***Official Browns Vs. Steelers Game Day Thread***
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Yessir. Emotion l jive with. However, silver lining, what a weird àss way to start the season right? A tie? Who even does that anymore?
I gotta admit. I am unreasonably fired up. A tie on opening day? That is such a Browns thing to do, but also a Browns thing in the right direction.
That’s my team. Fúcking up standings from get go in the AFC.
I mean, just ONCE...ya know? Six turnovers? How is that even possible? How did Joel Bitonio of all people get pushed back 7 feet into the kicker? How are the special teams STILL so bad? Jabrill Peppers called a fair catch with NOBODY around him? Jesus man. HOW? We literally got every single break one team could possibly get in that game, and we STILL didn't win? It's almost impossible.
We really couldn't have a slow start to the season offensively. Why? Because we're about to start hearing the chants of Baker Mayfield, that's why. Heck, I bet there were a few yesterday. If Tyrod has another poor game against the Saints, we're going to start hearing louder chants for Baker to play. Granted, Tyrod had to play in the driving rain ALL game, but COME ON GUY.
Oh, and kiss my butt Njoku. Tyrod's best pass of the entire day, and you drop it. Would've been 1st and 10 from their 31 yard line. But nooooooooooooo.
Oh, and kiss my butt Njoku. Tyrod's best pass of the entire day, and you drop it.
I wonder if the earlier TT high ball on a seam route that got Njoku lit up flashed before his eyes.
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You're damn near a goner.?
https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/9/10/17839032/browns-defensive-snap-counts-stats-and-pff-notes-week-1 newbies should be in this weeks gameplan..
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Oh, and kiss my butt Njoku. Tyrod's best pass of the entire day, and you drop it.
I wonder if the earlier TT high ball on a seam route that got Njoku lit up flashed before his eyes.
I wonder if the earlier TT high ball on a seam route that got Njoku lit up flashed before his eyes.
"lit".......but no call. Which i was ok with, its football. But i screamed up there in the nosebleeds with steelers fans thatvwe'll get a call against us similiar. And lije 10 mins later myles let too much of his body mass fall near ben upsetting the fluffy pillows that were laid down to catch ben from that nasty DL's intentions. Still Furious at that call
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NFL admits ref was wrong to flag Myles Garrett for roughing Ben Roethlisberger
Michael David Smith50 mins agoBrowns pass rusher Myles Garrett was flagged for a hit on Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger on Sunday that the NFL now says was legal.
NFL V.P. of Officiating Al Riveron told NFL Network that Garrett did not land with most of his body weight on Roethlisberger and shouldn’t have been flagged.
“The rule specifically says ‘most, if not all, of your body weight,'” Riveron said. “So we want that player to make an effort. And the last three or four weeks, we have pulled extensive video to show the clubs exactly what we’re talking about, and we probably last week showed 5-to-1 or 6-to-1 of legal hits, or legal contact, as opposed to illegal contact. Because the question we get all the time is, well, what do you want our players to do? Well, they have to not put the weight on the quarterback. And this one [on Garrett] yesterday showed, even though there is some body weight on Ben, this is not what we would consider contact that rises to the level of a foul.”
There are questions, however, about whether defenders can ever really refrain from putting most of their body weight on a quarterback they’re sacking — and whether officials can judge whether a player has put most of his body weight on the quarterback. This new rule is going to be a hard one to call consistently, and it was called wrong on Sunday in Cleveland.
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Yessir. Emotion l jive with. However, silver lining, what a weird àss way to start the season right? A tie? Who even does that anymore?
I gotta admit. I am unreasonably fired up. A tie on opening day? That is such a Browns thing to do, but also a Browns thing in the right direction.
That’s my team. Fúcking up standings from get go in the AFC.
I mean, just ONCE...ya know? Six turnovers? How is that even possible? How did Joel Bitonio of all people get pushed back 7 feet into the kicker? How are the special teams STILL so bad? Jabrill Peppers called a fair catch with NOBODY around him? Jesus man. HOW? We literally got every single break one team could possibly get in that game, and we STILL didn't win? It's almost impossible.
