I remembered the increasing number of senior citizens from the baby boomers, and it makes sense. Notre Dame represents that America well.

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              Steelers make sense. Rust Belt. American values. Etc. Plus they've been much more successful than us.

              Notre Dame made me laugh at first. Then I remembered the increasing number of senior citizens from the baby boomers, and it makes sense. Notre Dame represents that America well.

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              @mld-woody said:

              Steelers make sense. Rust Belt. American values. Etc. Plus they've been much more successful than us.

              Notre Dame made me laugh at first. Then I remembered the increasing number of senior citizens from the baby boomers, and it makes sense. Notre Dame represents that America well.

              Notre Dame is still the #1 brand among all of college sports perhaps,  from GI Generation to Boomers, to Millenials.

              Name another program that has its own network.

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                @mld-woody said:

                Steelers make sense. Rust Belt. American values. Etc. Plus they've been much more successful than us.

                Notre Dame made me laugh at first. Then I remembered the increasing number of senior citizens from the baby boomers, and it makes sense. Notre Dame represents that America well.

                Notre Dame is still the #1 brand among all of college sports perhaps,  from GI Generation to Boomers, to Millenials.

                Name another program that has its own network.

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                @the-gipper said:

                Notre Dame is still the #1 brand among all of college sports perhaps,  from GI Generation to Boomers, to Millenials.

                Name another program that has its own network.

                Texas

                and I can promise you Notre Dame is not the #1 brand among Millennials… lol.

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                  @texasag1969 said:

                  What about the Slippery Rock whatever that thing is called Rocky??

                  Slippery Rock and Michigan have an interesting historical relationship. We announce their football results at every home game. They've played in the big house too.

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                  @mld-woody said:

                  Slippery Rock and Michigan have an interesting historical relationship. We announce their football results at every home game. They've played in the big house too.

                  Does Slippery Rock's rival beat them every year too? ?

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                    @mld-woody said:

                    Steelers make sense. Rust Belt. American values. Etc. Plus they've been much more successful than us.

                    Notre Dame made me laugh at first. Then I remembered the increasing number of senior citizens from the baby boomers, and it makes sense. Notre Dame represents that America well.

                    Notre Dame is still the #1 brand among all of college sports perhaps,  from GI Generation to Boomers, to Millenials.

                    Name another program that has its own network.

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                    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by mjp28
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                    @the-gipper said:

                    Notre Dame is still the #1 brand among all of college sports perhaps,  from GI Generation to Boomers, to Millenials.

                    Name another program that has its own network.

                    Being a long time ND fan you can see where they fell off the track but still have a unique following :

                    1918–30 Knute Rockne 13 105–12–5 .881 1924, 1929, 1930
                    1931–33 Heartley Anderson 3 16–9–2 .630  
                    1934–40 Elmer Layden 7 47–13–3 .770  
                    1941–43, 46–53 Frank Leahy 11 87–11–9 .855 1943, 1946, 1947, 1949
                    1944 Edward McKeever 1 8–2–0 .800  
                    1945, 63 Hugh Devore 2 9–9–1 .500  
                    1954–58 Terry Brennan 5 32–18–0 .640 no #1 in the 50s
                    1959–62 Joe Kuharich 4 17–23–0 .425 only losing record over time 
                    1964–74 Ara Parseghian 11 95–17–4 .836 1966, 1973
                    1975–80 Dan Devine 6 53–16–1 .764 1977
                    1981–85 Gerry Faust 5 30–26–1 .535 oooops
                    1986–96 Lou Holtz 11 100–30–2 .765 1988
                    1997–2001 Bob Davie 5 35–25 .583 and trying to get it back!
                    2001* George O'Leary 0 0–0 .000  
                    2002–2004 Tyrone Willingham 3 21–15 .583  
                    2004** Kent Baer 1 0–1 .000  
                    2005–2009 Charlie Weis 5 35–27 .565  
                    2010–present Brian Kelly 8 69–34 .670 getting closer but...
                    Totals 31 coaches 126 seasons 895–321–42 .731
                    * George O'Leary did not coach a single practice or game, being fired five days 
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                      @the-gipper said:

                      Notre Dame is still the #1 brand among all of college sports perhaps,  from GI Generation to Boomers, to Millenials.

                      Name another program that has its own network.

                      Texas

                      and I can promise you Notre Dame is not the #1 brand among Millennials… lol.

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                      @mld-woody said:

                      Texas

                      and I can promise you Notre Dame is not the #1 brand among Millennials… lol.

                      Prove it

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                        @mld-woody said:

                        Texas

                        and I can promise you Notre Dame is not the #1 brand among Millennials… lol.

