Steelers writer Ed Bouchette
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Zombo said:
By getting him to two Super Bowls and putting him in offense that maximizes his skills surrounded by playmakers?
Zombo
Tomlin is a fvcking jackass. Haley was his scapegoat.
One trophy with a first ballot HOF QB. Harbawl has that many with Flacco.
Tomlin is a fvcking jackass. Haley was his scapegoat.
One trophy with a first ballot HOF QB. Harbawl has that many with Flacco.
OK, so, he's 116-60. Two Super Bowls, One ring. 8-7 in the postseason.
Poor Ben has been stuck in a Top Ten offense four straight years, Top five passing game past three years.
Tomlin has made the playoffs eight times in eleven years, never had a losing season.
He is 5th in active coaches in wins, He is second to active coaches in winning percentage , trailing only Belichick.
But he's a jackass.
Hope Hugh Jackson turns into a jackass.
Zombo
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Tomlin is a fvcking jackass. Haley was his scapegoat.
One trophy with a first ballot HOF QB. Harbawl has that many with Flacco.
OK, so, he's 116-60. Two Super Bowls, One ring. 8-7 in the postseason.
Poor Ben has been stuck in a Top Ten offense four straight years, Top five passing game past three years.
Tomlin has made the playoffs eight times in eleven years, never had a losing season.
He is 5th in active coaches in wins, He is second to active coaches in winning percentage , trailing only Belichick.
But he's a jackass.
Hope Hugh Jackson turns into a jackass.
Zombo
Zombo said:
OK, so, he's 116-60. Two Super Bowls, One ring. 8-7 in the postseason.
Poor Ben has been stuck in a Top Ten offense four straight years, Top five passing game past three years.
Tomlin has made the playoffs eight times in eleven years, never had a losing season.
He is 5th in active coaches in wins, He is second to active coaches in winning percentage , trailing only Belichick.
But he's a jackass.
Hope Hugh Jackson turns into a jackass.
Zombo
Right, I will take that kind of jackass. I mean, it is true that a winning coach CAN be a jackass....see Bill Belichick, and it helps that he has an HOF caliber QB. That always helps., but it is only a part of it.
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Hopefully for us old, old boomer browns boosters big Ben will finally crack up some this year. L. Bell doesn't have a stellar year and most importantly my FL WR A. Brown who is instant offense continues to show his age and injuries......I know a guy who can rack up 30-40 FL points sits out your replacement gets 12-14 you lose!
The steelrz didn't exactly anililate the BROWNS last year despite everything the BROWNS could have stole one easily.
So Santa now you know what we want for Christmas, you can start delivering in September.
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Tomlin is a fvcking jackass. Haley was his scapegoat.
One trophy with a first ballot HOF QB. Harbawl has that many with Flacco.
OK, so, he's 116-60. Two Super Bowls, One ring. 8-7 in the postseason.
Poor Ben has been stuck in a Top Ten offense four straight years, Top five passing game past three years.
Tomlin has made the playoffs eight times in eleven years, never had a losing season.
He is 5th in active coaches in wins, He is second to active coaches in winning percentage , trailing only Belichick.
But he's a jackass.
Hope Hugh Jackson turns into a jackass.
Zombo
Zombo said:
OK, so, he's 116-60. Two Super Bowls, One ring. 8-7 in the postseason.
Poor Ben has been stuck in a Top Ten offense four straight years, Top five passing game past three years.
Tomlin has made the playoffs eight times in eleven years, never had a losing season.
He is 5th in active coaches in wins, He is second to active coaches in winning percentage , trailing only Belichick.
But he's a jackass.
Hope Hugh Jackson turns into a jackass.
Zombo
8 - 7 in the post season sucks with a 1st ballot HOF QB. Tomlin is hanging by a thread to stay above .500.
3 years out of 11 missed the post season
4 years out of 11 lost in the 1st round.
7 years or 63% of Tomlins post season career amount to 0 post season wins.
1 year lost Divisional round
1 year lost AFC Championship.
2 AFC Championships wins
Tomlin is 66% in AFC Championships.
1 Super Bowl loss
1 Super Bowl win.
Tomlin is .500 in Super Bowls
Bens passing numbers improved because of Haley. The Steelers GM keeps going out there and finding stud players for Ben. Tomlins job is to convert all that into Lombardi trophies something that he has failed to do 10 times out of 11.
No, you do not want Hue to be like Tomlin and Sheet the bed every season. Trust me on that. Making the playoffs gets old losing every damn year.
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yeah, gets so old. making those playoffs every year. what fan base wants their team playing meaninful games in january, fuk my as-ss running eh? i mean the curling season is in full swing by then, who needs football hanging around as a distraction?
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Zombo said:
OK, so, he's 116-60. Two Super Bowls, One ring. 8-7 in the postseason.
Poor Ben has been stuck in a Top Ten offense four straight years, Top five passing game past three years.
Tomlin has made the playoffs eight times in eleven years, never had a losing season.
