After 3 games, the Good, Bad, and Ugly
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So the majority of the ugly is on Tyrod and Zane. Guess that’s why they both won’t play anymore.
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By the numbers... it's pretty clear where improvements are needed. See for yourself...
THE GOOD (Top 12)
-Offense
Rush Yards/game 134.3 (5th)
Rush TDs/game 1.7 (4th)
Rush 1st downs/game 7.7 (5th)
Red zone TD% 71.4% (7th)
4th Qtr Pts/game 9 0 (8th)
2nd half Pts/game 17.0 (3rd)
-Defense
Scoring D 19.7 pts/game (11th)
Pts/play. 289 (8th)
Yds/play 5.0 (6th)
QB Comp% 61.68% (8th)
Pass yds/game 229 (12th)
Punts/play 0.09 (T-4th)
1st half pts allowed/game 8.0 (8th)
-Overall
Turnover margin +9 (1st)
Penalties/game 6.7 (11th)
Penalty yds/game 57.0 (12th)
THE BAD (17th to 24th)
-Offense
Pts/game 20.0 (20th)
Yds/game 325.7 (22nd)
TOP avg 29:56 (17th)
-Defense
Redzone TD% 60% (17th)
4th qtr pts/game 7.0 (18th)
2nd half pts/game 11.7 (21st)
THE UGLY (25th to 32nd)
-Offense
Pts/play .274 (26th)
Yds/play 4.5 (29th)
1st half pts/game 3.0 (32nd)
3rd down conv rate 33.33% (26th)
QB Comp% 54.21% (31st)
Pass yds/game 191.3 (28th)
Pass yds/attempt 5.4 (27th)
Sacks allowed/game 4.7 (32nd)
Team passer rating 71.5 (29th)
-Special Teams
Xtra pt % 66.67% (32nd)
FG% 57.14% (29th)
Net yds/punt 35.6 (29th)
MIDDLE (13th to 16th)
Rush Yds/carry 14th 4.1
D Yds/game 13th 338.3
Scoring margin 15th +1
By the numbers... it's pretty clear where improvements are needed. See for yourself...
THE GOOD (Top 12)
-Offense
Rush Yards/game 134.3 (5th)
Rush TDs/game 1.7 (4th)
Rush 1st downs/game 7.7 (5th)
Red zone TD% 71.4% (7th)
4th Qtr Pts/game 9 0 (8th)
2nd half Pts/game 17.0 (3rd)
-Defense
Scoring D 19.7 pts/game (11th)
Pts/play. 289 (8th)
Yds/play 5.0 (6th)
QB Comp% 61.68% (8th)
Pass yds/game 229 (12th)
Punts/play 0.09 (T-4th)
1st half pts allowed/game 8.0 (8th)
-Overall
Turnover margin +9 (1st)
Penalties/game 6.7 (11th)
Penalty yds/game 57.0 (12th)
THE BAD (17th to 24th)
-Offense
Pts/game 20.0 (20th)
Yds/game 325.7 (22nd)
TOP avg 29:56 (17th)
-Defense
Redzone TD% 60% (17th)
4th qtr pts/game 7.0 (18th)
2nd half pts/game 11.7 (21st)
THE UGLY (25th to 32nd)
-Offense
Pts/play .274 (26th)
Yds/play 4.5 (29th)
1st half pts/game 3.0 (32nd)
3rd down conv rate 33.33% (26th)
QB Comp% 54.21% (31st)
Pass yds/game 191.3 (28th)
Pass yds/attempt 5.4 (27th)
Sacks allowed/game 4.7 (32nd)
Team passer rating 71.5 (29th)
-Special Teams
Xtra pt % 66.67% (32nd)
FG% 57.14% (29th)
Net yds/punt 35.6 (29th)
MIDDLE (13th to 16th)
Rush Yds/carry 14th 4.1
D Yds/game 13th 338.3
Scoring margin 15th +1
Please post those same numbers in a month. That should be interesting.
Mike
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So the majority of the ugly is on Tyrod and Zane. Guess that’s why they both won’t play anymore.
So the majority of the ugly is on Tyrod and Zane. Guess that’s why they both won’t play anymore.
Sounds about right.
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what's amazing, is how the squealer and saint offenses went wild after being crunched by the Cleveland defense.
The Browns' defense ROCKS.
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what's amazing, is how the squealer and saint offenses went wild after being crunched by the Cleveland defense.