We really couldn't have a slow start to the season offensively. Why? Because we're about to start hearing the chants of Baker Mayfield, that's why. Heck, I bet there were a few yesterday. If Tyrod has another poor game against the Saints, we're going to start hearing louder chants for Baker to play. Granted, Tyrod had to play in the driving rain ALL game, but COME ON GUY.
Oh, and kiss my butt Njoku. Tyrod's best pass of the entire day, and you drop it. Would've been 1st and 10 from their 31 yard line. But nooooooooooooo.
How did Joel Bitonio of all people get pushed back 7 feet into the kicker? How are the special teams STILL so bad?
Because you can't jump over the center anymore. The Steelers IIRC ran three guys at Joel. Unless you're superman, you can't withstand three guys trying to knock you backwards....
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NFL admits ref was wrong to flag Myles Garrett for roughing Ben Roethlisberger
Michael David Smith50 mins agoBrowns pass rusher Myles Garrett was flagged for a hit on Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger on Sunday that the NFL now says was legal.
NFL V.P. of Officiating Al Riveron told NFL Network that Garrett did not land with most of his body weight on Roethlisberger and shouldn’t have been flagged.
“The rule specifically says ‘most, if not all, of your body weight,'” Riveron said. “So we want that player to make an effort. And the last three or four weeks, we have pulled extensive video to show the clubs exactly what we’re talking about, and we probably last week showed 5-to-1 or 6-to-1 of legal hits, or legal contact, as opposed to illegal contact. Because the question we get all the time is, well, what do you want our players to do? Well, they have to not put the weight on the quarterback. And this one [on Garrett] yesterday showed, even though there is some body weight on Ben, this is not what we would consider contact that rises to the level of a foul.”
There are questions, however, about whether defenders can ever really refrain from putting most of their body weight on a quarterback they’re sacking — and whether officials can judge whether a player has put most of his body weight on the quarterback. This new rule is going to be a hard one to call consistently, and it was called wrong on Sunday in Cleveland.
NFL admits ref was wrong to flag Myles Garrett for roughing Ben Roethlisberger
Browns pass rusher Myles Garrett was flagged for a hit on Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger on Sunday that the NFL now says was legal.I said in the Tavern at the time that looking at the replay Myles had clearly stuck out his right hand & arm on the ground to try to lesson the weight on the QB he had just run through and was sliding over. There was nothing else he could do since he had to dive to make the tackle in the first place. Myles is a great player but he's never been a dirty player like Suh who is out to permanently hurt whomever he hits.
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Call may have cost us a win. The resulting first down lead to the Conner TD.
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Does anyone know who got credt for the late sack of Ben? The one where he appeared to trip over one of his OL or the turf and then was touched down?
I thought I saw in the one ground level replay that a Brown on the ground reached between an OL's feet and grabbed Ben's ankle. I thought it was MG, but I could not see a number.
Does anyone know who got credt for the late sack of Ben? The one where he appeared to trip over one of his OL or the turf and then was touched down?
I thought I saw in the one ground level replay that a Brown on the ground reached between an OL's feet and grabbed Ben's ankle. I thought it was MG, but I could not see a number.
I also thought it was MG-when I watch it again I will pay close attention.
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You must have frail bones.
First broken bone of my life. I don't think so.
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Even after review, We got a gift when ball hit chubb on the helmet on punt that pitt.recovered ?..Pitt. got called for 12/-116..Browns got called for 14 with 11 accepted -87 yards.. A Hold on Zeitler was declined/1 Ill.Motion on Landry declined & 1 Ill. formation was declined against Harrison.. Does Tie/rod stutter? 4 False Starts=1 Joel.1 Njoku,2 Harrison.Garrett drew 3 flags,in the zone,roughing,block above waist..Block above waist was also called on D.Rice & O.Charles..Gordon 1 roughing..And we drew a Leverage penalty that remains unnamed by https://www.nflpenalties.com BTW-Colquitt knocked 6 of 12 punts inside the 20 with a 57 yard long on a messy day..
