Tyrod Taylor and the Deep Ball
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browns fans still suffering from long term memory loss ic. It never ceases to amaze.
browns fans still suffering from long term memory loss ic. It never ceases to amaze.
No.. its because your afraid of the failures of the past.. Baker is on a plane the past qB's for the Browns could not attain except maybe Tim Couch.. RG Knee was damaged goods.. Seneca Wallace was overrated...and just about everyone else including Brady Quinn..was garbage... Trust me when I tell you.. Defenses do NOT fear Tuh'Rods arm..
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give tyrod a chance before ruining Mayfield. I think Mayfield could be a decent QB now, but he could be a great QB if he has time to learn the NFL. Plus, the Browns were in several games until the last minutes of the 4th quarter/OT. Tyrod gives them a chance to turn those close losses into close victories.
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give tyrod a chance before ruining Mayfield. I think Mayfield could be a decent QB now, but he could be a great QB if he has time to learn the NFL. Plus, the Browns were in several games until the last minutes of the 4th quarter/OT. Tyrod gives them a chance to turn those close losses into close victories.
give tyrod a chance before ruining Mayfield. I think Mayfield could be a decent QB now, but he could be a great QB if he has time to learn the NFL. Plus, the Browns were in several games until the last minutes of the 4th quarter/OT. Tyrod gives them a chance to turn those close losses into close victories.
Bull$hit!
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TT has more weapons and his “conservative” style won’t be so conservative with mismatch problems on offense now
while Baker may be ready there is no point in thowing him in front of the best qb this teams had arguably in over a decade
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TT has more weapons and his “conservative” style won’t be so conservative with mismatch problems on offense now
while Baker may be ready there is no point in thowing him in front of the best qb this teams had arguably in over a decade
TT has more weapons and his “conservative” style won’t be so conservative with mismatch problems on offense now
while Baker may be ready there is no point in thowing him in front of the best qb this teams had arguably in over a decade
One who was foolishly let go after a winning record and a playoff spot. Browns would have crowned him King when LeBron left.
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Tyrod Taylor and the Deep Ball
Tyrod Taylor gets the knock of being too safe with the ball and not taking enough chances. In fact, I’m on record as saying this is the only way, other than injury, Baker gets on the field (because our coaches aren’t satisfied with potential missed big plays after watching film). However, the article below somewhat dispels that line of thinking, and perhaps Tyrod’s perceived lack of “risky” or deep throwing is more a result of his lack of weapons or his coach’s game plan. That being said, Tyrod got benched for a game last year in what turned out to be one of the biggest coaching disasters in recent memory. I believe his replacement threw something like five interceptions. That’s….not good.
The article also addresses our propensity of throwing deep TOO often last year, and possibly not putting our rookie QB in the best situations. Everyone knows you can’t play sandlot football and chuck it deep ALL the time, but having the weapons we finally have, we’ll definitely need to take calculated risks to keep the defenses honest. Of course the most vital aspect of taking these chances is actually HITTING on them, and time will tell on that. I’m sure many of us remember last year when we had some nifty plays set up, only to have it ruined by a bad throw. Again, no QB makes EVERY pass, but Kizer had way more than his fair share of missed TD opportunities, especially in the red zone. Making matters worse, Kizer not only missed the TD, he often turned it over. It’s one thing to miss out on 7 points and settle for 3, but getting NONE and losing all of that momentum…it’s absolutely crushing.
Here's the article about Tyrod Taylor and throwing it deep:
There’s a slightly common misconception that quarterback Tyrod Taylor is a “safe” player who makes smart decisions and doesn’t take many risks down the field.
While that may have been somewhat true in the past, Taylor’s “avoidance” of throwing the ball downfield is “overstated,” according to Football Outsiders’ Aaron Schatz.
“Last year, Taylor threw 16 percent of passes over 15 yards downfield,” Schatz wrote in response to the Dawgs By Nature Staff’s questionnaire sent to Football Outsiders. “That ranked 24th among 35 quarterbacks with at least 200 attempts. Below average, but not last.
“You know who was last? Aaron Rodgers.”
Tell me that’s not at least a little bit surprising. When you think of Rodgers, you marvel in your mind about his big arm and ability to make the big plays down the field.
And there is another common misconception that throwing the football down the field is the only way to successfully execute a passing game. But that’s not entirely true, and it’s not an automatic precursor for success.
Schatz highlighted a player we’re all familiar with who finished third in the NFL on such “deep” attempts last season.