The Browns' defense ROCKS.
what's amazing, is how the squealer and saint offenses went wild after being crunched by the Cleveland defense.
The Browns' defense ROCKS.
not a small amount of truth to this, the saints went off the week before and the week after...more than double the points.
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The one that matters the most...............................turnovers +9 (1st). That defines our D in a nutshell.
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what's amazing, is how the squealer and saint offenses went wild after being crunched by the Cleveland defense.
The Browns' defense ROCKS.
what's amazing, is how the squealer and saint offenses went wild after being crunched by the Cleveland defense.
The Browns' defense ROCKS.
Ya know, I'm not sure I totally thought this through just yet. So let's look at the Saints and the Steelers offensive outputs during the games not played against the Browns. Steelers averaging around 34 points, Saints are at 40! WTF. When they played us? Try 20.
The Steelers game could've been a fluke. After all, that rain was filthy. But the Saints game was IN New Orleans, and they're scoring points in a crazy way. Each week is a new test, each game coming with its own challenges. This week? Challenges all over the place. From the crappy dirt and grass field, to the insanity of the Raiders' crowd, to the arm talent of Derek Carr. When I see the Oakland Raiders, I don't see a winless team at all. I see a talented team that didn't close the deal.
You know what has also happened this year? We got some luck! Drew Brees missed two touchdown throws. When's he ever done THAT? LOL. We've recovered every fumble, somehow, and any one of them likely could've taken that victory from us. Turnovers come in bunches, and I just hope we keep forcing them. Perhaps my single biggest frustration with our offense was scoring 10 points off the NINE FREAKING TURNOVERS our defense caused. To hammer this point home, we forced 13 ALL of last year.
10 points. And SEVEN of those came after a drive that started at the 1 yard line when Jabril Peppers returned a fumble and tried to lose the ball through the end zone for a touchback, but failed. So without those 7 points, we have (get ready).....THREE POINTS off of 8 turnovers!! AAAAAHHHHHHHHH!
Whew, ok...I feel better. Sorry about that.
Anyway, back to my point. I think Baker has the ability to make teams pay. Maybe not right away, because I know he's young, but he'll make teams pay for turning it over, and Tyrod simply couldn't. I can't help but think what happens if Baker has a chance to throw to an open Callaway down the field. What happens if Baker has 6 turnovers gifted to him by the Steelers. What happens when Baker gets 4 quarters against an NFL defense, one that doesn't have a good pass rush?
Oh wait, that we'll actually GET to see. SOON.
MUST....CONTAIN....EXCITEMENT.... BUT.... CAN'T.
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So the majority of the ugly is on Tyrod and Zane. Guess that’s why they both won’t play anymore.
So the majority of the ugly is on Tyrod and Zane. Guess that’s why they both won’t play anymore.
QB play, slow starts, and very poor STs. If these 3 are improved, which hopefully Baker (and our new K) can accomplish, then we should see far more Ws than we have been accustomed to seeing.
Hopefully will also help with TOP, which will help the 2nd half D.
Surprisingly, doing ok with penalties and scoring in the red zone.
Getting Ogbah and Kirksey back should really help, and hopefully help our red zone D - which really needs to tighten up...
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I still can't believe that the bulk of you thought Black Tarkenton #3 would be anything but total schidt for us. That guy was never worth a good schidt.
I still can't believe that the bulk of you thought Black Tarkenton #3 would be anything but total schidt for us. That guy was never worth a good schidt.
Or even worth a cabbage fart...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Or even worth a cabbage fart...
It is amazing Mah Nikka, There is about 400,000 pounds of bullschidt posts blasting me for calling Tyrod just another run-first, Black Tarkenton who not only would stink, but would get hurt early on because his run-first dullard of a brain would have him getting hit when he should have thrown the ball. This guy was so obvious total crap that I swear to you I believed the only reason he got support on TBB is because the guys were running a parody. You called ryor getting hurt by week 4, I believe. THe dumb bastard didn't even get that far.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
Or even worth a cabbage fart...
It is amazing Mah Nikka, There is about 400,000 pounds of bullschidt posts blasting me for calling Tyrod just another run-first, Black Tarkenton who not only would stink, but would get hurt early on because his run-first dullard of a brain would have him getting hit when he should have thrown the ball. This guy was so obvious total crap that I swear to you I believed the only reason he got support on TBB is because the guys were running a parody. You called ryor getting hurt by week 4, I believe. THe dumb bastard didn't even get that far.
