Study has Browns as one of the WORST fan bases

[ballpeen]

@mjp28 said:

But they admit viewership is down, how does that bode for the future? Next answer? 

........oh would you sink $2,000,000,000 into a new stadium in 2018?

I think more and more people are going to sports bars to watch games rather than watch at home.  No way to account for that viewership.   The box Neilsen gives out to random households is no longer measuring who is watching football.  Those people are at sport bars across this country.

[mjp28]

@ballpeen said:

I think more and more people are going to sports bars to watch games rather than watch at home.  No way to account for that viewership.   The box Neilsen gives out to random households is no longer measuring who is watching football.  Those people are at sport bars across this country.

Some are but not nearly all though, that isn't the biggest problem out there.

There are hard numbers that American tackle football numbers are going down in participation, attendance, viewership at all levels. Some high schools are cutting back to 7/7 or discontinuing football altogether. 

Then there's the continuing CTE issues out there, moms want junior to play soccer.

[mjp28]

2017 from the NCAA.....   

ALL NCAA TEAMS      http://www.ncaa.org/championships/statistics/ncaa-football-attendance
Total 
Teams Games Attendance Average
Change In 
Total
Change In 
Avg.
Home Attendance, Division I-FBS 129 810 34,107,211 42,108 -693,708 -962
FBS Neutral-Site Attendance $ 22 1,262,707 57,396 -352,480 -4,727
FBS Bowl Game Attendance # 40 1,620,253 40,506 -90,171 -1,212
NCAA DIVISION I-FBS TOTALS 129 868 36,632,625 42,203 -1,441,042 -1,409

Home Attendance, Division I-FCS 123 657 5,123,547 7,798 114,123 -17
FCS Neutral-Site Attendance ^$ 12 366,640 30,553 -83,469 -4,071
FCS Championship Game 1 19,090 19,090 4,667 4,667
NCAA DIVISION I-FCS TOTALS 123 670 5,509,277 8,223 35,321 -134

NCAA DIVISION I TOTALS 252 1,538 42,141,902 27,400 -1,405,721 -1,100
Home Attendance, NCAA Division II & 168 895 2,859,249 3,195 -168,401 -128
Division II Neutral-Site Attendance ^$ 13 111,637 8,587 -68,217 -1,405
Division II Championship Game 1 4,259 4,259 -5,317 -5,317
NCAA DIVISION II TOTALS 168 909 2,975,145 3,273 -241,935 -186
Home Attendance, NCAA Division III & 243 1,225 2,297,267 1,875 -105,606 -83
Division III Neutral-Site Attendance ^ 5 3,478 696 -5,602 -439
Division III Championship Game 1 4,971 4,971 1,495 1,495
NCAA DIVISION III TOTALS 243 1,231 2,305,716 1,873 -109,713 -81
Home Attendance, Reclassifying Teams 3 17 199,433 11,731 63,708 5,830

NATIONAL TOTALS FOR 2017 & 666 3,695 47,622,196 12,888 -1,693,661 -380 <---- all college down 1.7 million

[The Gipper]

@mjp28 said:

2017 from the NCAA.....   

ALL NCAA TEAMS      http://www.ncaa.org/championships/statistics/ncaa-football-attendance
Total 
Teams Games Attendance Average
Change In 
Total
Change In 
Avg.
Home Attendance, Division I-FBS 129 810 34,107,211 42,108 -693,708 -962
FBS Neutral-Site Attendance $ 22 1,262,707 57,396 -352,480 -4,727
FBS Bowl Game Attendance # 40 1,620,253 40,506 -90,171 -1,212
NCAA DIVISION I-FBS TOTALS 129 868 36,632,625 42,203 -1,441,042 -1,409

Home Attendance, Division I-FCS 123 657 5,123,547 7,798 114,123 -17
FCS Neutral-Site Attendance ^$ 12 366,640 30,553 -83,469 -4,071
FCS Championship Game 1 19,090 19,090 4,667 4,667
NCAA DIVISION I-FCS TOTALS 123 670 5,509,277 8,223 35,321 -134

