GOODBYE ZANE!
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Zane had nothing to do with this loss. If he made his two extra points, the Browns STILL lose.
He missed a FG? So too, did their guy miss a FG.
The two missed extra points had no bearing. The kicker problem was the exact same for both teams. A WASH.
The problem remains, OFFENSE WINS GAMES............ and the Browns have purposely refused to participate in acquiring the top offensive play makers. Drew Brees won the game on his arm WIlliams bullschitd D and Zumba instructor did nothing.
He missed a FG? So too, did their guy miss a FG.
The two missed extra points had no bearing. The kicker problem was the exact same for both teams. A WASH.
It was the wind.
The wind can be terrible in that place.
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not sure why the Browns remind you of Everton. Everton wins games. The Browns don’t
We didn't today. We lost to bottom of the league team West ham.
Everton are the oldest team in the top flight of English football. They are one of the most successful yet in recent years we haven't won too many trophies.
Last time we were winning was the 80s. And one cup in 1995.
@british-browns-fan-everton said:
We didn't today. We lost to bottom of the league team West ham.
Everton are the oldest team in the top flight of English football. They are one of the most successful yet in recent years we haven't won too many trophies.
Last time we were winning was the 80s. And one cup in 1995.
1995 you beat us 4-1 in the semi final
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What's important to consider as well is the context of the first missed extra point. The Browns in that situation lead 13-3 and with the flow of the game the Saints would have only gone for 1 after the 2nd TD, making it 17-13. Assuming he doesn't wang the 2nd extra point as well, Browns are up 20-17 leading to that final drive by the Saints. Assuming it plays out the same, Browns are at worst tied.
Can't have it. I can maybe live with the missed FG's, but the extra points are inexcusable. Hard to ever say a loss is 100% on one dude, but Zane was responsible for about 95% of the weight of the loss. Tyrod put us in a position to have the lead AND tie the game in the 4th quarter. Get his name out your mouth in the realm of him being the reason we lost.
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Zombo said:
Didn't Blair Walsh Project single handily lose a playoff game a few years ago?
Zombo
I don't know if it was as single handedly as Gagzonelz yesterday but he did miss a late one for the Vikings I think a couple seasons ago. In his defense, it was like -20 and windy so a bit different than gagging every kick indoors
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Zombo said:
Didn't Blair Walsh Project single handily lose a playoff game a few years ago?
Zombo
Isn't Bailey at home? If he can walk, bring him to Cleveland.
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Vikings are looking for a kickers and I just heard MKC on the Dan Patrick show say that Blair doesn't want to tryout for the browns.
Vikings are looking for a kickers and I just heard MKC on the Dan Patrick show say that Blair doesn't want to tryout for the browns.
I suppose he wants a freeking Dome team, so that he won't have any adverse affects.
Plus, seems to me that beggars can't be choosers. He doesn't have a job now, and if Bailey gets taken, he will just have to go where he can. Unless he wants to stay home and be an insurance salesman, a grocery bagger, or a high school soccer coach.
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IIRC Blair's miss cost the Vikes a playoff spot... or advancing in the playoffs. Seems like it was Zimmer's 1st year as their HC.
We need to find a good vet who was in large part a cap casualty.
And folks need to lighten up on the Bailey wishin'. If you watched SNF you heard that he had surgery and was simply not the same kicker he was in Cowboy camp. He was a cap casualty-plus...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Bring back Martin. That was the hometown kid who was Zane’s competition in camp right?
I mean honestly, any kicker who doesn’t dwell on his most recent performance is an upgrade.