It is amazing Mah Nikka, There is about 400,000 pounds of bullschidt posts blasting me for calling Tyrod just another run-first, Black Tarkenton who not only would stink, but would get hurt early on because his run-first dullard of a brain would have him getting hit when he should have thrown the ball. This guy was so obvious total crap that I swear to you I believed the only reason he got support on TBB is because the guys were running a parody. You called ryor getting hurt by week 4, I believe. THe dumb bastard didn't even get that far.
Yup... In buffalo he had a bit of luck.. But then many forget he got pulled for schidt performances.. I have said it.. you have said it,, Rich has said it.. "It's the QB " "It's always the muthaphuckin QB".. "Teams go as they're QB goes"... U gotta no QB?.. U gotta no wins.. its dat fukken simple.. He got hurt by week 3.. I think We both said/agreed , it or he , would go no further than 4 games.. This didnt require Kreskin like abilities to know this was gonna happen.... It's what the little dung beetle is.. I say Dung Beetle because thats what the little mudda fukkah looks like with the pig skin , running around back there.... I remember when we traded for him.. My heart just sank... This kid Baker comes in there.. No reps with the 1's and transmogrified this team into a professional looking team the instant he stepped onto the field.. The whole envionment changed.. The lineman guarded, protected and pulled when needed.. Baker called plays.. audibled.. and led them to victory... I haven't had this much fun since Kosar was slingin the rock...
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So the majority of the ugly is on Tyrod and Zane. Guess that’s why they both won’t play anymore.
QB play, slow starts, and very poor STs. If these 3 are improved, which hopefully Baker (and our new K) can accomplish, then we should see far more Ws than we have been accustomed to seeing.
Hopefully will also help with TOP, which will help the 2nd half D.
Surprisingly, doing ok with penalties and scoring in the red zone.
Getting Ogbah and Kirksey back should really help, and hopefully help our red zone D - which really needs to tighten up...
QB play, slow starts, and very poor STs. If these 3 are improved, which hopefully Baker (and our new K) can accomplish, then we should see far more Ws than we have been accustomed to seeing.
Hopefully will also help with TOP, which will help the 2nd half D.
Surprisingly, doing ok with penalties and scoring in the red zone.
Getting Ogbah and Kirksey back should really help, and hopefully help our red zone D - which really needs to tighten up...
The slow starts are GOING to get us killed soon. We've been lucky enough to contain the opposition, somewhat, in the first half, but in 2 of the 3 games we've had our defense on the field WAY too much. In the Saints game, we actually played with a lead. That didn't go well, and a large part of the blame does go to Tyrod. If you're playing a potential playoff team on the road, and you have a lead with 5 minutes to go WITH the ball, you simply MUST be able to drain the clock down and seal the victory. You can't leave it up to the defense EVERY time. We had a two point lead, 5 minutes to go, and Tyrod didn't just fail to milk the clock, he threw a freaking PICK.
You know what I'd do if I was Todd Haley? I'd START the game with Baker in the hurry-up offense. I really believe that Baker coming into the game with 1:45 until half time helped him tremendously. No time to think, just play. Many people may believe it's insanity to ask a rookie to start off running the no-huddle offense from the get-go, in his first road start, and normally I'd agree. But I'm not sure Baker is a normal rookie. It might help him find his groove, much like it did last week. We shall see!
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QB play, slow starts, and very poor STs. If these 3 are improved, which hopefully Baker (and our new K) can accomplish, then we should see far more Ws than we have been accustomed to seeing.
Hopefully will also help with TOP, which will help the 2nd half D.
Surprisingly, doing ok with penalties and scoring in the red zone.
Getting Ogbah and Kirksey back should really help, and hopefully help our red zone D - which really needs to tighten up...
The slow starts are GOING to get us killed soon. We've been lucky enough to contain the opposition, somewhat, in the first half, but in 2 of the 3 games we've had our defense on the field WAY too much. In the Saints game, we actually played with a lead. That didn't go well, and a large part of the blame does go to Tyrod. If you're playing a potential playoff team on the road, and you have a lead with 5 minutes to go WITH the ball, you simply MUST be able to drain the clock down and seal the victory. You can't leave it up to the defense EVERY time. We had a two point lead, 5 minutes to go, and Tyrod didn't just fail to milk the clock, he threw a freaking PICK.