DeShone Kizer constantly threw the ball down the field under Hue Jackson’s play-calling last season, and we all know how that turned out. It blew up in flames, leaving tons of question marks about Jackson’s judgment in managing his rookie signal-caller.
While Taylor’s probably not going to go deep as often, hopefully because Todd Haley doesn’t put his quarterback in that position, the Browns are loaded with potential playmakers who can stretch a football field.
Throwing the ball deep is essential to maintaining balance and keeping defenses honest. That much we do know, which means the long ball is more a tool than it is the entire toolbox.
“Trust me, Taylor will make enough deep attempts to keep the offense on schedule and keep opponents from constantly playing both safeties in the box,” Schatz concluded.
The best we can hope for this season is the Browns field a balanced offense that takes measured and calculated risks. Taylor seems to be a guy who is capable of playing within his system and taking those shots when he has to.
After seeing glimpses of the passing game in Week 1, then the rushing attack in Week 2, we’ll hopefully learn more about how the Browns offensive will operate as their starters are likely going to play the entire first half against the Eagles this week.
DeShone Kizer constantly threw the ball down the field under Hue Jackson’s play-calling last season...
I guess we can rejoice that Hue is not calling the plays...
Wait...
We're already doing that.
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DeShone Kizer constantly threw the ball down the field under Hue Jackson’s play-calling last season...
I guess we can rejoice that Hue is not calling the plays...
Wait...
We're already doing that.
I guess we can rejoice that Hue is not calling the plays...
Wait...
We're already doing that.
Yeah, we were until we passed it 3 straight times from the effing 1 yard line and then ran a predictable QB draw on 4th down that almost broke the wrist of our starting QB. I haven't been THAT angry in a preseason game in forever.
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........ a Game Changer with zero NFL experience on a 1-31 team. For once, let's not Couch our next QBotF and simply let his development run its course. I think the kid is our franchise QB, but not right now.... not even close.
He's already better than "Tuh'Rod" by miles.. Quit holding the kid back... This isnt 1999
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And the long ball is over rated. . What I see in Tyrod is the ability to control the clock and control the ball. Look back at the last 4 hell 10 seasons and it is the same freaking story.. 1st half we might score one or two, but it is a lot of 3 and outs.. Defense is out there to much, we go to bend don't break.. By the 3rd and 4th quarters our Defense is spent, and we lose heart breakers in the 4th quarter.
Tyrod will give our defense time to rest as we play ball control. Plus I think it is Sheet that he can't throw the ball deep.. He just hasn't had the weapons.. He will have them in spades this year
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Tuh'rod will lose us a game or 2.. Theres a reason the Bills let him go.. No one else wanted him... But the Browns.. Why commit to a rent a bum.. when you just drafted arguably the best QB in the draft... Tuh'Rod wont make it 8 games.. Book it...
Tuh'rod will lose us a game or 2.. Theres a reason the Bills let him go.. No one else wanted him... But the Browns.. Why commit to a rent a bum.. when you just drafted arguably the best QB in the draft... Tuh'Rod wont make it 8 games.. Book it...
Taylor isn't necessarily a bum, but he is better than anything we've had at qb in a long time. I do get where you're coming from though. Baker already shows superior accuracy and pocket presence. But I'll go with the flow. Tyrod starts until the coaches are sure Mayfield is up to speed diagnosing NFL defenses in games that count.
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Tuh'rod will lose us a game or 2.. Theres a reason the Bills let him go.. No one else wanted him... But the Browns.. Why commit to a rent a bum.. when you just drafted arguably the best QB in the draft... Tuh'Rod wont make it 8 games.. Book it...
Taylor isn't necessarily a bum, but he is better than anything we've had at qb in a long time. I do get where you're coming from though. Baker already shows superior accuracy and pocket presence. But I'll go with the flow. Tyrod starts until the coaches are sure Mayfield is up to speed diagnosing NFL defenses in games that count.
Taylor isn't necessarily a bum, but he is better than anything we've had at qb in a long time. I do get where you're coming from though. Baker already shows superior accuracy and pocket presence. But I'll go with the flow. Tyrod starts until the coaches are sure Mayfield is up to speed diagnosing NFL defenses in games that count.
I've always been in the "Better to keep the rookie on the bench a little longer than needed than rush him a little sooner than he was ready for" camp.
I still think Mayfield makes at least 5 starts this season. He's on his way.
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Baker is a Game Changer.. Tuh''rod is a game manager... I want the game changer...
