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    @d-bone said:

    ........ a Game Changer with zero NFL experience on a 1-31 team. For once, let's not Couch our next QBotF and simply let his development run its course. I think the kid is our franchise QB, but not right now.... not even close. 

    He's already better than "Tuh'Rod" by miles.. Quit holding the kid back... This isnt 1999

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    @nickers said:

    He's already better than "Tuh'Rod" by miles.. Quit holding the kid back... This isnt 1999

    Yeah and they're smart enough not to want a repeat even a slightly better outcome than the fiasco of 2017. 

    Patience until it's the right time and it's NOT in game 1.

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      Dislocated left pinky for Taylor ... he should be good to go against the Steelers.

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        @bobpound said:

        And the long ball is over rated. .  What I see in Tyrod is the ability to control the clock and control the ball. Look back at the last 4 hell 10 seasons and it is the same freaking story.. 1st half we might score one or two, but it is a lot of 3 and outs.. Defense is out there to much, we go to bend don't break.. By the 3rd and 4th quarters our Defense is spent, and we lose heart breakers in the 4th quarter.

        Tyrod will give our defense time to rest as we play ball control. Plus I think it is Sheet that he can't throw the ball deep.. He just hasn't had the weapons.. He will have them in spades this year 🙂  ...

        BobPound

        Tuh'rod will lose us a game or 2.. Theres a reason the Bills let him go.. No one else wanted him... But the Browns.. Why commit to a rent a bum.. when you just drafted arguably the best QB in the draft... Tuh'Rod wont make it 8 games.. Book it...

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        @nickers said:

        Tuh'rod will lose us a game or 2.. Theres a reason the Bills let him go.. No one else wanted him... But the Browns.. Why commit to a rent a bum.. when you just drafted arguably the best QB in the draft... Tuh'Rod wont make it 8 games.. Book it...

        Taylor isn't necessarily a bum, but he is better than anything we've had at qb in a long time. I do get where you're coming from though. Baker already shows superior accuracy and pocket presence. But I'll go with the flow. Tyrod starts until the coaches are sure Mayfield is up to speed diagnosing NFL defenses in games that count. 

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          @nickers said:

          Tuh'rod will lose us a game or 2.. Theres a reason the Bills let him go.. No one else wanted him... But the Browns.. Why commit to a rent a bum.. when you just drafted arguably the best QB in the draft... Tuh'Rod wont make it 8 games.. Book it...

          Taylor isn't necessarily a bum, but he is better than anything we've had at qb in a long time. I do get where you're coming from though. Baker already shows superior accuracy and pocket presence. But I'll go with the flow. Tyrod starts until the coaches are sure Mayfield is up to speed diagnosing NFL defenses in games that count. 

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          @hoorta said:

          Taylor isn't necessarily a bum, but he is better than anything we've had at qb in a long time. I do get where you're coming from though. Baker already shows superior accuracy and pocket presence. But I'll go with the flow. Tyrod starts until the coaches are sure Mayfield is up to speed diagnosing NFL defenses in games that count. 

          I've always been in the "Better to keep the rookie on the bench a little longer than needed than rush him a little sooner than he was ready for" camp.

          I still think Mayfield makes at least 5 starts this season. He's on his way. 

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            Baker is a Game Changer.. Tuh''rod is a game manager... I want the game changer...

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            @nickers said:

            Baker is a Game Changer.. Tuh''rod is a game manager... I want the game changer...

            Game manager is a silly made up media term used instead of the term “average QB”. On this team Tyrod has an opportunity to be above average. He wasn’t asked to be a vertical QB Inc Buffalo. 

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              @nickers said:

              Baker is a Game Changer.. Tuh''rod is a game manager... I want the game changer...

              Game manager is a silly made up media term used instead of the term “average QB”. On this team Tyrod has an opportunity to be above average. He wasn’t asked to be a vertical QB Inc Buffalo. 

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              @jcam222 said:

              Game manager is a silly made up media term used instead of the term “average QB”. On this team Tyrod has an opportunity to be above average. He wasn’t asked to be a vertical QB Inc Buffalo. 

              I don't care he blows...