He is 5th in active coaches in wins, He is second to active coaches in winning percentage , trailing only Belichick.
But he's a jackass.
Hope Hugh Jackson turns into a jackass.
Zombo
8 - 7 in the post season sucks with a 1st ballot HOF QB. Tomlin is hanging by a thread to stay above .500.
3 years out of 11 missed the post season
4 years out of 11 lost in the 1st round.
7 years or 63% of Tomlins post season career amount to 0 post season wins.
1 year lost Divisional round
1 year lost AFC Championship.
2 AFC Championships wins
Tomlin is 66% in AFC Championships.
1 Super Bowl loss
1 Super Bowl win.
Tomlin is .500 in Super Bowls
Bens passing numbers improved because of Haley. The Steelers GM keeps going out there and finding stud players for Ben. Tomlins job is to convert all that into Lombardi trophies something that he has failed to do 10 times out of 11.
No, you do not want Hue to be like Tomlin and Sheet the bed every season. Trust me on that. Making the playoffs gets old losing every damn year.
8 - 7 in the post season sucks with a 1st ballot HOF QB. Tomlin is hanging by a thread to stay above .500.
3 years out of 11 missed the post season
4 years out of 11 lost in the 1st round.
7 years or 63% of Tomlins post season career amount to 0 post season wins.
1 year lost Divisional round
1 year lost AFC Championship.
2 AFC Championships wins
Tomlin is 66% in AFC Championships.
1 Super Bowl loss
1 Super Bowl win.
Tomlin is .500 in Super Bowls
Bens passing numbers improved because of Haley. The Steelers GM keeps going out there and finding stud players for Ben. Tomlins job is to convert all that into Lombardi trophies something that he has failed to do 10 times out of 11.
No, you do not want Hue to be like Tomlin and Sheet the bed every season. Trust me on that. Making the playoffs gets old losing every damn year.
It's not easy to be above .500 in the postseason.
Coach's get measured by wins and losses. Tomlin has a better win pct than 30 of the other 31 coaches... but that's not good enough for you.
Apparently Sean Payton and Mike McCarthy blow too, because they only have one championship with a HOF QB too.
I guess if you're not Belichick ... you blow.
Z
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8 - 7 in the post season sucks with a 1st ballot HOF QB. Tomlin is hanging by a thread to stay above .500.
3 years out of 11 missed the post season
4 years out of 11 lost in the 1st round.
7 years or 63% of Tomlins post season career amount to 0 post season wins.
1 year lost Divisional round
1 year lost AFC Championship.
2 AFC Championships wins
Tomlin is 66% in AFC Championships.
1 Super Bowl loss
1 Super Bowl win.
Tomlin is .500 in Super Bowls
Bens passing numbers improved because of Haley. The Steelers GM keeps going out there and finding stud players for Ben. Tomlins job is to convert all that into Lombardi trophies something that he has failed to do 10 times out of 11.
No, you do not want Hue to be like Tomlin and Sheet the bed every season. Trust me on that. Making the playoffs gets old losing every damn year.
It's not easy to be above .500 in the postseason.
Coach's get measured by wins and losses. Tomlin has a better win pct than 30 of the other 31 coaches... but that's not good enough for you.
Apparently Sean Payton and Mike McCarthy blow too, because they only have one championship with a HOF QB too.
I guess if you're not Belichick ... you blow.
Z
Zombo said:
It's not easy to be above .500 in the postseason.
Coach's get measured by wins and losses. Tomlin has a better win pct than 30 of the other 31 coaches... but that's not good enough for you.
Apparently Sean Payton and Mike McCarthy blow too, because they only have one championship with a HOF QB too.
I guess if you're not Belichick ... you blow.
Z
The great coaches and franchises are measured by Championships.
If Bens goes out with only 1 ring it will be a travesty. Same for Brees and Rodgers. Those kind of QBs come around once in a lifetime. The Saints landed in serious cap trouble after winning their Super Bowl and had to jettison good players, but they are back.
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Zombo said:
It's not easy to be above .500 in the postseason.
Coach's get measured by wins and losses. Tomlin has a better win pct than 30 of the other 31 coaches... but that's not good enough for you.
Apparently Sean Payton and Mike McCarthy blow too, because they only have one championship with a HOF QB too.
I guess if you're not Belichick ... you blow.
Z
The great coaches and franchises are measured by Championships.
If Bens goes out with only 1 ring it will be a travesty. Same for Brees and Rodgers. Those kind of QBs come around once in a lifetime. The Saints landed in serious cap trouble after winning their Super Bowl and had to jettison good players, but they are back.
The great coaches and franchises are measured by Championships.
If Bens goes out with only 1 ring it will be a travesty. Same for Brees and Rodgers. Those kind of QBs come around once in a lifetime. The Saints landed in serious cap trouble after winning their Super Bowl and had to jettison good players, but they are back.
They're back ... Tomlin's Steelers never left.
