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UN anti-gun, anti-ammunition fraud doesn't influence our America

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  • C calfoxwc

    The underhanded ulterior motive, is an across the board gun registration in the U.S.

    Note that Pres Trump, Pres Bush and John Bolton stood up for our 2nd Amendment.

    Obamao didn't, for gun control reasons.

    Can't tax guns out of ownership without knowing where they are. Can't harass gun owners without knowing where the guns are,

    and who the gun owners are.

    https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/arms_trade_treaty

    establish and maintain an effective national control system for the export, import, transit, and transshipment of and brokering activities related to (all defined as “transfers” in the ATT) the eight categories of conventional arms covered by the ATT, as well as exports of related ammunition and of parts and components that are used for assembling conventional arms covered by the treaty (Articles 3, 4, and 5.2);

    • establish and maintain a national control list (Article 5.3) and making it available to other states-parties (Article 5.4);
    • take measures to regulate brokering taking place under its jurisdiction (Article 10);
    • designate competent national authorities responsible for maintaining this system (Article 5.5);
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    C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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    @calfoxwc said:

    The underhanded ulterior motive, is an across the board gun registration in the U.S.

    Note that Pres Trump, Pres Bush and John Bolton stood up for our 2nd Amendment.

    Obamao didn't, for gun control reasons.

    Can't tax guns out of ownership without knowing where they are. Can't harass gun owners without knowing where the guns are,

    and who the gun owners are.

    https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/arms_trade_treaty

    establish and maintain an effective national control system for the export, import, transit, and transshipment of and brokering activities related to (all defined as “transfers” in the ATT) the eight categories of conventional arms covered by the ATT, as well as exports of related ammunition and of parts and components that are used for assembling conventional arms covered by the treaty (Articles 3, 4, and 5.2);

    • establish and maintain a national control list (Article 5.3) and making it available to other states-parties (Article 5.4);
    • take measures to regulate brokering taking place under its jurisdiction (Article 10);
    • designate competent national authorities responsible for maintaining this system (Article 5.5);
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    ok, well now we've got some meat i can chew on. ill research this later tonight. but to be clear if this just regulates how guns are exported to other countries i give no fuks and im not sure exactly why u would either

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      C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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      https://www.nraila.org/articles/20180511/swiss-gun-rights-supporters-refuse-to-capitulate-to-international-gun-controllers

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        T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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        In reading it through this seems to be the key phrase concerning arms affected.

        "applies under Article 2(1) to all conventional arms within the seven categories of the UN Register of Conventional Arms (battle tanks, armored combat vehicles, large-caliber artillery systems, combat aircraft, attack helicopters, warships, and missiles and missile launchers) and small arms and light weapons" 

        I would want to see a refining of the part on small arms and light weapons. What the hell does that mean anyway?

        The rest of the definition I get and agree with because it's obvious this has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment. But I have a problem with "small arms and light weapons". That is just too damn vague for me.

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        • T TexasAg1969

          In reading it through this seems to be the key phrase concerning arms affected.

          "applies under Article 2(1) to all conventional arms within the seven categories of the UN Register of Conventional Arms (battle tanks, armored combat vehicles, large-caliber artillery systems, combat aircraft, attack helicopters, warships, and missiles and missile launchers) and small arms and light weapons" 

          I would want to see a refining of the part on small arms and light weapons. What the hell does that mean anyway?

          The rest of the definition I get and agree with because it's obvious this has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment. But I have a problem with "small arms and light weapons". That is just too damn vague for me.

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          @texasag1969 said:

          In reading it through this seems to be the key phrase concerning arms affected.

          "applies under Article 2(1) to all conventional arms within the seven categories of the UN Register of Conventional Arms (battle tanks, armored combat vehicles, large-caliber artillery systems, combat aircraft, attack helicopters, warships, and missiles and missile launchers) and small arms and light weapons" 

          I would want to see a refining of the part on small arms and light weapons. What the hell does that mean anyway?

          The rest of the definition I get and agree with because it's obvious this has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment. But I have a problem with "small arms and light weapons". That is just too damn vague for me.

          Unfortunately I don't think it's vague whatsoever nor is it meant to be. I'm guessing that would mean anything small enough for one man to carry.

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            @texasag1969 said:

            In reading it through this seems to be the key phrase concerning arms affected.

            "applies under Article 2(1) to all conventional arms within the seven categories of the UN Register of Conventional Arms (battle tanks, armored combat vehicles, large-caliber artillery systems, combat aircraft, attack helicopters, warships, and missiles and missile launchers) and small arms and light weapons" 

            I would want to see a refining of the part on small arms and light weapons. What the hell does that mean anyway?

            The rest of the definition I get and agree with because it's obvious this has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment. But I have a problem with "small arms and light weapons". That is just too damn vague for me.

            Unfortunately I don't think it's vague whatsoever nor is it meant to be. I'm guessing that would mean anything small enough for one man to carry.

            WSS

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            @westside-steve said:

            Unfortunately I don't think it's vague whatsoever nor is it meant to be. I'm guessing that would mean anything small enough for one man to carry.

            WSS

            That is exactly why I want to see a specific listing of exactly what they mean. Light weapons can include M-60 machineguns and grenade launchers which I agree are military grade weapons and not for civilians. But if it also includes the old 1911 .45 or more modern 9mm pistols the Army carries now, forget it.

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              C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gunmakers-with-sales-slumping-at-home-ready-for-eased-export-rules/ar-AAvYesr?ocid=spartandhp

              that's all this is about. The gun lobby is ginning up false controversy cause they want to export guns easier. Same old same old. 

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                • T TexasAg1969

                  @westside-steve said:

                  Unfortunately I don't think it's vague whatsoever nor is it meant to be. I'm guessing that would mean anything small enough for one man to carry.

                  WSS

                  That is exactly why I want to see a specific listing of exactly what they mean. Light weapons can include M-60 machineguns and grenade launchers which I agree are military grade weapons and not for civilians. But if it also includes the old 1911 .45 or more modern 9mm pistols the Army carries now, forget it.

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                  C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                  @texasag1969 said:

                  That is exactly why I want to see a specific listing of exactly what they mean. Light weapons can include M-60 machineguns and grenade launchers which I agree are military grade weapons and not for civilians. But if it also includes the old 1911 .45 or more modern 9mm pistols the Army carries now, forget it.

                  If they did give you a list, they could just add to the list everything we could own.

                  https://globalnews.ca/news/3853197/un-arms-trade-treaty-bill-amendments/

                  "The former Conservative government kept Canada out of the UN treaty because it feared it was a back door way to bring back the federal gun registry."

                  © 2017 The Canadian Press

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                    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                    https://www.change.org/p/the-u-s-senate-force-the-un-to-remove-it-s-twisted-gun-statue-by-blocking-fundingjhBLvOmFvtXAmyE-800x450-noPad.jpg?151694

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                      T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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                      It says the petition is closed. Wat the fk?

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                        C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                        yeah, I saw that. wtf alright.

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