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                Baker is a Game Changer.. Tuh''rod is a game manager... I want the game changer...

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                @nickers said:

                Baker is a Game Changer.. Tuh''rod is a game manager... I want the game changer...

                Black Tarkenton. The reason he is not good at the long ball is that he doesn't sit in the pocket long enough to let it unfold. If the quick pass is not there, he runs like a chicken with no head. Game Manager? He is a black Tarkenton, that's what he is.

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                  @jcam222 said:

                  Game manager is a silly made up media term used instead of the term “average QB”. On this team Tyrod has an opportunity to be above average. He wasn’t asked to be a vertical QB Inc Buffalo. 

                  I don't care he blows...

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                  @nickers said:

                  I don't care he blows...

                  Nickers....................people hate it when you post something there is no retort to.

                  Tyrod Blows. I said it, you said it, Tyron showed it. He Blows. Any questions?

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                    @nickers said:

                    Baker is a Game Changer.. Tuh''rod is a game manager... I want the game changer...

                    Game manager is a silly made up media term used instead of the term “average QB”. On this team Tyrod has an opportunity to be above average. He wasn’t asked to be a vertical QB Inc Buffalo. 

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                    @jcam222 said:

                    Game manager is a silly made up media term used instead of the term “average QB”. On this team Tyrod has an opportunity to be above average. He wasn’t asked to be a vertical QB Inc Buffalo. 

                    Tyrod Blows

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                      @jcam222 said:

                      Game manager is a silly made up media term used instead of the term “average QB”. On this team Tyrod has an opportunity to be above average. He wasn’t asked to be a vertical QB Inc Buffalo. 

                      I don't care he blows...

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                      @nickers said:

                      I don't care he blows...

                      Whether you are right or wrong its a much more concise stance youve taken lol

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                        @nickers said:

                        Baker is a Game Changer.. Tuh''rod is a game manager... I want the game changer...

                        Black Tarkenton. The reason he is not good at the long ball is that he doesn't sit in the pocket long enough to let it unfold. If the quick pass is not there, he runs like a chicken with no head. Game Manager? He is a black Tarkenton, that's what he is.

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                        @ghoolie said:

                        Black Tarkenton. The reason he is not good at the long ball is that he doesn't sit in the pocket long enough to let it unfold. If the quick pass is not there, he runs like a chicken with no head. Game Manager? He is a black Tarkenton, that's what he is.

                        He's been sacked on average 40 times a season over the last three, because by accounts of Bills fans and media who follow the team he tends to hold on to the ball for too long, but don't let facts get in the way of one of your racist rants that make nickers rock hard. You two are adorable, by the way. 

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                          @ghoolie said:

                          Black Tarkenton. The reason he is not good at the long ball is that he doesn't sit in the pocket long enough to let it unfold. If the quick pass is not there, he runs like a chicken with no head. Game Manager? He is a black Tarkenton, that's what he is.

                          He's been sacked on average 40 times a season over the last three, because by accounts of Bills fans and media who follow the team he tends to hold on to the ball for too long, but don't let facts get in the way of one of your racist rants that make nickers rock hard. You two are adorable, by the way. 

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                          He's been sacked on average 40 times a season over the last three, because by accounts of Bills fans and media who follow the team he tends to hold on to the ball for too long, but don't let facts get in the way of one of your racist rants that make nickers rock hard. You two are adorable, by the way. 

                          There is nothing racist about me. It is white coaches that create black Tarkentons. They see a black kid who is fast and from day one turn him into a running qb. He gets to the NFL and has no chance of doing anything. You think I am wrong? Racist? Name me ONE SLOW BLACK QB.............. Go ahead..............Name me a black kid who is slow footed and clumsy like Kosar, Fouts, Stabler, or Marino.  You can't.  Why do you think that is? I guess you believe all blacks are fast, right? YOU are the dumb racist bastuurd.

                          No black kid who is not fleet of foot has ever been groomed by HS, college and Pro coaches. Isn't it odd that you cannot name me one single black QB who was known for his smarts, intelligence, and leadership qualities............... like a Kosar.

