Browns To Name Baker Mayfield Starter Monday
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Just mused on that in a new thread.
He took two "shots" to the helmet: an early forearm from a Jet DB as he slid and front of helmet "bumped" the ground at end of the sack he took on his last play.
Neither looked to me to be concussive and the forearm looked the worse of the two.
Cumulative maybe?
Or...
He honestly looked like a guy who knew his fate and accepted it. All the stuff that made TT good went down the tube here in Cleveland (accuracy, low turnovers/sacks, etc). My best guess is having the #1 pick breathing down your neck was pressure the guy wasn't used to and it got to him. I think after that last hit though he realized he might as well slide into the reality.
TT is a strong back-up, and I'm still very glad he's on the roster. I think if needed and without the pressure he could come in and be the Tyrod that led Buffalo. Hopefully TT can appreciate being a back-up because I'd be happy with him as #2 compared to about any other team in the NFL. He's about to be 30 after this year so I strongly doubt someone will bring the guy in for a starting competition. I suppose we shall see though.
He honestly looked like a guy who knew his fate and accepted it. All the stuff that made TT good went down the tube here in Cleveland (accuracy, low turnovers/sacks, etc). My best guess is having the #1 pick breathing down your neck was pressure the guy wasn't used to and it got to him. I think after that last hit though he realized he might as well slide into the reality.
TT is a strong back-up, and I'm still very glad he's on the roster. I think if needed and without the pressure he could come in and be the Tyrod that led Buffalo. Hopefully TT can appreciate being a back-up because I'd be happy with him as #2 compared to about any other team in the NFL. He's about to be 30 after this year so I strongly doubt someone will bring the guy in for a starting competition. I suppose we shall see though.
TT is no dummy. I agree with your take that he saw Baker's abilities & growth & folded under the pressure.
We'll see what happens, but with injuries, Dorsey may well get some calls regarding TT's availability.
Mike
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Baker & Tyrod differences:
Baker will see the covered receiver and decide if and where he could put the ball so that his receiver could adjust to it and make the catch. - Tyrod would not try that.
Baker will leave the pocket and keep looking downfield expecting a receiver to dart to an open spot for the pass. Tyrod will leave the pocket and look for a lane to run in.
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On Tyrod's long pass attempt to Callaway against the Jets, he underthrew the ball...and he raised his hands a bit to show that he thought Callaway should have made an attempt to go for the ball instead of awaiting it to fall in his breadbasket. And he was right. I mean, Baker's gonna underthrow passes now and then, ya think? Callaway's a rookie, but he still had to know that there was a defender running with him...and he saw that the ball was underthrown....... Like Haley yelled at Coleman in TC, "Ya gotta go fight for that ball". - Perhaps Callaway learned somethin' there.
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Just mused on that in a new thread.
He took two "shots" to the helmet: an early forearm from a Jet DB as he slid and front of helmet "bumped" the ground at end of the sack he took on his last play.
Neither looked to me to be concussive and the forearm looked the worse of the two.
Cumulative maybe?
Or...
He honestly looked like a guy who knew his fate and accepted it. All the stuff that made TT good went down the tube here in Cleveland (accuracy, low turnovers/sacks, etc). My best guess is having the #1 pick breathing down your neck was pressure the guy wasn't used to and it got to him. I think after that last hit though he realized he might as well slide into the reality.
TT is a strong back-up, and I'm still very glad he's on the roster. I think if needed and without the pressure he could come in and be the Tyrod that led Buffalo. Hopefully TT can appreciate being a back-up because I'd be happy with him as #2 compared to about any other team in the NFL. He's about to be 30 after this year so I strongly doubt someone will bring the guy in for a starting competition. I suppose we shall see though.
He honestly looked like a guy who knew his fate and accepted it. All the stuff that made TT good went down the tube here in Cleveland (accuracy, low turnovers/sacks, etc). My best guess is having the #1 pick breathing down your neck was pressure the guy wasn't used to and it got to him. I think after that last hit though he realized he might as well slide into the reality.
TT is a strong back-up, and I'm still very glad he's on the roster. I think if needed and without the pressure he could come in and be the Tyrod that led Buffalo. Hopefully TT can appreciate being a back-up because I'd be happy with him as #2 compared to about any other team in the NFL. He's about to be 30 after this year so I strongly doubt someone will bring the guy in for a starting competition. I suppose we shall see though.
Nah, Tyrod was trying- but not doing very well at all.
It was his final play and (was it) the play before? Two plays.
It was questioned if TyRod took a dive. - The guy came to work before the janitors...and stayed late. He wants to play. He HAD to know that once Baker entered the game, the possibility existed that he would never come out. - And so now, it is written in stone.
There's been chatter of us trading Tyrod to SanFran. I cannot picture SF looking in Tyrod's direction at all....unless they figure they're gonna pack it in, get a high draft pick, and wait for Jimmy next year.