Just because you have a Hall of Fame QB doesnt mean you have to win multiple championships.
I am no Steeler fan. Not making an argument that Mike Tomlin is a HOF coach or anything ... Just saying hes NOT a jackass holding Ben's career back.
Shula, a proven champion and one of the greatest coaches of all time never won a SB with Dan Marino one of the greatest QBs of all time.
Bud Grant ... Fran Tarkenton.
Don Coryell ... Dan Fouts
All Jackasses.
The guy's been to two Super Bowls and wins every year and you're bitching .... We're just trying to win a football game.
Z
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Zombo said:
It's not easy to be above .500 in the postseason.
Coach's get measured by wins and losses. Tomlin has a better win pct than 30 of the other 31 coaches... but that's not good enough for you.
Apparently Sean Payton and Mike McCarthy blow too, because they only have one championship with a HOF QB too.
I guess if you're not Belichick ... you blow.
Z
The great coaches and franchises are measured by Championships.
If Bens goes out with only 1 ring it will be a travesty. Same for Brees and Rodgers. Those kind of QBs come around once in a lifetime. The Saints landed in serious cap trouble after winning their Super Bowl and had to jettison good players, but they are back.
The great coaches and franchises are measured by Championships.
If Bens goes out with only 1 ring it will be a travesty. Same for Brees and Rodgers. Those kind of QBs come around once in a lifetime. The Saints landed in serious cap trouble after winning their Super Bowl and had to jettison good players, but they are back.
FYI Ben or already has two rings. (I wager he gets no more)
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The great coaches and franchises are measured by Championships.
If Bens goes out with only 1 ring it will be a travesty. Same for Brees and Rodgers. Those kind of QBs come around once in a lifetime. The Saints landed in serious cap trouble after winning their Super Bowl and had to jettison good players, but they are back.
They're back ... Tomlin's Steelers never left.
Just because you have a Hall of Fame QB doesnt mean you have to win multiple championships.
I am no Steeler fan. Not making an argument that Mike Tomlin is a HOF coach or anything ... Just saying hes NOT a jackass holding Ben's career back.
Shula, a proven champion and one of the greatest coaches of all time never won a SB with Dan Marino one of the greatest QBs of all time.
Bud Grant ... Fran Tarkenton.
Don Coryell ... Dan Fouts
All Jackasses.
The guy's been to two Super Bowls and wins every year and you're bitching .... We're just trying to win a football game.
Z
Zombo said:
They're back ... Tomlin's Steelers never left.
Just because you have a Hall of Fame QB doesnt mean you have to win multiple championships.
I am no Steeler fan. Not making an argument that Mike Tomlin is a HOF coach or anything ... Just saying hes NOT a jackass holding Ben's career back.
Shula, a proven champion and one of the greatest coaches of all time never won a SB with Dan Marino one of the greatest QBs of all time.
Bud Grant ... Fran Tarkenton.
Don Coryell ... Dan Fouts
All Jackasses.
The guy's been to two Super Bowls and wins every year and you're bitching .... We're just trying to win a football game.
Z
Im no Steelers fan, but I can recognize who is screwing things up and its not Ben. Love him or hate him the Ben makes plays out of nothing. The least of the Steelers problems is the QB which is the most important player on the team. Without one, you're not winning jack sheet. Dont take it from me that Tomlin is an idiot, Terry Bradshaw has no faith him and calls him a glorified cheerleader. Do you see a great defensive guru over there on the Steelers sidelines or playcalling genius? Because I dont and only see a guy who sticks his jaw out and talks tough like he is a badass. When you are not ready at your own house for the Jacksonville Jaguars last post season that is on the head coach.
If Haley was not offered up as the sacrificial lamb then the powers that be wanted Tomlin out. Why? Because they have a Super Bowl team and cant win a damn post season game. 7 times its happened.
You wont understand that anything short of a world championship is failure until the Browns win the first Super Bowl and have the team to do it. After you fly 1st class just having a seat on the plane is not good enough. Winning in the regular season is meaningless for a handful of teams like Steelers, Patriots, Packers, Saints, Cowboys, Ohio State, Alabama.
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The great coaches and franchises are measured by Championships.
If Bens goes out with only 1 ring it will be a travesty. Same for Brees and Rodgers. Those kind of QBs come around once in a lifetime. The Saints landed in serious cap trouble after winning their Super Bowl and had to jettison good players, but they are back.
FYI Ben or already has two rings. (I wager he gets no more)
I am just FYI Ben or already has two rings
Youre right Atty
Forgot the one with Cowher. But it underscores that Cowher left Tomlin a Super Bowl team. Cowher never had a QB until Ben showed up. Bens rookie year they made to the AFCC. The next year they won the Super Bowl. One does not need to suspend disbelief to think that if Cowher didnt retire that he would win the Super Bowl again with Ben.
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The great coaches and franchises are measured by Championships.