Game manager is a silly made up media term used instead of the term “average QB”. On this team Tyrod has an opportunity to be above average. He wasn’t asked to be a vertical QB Inc Buffalo.
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Game manager is a silly made up media term used instead of the term “average QB”. On this team Tyrod has an opportunity to be above average. He wasn’t asked to be a vertical QB Inc Buffalo.
I don't care he blows...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Baker is a Game Changer.. Tuh''rod is a game manager... I want the game changer...
Black Tarkenton. The reason he is not good at the long ball is that he doesn't sit in the pocket long enough to let it unfold. If the quick pass is not there, he runs like a chicken with no head. Game Manager? He is a black Tarkenton, that's what he is.
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I don't care he blows...
Nickers....................people hate it when you post something there is no retort to.
Tyrod Blows. I said it, you said it, Tyron showed it. He Blows. Any questions?
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Game manager is a silly made up media term used instead of the term “average QB”. On this team Tyrod has an opportunity to be above average. He wasn’t asked to be a vertical QB Inc Buffalo.
Tyrod Blows
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Baker is a Game Changer.. Tuh''rod is a game manager... I want the game changer...
Black Tarkenton. The reason he is not good at the long ball is that he doesn't sit in the pocket long enough to let it unfold. If the quick pass is not there, he runs like a chicken with no head. Game Manager? He is a black Tarkenton, that's what he is.
Black Tarkenton. The reason he is not good at the long ball is that he doesn't sit in the pocket long enough to let it unfold. If the quick pass is not there, he runs like a chicken with no head. Game Manager? He is a black Tarkenton, that's what he is.
He's been sacked on average 40 times a season over the last three, because by accounts of Bills fans and media who follow the team he tends to hold on to the ball for too long, but don't let facts get in the way of one of your racist rants that make nickers rock hard. You two are adorable, by the way.
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Black Tarkenton. The reason he is not good at the long ball is that he doesn't sit in the pocket long enough to let it unfold. If the quick pass is not there, he runs like a chicken with no head. Game Manager? He is a black Tarkenton, that's what he is.
He's been sacked on average 40 times a season over the last three, because by accounts of Bills fans and media who follow the team he tends to hold on to the ball for too long, but don't let facts get in the way of one of your racist rants that make nickers rock hard. You two are adorable, by the way.
He's been sacked on average 40 times a season over the last three, because by accounts of Bills fans and media who follow the team he tends to hold on to the ball for too long, but don't let facts get in the way of one of your racist rants that make nickers rock hard. You two are adorable, by the way.
There is nothing racist about me. It is white coaches that create black Tarkentons. They see a black kid who is fast and from day one turn him into a running qb. He gets to the NFL and has no chance of doing anything. You think I am wrong? Racist? Name me ONE SLOW BLACK QB.............. Go ahead..............Name me a black kid who is slow footed and clumsy like Kosar, Fouts, Stabler, or Marino. You can't. Why do you think that is? I guess you believe all blacks are fast, right? YOU are the dumb racist bastuurd.
No black kid who is not fleet of foot has ever been groomed by HS, college and Pro coaches. Isn't it odd that you cannot name me one single black QB who was known for his smarts, intelligence, and leadership qualities............... like a Kosar.
Why do you think that is, axshole? It is because of jackoffs like YOU... who think that you have to kiss a black man's ballsack and compliment anything he does, or make excuses for it. You are a pole smoker, a coward and the WORST kind of racist. I have spent more time on Mars than you have in the hood.
The term Black Tarkenton isn't about blacks you dumb piece of liberal cow dung. It is an indictment on what people like YOU....analytic fed dullards have done to black athletes.
A big reason white QBs are so much more successful than black QBs, is because the system chooses the wrong black kids to begin with. I promise you, there are plenty of young black kids who will never get a look at QB because they don't fit the "Black Tarkenton" mold that people like you (dumbassses) cheer and think of yourselves as the Harbingers of race relations.
Tyron sucks at the long ball because he doesn't have the life long training to be patient and read the field. If a quick pass is not open, he is a fish out of water. Early on, college, HS, he could run his way out of it. In the pros? All that Black Tarkenton training leaves him a sitting duck. That's why Black Tarkenton's never win championships and get injured quicker than the average whit QB.
It is the system that chooses these stereotype black QBs, that is racist, not me. As it happens, I LOVED McNair and Moon. Still think they are two of the best. What they weren't, however, was black Tarkentons. Tyrod is, and there is no going back for him.
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