*GAMEDAY THREADS* Eagles & Lions
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oline looked like Sheet. Not impressed with ty. Happy with everthing else.
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Agree on Baker's play action... not foolin' folks right now. But to my eye he still looks less than completely comfortable under Center and comfort there has to come first.
He still Socks his stance and looks... pigeon toed at times. It's hard to describe. But the footwork from under center isn't second nature by any means and it's going to take quite a while before it is.
He still Socks his stance and looks... pigeon toed at times. It's hard to describe. But the footwork from under center isn't second nature by any means and it's going to take quite a while before it is.
In terms of the take a while and why - I've always felt Baker was most similar to Drew Brees (who just swung and missed at strike 3 prior to SD feeling compelled to draft a QB first overall after earning that with the worst record in the NFL). People constantly forget Drew Brees was a Philip Rivers holdout the length of training camp away from never getting the last chance to succeed. But he DID get that 4th season/chance to start and we know the happily ever after. Another thing that coincidentally happened was SD drafted C Nick Hardwick in 2004 out of the same alleged unconventional Purdue Offense looking to the shot gun formation that equipped the QB with better pre-snap vision/reads/peripheral than getting up under Center did. That was quietly HUGE because SD stopped trying to square peg a round hole and put why it helped Brees over ego of being right. Consequently, better pre-snap vision leads to better reads and quicker/more decisive throws. Method to the madness that height has no bearing on. Taller QBs have benefitted from the shot-gun formation too dating all the way back to the 6'3" Roger Staubach...
Anyway, I just thought I'd go find find some pre-draft scouting stuff about Brees and I found another guy who found him similar to Brees and most importantly - why. Just give it chance and it should make sense if you remembered why it wasn't cool to consider Brees for round 1 and why many put Baker into the same stereotype. I shortened it some...
Brees-Mayfield comparison gains strength with Scouting Combine Weigh-Ins
It’s starting to get uncanny.
By John Sigler Mar 1, 2018, 9:13am CST/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/58864213/911125136.jpg.0.jpg)
I’m sure we’re all very tired of the cliched “Mayfield is the next Brees because they’re both short” takes, and I agree with that. The reason those arguments are so prevalent is because Brees was an extremely similar prospect to Mayfield when he entered the NFL. Just check out this scouting report on Brees from the archives at NFLDraftScout.com:
Positives...A good athlete with mobility. Finds a way to wiggle out of trouble and can take off running for first downs. Not a sprinter but can’t be ignored as a runner...Solid arm strength. Demonstrated on multiple occasions that he can cut it loose down the field with enough velocity to hit receivers in stride...Shows quickness to get the ball out fast. No extra time taken when having to get rid of it. Serves him well when pressure is in his face...Accuracy and ball placement show up even when he’s on the run. Does a good job of not forcing his receivers to constantly adjust to the football in flight...Doesn’t lack for toughness. Took some pretty nasty shots in some games and kept getting back up for more. Teammates will approve of that...Can deliver some camera-juking pump fakes, indicating he likely has big hands. That will explain how he’s able to deliver the ball so well.
Negatives...Has lived in the shotgun his entire college career. Played in a classic spread offense. No idea how to play under center or take drops...Lack of size is going to be a concern. Though not extremely short, he’s giving up vital inches that will make vision and healthy primary questions at the next level...Somewhat reckless at times with his decision-making. Will throw into tight coverages, trusting in his accuracy that will lead to interceptions in the NFL...Can have a bad tendency to hold the football trying to keep plays alive. Opens him up to frequent hits and also fumbling the football.
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I think it can be dangerous to be squeezed into such a small sample size in NFL history, not 20 or 10 but 3? And one didn't make it at all so two, well we'll see.....
- Drew Brees, Purdue Boilermakers
- Jake Kelchner, West Virginia Mountaineers
- Chase Daniel, Missouri Tigers
Kelchner wasn’t drafted out of college, though he did lead the Mountaineers to an undefeated 1993 season. He bounced between a few Arena League teams before looking to a career outside football.