If Bens goes out with only 1 ring it will be a travesty. Same for Brees and Rodgers. Those kind of QBs come around once in a lifetime. The Saints landed in serious cap trouble after winning their Super Bowl and had to jettison good players, but they are back.
They're back ... Tomlin's Steelers never left.
Just because you have a Hall of Fame QB doesnt mean you have to win multiple championships.
I am no Steeler fan. Not making an argument that Mike Tomlin is a HOF coach or anything ... Just saying hes NOT a jackass holding Ben's career back.
Shula, a proven champion and one of the greatest coaches of all time never won a SB with Dan Marino one of the greatest QBs of all time.
Bud Grant ... Fran Tarkenton.
Don Coryell ... Dan Fouts
All Jackasses.
The guy's been to two Super Bowls and wins every year and you're bitching .... We're just trying to win a football game.
Z
Zombo said:
They're back ... Tomlin's Steelers never left.
The Saints are back from cap hell.
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Zombo said:
They're back ... Tomlin's Steelers never left.
Just because you have a Hall of Fame QB doesnt mean you have to win multiple championships.
I am no Steeler fan. Not making an argument that Mike Tomlin is a HOF coach or anything ... Just saying hes NOT a jackass holding Ben's career back.
Shula, a proven champion and one of the greatest coaches of all time never won a SB with Dan Marino one of the greatest QBs of all time.
Bud Grant ... Fran Tarkenton.
Don Coryell ... Dan Fouts
All Jackasses.
The guy's been to two Super Bowls and wins every year and you're bitching .... We're just trying to win a football game.
Z
Im no Steelers fan, but I can recognize who is screwing things up and its not Ben. Love him or hate him the Ben makes plays out of nothing. The least of the Steelers problems is the QB which is the most important player on the team. Without one, you're not winning jack sheet. Dont take it from me that Tomlin is an idiot, Terry Bradshaw has no faith him and calls him a glorified cheerleader. Do you see a great defensive guru over there on the Steelers sidelines or playcalling genius? Because I dont and only see a guy who sticks his jaw out and talks tough like he is a badass. When you are not ready at your own house for the Jacksonville Jaguars last post season that is on the head coach.
If Haley was not offered up as the sacrificial lamb then the powers that be wanted Tomlin out. Why? Because they have a Super Bowl team and cant win a damn post season game. 7 times its happened.
You wont understand that anything short of a world championship is failure until the Browns win the first Super Bowl and have the team to do it. After you fly 1st class just having a seat on the plane is not good enough. Winning in the regular season is meaningless for a handful of teams like Steelers, Patriots, Packers, Saints, Cowboys, Ohio State, Alabama.
Im no Steelers fan, but I can recognize who is screwing things up and its not Ben. Love him or hate him the Ben makes plays out of nothing. The least of the Steelers problems is the QB which is the most important player on the team. Without one, you're not winning jack sheet. Dont take it from me that Tomlin is an idiot, Terry Bradshaw has no faith him and calls him a glorified cheerleader. Do you see a great defensive guru over there on the Steelers sidelines or playcalling genius? Because I dont and only see a guy who sticks his jaw out and talks tough like he is a badass. When you are not ready at your own house for the Jacksonville Jaguars last post season that is on the head coach.
If Haley was not offered up as the sacrificial lamb then the powers that be wanted Tomlin out. Why? Because they have a Super Bowl team and cant win a damn post season game. 7 times its happened.
You wont understand that anything short of a world championship is failure until the Browns win the first Super Bowl and have the team to do it. After you fly 1st class just having a seat on the plane is not good enough. Winning in the regular season is meaningless for a handful of teams like Steelers, Patriots, Packers, Saints, Cowboys, Ohio State, Alabama.
There it is ... the old "you don't understand what winning is about because you're a Browns fan" argument ... the stupidest of them all.
I'm a huge sports fan, a Huge NFL fan for 50 of my 54 years, and I'm pretty sure I get it.
I also get that the "How many rings" argument is not the end all/be all argument in sports, it is just a way for lazy people to try an end an argument.
This whole "ring is the only thing" argument covers QBs as well as coaches, no?
So then Ben has the same postseason record as Tomlin in the past 13 years and has lost seven times in the playoffs too, and all the other stats you quote above ... they go for QBs too, right?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Ben have two turnovers in the first half to help his team get in a 28-7 hole to Jacksonville?
You act like Ben should have a mantle full of Championships because he is a HOF QB.
I think he's playing with House Money with 3 SBs and two rings. No one is holding him back from further greatness other than ... Tom Brady.
Ben is not on Tom Brady level. He is not on Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers or the retired Peyton Manning level either ... he has always been on the next notch below that.
Nothing wrong with that, he has had a great career, but to say he deserves more rings and his coach holds him back is ludicrous.
He has never been first team All-Pro or NFL MVP.
He has never been the very best at his position, he is usually somewhere between 5th and 9th.
He's played 14 seasons, he was named to the Pro Bowl 6 times ... as a backup.