You know what I'd do if I was Todd Haley? I'd START the game with Baker in the hurry-up offense. I really believe that Baker coming into the game with 1:45 until half time helped him tremendously. No time to think, just play. Many people may believe it's insanity to ask a rookie to start off running the no-huddle offense from the get-go, in his first road start, and normally I'd agree. But I'm not sure Baker is a normal rookie. It might help him find his groove, much like it did last week. We shall see!
The slow starts are GOING to get us killed soon. We've been lucky enough to contain the opposition, somewhat, in the first half, but in 2 of the 3 games we've had our defense on the field WAY too much. In the Saints game, we actually played with a lead. That didn't go well, and a large part of the blame does go to Tyrod. If you're playing a potential playoff team on the road, and you have a lead with 5 minutes to go WITH the ball, you simply MUST be able to drain the clock down and seal the victory. You can't leave it up to the defense EVERY time. We had a two point lead, 5 minutes to go, and Tyrod didn't just fail to milk the clock, he threw a freaking PICK.
You know what I'd do if I was Todd Haley? I'd START the game with Baker in the hurry-up offense. I really believe that Baker coming into the game with 1:45 until half time helped him tremendously. No time to think, just play. Many people may believe it's insanity to ask a rookie to start off running the no-huddle offense from the get-go, in his first road start, and normally I'd agree. But I'm not sure Baker is a normal rookie. It might help him find his groove, much like it did last week. We shall see!
I like the hurry up defense. It could set a nice tone. Let them receive, a quick three and out with our fresh D and a long drive not letting them think.
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You schtealing my schtick?
No.. as far as I know... There are no copyrights to that particular quote.. So I'm not worried about any infringements
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
QB play, slow starts, and very poor STs. If these 3 are improved, which hopefully Baker (and our new K) can accomplish, then we should see far more Ws than we have been accustomed to seeing.
Hopefully will also help with TOP, which will help the 2nd half D.
Surprisingly, doing ok with penalties and scoring in the red zone.
Getting Ogbah and Kirksey back should really help, and hopefully help our red zone D - which really needs to tighten up...
The slow starts are GOING to get us killed soon. We've been lucky enough to contain the opposition, somewhat, in the first half, but in 2 of the 3 games we've had our defense on the field WAY too much. In the Saints game, we actually played with a lead. That didn't go well, and a large part of the blame does go to Tyrod. If you're playing a potential playoff team on the road, and you have a lead with 5 minutes to go WITH the ball, you simply MUST be able to drain the clock down and seal the victory. You can't leave it up to the defense EVERY time. We had a two point lead, 5 minutes to go, and Tyrod didn't just fail to milk the clock, he threw a freaking PICK.
You know what I'd do if I was Todd Haley? I'd START the game with Baker in the hurry-up offense. I really believe that Baker coming into the game with 1:45 until half time helped him tremendously. No time to think, just play. Many people may believe it's insanity to ask a rookie to start off running the no-huddle offense from the get-go, in his first road start, and normally I'd agree. But I'm not sure Baker is a normal rookie. It might help him find his groove, much like it did last week. We shall see!
The slow starts are GOING to get us killed soon. We've been lucky enough to contain the opposition, somewhat, in the first half, but in 2 of the 3 games we've had our defense on the field WAY too much. In the Saints game, we actually played with a lead. That didn't go well, and a large part of the blame does go to Tyrod. If you're playing a potential playoff team on the road, and you have a lead with 5 minutes to go WITH the ball, you simply MUST be able to drain the clock down and seal the victory. You can't leave it up to the defense EVERY time. We had a two point lead, 5 minutes to go, and Tyrod didn't just fail to milk the clock, he threw a freaking PICK.
You know what I'd do if I was Todd Haley? I'd START the game with Baker in the hurry-up offense. I really believe that Baker coming into the game with 1:45 until half time helped him tremendously. No time to think, just play. Many people may believe it's insanity to ask a rookie to start off running the no-huddle offense from the get-go, in his first road start, and normally I'd agree. But I'm not sure Baker is a normal rookie. It might help him find his groove, much like it did last week. We shall see!
Worrying about the D's time on the field, but want the hurry-up O? Bit of an incongruity there...
I don't expect a slow start starting this week.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
You schtealing my schtick?
No.. as far as I know... There are no copyrights to that particular quote.. So I'm not worried about any infringements
No.. as far as I know... There are no copyrights to that particular quote.. So I'm not worried about any infringements
Do you know where it comes from?
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Do you know where it comes from?
I remember it said in a movie.. I just can't remember what movie it was from.. It sounds like something Walter Matthau would say..
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