                          Why do you think that is, axshole?  It is because of jackoffs like YOU... who think that you have to kiss a black man's ballsack and compliment anything he does, or make excuses for it. You are a pole smoker, a coward and the WORST kind of racist. I have spent more time on Mars than you have in the hood.

                          The term Black Tarkenton isn't about blacks you dumb piece of liberal cow dung. It is an indictment on what people like YOU....analytic fed dullards have done to black athletes.

                          A big reason white QBs are so much more successful than black QBs, is because the system chooses the wrong black kids to begin with. I promise you, there are plenty of young black kids who will never get a look at QB because they don't fit the "Black Tarkenton" mold that people like you (dumbassses) cheer and think of yourselves as the Harbingers of race relations.

                          Tyron sucks at the long ball because he doesn't have the life long training to be patient and read the field. If a quick pass is not open, he is a fish out of water. Early on, college, HS, he could run his way out of it. In the pros? All that Black Tarkenton training leaves him a sitting duck. That's why Black Tarkenton's never win championships and get injured quicker than the average whit QB.

                          It is the system that chooses these stereotype black QBs, that is racist, not me. As it happens, I LOVED McNair and Moon. Still think they are two of the best. What they weren't, however, was black Tarkentons. Tyrod is, and there is no going back for him.

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                            @dutch-oven said:

                            He's been sacked on average 40 times a season over the last three, because by accounts of Bills fans and media who follow the team he tends to hold on to the ball for too long, but don't let facts get in the way of one of your racist rants that make nickers rock hard. You two are adorable, by the way. 

                            There is nothing racist about me. It is white coaches that create black Tarkentons. They see a black kid who is fast and from day one turn him into a running qb. He gets to the NFL and has no chance of doing anything. You think I am wrong? Racist? Name me ONE SLOW BLACK QB.............. Go ahead..............Name me a black kid who is slow footed and clumsy like Kosar, Fouts, Stabler, or Marino.  You can't.  Why do you think that is? I guess you believe all blacks are fast, right? YOU are the dumb racist bastuurd.

                            No black kid who is not fleet of foot has ever been groomed by HS, college and Pro coaches. Isn't it odd that you cannot name me one single black QB who was known for his smarts, intelligence, and leadership qualities............... like a Kosar.

                            Why do you think that is, axshole?  It is because of jackoffs like YOU... who think that you have to kiss a black man's ballsack and compliment anything he does, or make excuses for it. You are a pole smoker, a coward and the WORST kind of racist. I have spent more time on Mars than you have in the hood.

                            The term Black Tarkenton isn't about blacks you dumb piece of liberal cow dung. It is an indictment on what people like YOU....analytic fed dullards have done to black athletes.

                            A big reason white QBs are so much more successful than black QBs, is because the system chooses the wrong black kids to begin with. I promise you, there are plenty of young black kids who will never get a look at QB because they don't fit the "Black Tarkenton" mold that people like you (dumbassses) cheer and think of yourselves as the Harbingers of race relations.

                            Tyron sucks at the long ball because he doesn't have the life long training to be patient and read the field. If a quick pass is not open, he is a fish out of water. Early on, college, HS, he could run his way out of it. In the pros? All that Black Tarkenton training leaves him a sitting duck. That's why Black Tarkenton's never win championships and get injured quicker than the average whit QB.

                            It is the system that chooses these stereotype black QBs, that is racist, not me. As it happens, I LOVED McNair and Moon. Still think they are two of the best. What they weren't, however, was black Tarkentons. Tyrod is, and there is no going back for him.

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                            @ghoolie said:

                            There is nothing racist about me. It is white coaches that create black Tarkentons. They see a black kid who is fast and from day one turn him into a running qb. He gets to the NFL and has no chance of doing anything. You think I am wrong? Racist? Name me ONE SLOW BLACK QB.............. Go ahead..............Name me a black kid who is slow footed and clumsy like Kosar, Fouts, Stabler, or Marino.  You can't.  Why do you think that is? I guess you believe all blacks are fast, right? YOU are the dumb racist bastuurd.

                            No black kid who is not fleet of foot has ever been groomed by HS, college and Pro coaches. Isn't it odd that you cannot name me one single black QB who was known for his smarts, intelligence, and leadership qualities............... like a Kosar.