As for the other two, it sure looks like Sean Payton has a type at quarterback. Brees is famous for producing at one of the highest levels ever despite his height disadvantage, and Daniel has stuck around for so long (despite stops with the Kansas City Chiefs and Philadelphia Eagles) largely because he fits a mold similar to Brees. Mayfield has spoken about his height not being an issue in the past:........
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
Can somebody please tell me what the heck happened to Seth Devalve? He was supposed to be a weapon and I don't remember seeing him at all. I know he had a "thigh injury", but I didn't think it was supposed to be serious, yet I've never seen him on the field.
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Can somebody please tell me what the heck happened to Seth Devalve? He was supposed to be a weapon and I don't remember seeing him at all. I know he had a "thigh injury", but I didn't think it was supposed to be serious, yet I've never seen him on the field.
Can somebody please tell me what the heck happened to Seth Devalve? He was supposed to be a weapon and I don't remember seeing him at all. I know he had a "thigh injury", but I didn't think it was supposed to be serious, yet I've never seen him on the field.
He has an aversion to cookies. It’s clearly more serious than any of us thought it would be.
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Can somebody please tell me what the heck happened to Seth Devalve? He was supposed to be a weapon and I don't remember seeing him at all. I know he had a "thigh injury", but I didn't think it was supposed to be serious, yet I've never seen him on the field.
Can somebody please tell me what the heck happened to Seth Devalve? He was supposed to be a weapon and I don't remember seeing him at all. I know he had a "thigh injury", but I didn't think it was supposed to be serious, yet I've never seen him on the field.
DeValve (quad) worked out on the side of practice Sunday, Nate Ulrich of The Akron Beacon Journal reports.
DeValve has yet to see the field in a preseason tilt due to his quad injury, but his work Sunday seems to indicate he's progressing in his recovery. He's likely competing for the final tight end spot on the active roster and will be hoping to show his worth in Thursday's preseason finale against the Lions.
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/browns-seth-devalve-working-towards-return/
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Can somebody please tell me what the heck happened to Seth Devalve? He was supposed to be a weapon and I don't remember seeing him at all. I know he had a "thigh injury", but I didn't think it was supposed to be serious, yet I've never seen him on the field.
Can somebody please tell me what the heck happened to Seth Devalve? He was supposed to be a weapon and I don't remember seeing him at all. I know he had a "thigh injury", but I didn't think it was supposed to be serious, yet I've never seen him on the field.
the quad started the week before Zeitler quad went..they gave Seth a week & half off. Than practiced him lightly on a Wednesday going into a game thus.or fri.Seth was a gameday scratch. The upcoming Sunday at practice Seth made it thru stretch and lasted all of about 30 mins. of full speed 7on7 drills & they wrapped his quad again ever since.I have not trusted this medical team since Kwan Williams was sent to play with a fracture foot.But you know what's kinda weird? Hard Knocks left us with a picture of Gordon running this past Tuesday.That was recorded when the Bills were in town..Reports say he pulled it a few days before this Saturday after philly win..makes me wonder if we won't see Gordon pulling up training on hard knocks this week..
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I think it can be dangerous to be squeezed into such a small sample size in NFL history, not 20 or 10 but 3? And one didn't make it at all so two, well we'll see.....
- Drew Brees, Purdue Boilermakers
- Jake Kelchner, West Virginia Mountaineers
- Chase Daniel, Missouri Tigers
Kelchner wasn’t drafted out of college, though he did lead the Mountaineers to an undefeated 1993 season. He bounced between a few Arena League teams before looking to a career outside football.
As for the other two, it sure looks like Sean Payton has a type at quarterback. Brees is famous for producing at one of the highest levels ever despite his height disadvantage, and Daniel has stuck around for so long (despite stops with the Kansas City Chiefs and Philadelphia Eagles) largely because he fits a mold similar to Brees. Mayfield has spoken about his height not being an issue in the past:........
I think it can be dangerous to be squeezed into such a small sample size in NFL history, not 20 or 10 but 3? And one didn't make it at all so two, well we'll see.....
- Drew Brees, Purdue Boilermakers
- Jake Kelchner, West Virginia Mountaineers
- Chase Daniel, Missouri Tigers
Kelchner wasn’t drafted out of college, though he did lead the Mountaineers to an undefeated 1993 season. He bounced between a few Arena League teams before looking to a career outside football.