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
Oh, and kiss my butt Njoku. Tyrod's best pass of the entire day, and you drop it.
I wonder if the earlier TT high ball on a seam route that got Njoku lit up flashed before his eyes.
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How did Joel Bitonio of all people get pushed back 7 feet into the kicker? How are the special teams STILL so bad?
Because you can't jump over the center anymore. The Steelers IIRC ran three guys at Joel. Unless you're superman, you can't withstand three guys trying to knock you backwards....
Because you can't jump over the center anymore. The Steelers IIRC ran three guys at Joel. Unless you're superman, you can't withstand three guys trying to knock you backwards....
I mean, I figured that, but then why doesn't every team just run three guys at someone every FG attempt and block every one of them?
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Oh, and I guess the Jets are somehow good? We're going to be 0-3 before the 3rd Sunday of the year! We'll, WINLESS technically, since we began the season with that stalwart tie.
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Even after review, We got a gift when ball hit chubb on the helmet on punt that pitt.recovered ?..Pitt. got called for 12/-116..Browns got called for 14 with 11 accepted -87 yards.. A Hold on Zeitler was declined/1 Ill.Motion on Landry declined & 1 Ill. formation was declined against Harrison.. Does Tie/rod stutter? 4 False Starts=1 Joel.1 Njoku,2 Harrison.Garrett drew 3 flags,in the zone,roughing,block above waist..Block above waist was also called on D.Rice & O.Charles..Gordon 1 roughing..And we drew a Leverage penalty that remains unnamed by https://www.nflpenalties.com BTW-Colquitt knocked 6 of 12 punts inside the 20 with a 57 yard long on a messy day..
Even after review, We got a gift when ball hit chubb on the helmet on punt that pitt.recovered ?..Pitt. got called for 12/-116..Browns got called for 14 with 11 accepted -87 yards.. A Hold on Zeitler was declined/1 Ill.Motion on Landry declined & 1 Ill. formation was declined against Harrison.. Does Tie/rod stutter? 4 False Starts=1 Joel.1 Njoku,2 Harrison.Garrett drew 3 flags,in the zone,roughing,block above waist..Block above waist was also called on D.Rice & O.Charles..Gordon 1 roughing..And we drew a Leverage penalty that remains unnamed by https://www.nflpenalties.com BTW-Colquitt knocked 6 of 12 punts inside the 20 with a 57 yard long on a messy day..
You forgot the Joe Haden jump on Josh Gordon’s back in the end zone no call gift. Another 7 point swing.
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I wonder if the earlier TT high ball on a seam route that got Njoku lit up flashed before his eyes.
"lit".......but no call. Which i was ok with, its football. But i screamed up there in the nosebleeds with steelers fans thatvwe'll get a call against us similiar. And lije 10 mins later myles let too much of his body mass fall near ben upsetting the fluffy pillows that were laid down to catch ben from that nasty DL's intentions. Still Furious at that call
"lit".......but no call. Which i was ok with, its football. But i screamed up there in the nosebleeds with steelers fans thatvwe'll get a call against us similiar. And lije 10 mins later myles let too much of his body mass fall near ben upsetting the fluffy pillows that were laid down to catch ben from that nasty DL's intentions. Still Furious at that call
Agree... the hit on Njoku was completely legal... what helmet was involved was minimal and glancing... and he was separated from the ball. That said the same hit had the ball been cleanly overthrown probably draws a Defenseless Receiver flag.
Also agree on the MG "roughing" call. However, even if the league says now it was wrong, the refs are going to err on the side of protecting QBs...
... something we will appreciate when we have a QB worth protecting.
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Oh, and I guess the Jets are somehow good? We're going to be 0-3 before the 3rd Sunday of the year! We'll, WINLESS technically, since we began the season with that stalwart tie.
Oh, and I guess the Jets are somehow good? We're going to be 0-3 before the 3rd Sunday of the year! We'll, WINLESS technically, since we began the season with that stalwart tie.