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So what does it cost a team for a needless loss? There are a lot of variables involved besides even making a playoff spot, from spotrac: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/kicker/null/
2018 Kicker Average Rankings
PLAYERAVERAGE1 
Stephen Gostkowski
KICKER$4,300,000 2 
Graham Gano
KICKER$4,250,000 3 
Justin Tucker
KICKER$4,200,000 4 
Mason Crosby
KICKER$4,025,000 5 
Ryan Succop
KICKER$4,000,000 6 
Chris Boswell
KICKER$3,951,500 7 
Matt Prater
KICKER$3,800,000 8 
Brandon McManus
KICKER$3,751,333 9 
Cody Parkey
KICKER$3,750,000 10 
Adam Vinatieri
KICKER$3,625,000 11 
Matt Bryant
KICKER$3,366,667 12 
Chandler Catanzaro
KICKER$3,250,000 13 
Phil Dawson
KICKER$3,000,000 14 
Steven Hauschka
KICKER$2,950,000 15 
Dustin Hopkins
KICKER$2,483,333 16 
Greg Zuerlein
KICKER$2,250,000 17 
Caleb Sturgis
KICKER$2,225,000 18 
Sebastian Janikowski
KICKER$2,015,000 19 
Robbie Gould
KICKER$2,000,000 20 
Mike Nugent
KICKER$1,015,000 21 
Randy Bullock
KICKER$782,500 22 
Jason Myers
KICKER$705,000 23 
Daniel Carlson
KICKER$677,003 24 
Josh Lambo
KICKER$660,000 25 
Jason Sanders
KICKER$637,800 26
Michael Palardy
KICKER$630,000 27 
Zane Gonzalez
KICKER$622,289 28
Eddy Piniero
KICKER$578,333 29
Kaare Vedvik
KICKER$570,000 30 
Ka'imi Fairbairn
KICKER$541,667 31 
Will Lutz
KICKER$540,000 32 
Brett Maher
KICKER$525,000 33 
Harrison Butker
KICKER$510,000 
Aldrick Rosas
KICKER$510,000 
Jake Elliott
KICKER$510,000 36
Sam Ficken
KICKER$480,000 -
IIRC Blair's miss cost the Vikes a playoff spot... or advancing in the playoffs. Seems like it was Zimmer's 1st year as their HC.
We need to find a good vet who was in large part a cap casualty.
And folks need to lighten up on the Bailey wishin'. If you watched SNF you heard that he had surgery and was simply not the same kicker he was in Cowboy camp. He was a cap casualty-plus...
IIRC Blair's miss cost the Vikes a playoff spot... or advancing in the playoffs. Seems like it was Zimmer's 1st year as their HC.
We need to find a good vet who was in large part a cap casualty.
And folks need to lighten up on the Bailey wishin'. If you watched SNF you heard that he had surgery and was simply not the same kicker he was in Cowboy camp. He was a cap casualty-plus...
Ah yes when an accountant can overrule a coach, it happens a lot.
But a bargain basement kicker can cost you dearly at times.
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@ghoolie said:
Yes, THE KICKER........................... FINALLY................................. FINALLY WE HAVE THE ANSWER.
This is just more demonstration of why Tommy Boy is so ignorant about the game of football.
The kicker IS an important element of the game. It would not surprise me, if, after research, some 20-25% of all football games are decided by field goals and extra points, or those that are missed. Sure, it is the entire game, obviously, and if a team is OH SO good that it never has to rely on the success of its kicking game, that is one thing. But, remember.....like every single one of the Patriots Super Bowl wins were by the margin of a field goal (and maybe their losses too). Where would their dynasty be if Vinatieri had missed those two kicks. What would we think about the Buffalo Bills if Norwood had made that kick. What about that fuycking kick that Karliss missed, yet the refs gave it to him.
Yes, a kicker may be AN answer, if not THE answer. The point is simple, again: many, many games come down to kicking. You are foolish if you minimize the importance of it.
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https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/09/browns_trying_out_kickers_toda.html
Hey has anybody called him Gone Zales yet?
WSS
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10 of the most important makes and misses in football history.
Example: Viking miss out on going to Super Bowl because of Gary Anderson missed 39 yarder in NFC title game, plus some of the ones from above.
Kicking matters.
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https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/09/browns_trying_out_kickers_toda.html
Hey has anybody called him Gone Zales yet?
WSS
https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/09/browns_trying_out_kickers_toda.html
Hey has anybody called him Gone Zales yet?
WSS
Headline in the Beacon Journal today: Going, Going Gonzales.
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