                            Why do you think that is, axshole?  It is because of jackoffs like YOU... who think that you have to kiss a black man's ballsack and compliment anything he does, or make excuses for it. You are a pole smoker, a coward and the WORST kind of racist. I have spent more time on Mars than you have in the hood.

                            The term Black Tarkenton isn't about blacks you dumb piece of liberal cow dung. It is an indictment on what people like YOU....analytic fed dullards have done to black athletes.

                            A big reason white QBs are so much more successful than black QBs, is because the system chooses the wrong black kids to begin with. I promise you, there are plenty of young black kids who will never get a look at QB because they don't fit the "Black Tarkenton" mold that people like you (dumbassses) cheer and think of yourselves as the Harbingers of race relations.

                            Tyron sucks at the long ball because he doesn't have the life long training to be patient and read the field. If a quick pass is not open, he is a fish out of water. Early on, college, HS, he could run his way out of it. In the pros? All that Black Tarkenton training leaves him a sitting duck. That's why Black Tarkenton's never win championships and get injured quicker than the average whit QB.

                            It is the system that chooses these stereotype black QBs, that is racist, not me. As it happens, I LOVED McNair and Moon. Still think they are two of the best. What they weren't, however, was black Tarkentons. Tyrod is, and there is no going back for him.

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                              I found this little video on youtube and since it includes Tyrod, thought it would be of interest concerning him and "the most interesting team in the NFL" .  Just ignore the plug at the start.

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                                @jcam222 said:

                                Game manager is a silly made up media term used instead of the term “average QB”. On this team Tyrod has an opportunity to be above average. He wasn’t asked to be a vertical QB Inc Buffalo. 

                                Tyrod Blows

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                                @ghoolie said:

                                Tyrod Blows

                                You make a perfect pair then....He blows and you suck.?

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                                  @ghoolie said:

                                  There is nothing racist about me. It is white coaches that create black Tarkentons. They see a black kid who is fast and from day one turn him into a running qb. He gets to the NFL and has no chance of doing anything. You think I am wrong? Racist? Name me ONE SLOW BLACK QB.............. Go ahead..............Name me a black kid who is slow footed and clumsy like Kosar, Fouts, Stabler, or Marino.  You can't.  Why do you think that is? I guess you believe all blacks are fast, right? YOU are the dumb racist bastuurd.

                                  No black kid who is not fleet of foot has ever been groomed by HS, college and Pro coaches. Isn't it odd that you cannot name me one single black QB who was known for his smarts, intelligence, and leadership qualities............... like a Kosar.

                                  Why do you think that is, axshole?  It is because of jackoffs like YOU... who think that you have to kiss a black man's ballsack and compliment anything he does, or make excuses for it. You are a pole smoker, a coward and the WORST kind of racist. I have spent more time on Mars than you have in the hood.

                                  The term Black Tarkenton isn't about blacks you dumb piece of liberal cow dung. It is an indictment on what people like YOU....analytic fed dullards have done to black athletes.

                                  A big reason white QBs are so much more successful than black QBs, is because the system chooses the wrong black kids to begin with. I promise you, there are plenty of young black kids who will never get a look at QB because they don't fit the "Black Tarkenton" mold that people like you (dumbassses) cheer and think of yourselves as the Harbingers of race relations.

                                  Tyron sucks at the long ball because he doesn't have the life long training to be patient and read the field. If a quick pass is not open, he is a fish out of water. Early on, college, HS, he could run his way out of it. In the pros? All that Black Tarkenton training leaves him a sitting duck. That's why Black Tarkenton's never win championships and get injured quicker than the average whit QB.

                                  It is the system that chooses these stereotype black QBs, that is racist, not me. As it happens, I LOVED McNair and Moon. Still think they are two of the best. What they weren't, however, was black Tarkentons. Tyrod is, and there is no going back for him.

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                                  Lame response Chumbly.. Go cuddle with your care bear!