He's very good. And he should be thankful that he has been on good teams with good defenses, good running games and good weapons..
You could make an argument that maybe Peyton Manning should have won more championships, and maybe Eli Manning should have won less. But Ben feels about right at two wins in three appearances. Let's face it, the first one, his job was to just not fuck it up. The two he got to under Tomlin he deserved ... they both deserved.
I'm just a simple Browns fan, but I'm pretty sure if the ring argument applies to Tomlin, it applies to Ben.
Poor Ben, stuck with the second winningest coach in the NFL. He must be so jealous of his draft classmate Phillip Rivers (More Tds, higher comp. %, higher passer rating, more Pro Bowls, less talent around him, coaching carousel ... no rings)
Zombo
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Im no Steelers fan, but I can recognize who is screwing things up and its not Ben. Love him or hate him the Ben makes plays out of nothing. The least of the Steelers problems is the QB which is the most important player on the team. Without one, you're not winning jack sheet. Dont take it from me that Tomlin is an idiot, Terry Bradshaw has no faith him and calls him a glorified cheerleader. Do you see a great defensive guru over there on the Steelers sidelines or playcalling genius? Because I dont and only see a guy who sticks his jaw out and talks tough like he is a badass. When you are not ready at your own house for the Jacksonville Jaguars last post season that is on the head coach.
If Haley was not offered up as the sacrificial lamb then the powers that be wanted Tomlin out. Why? Because they have a Super Bowl team and cant win a damn post season game. 7 times its happened.
You wont understand that anything short of a world championship is failure until the Browns win the first Super Bowl and have the team to do it. After you fly 1st class just having a seat on the plane is not good enough. Winning in the regular season is meaningless for a handful of teams like Steelers, Patriots, Packers, Saints, Cowboys, Ohio State, Alabama.
There it is ... the old "you don't understand what winning is about because you're a Browns fan" argument ... the stupidest of them all.
I'm a huge sports fan, a Huge NFL fan for 50 of my 54 years, and I'm pretty sure I get it.
I also get that the "How many rings" argument is not the end all/be all argument in sports, it is just a way for lazy people to try an end an argument.
This whole "ring is the only thing" argument covers QBs as well as coaches, no?
So then Ben has the same postseason record as Tomlin in the past 13 years and has lost seven times in the playoffs too, and all the other stats you quote above ... they go for QBs too, right?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Ben have two turnovers in the first half to help his team get in a 28-7 hole to Jacksonville?
You act like Ben should have a mantle full of Championships because he is a HOF QB.
I think he's playing with House Money with 3 SBs and two rings. No one is holding him back from further greatness other than ... Tom Brady.
Ben is not on Tom Brady level. He is not on Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers or the retired Peyton Manning level either ... he has always been on the next notch below that.
Nothing wrong with that, he has had a great career, but to say he deserves more rings and his coach holds him back is ludicrous.
He has never been first team All-Pro or NFL MVP.
He has never been the very best at his position, he is usually somewhere between 5th and 9th.
He's played 14 seasons, he was named to the Pro Bowl 6 times ... as a backup.
He's very good. And he should be thankful that he has been on good teams with good defenses, good running games and good weapons..
You could make an argument that maybe Peyton Manning should have won more championships, and maybe Eli Manning should have won less. But Ben feels about right at two wins in three appearances. Let's face it, the first one, his job was to just not fuck it up. The two he got to under Tomlin he deserved ... they both deserved.
I'm just a simple Browns fan, but I'm pretty sure if the ring argument applies to Tomlin, it applies to Ben.
Poor Ben, stuck with the second winningest coach in the NFL. He must be so jealous of his draft classmate Phillip Rivers (More Tds, higher comp. %, higher passer rating, more Pro Bowls, less talent around him, coaching carousel ... no rings)
Zombo
Zombo said:
There it is ... the old "you don't understand what winning is about because you're a Browns fan" argument ... the stupidest of them all.
I'm a huge sports fan, a Huge NFL fan for 50 of my 54 years, and I'm pretty sure I get it.
I also get that the "How many rings" argument is not the end all/be all argument in sports, it is just a way for lazy people to try an end an argument.
This whole "ring is the only thing" argument covers QBs as well as coaches, no?
So then Ben has the same postseason record as Tomlin in the past 13 years and has lost seven times in the playoffs too, and all the other stats you quote above ... they go for QBs too, right?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Ben have two turnovers in the first half to help his team get in a 28-7 hole to Jacksonville?
You act like Ben should have a mantle full of Championships because he is a HOF QB.
I think he's playing with House Money with 3 SBs and two rings. No one is holding him back from further greatness other than ... Tom Brady.
Ben is not on Tom Brady level. He is not on Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers or the retired Peyton Manning level either ... he has always been on the next notch below that.
Nothing wrong with that, he has had a great career, but to say he deserves more rings and his coach holds him back is ludicrous.
He has never been first team All-Pro or NFL MVP.