As for the other two, it sure looks like Sean Payton has a type at quarterback. Brees is famous for producing at one of the highest levels ever despite his height disadvantage, and Daniel has stuck around for so long (despite stops with the Kansas City Chiefs and Philadelphia Eagles) largely because he fits a mold similar to Brees. Mayfield has spoken about his height not being an issue in the past:........
I removed those parts of the article MJ to emphasize the pre-draft scouting report similarities between Brees and Mayfield (besides their height). Baker's positives and negatives are listed while there was a link to Brees' in the parts of the article I shared.
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Can somebody please tell me what the heck happened to Seth Devalve? He was supposed to be a weapon and I don't remember seeing him at all. I know he had a "thigh injury", but I didn't think it was supposed to be serious, yet I've never seen him on the field.
DeValve (quad) worked out on the side of practice Sunday, Nate Ulrich of The Akron Beacon Journal reports.
DeValve has yet to see the field in a preseason tilt due to his quad injury, but his work Sunday seems to indicate he's progressing in his recovery. He's likely competing for the final tight end spot on the active roster and will be hoping to show his worth in Thursday's preseason finale against the Lions.
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/browns-seth-devalve-working-towards-return/
Zombo said:
DeValve (quad) worked out on the side of practice Sunday, Nate Ulrich of The Akron Beacon Journal reports.
DeValve has yet to see the field in a preseason tilt due to his quad injury, but his work Sunday seems to indicate he's progressing in his recovery. He's likely competing for the final tight end spot on the active roster and will be hoping to show his worth in Thursday's preseason finale against the Lions.
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/browns-seth-devalve-working-towards-return/
I would not be surprised if Devalve is cut in favor of Cajuste. Devalve has always struggled with injury, and he's also not a John Dorsey guy. I don't believe that would be the RIGHT move, but it also wouldn't surprise me either.
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Zombo said:
DeValve (quad) worked out on the side of practice Sunday, Nate Ulrich of The Akron Beacon Journal reports.
DeValve has yet to see the field in a preseason tilt due to his quad injury, but his work Sunday seems to indicate he's progressing in his recovery. He's likely competing for the final tight end spot on the active roster and will be hoping to show his worth in Thursday's preseason finale against the Lions.
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/browns-seth-devalve-working-towards-return/
I would not be surprised if Devalve is cut in favor of Cajuste. Devalve has always struggled with injury, and he's also not a John Dorsey guy. I don't believe that would be the RIGHT move, but it also wouldn't surprise me either.
I would not be surprised if Devalve is cut in favor of Cajuste. Devalve has always struggled with injury, and he's also not a John Dorsey guy. I don't believe that would be the RIGHT move, but it also wouldn't surprise me either.
They can't cut DeValve! I think he is the only guy from Princeton that is playing in the league!!
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I would not be surprised if Devalve is cut in favor of Cajuste. Devalve has always struggled with injury, and he's also not a John Dorsey guy. I don't believe that would be the RIGHT move, but it also wouldn't surprise me either.
They can't cut DeValve! I think he is the only guy from Princeton that is playing in the league!!
They can't cut DeValve! I think he is the only guy from Princeton that is playing in the league!!
LOL, good point. I just know we haven't seen a lick of Devalve, and I'm not totally sure we're keeping him. I mean, I THINK we are, but Cajuste has value as a special teamer, and I'm not sure how Devalve stacks up in that aspect. Obviously Devalve is the better receiver, but availability is vital to ability. Hopefully he's out there in our final preseason game. Honestly, I really like Devalve and think he's got some real talent. Would we ever keep four TE's? I seriously doubt it. The final cuts are going to be VERY difficult this year, and I guess that's a good thing. There are going to be some pretty good players without jobs in Cleveland.
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I would not be surprised if Devalve is cut in favor of Cajuste. Devalve has always struggled with injury, and he's also not a John Dorsey guy. I don't believe that would be the RIGHT move, but it also wouldn't surprise me either.
They can't cut DeValve! I think he is the only guy from Princeton that is playing in the league!!
They can't cut DeValve! I think he is the only guy from Princeton that is playing in the league!!