                        Prove it

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                        MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                        @the-gipper said:

                        Prove it

                        Well, you were already wrong about Notre Dame being the only school that "had their own network". Since they don't and Texas literally does. 

                        All of the glory days you talk about with the Browns, when blacks couldn't play and the forward pass didn't exist, that's when Notre Dame was relevant. ND is old blood. If you want to think they're as relevant to younger fans as OSU, Bama, etc, then so be it. I won't convince you otherwise

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                          I used to listen to football on the Armed Forces Shortwave Radio broadcasts in Venezuela and they always included the Slippery Rock score along with all the top conference teams in the country. Otherwise I never would have heard of the school growing up in Texas.

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                            @mld-woody said:

                            Texas

                            and I can promise you Notre Dame is not the #1 brand among Millennials… lol.

                            Prove it

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                            @the-gipper said:

                            Prove it

                            The NOTRE DAME network is essentially the Notre Dame Broadcasting Corporation  (NBC), ND just went out against the objections of the NCAA and did it.

                            UT, well  http://www.espn.com/longhornnetwork/about

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                              @the-gipper said:

                              Prove it

                              Well, you were already wrong about Notre Dame being the only school that "had their own network". Since they don't and Texas literally does. 

                              All of the glory days you talk about with the Browns, when blacks couldn't play and the forward pass didn't exist, that's when Notre Dame was relevant. ND is old blood. If you want to think they're as relevant to younger fans as OSU, Bama, etc, then so be it. I won't convince you otherwise

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                              The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                              @mld-woody said:

                              Well, you were already wrong about Notre Dame being the only school that "had their own network". Since they don't and Texas literally does. 

                              All of the glory days you talk about with the Browns, when blacks couldn't play and the forward pass didn't exist, that's when Notre Dame was relevant. ND is old blood. If you want to think they're as relevant to younger fans as OSU, Bama, etc, then so be it. I won't convince you otherwise

                              I am talking about a National Broadcasting Network....like NBC.    Not something that they created themselves for themselves.

                              And you are totally missing the point:   the question asked was NOT "which program is winning the most now or getting the better recruits"   the question is:  "which program best represents America"  "Which program has the most recognizable brand".  
                              This particular Forbes study has  Texas as the #1 "most valuable" program, and Notre Dame as #2. 

                              https://www.forbes.com/pictures/emdm45el/2-university-of-notre-dame-fighting-irish/#68d261405cd8

                              But just being the most valuable money wise does not mean the same as being the most recognizable or the best representative of the entire nation. My daughter lives in Texas, and while people like them, there is a high debate about whether that school even best represents  Texas.  Ask some of our Texas patrons on here about that that.

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                                mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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                                Our posts went up simultaneously, how about that. 

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                                  @the-gipper said:

                                  Prove it

                                  The NOTRE DAME network is essentially the Notre Dame Broadcasting Corporation  (NBC), ND just went out against the objections of the NCAA and did it.

                                  UT, well  http://www.espn.com/longhornnetwork/about

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                                  @mjp28 said:

                                  The NOTRE DAME network is essentially the Notre Dame Broadcasting Corporation  (NBC), ND just went out against the objections of the NCAA and did it.

                                  UT, well  http://www.espn.com/longhornnetwork/about

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                                  Exclusive Events

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                                  • Approximately 10 men's and 14 women's basketball games
                                  • Approximately 60+ softball and baseball games
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                                  • Swimming and diving, track and field, tennis, rowing, and golf event coverage

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                                  • Get ready for kickoff with live Texas GameDay pregame and Texas GameDay Final postgame for every Texas Football game. Plus, Texas GameDay for select basketball and baseball games.
                                  • Exclusive Coaches Shows with the Longhorns’ coaches.
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                                  Right, it is basically like an on campus radio station, except it is an on campus sports tv station.

                                  How many people in Ohio...Michigan, New York, PA, Chicago, Philly, California...etc.  subscribe to that network?

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                                        TMI on the effing Longhorn network.   Really.

                                        And aside from Woody's silopsism about Notre Dame.....I see that no one else apparently objected to anything that Cowherd put out there.

                                        But, I ask this:   Can not the Raiders be said to represent a large part of America?  Its somewhat darker side?

                                        Consider that the Raiders are the team of choice for Biker gangs and  street gangs...and any number of nefarious entities?   It has represented the worst of the greed associated with capitalism....It is the one team that would move and abandon a fan base at the drop of a hat...leaving devastation behind in its wake.   Now it is going to Vegas....Sin City itself. 

                                        The Raiders may not represent the wholesome America that people want to see....but they absolutely represent some of the basic truth about America.

                                        Fair to say?

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                                          There is only 1 team....... The Springfield Isotopes

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