He has never been the very best at his position, he is usually somewhere between 5th and 9th.
He's played 14 seasons, he was named to the Pro Bowl 6 times ... as a backup.
He's very good. And he should be thankful that he has been on good teams with good defenses, good running games and good weapons..
You could make an argument that maybe Peyton Manning should have won more championships, and maybe Eli Manning should have won less. But Ben feels about right at two wins in three appearances. Let's face it, the first one, his job was to just not Shmuck it up. The two he got to under Tomlin he deserved ... they both deserved.
I'm just a simple Browns fan, but I'm pretty sure if the ring argument applies to Tomlin, it applies to Ben.
Poor Ben, stuck with the second winningest coach in the NFL. He must be so jealous of his draft classmate Phillip Rivers (More Tds, higher comp. %, higher passer rating, more Pro Bowls, less talent around him, coaching carousel ... no rings)
Zombo
First off, I was not using the fact that because of the Browns that you would not know about winning. The Browns 7 Championships belies my point. The Browns are revered as one of the great dynasties in football history. You strive to be the best. Ghoolie has it right. Fvck all silver lining BS after you fall on your face. I am not here to insult anyone for loving their football team.
Second, I am not lazy or trying to end any argument. I am not backing down about Tomlin. His butt will be gone if the Steelers do not at least make it to the Super Bowl. Tomlins teams are undisciplined. Antonio Brown should have never recorded Tomlins dumbass post game speech that "We got something for that Patriots butt"
Ben should have more than 1 trophy with Tomlin. Talk to any Steeler fan and ask them yourself. I have been to Pittsburgh the past 2 years and they are not happy campers just because they won another Division banner. The post Ben narrative will be that he could have won more Championships. Brady is lucky to play for the GOAT in Belichick.
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Zombo said:
There it is ... the old "you don't understand what winning is about because you're a Browns fan" argument ... the stupidest of them all.
I'm a huge sports fan, a Huge NFL fan for 50 of my 54 years, and I'm pretty sure I get it.
I also get that the "How many rings" argument is not the end all/be all argument in sports, it is just a way for lazy people to try an end an argument.
This whole "ring is the only thing" argument covers QBs as well as coaches, no?
So then Ben has the same postseason record as Tomlin in the past 13 years and has lost seven times in the playoffs too, and all the other stats you quote above ... they go for QBs too, right?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Ben have two turnovers in the first half to help his team get in a 28-7 hole to Jacksonville?
You act like Ben should have a mantle full of Championships because he is a HOF QB.
I think he's playing with House Money with 3 SBs and two rings. No one is holding him back from further greatness other than ... Tom Brady.
Ben is not on Tom Brady level. He is not on Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers or the retired Peyton Manning level either ... he has always been on the next notch below that.
Nothing wrong with that, he has had a great career, but to say he deserves more rings and his coach holds him back is ludicrous.
He has never been first team All-Pro or NFL MVP.
He has never been the very best at his position, he is usually somewhere between 5th and 9th.
He's played 14 seasons, he was named to the Pro Bowl 6 times ... as a backup.
He's very good. And he should be thankful that he has been on good teams with good defenses, good running games and good weapons..
You could make an argument that maybe Peyton Manning should have won more championships, and maybe Eli Manning should have won less. But Ben feels about right at two wins in three appearances. Let's face it, the first one, his job was to just not Shmuck it up. The two he got to under Tomlin he deserved ... they both deserved.
I'm just a simple Browns fan, but I'm pretty sure if the ring argument applies to Tomlin, it applies to Ben.
Poor Ben, stuck with the second winningest coach in the NFL. He must be so jealous of his draft classmate Phillip Rivers (More Tds, higher comp. %, higher passer rating, more Pro Bowls, less talent around him, coaching carousel ... no rings)
Zombo
First off, I was not using the fact that because of the Browns that you would not know about winning. The Browns 7 Championships belies my point. The Browns are revered as one of the great dynasties in football history. You strive to be the best. Ghoolie has it right. Fvck all silver lining BS after you fall on your face. I am not here to insult anyone for loving their football team.
Second, I am not lazy or trying to end any argument. I am not backing down about Tomlin. His butt will be gone if the Steelers do not at least make it to the Super Bowl. Tomlins teams are undisciplined. Antonio Brown should have never recorded Tomlins dumbass post game speech that "We got something for that Patriots butt"
Ben should have more than 1 trophy with Tomlin. Talk to any Steeler fan and ask them yourself. I have been to Pittsburgh the past 2 years and they are not happy campers just because they won another Division banner. The post Ben narrative will be that he could have won more Championships. Brady is lucky to play for the GOAT in Belichick.
First off, I was not using the fact that because of the Browns that you would not know about winning. The Browns 7 Championships belies my point. The Browns are revered as one of the great dynasties in football history. You strive to be the best. Ghoolie has it right. Fvck all silver lining BS after you fall on your face. I am not here to insult anyone for loving their football team.