This is why they're trying SOOoo hard to protect the QB's. SanFran is pretty much Phucked now. And look what Baker did for our team. If that's anything close to Baker's actual level of play then, look what would happen to us if he got hurt. We'd be the 0-15-1 looking Browns under Tyrod.
They've taken "protecting the QB" to an absurd level. I still don't think the rules guys have any clue how a defensive player going full bore can avoid a penalty if he so much as touches a QB. Jimmy- and Wentz before him got sidelined on hits that I really thought were minor.
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He honestly looked like a guy who knew his fate and accepted it. All the stuff that made TT good went down the tube here in Cleveland (accuracy, low turnovers/sacks, etc). My best guess is having the #1 pick breathing down your neck was pressure the guy wasn't used to and it got to him. I think after that last hit though he realized he might as well slide into the reality.
TT is a strong back-up, and I'm still very glad he's on the roster. I think if needed and without the pressure he could come in and be the Tyrod that led Buffalo. Hopefully TT can appreciate being a back-up because I'd be happy with him as #2 compared to about any other team in the NFL. He's about to be 30 after this year so I strongly doubt someone will bring the guy in for a starting competition. I suppose we shall see though.
Nah, Tyrod was trying- but not doing very well at all.
It was his final play and (was it) the play before? Two plays.
It was questioned if TyRod took a dive. - The guy came to work before the janitors...and stayed late. He wants to play. He HAD to know that once Baker entered the game, the possibility existed that he would never come out. - And so now, it is written in stone.
There's been chatter of us trading Tyrod to SanFran. I cannot picture SF looking in Tyrod's direction at all....unless they figure they're gonna pack it in, get a high draft pick, and wait for Jimmy next year.
This is why they're trying SOOoo hard to protect the QB's. SanFran is pretty much Phucked now. And look what Baker did for our team. If that's anything close to Baker's actual level of play then, look what would happen to us if he got hurt. We'd be the 0-15-1 looking Browns under Tyrod.
They've taken "protecting the QB" to an absurd level. I still don't think the rules guys have any clue how a defensive player going full bore can avoid a penalty if he so much as touches a QB. Jimmy- and Wentz before him got sidelined on hits that I really thought were minor.
Nah, Tyrod was trying- but not doing very well at all.
They've taken "protecting the QB" to an absurd level. I still don't think the rules guys have any clue how a defensive player going full bore can avoid a penalty if he so much as touches a QB. Jimmy- and Wentz before him got sidelined on hits that I really thought were minor.
Garrapolo blew out his knee before he was even hit...
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Baker & Tyrod differences:
Baker will see the covered receiver and decide if and where he could put the ball so that his receiver could adjust to it and make the catch. - Tyrod would not try that.
Baker will leave the pocket and keep looking downfield expecting a receiver to dart to an open spot for the pass. Tyrod will leave the pocket and look for a lane to run in.
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On Tyrod's long pass attempt to Callaway against the Jets, he underthrew the ball...and he raised his hands a bit to show that he thought Callaway should have made an attempt to go for the ball instead of awaiting it to fall in his breadbasket. And he was right. I mean, Baker's gonna underthrow passes now and then, ya think? Callaway's a rookie, but he still had to know that there was a defender running with him...and he saw that the ball was underthrown....... Like Haley yelled at Coleman in TC, "Ya gotta go fight for that ball". - Perhaps Callaway learned somethin' there.
Baker & Tyrod differences:
Baker will see the covered receiver and decide if and where he could put the ball so that his receiver could adjust to it and make the catch. - Tyrod would not try that.
Baker will leave the pocket and keep looking downfield expecting a receiver to dart to an open spot for the pass. Tyrod will leave the pocket and look for a lane to run in.
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On Tyrod's long pass attempt to Callaway against the Jets, he underthrew the ball...and he raised his hands a bit to show that he thought Callaway should have made an attempt to go for the ball instead of awaiting it to fall in his breadbasket. And he was right. I mean, Baker's gonna underthrow passes now and then, ya think? Callaway's a rookie, but he still had to know that there was a defender running with him...and he saw that the ball was underthrown....... Like Haley yelled at Coleman in TC, "Ya gotta go fight for that ball". - Perhaps Callaway learned somethin' there.
Not what I saw , the long ball to Callaway was grossly underthrown he had defender beat by 5 yards at full speed T Rod just doesn’t have the arm to make that play
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enough tape for Hue & me?
guys are open..read pre-snap than grip it & rip it..Ball to Callaway was so badly thrown,ref would not give up a gift flag..(cuz were the browns)
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VERY tough not to get totally excited, lol. One thing I hope Baker learns from last week is better ball security. His fumble could've cost us the game, and there was another play where he didn't have the rock secured and I'm sure the coaches will be providing some inspirational advice during film, lol. Go Baker!
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Baker & Tyrod differences:
Baker will see the covered receiver and decide if and where he could put the ball so that his receiver could adjust to it and make the catch. - Tyrod would not try that.
Baker will leave the pocket and keep looking downfield expecting a receiver to dart to an open spot for the pass. Tyrod will leave the pocket and look for a lane to run in.