NCAA DIVISION I TOTALS 252 1,538 42,141,902 27,400 -1,405,721 -1,100
Home Attendance, NCAA Division II & 168 895 2,859,249 3,195 -168,401 -128
Division II Neutral-Site Attendance ^$ 13 111,637 8,587 -68,217 -1,405
Division II Championship Game 1 4,259 4,259 -5,317 -5,317
NCAA DIVISION II TOTALS 168 909 2,975,145 3,273 -241,935 -186
Home Attendance, NCAA Division III & 243 1,225 2,297,267 1,875 -105,606 -83
Division III Neutral-Site Attendance ^ 5 3,478 696 -5,602 -439
Division III Championship Game 1 4,971 4,971 1,495 1,495
NCAA DIVISION III TOTALS 243 1,231 2,305,716 1,873 -109,713 -81
Home Attendance, Reclassifying Teams 3 17 199,433 11,731 63,708 5,830

NATIONAL TOTALS FOR 2017 & 666 3,695 47,622,196 12,888 -1,693,661 -380 <---- all college down 1.7 million

Can you interpret this gobbledygook of numbers?

[mjp28]

Outside of the BIG TEN all major conferences were down in 2017:

CONFERENCE ATTENDANCE

1. Southeastern 14 98 7,357,228 75,074 -2,433
2. Big Ten 14 95 6,291,534 66,227 76
3. Big 12 10 65 3,695,374 56,852 -679
4. Pac-12 12 79 3,918,463 49,601 -472
5. Atlantic Coast 14 93 4,505,142 48,442 -1,292

Total Home Attendance
No. School Games Attendance Average
1. Michigan 6 669,534 111,589
2. Ohio St. 7 752,464 107,495
3. Penn St. 7 746,946 106,707
4. Alabama 7 712,053 101,722
5. Texas A&M 7 691,612 98,802
6. LSU 6 591,034 98,506
7. Tennessee 7 670,454 95,779
8. Texas 6 556,667 92,778
9. Georgia 6 556,476 92,746

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ oh if it weren't for these big always SOLD OUT mega stadiums it would be worse
10. Nebraska 7 628,583 89,798
11. Florida 6 520,290 86,715
12. Oklahoma 6 519,119 86,520
13. Auburn 7 605,120 86,446
14. Clemson 7 565,412 80,773
15. Wisconsin 7 551,766 78,824
16. South Carolina 7 550,099 78,586
17. Notre Dame 7 543,354 77,622
18. Southern California 7 508,781 72,683
19. Michigan St. 7 507,398 72,485
20. Florida St. 6 425,658 70,943
21. Washington 7 481,755 68,822
22. Iowa 7 464,357 66,337

[mjp28]

@the-gipper said:

Can you interpret this gobbledygook of numbers?

Use the link, it's really self-explanatory. Attendance keeps going down.

[mjp28]

And the NFL is still the big dog, only 16 games each but the bottom half in average home games filleD percentages:

17	New Orleans	8	585,113	73,139	95.6	8	560,933	70,116	94.6	16	1,146,046	71,627	95.1
18	Jacksonville	8	514,427	64,303	95.6	8	535,141	66,892	95.4	16	1,049,568	65,598	95.5
19	Tennessee	8	525,214	65,651	95.0	8	514,905	64,363	95.0	16	1,040,119	65,007	95.0
20	NY Jets	8	620,496	77,562	94.0	8	522,862	65,357	93.5	16	1,143,358	71,459	93.8
21	NY Giants	8	617,434	77,179	93.6	8	565,603	70,700	95.3	16	1,183,037	73,939	94.4
22	Dallas	8	741,775	92,721	92.7	8	567,436	70,929	97.0	16	1,309,211	81,825	94.5
23	Oakland	8	462,201	57,775	91.5	8	527,346	65,918	102.5	16	989,547	61,846	97.0
24	Buffalo	8	534,200	66,775	91.4	8	506,717	63,339	100.5	16	1,040,917	65,057	95.6
25	Minnesota	8	533,769	66,721	91.4	8	566,136	70,767	98.5	16	1,099,905	68,744	94.9
26	Pittsburgh	8	499,768	62,471	91.3	8	536,723	67,090	98.2	16	1,036,491	64,780	94.8
27	Tampa Bay	8	479,618	59,952	91.0	8	557,343	69,667	97.0	16	1,036,961	64,810	94.1
28	Washington	8	601,405	75,175	88.4	8	536,234	67,029	94.8	16	1,137,639	71,102	91.3
29	Cleveland	8	511,060	63,882	87.3	8	456,947	57,118	98.2	16	968,007	60,500	92.1
30	Cincinnati	8	426,207	53,275	81.3	8	552,316	69,039	96.7	16	978,523	61,157	89.3
31	Los Angeles	8	507,136	63,392	67.7	8	555,125	69,390	93.7	16	1,062,261	66,391	79.