Second, I am not lazy or trying to end any argument. I am not backing down about Tomlin. His butt will be gone if the Steelers do not at least make it to the Super Bowl. Tomlins teams are undisciplined. Antonio Brown should have never recorded Tomlins dumbass post game speech that "We got something for that Patriots butt"
Ben should have more than 1 trophy with Tomlin. Talk to any Steeler fan and ask them yourself. I have been to Pittsburgh the past 2 years and they are not happy campers just because they won another Division banner. The post Ben narrative will be that he could have won more Championships. Brady is lucky to play for the GOAT in Belichick.
I am deeper into Steeler land than you will ever know.
I know how they feel. I know how they bitch about Tomlin. They're idiots.
Belichick is pretty fortunate to have Brady as well.
Zombo
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I am just FYI Ben or already has two rings
Youre right Atty
Forgot the one with Cowher. But it underscores that Cowher left Tomlin a Super Bowl team. Cowher never had a QB until Ben showed up. Bens rookie year they made to the AFCC. The next year they won the Super Bowl. One does not need to suspend disbelief to think that if Cowher didnt retire that he would win the Super Bowl again with Ben.
Youre right Atty
Forgot the one with Cowher. But it underscores that Cowher left Tomlin a Super Bowl team. Cowher never had a QB until Ben showed up. Bens rookie year they made to the AFCC. The next year they won the Super Bowl. One does not need to suspend disbelief to think that if Cowher didnt retire that he would win the Super Bowl again with Ben.
List of QBs who have won 2 or more titles:
Champion Quarterbacks listed by number of wins, then year Rank Quarterback Team NFL Season Total
ChampionshipsNFL Champs Super Bowls 1 Bart Starr† Packers 1961, 1962, 1965, 1966, 1967 1966, 1967 (pre 1970) 5 Tom Brady Patriots 2001, 2003, 2004, 2014, 2016 3 Sid Luckman*† Bears 1940, 1941, 1943, 1946 4 Terry Bradshaw† Steelers 1974, 1975, 1978, 1979 Joe Montana† 49ers 1981, 1984, 1988, 1989 6 Otto Graham† Browns 1950, 1954, 1955 3 Johnny Unitas† Colts 1958, 1959 1970 Len Dawson† Dallas Texans
ChiefsAFL 1962, 1966, 1969 1969 (pre 1970) Troy Aikman† Cowboys 1992, 1993, 1995 10 Ed Danowski* Giants 1934, 1938 2 Arnie Herber *† Packers 1936, 1939 Sammy Baugh *† Redskins 1937, 1942 Bob Waterfield*† Rams 1945, 1951 Tommy Thompson* Eagles 1948, 1949 Bobby Layne† Lions 1952, 1953 Tobin Rote ^ Lions 1957 Chargers AFL 1963 George Blanda† Oilers AFL 1960, 1961 Jack Kemp Bills AFL 1964, 1965 Roger Staubach† Cowboys 1971, 1977 Bob Griese† Dolphins 1972, 1973 Jim Plunkett Raiders 1980, 1983 John Elway† Broncos 1997, 1998 Ben Roethlisberger Steelers 2005, 2008 Peyton Manning ^ Colts 2006 Broncos 2015 Eli Manning Giants 2007, 2011 Of course there is a major error in this list: Otto Graham has 7, not 3.
Plus, they give Dawson 3...because he won an AFL title....but lost a Super Bowl that year. I don't think that counts at all. Yes, Kemp and Blanda's two each count....because they won their titles and that was the end of it. Dawson lost that Super Bowl...so that is not a title in my view.
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Note in the above post that there are only 5 QBs who have won 2 Championships who are not in the HOF:
Ed Danowski
Tommy Thompson
Tobin Rote
Jack Kemp
Jim Plunkett
Should any of these be put into the HOF?
(Brady, Peyton/Eli not in....Brady and Peyton shoe ins to go......what about Eli?
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Zombo said:
OK, so, he's 116-60. Two Super Bowls, One ring. 8-7 in the postseason.
Poor Ben has been stuck in a Top Ten offense four straight years, Top five passing game past three years.
Tomlin has made the playoffs eight times in eleven years, never had a losing season.
He is 5th in active coaches in wins, He is second to active coaches in winning percentage , trailing only Belichick.
But he's a jackass.
Hope Hugh Jackson turns into a jackass.
Zombo
8 - 7 in the post season sucks with a 1st ballot HOF QB. Tomlin is hanging by a thread to stay above .500.
3 years out of 11 missed the post season
4 years out of 11 lost in the 1st round.
7 years or 63% of Tomlins post season career amount to 0 post season wins.
1 year lost Divisional round
1 year lost AFC Championship.
2 AFC Championships wins
Tomlin is 66% in AFC Championships.
1 Super Bowl loss
1 Super Bowl win.
Tomlin is .500 in Super Bowls
Bens passing numbers improved because of Haley. The Steelers GM keeps going out there and finding stud players for Ben. Tomlins job is to convert all that into Lombardi trophies something that he has failed to do 10 times out of 11.