Ever wonder why there are so few Ivy Leaguers in the NFL. (not good enough but maybe good to write for the Harvard Lampoon
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They can't cut DeValve! I think he is the only guy from Princeton that is playing in the league!!
Ever wonder why there are so few Ivy Leaguers in the NFL. (not good enough but maybe good to write for the Harvard Lampoon
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Ever wonder why there are so few Ivy Leaguers in the NFL. (not good enough but maybe good to write for the Harvard Lampoon
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Because now they are mostly brains and not brawn, unlike 100 years ago?
Actually....in checking, there were 14 Ivy Leaguers on NFL rosters last year: half of those from Harvard:
https://herosports.com/fcs/ivy-league-football-well-represented-2017-nfl-rosters-byby
And note, the Browns have 2 of them: DeValve...AND JC Tretter. Now, I had no clue that he went to Cornell (the only Cornell player in the league). So, now, clearly I like him a lot better as a player! Since, after all, my son goes to Cornell. I'll be darned!
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Ever wonder why there are so few Ivy Leaguers in the NFL. (not good enough but maybe good to write for the Harvard Lampoon
)
Because now they are mostly brains and not brawn, unlike 100 years ago?
Actually....in checking, there were 14 Ivy Leaguers on NFL rosters last year: half of those from Harvard:
https://herosports.com/fcs/ivy-league-football-well-represented-2017-nfl-rosters-byby
And note, the Browns have 2 of them: DeValve...AND JC Tretter. Now, I had no clue that he went to Cornell (the only Cornell player in the league). So, now, clearly I like him a lot better as a player! Since, after all, my son goes to Cornell. I'll be darned!
Because now they are mostly brains and not brawn, unlike 100 years ago?
Actually....in checking, there were 14 Ivy Leaguers on NFL rosters last year: half of those from Harvard:
https://herosports.com/fcs/ivy-league-football-well-represented-2017-nfl-rosters-byby
And note, the Browns have 2 of them: DeValve...AND JC Tretter. Now, I had no clue that he went to Cornell (the only Cornell player in the league). So, now, clearly I like him a lot better as a player! Since, after all, my son goes to Cornell. I'll be darned!
Wow, didn't know that there were that many and forgot about QB Fitzpatrick.
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*GAMEDAY THREAD* THURSDAY AUG. 30, Min in CLE 1 pm ~and~ CLE in Detroit 7 pm, almost over!
Date Opp Time TV Indians : Pitcher Opp: Pitcher Tue. 28 vs. Min 7:10 PM ET STOh/FSN C. Carrasco (15-7) K. Gibson (7-10) Wed. 29 vs. Min 7:10 PM ET STOh/FSN A. Plutko (4-4) K. Stewart (0-1) Thu. 30 vs. Min 1:10 PM ET FB <--- so what TV network is covering this one? M. Clevinger (9-7) J. Odorizzi (5-8) Fri. 31 vs. TB 7:10 PM ET STOh/SUN C. Kluber (16-7) And it seemed before the 2018 draft that this day would never come, LAST PRESEASON GAME!