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                                    still has left hand rapped  good news is zeitler is back to practice as is calloway and ward

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                                      give tyrod a chance before ruining Mayfield.  I think Mayfield could be a decent QB now, but he could be a great QB if he has time to learn the NFL.  Plus, the Browns were in several games until the last minutes of the 4th quarter/OT.  Tyrod gives them a chance to turn those close losses into close victories.

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                                      give tyrod a chance before ruining Mayfield.  I think Mayfield could be a decent QB now, but he could be a great QB if he has time to learn the NFL.  Plus, the Browns were in several games until the last minutes of the 4th quarter/OT.  Tyrod gives them a chance to turn those close losses into close victories.

                                      MHO is those of you saying Taylor sucks are off base. His career 92 QBR and real nice TD to INT ratio puts him smack dab in the middle of starting QBs in 2017. He's an average starter. I'll take average for a while- compared to the suckage we had at QB last year with Kizer.  

                                      And another note. I'm tired of the personal insults two of you are throwing around again. I've warned you once before, keep it up and you're both going to get a kiddie time out. 

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                                        ghoolie isnt completely wrong. That slave to the combine stats mentality is what drives sports overall. I mean i rem when bosa benched 225 like 24 or 26 times and peopke here were like ehhh he's not so strong. And in his first game and on the first play if his nfl career, he stacks and sheds the best LT in football after missing a good chunk of TC with ham probs. 

                                        point is theres alot of raw black athletes that get fallen in love with by coaches even tho theres other black athletes tgat are prob better suited for certain positions, like QB for example. But the raw pure athlete who runs a 4.4 gets elevated. 

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                                          @dutch-oven said:

                                          He's been sacked on average 40 times a season over the last three, because by accounts of Bills fans and media who follow the team he tends to hold on to the ball for too long, but don't let facts get in the way of one of your racist rants that make nickers rock hard. You two are adorable, by the way. 

                                          There is nothing racist about me. It is white coaches that create black Tarkentons. They see a black kid who is fast and from day one turn him into a running qb. He gets to the NFL and has no chance of doing anything. You think I am wrong? Racist? Name me ONE SLOW BLACK QB.............. Go ahead..............Name me a black kid who is slow footed and clumsy like Kosar, Fouts, Stabler, or Marino.  You can't.  Why do you think that is? I guess you believe all blacks are fast, right? YOU are the dumb racist bastuurd.

                                          No black kid who is not fleet of foot has ever been groomed by HS, college and Pro coaches. Isn't it odd that you cannot name me one single black QB who was known for his smarts, intelligence, and leadership qualities............... like a Kosar.

                                          Why do you think that is, axshole?  It is because of jackoffs like YOU... who think that you have to kiss a black man's ballsack and compliment anything he does, or make excuses for it. You are a pole smoker, a coward and the WORST kind of racist. I have spent more time on Mars than you have in the hood.

                                          The term Black Tarkenton isn't about blacks you dumb piece of liberal cow dung. It is an indictment on what people like YOU....analytic fed dullards have done to black athletes.

                                          A big reason white QBs are so much more successful than black QBs, is because the system chooses the wrong black kids to begin with. I promise you, there are plenty of young black kids who will never get a look at QB because they don't fit the "Black Tarkenton" mold that people like you (dumbassses) cheer and think of yourselves as the Harbingers of race relations.

                                          Tyron sucks at the long ball because he doesn't have the life long training to be patient and read the field. If a quick pass is not open, he is a fish out of water. Early on, college, HS, he could run his way out of it. In the pros? All that Black Tarkenton training leaves him a sitting duck. That's why Black Tarkenton's never win championships and get injured quicker than the average whit QB.

                                          It is the system that chooses these stereotype black QBs, that is racist, not me. As it happens, I LOVED McNair and Moon. Still think they are two of the best. What they weren't, however, was black Tarkentons. Tyrod is, and there is no going back for him.

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                                          @ghoolie said:

                                          Name me a black kid who is slow footed and clumsy like Kosar, Fouts, Stabler, or Marino.  You can't.

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                                          Marino - yes, that Marino --  had over 1000 rushing yards along with his 1500 passing yards as a HS sr, and was drafted by the Royals as a CF. Not bad for a rushing QB.

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