No, you do not want Hue to be like Tomlin and Sheet the bed every season. Trust me on that. Making the playoffs gets old losing every damn year.
Trust me on that. Making the playoffs gets old losing every damn year.
How would you know ?
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Zombo said:
There it is ... the old "you don't understand what winning is about because you're a Browns fan" argument ... the stupidest of them all.
I'm a huge sports fan, a Huge NFL fan for 50 of my 54 years, and I'm pretty sure I get it.
I also get that the "How many rings" argument is not the end all/be all argument in sports, it is just a way for lazy people to try an end an argument.
This whole "ring is the only thing" argument covers QBs as well as coaches, no?
So then Ben has the same postseason record as Tomlin in the past 13 years and has lost seven times in the playoffs too, and all the other stats you quote above ... they go for QBs too, right?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Ben have two turnovers in the first half to help his team get in a 28-7 hole to Jacksonville?
You act like Ben should have a mantle full of Championships because he is a HOF QB.
I think he's playing with House Money with 3 SBs and two rings. No one is holding him back from further greatness other than ... Tom Brady.
Ben is not on Tom Brady level. He is not on Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers or the retired Peyton Manning level either ... he has always been on the next notch below that.
Nothing wrong with that, he has had a great career, but to say he deserves more rings and his coach holds him back is ludicrous.
He has never been first team All-Pro or NFL MVP.
He has never been the very best at his position, he is usually somewhere between 5th and 9th.
He's played 14 seasons, he was named to the Pro Bowl 6 times ... as a backup.
He's very good. And he should be thankful that he has been on good teams with good defenses, good running games and good weapons..
You could make an argument that maybe Peyton Manning should have won more championships, and maybe Eli Manning should have won less. But Ben feels about right at two wins in three appearances. Let's face it, the first one, his job was to just not Shmuck it up. The two he got to under Tomlin he deserved ... they both deserved.
I'm just a simple Browns fan, but I'm pretty sure if the ring argument applies to Tomlin, it applies to Ben.
Poor Ben, stuck with the second winningest coach in the NFL. He must be so jealous of his draft classmate Phillip Rivers (More Tds, higher comp. %, higher passer rating, more Pro Bowls, less talent around him, coaching carousel ... no rings)
Zombo
First off, I was not using the fact that because of the Browns that you would not know about winning. The Browns 7 Championships belies my point. The Browns are revered as one of the great dynasties in football history. You strive to be the best. Ghoolie has it right. Fvck all silver lining BS after you fall on your face. I am not here to insult anyone for loving their football team.
Second, I am not lazy or trying to end any argument. I am not backing down about Tomlin. His butt will be gone if the Steelers do not at least make it to the Super Bowl. Tomlins teams are undisciplined. Antonio Brown should have never recorded Tomlins dumbass post game speech that "We got something for that Patriots butt"
Ben should have more than 1 trophy with Tomlin. Talk to any Steeler fan and ask them yourself. I have been to Pittsburgh the past 2 years and they are not happy campers just because they won another Division banner. The post Ben narrative will be that he could have won more Championships. Brady is lucky to play for the GOAT in Belichick.
First off, I was not using the fact that because of the Browns that you would not know about winning. The Browns 7 Championships belies my point.
The Browns have 8 Championships, not 7.
The Browns are revered as one of the great dynasties in football history. You strive to be the best. Ghoolie has it right. Fvck all silver lining BS after you fall on your face. I am not here to insult anyone for loving their football team.
Second, I am not lazy or trying to end any argument. I am not backing down about Tomlin. His butt will be gone if the Steelers do not at least make it to the Super Bowl. Tomlins teams are undisciplined. Antonio Brown should have never recorded Tomlins dumbass post game speech that "We got something for that Patriots butt"
Ben should have more than 1 trophy with Tomlin.
Why? When the other teams they played were better. They were better. I do NOT think that the Steelers should have more titles. I think they are lucky and privileged to have gotten the two they got. The Seahawks should have beat them....but for the referring basically giving the Steelers that game. The Cardinals should have beat them. Steelers got lucky on that 100 yard return for a TD by Harrison that should never have happened. And it took a miracle last second catch by Santonio Holmes. By rights, the Steelers should have lost both those games...but luck, as usual, was to their advantage. And I don't know of ANY AFC title game that they did not win that they should have, not really.
Talk to any Steeler fan and ask them yourself. I have been to Pittsburgh the past 2 years and they are not happy campers just because they won another Division banner. The post Ben narrative will be that he could have won more Championships. Brady is lucky to play for the GOAT in Belichick.
NO, BB is lucky to have the GOAT Brady play for him. And if Steeler fans are not happy campers, wait til Ben goes down or retires, and their losing ways start to set in. F-U-C-K Steeler fans if any of them think they way. They got two recent very lucky SB wins. If they think they should have more, they are effing delusional...as you may be.
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