Preseason Schedule
Week Day Date Opponent Time TV Result Week 2 Thu. 8/9 @ New York Giants 7:00 PM ET NFLN W 20-10 Week 3 Fri. 8/17 vs. Buffalo Bills 7:30 PM ET NFLN L 19-17 Week 4 Thu. 8/23 vs. Philadelphia Eagles 8:00 PM ET FOX W 5-0 <--- the BROWNS defense has only given up 27 points so far? Week 5 Thu. 8/30 @ Detroit Lions 7:00 PM ET NFLN Schedule
Week Day Date Opponent Time TV Result Week 1 Sun. 9/9 vs. Pittsburgh Steelers 1:00 PM ET CBS -
PASSING PLAYER POS GP GS ATT CMP PCT YDS AVG YDS/G LNG TD TD% INT INT% SCK YDSL RATE Baker Mayfield QB 3 0 45 26 57.8 363 8.07 111.3 54 2 4.4 1 2.2 4 29 89.4 Tyrod Taylor QB 3 3 28 20 71.4 186 6.64 56.0 36 1 3.6 0 0.0 2 18 101.2 Brogan Roback QB 1 0 4 2 50.0 22 5.50 22.0 14 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 66.7 Drew Stanton QB 2 0 7 1 14.3 7 1.00 0.5 7 0 0.0 0 0.0 1 6 39.6 Totals 3 84 49 58.3 578 6.88 175.0 54 3 3.6 1 1.2 7 53 86.3 Opponents 3 112 66 58.9 577 5.15 170.0 39 2 1.8 2 1.8 12 67 71.2 RUSHING PLAYER POS GP GS ATT YDS AVG LNG 20+ TD YDS/G FUM FML FD FD% Nick Chubb RB 3 0 40 110 2.8 21 1 1 36.7 0 0 6 15.0 Carlos Hyde RB 3 3 17 108 6.4 33 2 1 36.0 0 0 5 29.4 Duke Johnson RB 3 0 8 43 5.4 18 0 0 14.3 0 0 3 37.5 Baker Mayfield QB 3 0 10 32 3.2 6 0 0 10.7 1 0 4 40.0 Dontrell Hilliard RB 3 0 12 28 2.3 13 0 0 9.3 0 0 1 8.3 Matt Dayes RB 3 0 6 16 2.7 7 0 0 5.3 0 0 0 0 Tyrod Taylor QB 3 3 4 12 3.0 5 0 0 4.0 0 0 1 25.0 Antonio Callaway WR 2 2 1 3 3.0 3 0 0 1.5 0 0 0 0 Brogan Roback QB 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Totals 3 99 352 3.6 33 3 2 117.3 3 1 20 20.2 Opponents 3 76 348 4.6 39 2 1 116.0 3 2 23 30.3. -
*GAMEDAY THREAD* THURSDAY AUG. 30, Min in CLE 1 pm ~and~ CLE in Detroit 7 pm, almost over!
Date Opp Time TV Indians : Pitcher Opp: Pitcher Tue. 28 vs. Min 7:10 PM ET STOh/FSN C. Carrasco (15-7) K. Gibson (7-10) Wed. 29 vs. Min 7:10 PM ET STOh/FSN A. Plutko (4-4) K. Stewart (0-1) Thu. 30 vs. Min 1:10 PM ET FB <--- so what TV network is covering this one? M. Clevinger (9-7) J. Odorizzi (5-8) Fri. 31 vs. TB 7:10 PM ET STOh/SUN C. Kluber (16-7) And it seemed before the 2018 draft that this day would never come, LAST PRESEASON GAME!
Preseason Schedule
Week Day Date Opponent Time TV Result Week 2 Thu. 8/9 @ New York Giants 7:00 PM ET NFLN W 20-10 Week 3 Fri. 8/17 vs. Buffalo Bills 7:30 PM ET NFLN L 19-17 Week 4 Thu. 8/23 vs. Philadelphia Eagles 8:00 PM ET FOX W 5-0 <--- the BROWNS defense has only given up 27 points so far? Week 5 Thu. 8/30 @ Detroit Lions 7:00 PM ET NFLN Schedule
Week Day Date Opponent Time TV Result Week 1 Sun. 9/9 vs. Pittsburgh Steelers 1:00 PM ET CBS Preseason Schedule
Week Day Date Opponent Time TV Result Week 2 Thu. 8/9 @ New York Giants 7:00 PM ET NFLN W 20-10 Week 3 Fri. 8/17 vs. Buffalo Bills 7:30 PM ET NFLN L 19-17 Week 4 Thu. 8/23 vs. Philadelphia Eagles 8:00 PM ET FOX W 5-0 <--- the BROWNS defense has only given up 27 points so far? Week 5 Thu. 8/30 @ Detroit Lions 7:00 PM ET NFLN dd LOL! I know it's picky but 10 + 19 + 0= 29
You were adding up the columns but forgot the losing score for the Browns in game 2 was on the right side with the other two defensive winning scores.?
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Guys that could see action: Zeitler (I doubt it), Calloway, and Coley.
Baker to get significant playing time.
Fullback Vitale is out and and no mention of DeVulva ... it feels like the world is breaking right for Devon "Juice" Cajuste.
https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/browns-to-rest-most-starters-in-preseason-finale-at-detroit
Zombo
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I heard Flash Gordon will be inactive for the GLC.
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