[The Gipper]

@mjp28 said:

And the NFL is still the big dog, only 16 games each but the bottom half in average home games filleD percentages:

17	New Orleans	8	585,113	73,139	95.6	8	560,933	70,116	94.6	16	1,146,046	71,627	95.1
18	Jacksonville	8	514,427	64,303	95.6	8	535,141	66,892	95.4	16	1,049,568	65,598	95.5
19	Tennessee	8	525,214	65,651	95.0	8	514,905	64,363	95.0	16	1,040,119	65,007	95.0
20	NY Jets	8	620,496	77,562	94.0	8	522,862	65,357	93.5	16	1,143,358	71,459	93.8
21	NY Giants	8	617,434	77,179	93.6	8	565,603	70,700	95.3	16	1,183,037	73,939	94.4
22	Dallas	8	741,775	92,721	92.7	8	567,436	70,929	97.0	16	1,309,211	81,825	94.5
23	Oakland	8	462,201	57,775	91.5	8	527,346	65,918	102.5	16	989,547	61,846	97.0
24	Buffalo	8	534,200	66,775	91.4	8	506,717	63,339	100.5	16	1,040,917	65,057	95.6
25	Minnesota	8	533,769	66,721	91.4	8	566,136	70,767	98.5	16	1,099,905	68,744	94.9
26	Pittsburgh	8	499,768	62,471	91.3	8	536,723	67,090	98.2	16	1,036,491	64,780	94.8
27	Tampa Bay	8	479,618	59,952	91.0	8	557,343	69,667	97.0	16	1,036,961	64,810	94.1
28	Washington	8	601,405	75,175	88.4	8	536,234	67,029	94.8	16	1,137,639	71,102	91.3
29	Cleveland	8	511,060	63,882	87.3	8	456,947	57,118	98.2	16	968,007	60,500	92.1
30	Cincinnati	8	426,207	53,275	81.3	8	552,316	69,039	96.7	16	978,523	61,157	89.3
31	Los Angeles	8	507,136	63,392	67.7	8	555,125	69,390	93.7	16	1,062,261	66,391	79.

Maybe you should provide the link on this as well.

Nevertheless....I believe these statistics are miniscule.

[mjp28]

@the-gipper said:

Maybe you should provide the link on this as well.

Nevertheless....I believe these statistics are miniscule.

2017 nfl attendance - ESPN - http://www.espn.com/nfl/attendance/_/sort/homePct

It shows the top 9 NFL teams are running at 100% plus on home attendance but with only 8 home games per year they better do well.....and what's going on with pittsburger at #26 and 91%? And yes those stats are miniscule UNLESS they keep going down......and teams lie or stretch attendance numbers! Is JAX at 95%?

The NFL is still drawing but high school and college are not doing as well live. 

[The Gipper]

@mjp28 said:

2017 nfl attendance - ESPN - http://www.espn.com/nfl/attendance/_/sort/homePct

It shows the top 9 NFL teams are running at 100% plus on home attendance but with only 8 home games per year they better do well.....and what's going on with pittsburger at #26 and 91%? And yes those stats are miniscule UNLESS they keep going down......and teams lie or stretch attendance numbers! Is JAX at 95%?

The NFL is still drawing but high school and college are not doing as well live. 

So maybe you should just give up watching then going to football games if you're so worried about it

[mjp28]

@the-gipper said:

So maybe you should just give up watching then going to football games if you're so worried about it

I'm not worried about it one bit.....just discussing fans and fan bases, besides I have a better seat at home.

Actually I've seen countless Indians games at the Ol' Muni from 1959-1980s closing and a LOT of Browns games throughout time. 

.......I kind of liked that Ol' Dump.