Looks that way doesn't it?
Suddenly the Week 3 TNF game seems a lot less "in-the-bag"-ish...
I was giving TT 4 games minimum, but now I won't be shacked Week 3 becomes... The battle to the Top Two QBs in the 2018 Draft!
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Oh, and I guess the Jets are somehow good? We're going to be 0-3 before the 3rd Sunday of the year! We'll, WINLESS technically, since we began the season with that stalwart tie.
Looks that way doesn't it?
Suddenly the Week 3 TNF game seems a lot less "in-the-bag"-ish...
I was giving TT 4 games minimum, but now I won't be shacked Week 3 becomes... The battle to the Top Two QBs in the 2018 Draft!
Looks that way doesn't it?
Suddenly the Week 3 TNF game seems a lot less "in-the-bag"-ish...
I was giving TT 4 games minimum, but now I won't be shacked Week 3 becomes... The battle to the Top Two QBs in the 2018 Draft!
No way he starts until the OL is fixed and that won't be by week 3. I mean what HC would ever let that happen. ?
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Oh, and I guess the Jets are somehow good? We're going to be 0-3 before the 3rd Sunday of the year! We'll, WINLESS technically, since we began the season with that stalwart tie.
Looks that way doesn't it?
Suddenly the Week 3 TNF game seems a lot less "in-the-bag"-ish...
I was giving TT 4 games minimum, but now I won't be shacked Week 3 becomes... The battle to the Top Two QBs in the 2018 Draft!
Looks that way doesn't it?
Suddenly the Week 3 TNF game seems a lot less "in-the-bag"-ish...
I was giving TT 4 games minimum, but now I won't be shacked Week 3 becomes... The battle to the Top Two QBs in the 2018 Draft!
It's funny. I was one of the staunchest supporters of having Tyrod play as long as possible this year. I wanted him to start until we were eliminated from playoff contention, hopefully in late November (stop laughing). I really didn't see the point in rushing our future out there, and I wanted to see what an experienced QB could bring to us.
What a difference a week makes. To be fair, I must take into consideration the terrible weather. Heck, Big Ben is one of the best bad weather QBs of all time (according to the announcers) and he threw 3 or 4 picks. I think the reason so many fans are upset is that their Tyrod fears came to fruition. He doesn't take enough shots, he holds the ball, he doesn't score points, etc. But how do you judge a QB in that weather? It's not easy, and we have to remember that Tyrod didn't get a ton of help, did he?
The Njoku drop really hurt, more than you think. When a QB is struggling and finally makes a big time throw on a crucial 3rd down, that hurts. That would've been 1st and 10 at their 31. Huge drop on a terrific throw. Also, Tyrod got NO special teams help. None. Obviously blocked FG, awful punt returns, Jabrill Peppers fair catch with NOBODY around him, awful kickoff returns, and terrible punt coverage. Steelers seemed to get yards almost every punt return. Why not us?
Before the game I said our special teams "terrified me", and you see why. We can blame Tyrod, but the blame really goes to special teams. We have decent special teams and we win that game. Also, Nick Chubb can't play unless he learns pass protection. He cost us NUMEROUS times. Go back and watch him...it was MISERABLE, and he cost us greatly.
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Agree, jigs... and I'm not blaming TT for the loss, but he played a significant role in it.
I'd been steadfastly in the "TT until we are eliminated" camp until I saw Baker develop thru the preseason.
At the end of preseason I posted in a thread about how TT had 4 games to earn the right to keep his job.
Now, after Week 1, I think he has to show us something in the Superdome. A win would be nice, but is not essential. TT simply has to be an asset to our effort. If he's not, I'm ready for Baker.
I do not buy the Couch comparisons. Baker has shown the pocket awareness, mobility and self-restraint to keep from physical harm.
Mentally? I think he's indestructible.
In his first year as a Browns QB, Brian Sipe went 2-3 in 5 starts throwing 1 TD and 7 INTs. And he turned out alright.
Baker is made of the same stuff as Brian... only with better tools.
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