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On Tyrod's long pass attempt to Callaway against the Jets, he underthrew the ball...and he raised his hands a bit to show that he thought Callaway should have made an attempt to go for the ball instead of awaiting it to fall in his breadbasket. And he was right. I mean, Baker's gonna underthrow passes now and then, ya think? Callaway's a rookie, but he still had to know that there was a defender running with him...and he saw that the ball was underthrown....... Like Haley yelled at Coleman in TC, "Ya gotta go fight for that ball". - Perhaps Callaway learned somethin' there.
Not what I saw , the long ball to Callaway was grossly underthrown he had defender beat by 5 yards at full speed T Rod just doesn’t have the arm to make that play
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I don't see anyone questioning TT's effort and dedication. I certainly am not. He simply looked done to me... looked resigned to the fact that his time was up.
That said... as for being dedicated to "the Browns". The team was irrelevant. Whomever he was starting for this season, he was going to give them his all. It was likely his last starting shot unless he earned another starting shot with his play in this, his contract year.
Personally I do not think there was any chance that he would be starting in CLE in 2019. He was our 2018 version of the 2017 Alex Smith, place-holding for a rookie. The difference being he won't be under contract to trade after the season.
For that reason I would seriously consider trading him now and going with Stanton and a rookie, e.g, our 4th QB from HK (name escapes me). Problem is I do not think the demand for him is very high... even if we eat a good chunk of his contract.
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Agree, trade T Rod for a pick because it’s more than you’ll get after the season when he walks out as a free agent
Agree, trade T Rod for a pick because it’s more than you’ll get after the season when he walks out as a free agent
Seems like he has more worth than Drew Stanton at this point at least as a backup. I'm so happy to say seems like a good guy but not like a mentor. That's why I noticed Buffalo's desire to send him packing.
WSS
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enough tape for Hue & me?
guys are open..read pre-snap than grip it & rip it..Ball to Callaway was so badly thrown,ref would not give up a gift flag..(cuz were the browns)
enough tape for Hue & me?
guys are open..read pre-snap than grip it & rip it..Ball to Callaway was so badly thrown,ref would not give up a gift flag..(cuz were the browns)
Thanks, that video confirmed what I saw at the game. Tyrod missed seeing guys who were wide open, and when he did get the pass off, he was either short or off target most of the time.
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Black Tarkenton should sue.?
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
enough tape for Hue & me?
guys are open..read pre-snap than grip it & rip it..Ball to Callaway was so badly thrown,ref would not give up a gift flag..(cuz were the browns)
Thanks, that video confirmed what I saw at the game. Tyrod missed seeing guys who were wide open, and when he did get the pass off, he was either short or off target most of the time.
Thanks, that video confirmed what I saw at the game. Tyrod missed seeing guys who were wide open, and when he did get the pass off, he was either short or off target most of the time.
Larry.. I saw the same damn thing you did.. It was annoying.. I think Sam nailed it in the breakdown.. The telling thing for me about Baker , were his hitch steps.. His footwork is nearly flawless..... I harken back to what Hue said in his Presser.. "He's still an unfinished product"... If He's making these kinds of split second reads now... It's SCARY fun to think what this kids eyes and instincts will become...
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Black Tarkenton should sue.?
Black Tarkenton should sue.?
And anyone who thinks that comparing someone to Tarkenton is disparaging, I bring you this: These are like the 12 MOST productive players in NFL history since like 1960:
ank Player AV Years Tm 1 Peyton Manning 271 1998-2015 2TM 2 Tom Brady 255 2000-2018 nwe Brett Favre+ 255 1991-2010 4TM 4 Jerry Rice+ 250 1985-2004 3TM 5 Drew Brees 239 2001-2018 2TM 6 Fran Tarkenton+ 236 1961-1978 2TM 7 Reggie White+ 226 1985-2000 3TM 8 Bruce Smith+ 223 1985-2003 2TM 9 Ray Lewis+ 221 1996-2012 rav 10 Dan Marino+ 216 1983-1999 mia 11 Bruce Matthews+ 210 1983-2001 oti 12 John Elway+ 203 1983-1998 den 13 Derrick Brooks+ 191 1995-2008 ta #6 ALL TIME of course is you know who
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Great new
of Baker Mayfield. Kollman is a pretty good watchThe more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
**My prediction for this Sunday**
Browns- 28
Raiders- 24
Raiders come out and take a 14-0 lead,
Mayfield throws a pick, and loses a fumble in the first half, but a Carlos Hyde TD before halftime brings the score to 14-7Baker comes out firing 3 TDs in the second half, finishes the day 23/37 passing, 298 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT
Landry catches Baker's first career TD pass, Duke and Njoku catch the others in the red zone. Callaway has one reception for at least 40 yards..
Of course this is my prediction, but I think that's how it plays out.
Oakland comes out swinging, Baker struggles a little, but turns it on once the team makes adjustments at halftime.
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Go vote for Baker!!!!
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